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Post by zone on Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:52 pm

2. The strong connection with Neo-Conservative thought in the USA is very prominent, especially in the author's notes. But, while lip service is paid to the idea of the "defense of the West" from Soviet power, the real aim of the author, and of the present Israeli establishment is clear: To make an Imperial Israel into a world power. In other words, the aim of Sharon is to deceive the Americans after he has deceived all the rest.


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The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel - Jack Bernstein

Post by zone on Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:27 pm

The Life of an American Jew
in Racist Marxist Israel
Written in 1985 by Jack Bernstein


A CHALLENGE
THE CONTENTS OF THIS BOOK ARE EXPECTED TO BRING A STRONG REACTION FROM THE ZIONIST JEWS.

I am well aware of the tactics of you, my Zionist brethren, use to quiet anyone who attempts to expose any of your subversive acts.

If the person is a Gentile, you cry, "You're anti-semitic" which is nothing more than a smokescreen to hide your actions.


But, if a Jew is the person doing the exposing, you resort to other tactics.


First, you ignore the charges, hoping the information will not be given widespread distribution.
If the information starts reaching too many people, you ridicule the information and the persons giving the information.
If that doesn't work, your next step is character assassination. If the author or speaker hasn't been involved in sufficient scandal you are adept at fabricating scandal against the person or persons.
If none of these are effective, you are known to resort to physical attacks.
But, NEVER do you try to prove the information wrong.


So, before you start your efforts to quiet me, I OFFER THIS CHALLENGE:

You Zionists assemble a number of Zionist Jews and witnesses to support your position; and I will assemble a like number of anti-Zionist, pro-American Jews and witnesses.

Then, the Zionists and the Anti-Zionists will state their position and debate the material in this book as well as related material — the debate TO BE HELD ON PUBLIC TELEVISION.


Let's explore the information and let the American people decide for themselves if the information is true or false.


ISN'T THAT A FAIR CHALLENGE?


Certainly, you will willingly accept the challenge if what I have written is false.


But, if you resort to crying, "Lies, all lies," and refuse to debate the material you will, in effect, be telling the American people that what I have written are the true facts.


Jack Bernstein


(This honest and courageous Jew was assassinated some years ago, by MOSSAD).


My Farewell to Israel, Thorn of the Middle East

By Jack Bernstein
Before Israel became a state in 1948, Jews worldwide were filled with Zionist propaganda that Israel would be a homeland for all Jews, a refuge for persecuted Jews, a democratic country and the fulfillment of biblical prophecy.


I am an Ashkenazi Jew who spent the first 25 years of my life in the United States, the country that has given ALL Jews freedom and the opportunity to prosper — and prosper we Jews did, to the point that one portion of the Jews (the Zionists) have gained a position of political and economic dominance in the U.S.


To fully understand the story I am about to tell, it is important that you understand what Zionism really is. Zionist propaganda has led the American people to believe that Zionism and Judaism are one and the same and that they are religious in nature. This is a blatant lie.


Judaism is a religion; but Zionism is a political movement started mainly by East European (Ashkenazi) Jews who for centuries have been the main force behind communism/socialism. The ultimate goal of the Zionists is one ONE-WORLD GOVERMENT UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE ZIONISTS AND THE ZIONIST-ORIENTED JEWISH INTERNATIONAL BANKERS.


Communism/socialism are merely tools to help them accomplish their goal.





I was a Victim of Zionist Propaganda
After the 1967 War, we Jews were filled with pride that 'our homeland' had become so powerful and successful. Then too, we had been filled with the false propaganda that Jews in America were being persecuted. So, between 1967 and 1970 approximately 50.000 American Jews fell for this Zionist propaganda and migrated to Israel. I was one of those suckers.


After being filled with all this false Zionist propaganda, I felt that I would have a better chance to succeed in the new Jewish state. There was an added enticement, the spirit and challenge of pioneering and of helping my fellow Jews.





Dual Citizenship
I had no emotional conflict with leaving the U.S. because I was still able to keep my U.S. citizenship and could return to the U.S. at any time. You see, Jews are allowed to be citizens of both Israel and some countries — U.S. is one of those countries. The U.S. government allows a Jew to be a citizen of both U.S. and Israel.


German Americans cannot be citizens of both the U.S. and Germany. Italian Americans cannot be citizen of both U.S. and Italy. Egyptian-Americans cannot be citizens of both the U.S. and Egypt . . . BUT, a Jewish American can be a citizen of both Israel and the U.S. THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE POWER THE ZIONIST JEWS HAVE OVER THE U.S. GOVERMENT.




I Arrive in the "Jewish Paradise"
Before leaving for Israel, a Jewish friend of mine had made arrangements for me to stay a few days with her sister, Fawzia Daboul and her spinster aunt. After arriving at Lod Airport just outside of Tel Aviv, I took a bus to the home of Miss Daboul and her aunt. When I saw Fawzia, it was love at first sight. I started calling her 'Ziva,' her Hebrew name. Ziva is a Sephardic Jewess from Iraq who, like myself, had fallen for the Zionist propaganda and had migrated to Israel. She was employed as a hairdresser.





The Kibbutz
After visiting with Ziva and her aunt for two days, I left to spend 6 months at Kibbutz 'Ein Hashofet' one of the well over 150 such communes then operating in Israel. Since then, many more have been started — especially in the territory taken from the Palestinian Arabs. A kibbutz is a farming and sometimes industrial venture. It is important to explain that Israel's Kibbutz system is a Marxist idea brought to Israel by the Ashkenazi Jews who migrated to Israel mainly from Poland and Russia. These Jews are part of that bunch of Jews know as the BOLSHEVIKS. Before 1917, they were the force that laid the foundation for the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917 in Russia and the start of Communism.


Again, I want to point out, even emphasize, that it is some of that same bunch of Ashkenazi, Communist/Socialist Jews who migrated to Israel, gained control of the Zionist Movement and have dominated the government of Israel since its beginning in 1948.


Now, back to the kibbutz —


Prior to 1967, most of the work on the Kibbutz was done by Jews. But, since the 1967 War, the work has been done by Arabs who are paid a very low wage, and by volunteers from overseas. Members of the Kibbutz (all Jews) share all things equally. They receive clothing, food and a small allowance. All profits from the venture go into the Kibbutz account for future use. EACH OF THESE KIBBUTZ ARE AFFILIATED WITH ONE OF ISRAEL'S MARXIST PARTIES ranging from SOCIALIST TO HARD-CORE COMMUNIST.

The Kibbutz I was in was not hardcore communist. Yet, I was happy to leave after 4 months — two months earlier than originally planned. During the time I was working in the Kibbutz, I carried on courtship with Ziva. She was one of the reasons I left the Kibbutz after only 4 months — we were to be married.





Our Marriage Created Problems
The marriage ceremony was held in the Sephardic Synagogue. The ceremony was simple but beautiful. Ziva and I were happy, but our marriage created serious problems. You see, Ziva is a Sephardic Jewess and I am an Ashkenazi Jew. For an Ashkenazi Jew to marry a Sephardic Jew is frowned upon in Israel by the ruling Ashkenazis. To understand why this is the case, you must realize the difference between the Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews.


The powerful Zionist propaganda machine has led the American people to believe that a Jew is a Jew — one race of people and that they are "God's Chosen People". I will deal with the "God's Chosen People" LIE later. First, it is important for you to understand that Jews are NOT one race of people.


There are two distinct groups of Jews in the world and they come from two different areas of the world — the Sephardic Jews from the Middle East and North Africa and the Ashkenazi Jews come from Eastern Europe. The Sephardic is the oldest group and it is they, if any, who are the Jews described in the Bible because they lived in the area described in the Bible. They are blood relatives to the Arabs — the only difference between them is the religion.


The Ashkenazi Jews, who now compromise 90% of the Jews in the world, had a rather strange beginning. According to historians, many of them Jewish, the Ashkenazi Jews came into existence about 1,200 years ago. It happened this way:


At the eastern edge of Europe, there lived a tribe of people know as the Khazars. About the year 740 A.D., the Khazar king and his court decided they should adopt a religion for their people. So, representatives of the three major religions, Christianity, Islam and Judaism, were invited to present their religious doctrines. The Khazars chose Judaism, but it wasn't for religious reasons. If the Khazars had chosen Islam, they would have angered the strong Christian world. If they had chosen Christianity, they would have angered the strong Islamic world. So, they played it safe — they chose Judaism. It wasn't for religious reasons the Khazars chose Judaism; it was for political reasons.


Sometime during the 13th century, the Khazars were driven from their land and they migrated westward with most of them settling in Poland and Russia. These Khazars are now known as Ashkenazi Jews. Because these Khazar Ashkenazi Jews merely chose Judaism, they are not really Jews — at least not blood Jews.


Throughout their history, these Polish and Russian Ashkenazi Jews practiced communism/socialism and worked to have their ideas implemented in these countries.


By the late 1800s significant numbers of these communist/socialist Jews were found in Germany, the Balkans and eventually all over Europe. Because of their interference in the social and governmental affairs of Russia, they became the target of persecution by the Czars. Because of this, migration of these communist/socialist oriented Jews began. Some went to Palestine; some to Central and South America; and a large number of them came to the U.S.





Political Zionism is Born
In 1897, the First Zionist Congress was held in Basle, Switzerland. At this Congress, it was decided to work toward the establishment of a Jewish state and a search for land on which to build this Jewish state began. Great Britain offered the Zionists land in Africa. This the Zionists rejected: they wanted Palestine!


At the time, Palestine was inhabited by a half a million Palestinian Arabs and a few Palestinian Jews who are blood related and who had lived together in peace for centuries. With Palestine as their choice for a homeland, European Ashkenazi Jews began migrating to Palestine. As I explained earlier, most were communist/socialist oriented with some of them being radical Bolshevik communists whose aim is world domination.

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Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

Post by zone on Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:40 pm

(This honest and courageous Jew was assassinated some years ago, by MOSSAD).


My Farewell to Israel, Thorn of the Middle East

By Jack Bernstein
Before Israel became a state in 1948, Jews worldwide were filled with Zionist propaganda that Israel would be a homeland for all Jews, a refuge for persecuted Jews, a democratic country and the fulfillment of biblical prophecy.


I am an Ashkenazi Jew who spent the first 25 years of my life in the United States, the country that has given ALL Jews freedom and the opportunity to prosper — and prosper we Jews did, to the point that one portion of the Jews (the Zionists) have gained a position of political and economic dominance in the U.S.


To fully understand the story I am about to tell, it is important that you understand what Zionism really is. Zionist propaganda has led the American people to believe that Zionism and Judaism are one and the same and that they are religious in nature. This is a blatant lie.


Judaism is a religion; but Zionism is a political movement started mainly by East European (Ashkenazi) Jews who for centuries have been the main force behind communism/socialism. The ultimate goal of the Zionists is one ONE-WORLD GOVERMENT UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE ZIONISTS AND THE ZIONIST-ORIENTED JEWISH INTERNATIONAL BANKERS.


Communism/socialism are merely tools to help them accomplish their goal.



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Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

Post by zone on Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:50 pm



"Israel Lobby" authors Steven Walt and John Mearsheimer

Allison Weir interviews "Israel Lobby" authors Steven Walt and John Mearsheimer.
Originially aired on INN World Report on August 31 2006
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Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

Post by zone on Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:21 pm

This interview was recorded in London on 30th November 2007. In the interview Atzmon discusses, amongst other things, The article that Tony Greenstein wants hidden/deleted, his latest article on zionism and the Bund, the impact of his experience of growing up in Israel, and the Palestinian solidarity movement in the UK. Article on Indymedia
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/08/378213.html

The Politics of Anti-Semitism: Zionism, the Bund and Jewish Identity Politics
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/the-politics-of-anti-semitism-zionism-the-bund-and-jewish-identity-politics/





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Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

Post by Strangelove on Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:32 pm

“Buonaparte has published a proclamation in which he invites all the Jews of Asia and Africa to come and place themselves under his flag in order to re-establish ancient Jerusalem. He has already armed a great number and their battalions are threatening Aleppo.”

May 22, 1799, the Paris Moniteur

Only 6 years later:“’The French government cannot look on with indifference as a vile, degraded nation capable of every iniquity takes exclusive possession of two beautiful departments of Alsace; one must consider the Jews as a nation and not as a sect. It is a nation within a nation; I would deprive them, at least for a certain time, of the right to take out mortgages, for it is too humiliating for the French nation to find itself at the mercy of the vilest nation. Some entire villages have been expropriated by the Jews; they have replaced feudalism… It would be dangerous to let the keys of France, Strasbourg and Alsace, fall into the hands of a population of spies who are not at all attached to the country.’”

- Napoleon Bonaparte, In the State Council, during its session of April 30 1805

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Israel's Grand Design: Leaders Crave Area from Egypt to Iraq

Post by zone on Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:06 pm

Israel's Grand Design: Leaders Crave Area from Egypt to Iraq


by John Mitchell Henshaw






Nearly 34 years ago, an America-firster used The American Mercury magazine to warn of the danger posed by Zionism and its rule of Washington and the Mideast. John Henshaw wrote this article shortly after Israel laid claim to the annexed land during 1967 Arab-Israeli war. This article first appeared in the spring of 1968.


*~*~*~*~*~*~*
The metamorphosis of tiny Israel from a midget to a giant is in the making. The grand design of Judaic-Zionist expansionist doctrine is to seize all the oil-rich lands from the shores of the Euphrates to the banks of the Nile.


In defining the aims of Zionism, Hebrew scholar Levnoch Osman recently said: "In our eternal Book of Books (the Torah), the lofty ethical teachings of which are cherished by all mankind, the land of Israel is described not as a long, narrow strip of land with wavy, crooked borders, but as a state with broad natural borders. God has promised to Patriarch Abraham the following:





"I give unto them the land where they have sown their seed, from the river of Egypt unto the great river of Euphrates’ (Genesis 15:18). And so, in order to realize the words of this prophecy, the Israeli state had to continue, not in the borders it has today but within its broad historical boundaries."

And as far back as 1952 Moshe Dayan, the present Israeli defense minister, declared:




"Our task consists of preparing the Israeli army for the new war approaching in order to achieve our ultimate goal, the creation of an Israeli empire."

The British historian Arnold J. Toynbee, who served as an adviser on Near Eastern affairs to the British delegation at the Versailles Conference, in a newspaper article published in June last year stated the Zionist aims in these words:




We are Jews, the living representatives of Judah, one of the 12 tribes of Israel that conquered most of Palestine in the 13th century B.C. We held Judah’s share of the conquered territory for seven centuries, till we were deported by Nebuchadnezzer in 587 B.C. We were back again within less than half a century, and we then held Judea, once more, for the next 773 years, till we were evicted by the Romans in A.D. 135. We have never renounced our claim to the land of Israel. We have always hoped, believed, and proclaimed that we shall get this land back again. It is our land, we contend.
After another 1,883 years we did recover a foothold there in 1918, and during the half-century since then, by devoted hard work, ability and military valor, we have built up our present national State of Israel, and have inflicted three smashing defeats on the Arabs, who have been trying to evict us again.
We want to have a country of our own again, like other peoples and like our own ancestors. We also need to have a country of our own, because, since the conversion of the Roman empire to Christianity in the fourth century A.D., we have been penalized and persecuted by the Western Christian majority among whom we have had to live.
The persecution has culminated in the unprecedented crime of genocide, which has been committed against us in our lifetime by a Western people, the Germans, in Europe.
We are not going to let the Arabs commit the same crime of genocide against us here, in our own land of Israel


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"Tribal Marxism for Dummies"

Post by zone on Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:00 pm

"Tribal Marxism for Dummies"

Sunday, April 24, 2011 at 8:29AM
Gilad Atzmon

This is an old paper of mine it was published originally on PTT (June 2009). I re-post it following the disappearance of PTT and its Archive.

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"The European left must make a serious critical assessment of this “we know better” attitude and the ways it tends to deal with popular forces in the south as ideologically and politically inferior." Hisham Bustani

“The subsequent emergence of Islamism holds a false promise. While it poses a challenge to Western domination, it is backward looking and inherently unable to deliver progress.” Moshe Machover June 2009

For very many years the Palestinian solidarity discourse was dominated by leftist ideology carried largely by Jewish Marxists. Though the support of Jewish leftists was rather important at an early stage, it lost its primacy and urgency as Palestinian resistance and the Palestinian solidarity discourse evolved into a vivid autonomous discourse based on widely accepted ethical grounds. The Israeli war crimes against Palestinians are now well documented. No one needs the odd kosher ‘righteous Jew’ to approve that this is indeed the case.

And yet, in spite of the clear fact that Palestinian solidarity discourse moved ahead, Jewish Marxists are still insisting upon dictating their tribally orientated pseudo-analytical vision of reality.

Jewish Marxism is very different from Marxism or socialism in general. While Marxism is a universal paradigm, its Jewish version is very different. It is there to mould Marxist dialectic into a Jewish subservient precept. Jewish Marxism is basically a crude utilisation of ‘Marxist-like’ terminology for the sole purpose of the Jewish tribal cause. It is a Judeo-centric pseudo intellectual setting which aims at political power.

Palestinian thinkers were probably the first to realise that the situation in Gaza, Nablus and the refugee camps had little in common with 19th century Europe. This was enough to defy Marxism as a sole analytical political tool. However, the Jewish Marxists had a far more adventurous plan for Palestinians, Arab people and the region in general. They wanted Arabs to become cosmopolitan atheists. They suggested that Arabs should drop ‘reactionary Islam’ and liberate themselves as ‘the Jews did’ a century ago.

Seemingly, Palestinian and Arab intellectuals grasped that the method that successfully transformed Russia into a Soviet Union, at the expense of millions, was not going to liberate them. They obviously realised that the Jewish Marxists did not intend upon bringing millions of Palestinian refugees home either. It wasn’t even set to launch any form of an adequate resistance. It was there to saturate the discourse with empty rhetoric and pseudo-analytical jargon in order to divert the attention from questions having to do with Jewish tribal politics and Jewish identity.

As interesting as it may be, it is actually the Jewish Marxists, those who support Palestinians as long as they drop Islam, who are the ultimate exemplary exponents of Jewish tribal politics. It is the Jewish Marxist rather than the 'Zionist’ who exposes the Jewish political ugly attitude in its worst crude form. This is good enough reason to monitor the Jewish Left and to understand its philosophy. As we will see soon enough, Jewish Marxism is there to suppress any form of engagement with the Jewish question by means of spin. It is there to stop scrutiny of Jewish power and Jewish lobbying. The Judeo Marxist is an imposter prophet who claims to know the answers and yet, for some reason, his reading of historical events is no less than a total catastrophe. None of his predictions stand the reality test.

One of the last prime exponents of Judeo Marxist ideology is Professor Moshe Machover. Machover was born in Tel Aviv, then part of the British Mandate of Palestine, he moved to Britain in 1968. He was a founder of Matzpen, a miniature Socialist organisation in 1962.

Machover’s reading of Zionism is pretty trivial. ‘Israel’, he says, is a ‘settler state’. For Machover this is a necessary point of departure because it sets Zionism as a colonialist expansionist project. The reasoning behind such a lame intellectual spin is obvious. As long as Zionism is conveyed as a colonial project, Jews, as a people, should be seen as ordinary people. They are no different from the French and the English, they just happen to run their deadly colonial project in a different time.

However, as much as Machover is desperate to divert the attention away from the Jewish question, Jewish tribal politics and the Jewish identity, his entire premise can be demolished in a one simple move. If Israel is a ‘settler state’ as he says, one may wonder, what exactly is its ‘motherland? In British and French colonial eras, the settler states maintained a very apparent tie with their ‘motherland’. In some cases in history, the settler state broke from its motherland. Such an event is a rather noticeable one. The Boston Tea Party may ring a bell. However, as far as we are aware, there is no ‘Jewish motherland’ that is intrinsically linked to the alleged ‘Jewish settler state’. The ‘Jewish people’ are largely associated with the Jewish state, and yet the ‘Jewish people’ is not exactly a ‘material’ autonomous sovereign entity. The lack of material Jewish motherland leads to the immediate collapse of Machover’s colonial argument.

Moreover, native Hebraic Israeli Jews are not connected culturally or emotionally to any motherland except their own state. As an ex-Israeli, I can testify that neither my parents nor myself or any of my fellow expatriates have ever been aware of our ties to any other (mother) state except Israel. Accordingly, it may be true that Zionism carries some colonial elements and yet, it is not a colonial project per se, for no one can present a material correspondence between Jewish ‘motherland’ and a Jewish ‘settler state’. The Jewish national project is unique in history and as it seems it doesn’t fit into any Marxist materialist explanation.

We are therefore entitled to assume that Machover’s ‘settler state’ is just another Judeo Marxist spin that is there to divert the attention from the clear fact that Israel is the Jewish state. In order to understand Israel’s unique condition we must ask, “who are the Jews? What is Judaism and what is Jewishness?” In fact answering these questions will help us understand why Machover and other Jewish Marxists invest so much effort producing all those spinning lines. As interesting as it may sound, Machover’s alteration of Marx’s ideology is very similar to the Zionist distortion of the Old Testament.

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Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

Post by PneumaPsucheSoma on Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:00 am

Hi, Z...

What's the skinny on the supposed Ashkenazim DNA tests that supposedly show irrefutable genetic markers that trace back to actual Israelites?

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Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

Post by Strangelove on Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:02 am

PneumaPsucheSoma wrote:Hi, Z...

What's the skinny on the supposed Ashkenazim DNA tests that supposedly show irrefutable genetic markers that trace back to actual Israelites?

Well, you gotto ask.....who are the 'actual Israelites' who bones they are using as a test sample to compare DNA markers to? Cuz if its bones from marked/semi marked graves around Jerusalem then that could be literally anyones remains, not necessarily the marked name. Maybe we need to 'discover' the lost ark with Davids bones inside? Vendyl Jones for the job maybe? Post-earthquake?

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Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

Post by zone on Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:32 pm

PneumaPsucheSoma wrote:Hi, Z...

What's the skinny on the supposed Ashkenazim DNA tests that supposedly show irrefutable genetic markers that trace back to actual Israelites?

heya PPS.
its the same scam as, say, anthro-warming. start with a false premise and devise a model for proving it. anyone can do it.


the answer to at least arousing suspicion is to follow the money: who dreamed up; funded; started; and control the DNA labs themselves (the whole project)?
answer: ashkenazism. naturally; they have to prove something. this is EASILY discovered by an hour of searching DNA labs.

another thing that just tosses the whole hoax aside is the simple question - take a photo (or dna) of an ethiopian jew and and an eastern european jew and look at them both. are they both COHENS (priests) from the ancient Hebrew tribes?

answer: please don't make me laugh, okay?

another problem, as Doc has said: did you use King David's DNA to start with to identify Judah's DNA? if so, please show us the evidence. the reality is - no, they did not. why not? it would probably show exactly what we see with DNA testing: it proves NOTHING without a premise or (THEORY) to begin with. what are you trying to prove? that's the problem. who is a 'gentile' and who is a 'jew'? it NOT ANSWERABLE today outside religious/cultural parameters.

if you can't show a STRONG semitic origin - this is region/linguistic (and that in itself means next to nothing since the Hebrews were a mixed people to start with - ABRAM WAS A GENTILE!) you're out of the running.

so now what?

you make it extremely complicated and full of psuedo-science mixed with mythologies and propositions and simply stake a claim based upon it. and you hope everyone forgets the original premise was false.

just like man-made global warming. with enough resources and a long-term agenda behind the lie, you can slide it past the masses.

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THIS IS WHAT THE ARGUMENT REALLY IS ABOUT:

i, zone, am a LUTHERAN.

now i must find a way to legitimize my lust for world domination as a Protestant (specifically Lutheran) with an agenda by matching my DNA to Martin Luther.

as stupid as it sounds, that's all it is. instead of making a claim for my worldview and behaviour based upon MY BELIEFS (which i confess are close to Martin Luther's); i am going to try to make the claim that i have a GENETIC right to go to Germany and displace and take over the whole country because the man whose reading of scripture i identify with came from there.

BUT - if i don't have Luther's DNA to match mine, is my CLAIM valid enough to excuse my bombing and killing? how many years will you give me a pass based upon MY PERSONAL CLAIM?


and as sad as it is, i could devise way to make it seem to be true. i would have to find a reason for all the other Lutherans in the world having varying DNA, but i could come up with elaborate migratory myths and theories, and simply 'isolate' a gene that an icelandic lutheran and i share and say AHA! this proves that icelander and i were once in GERMANY. since Luther lived in germany and since i am a lutheran.....blah blah blah.

but, since i am starting with ME (ZONE) and reverse-engineering the process, instead of starting with Luther and working forward, i am controlling the process and causing it to work in my favor.

the obvious ABSURDITY in all of it is that LUTHERANISM is a religious and cultural designation, not RACIAL.

Judaism (being a jew) is a tribal or religious designation that means nothing when it comes to isolating a people group RACIALLY. even if, say, the ashkenazi could find a way to set themselves up as having a particular gene that they say makes them Hebrews: what are they going to do about the Arab Jews...the Iranian Jews....the Iraqi Jews....the Ethipoian Jews....the Chinese Jews?

what the DNA projects REALLY show is that we are either ALL
jews or none of us are! (except isolated aboriginal tribes in jungles, who no one appears the be claiming are jewish!)

another thing to recall is that genological records were destroyed in 70AD (likely exactly as the LORD intended) and so there are NO...I REPEAT NO jewish/hebraic records dating pre 70ad and no one seems to be able to go anywhere once they go back in time to the end of the dark ages.

anyways, its an important subject, and one best answered by jewish sources, though certainly its a global project now:





Can DNA Testing Confirm Jewish Ancestry?


Jewish DNA or Jewish Ancestry? What is the difference?


Many people are asking these types of questions, especially today with the Hebraic Roots and Two-House movement exploding throughout many western and even eastern countries. One of the best answers I've come across was by Bennett Greenspan himself, the President & CEO of FamilyTreeDNA. Quoted below:

People often ask, "Can DNA tell me if I am Jewish?" The answer, of course, is "no," since DNA shows genetic history while religion refers to one's current belief system. If, however, the question is reframed as, "Can DNA reveal if someone has Jewish Ancestry?" then the answer is "yes"-under some circumstances, each involving the analysis outlined below...

http://www.squidoo.com/Jewish-and-10-Israel-DNA-testing

.....

so, can i tell if i am a descendant of Martin Luther without a trail back to Luther? NO. can i tell if my family were Lutherans beased upon a large enough pool of DNA from people who claim Lutheran family religious affliliations back far enough? yes.

i can get close to being able to say my family were Lutherans right from the time of Luther, but all that means is that were were PROTESTANTS. it doesn't mean i'm not an Eskimo or a Sudanese.

the likelihood that there would be a Sudanese in Germany during Luthers life, and living and marrying into my household is near zero, but if i am starting off with a SECRET AGENDA AS A PERSON WITH WHITE SKIN who wants to prove that WHITE SKIN GOES WITH CHRISTIANITY i could likely pull it off.

all i have to do is say that my white anscestors mated occassionally with Sudanese, but the Sudanese converted to Lutheranism.

does that make the Sudanese a white person? NO! it makes Him a Sudanese who went to a Lutheran church! so WHY would i then turn around and kill off all the Sudanese if Luther said to do so??????

the whole thing is not only a hoax, its the very eugenics-based system we've all been dreading from the beginning.

this DNA project is intended as they all are, to isolate a particular peoples as the MASTER RACE and all others as different. like all the other attempts throughour time to do this thing (ethnic cleansing), it comes full circle and we find there is ANOTHER group who believes this about themselves and has ME on a list.




















the REAL QUESTION is...

which of these people are GENTILES?

see how stupid the whole thing is?


you get the idea.





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Arab jew



Ashkenazi jew

.....another thing that just tosses the whole hoax aside is the simple question - take a photo (or dna) of an ARAB jew and and an eastern european jew and look at them both.

are they both COHENS (priests) from the ancient Hebrew tribes?

answer: please don't make me laugh, okay?

........

but WAIT!
what if they ARE both Cohens and our DNA project says certain markers mark the COHENS?

.........

then what on earth are you ethnically cleansing Palestine for? if you KNOW (or believe) that you have BROTHER HEBREWS whose skin is black or red white or in between, WHY ARE YOU KILLING THEM ALL and isolating yourself based on.......

based on WHAT WAS IT EXACTLY AGAIN?

..............

again.......what utter RUBBISH.

............

here's my proposal: everyone keep their desired cultural and religious affliations, and anyone who chooses something else is free to do so.

anything more than that is NAZISM and RACISIM and BULL.

LOVE ONE ANOTHER.....



is this my BROTHER?
yes. he is created in God's image and in that sense he is my brother.

does he believe what i believe? maybe not.

do i kill him if he doesn't? that's what Cain would do.
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Post by PneumaPsucheSoma on Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:19 pm

Strangelove wrote:

Well, you gotto ask.....who are the 'actual Israelites' who bones they are using as a test sample to compare DNA markers to? Cuz if its bones from marked/semi marked graves around Jerusalem then that could be literally anyones remains, not necessarily the marked name. Maybe we need to 'discover' the lost ark with Davids bones inside? Vendyl Jones for the job maybe? Post-earthquake?

Yes, that's always been my response; except I'm WAY more sarcastic about it. I just wondered what the supposed process entailed as far as sampling and testing, etc.

My contribution to any such convo always includes "durst a railing accusation" and "Moses' bones". I thought we might have access to the genetics/blood test results to specifically scrutinize.

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PneumaPsucheSoma wrote:
My contribution to any such convo always includes "durst a railing accusation" and "Moses' bones". I thought we might have access to the genetics/blood test results to specifically scrutinize.

we do.
go to any 'pro-jewish' DNA site and start making sense of it.
its all there.

what the end result is....everybody's a 'gentile'.
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zone wrote:

Arab jew



Ashkenazi jew

.....another thing that just tosses the whole hoax aside is the simple question - take a photo (or dna) of an ARAB jew and and an eastern european jew and look at them both.

are they both COHENS (priests) from the ancient Hebrew tribes?

answer: please don't make me laugh, okay?

........

but WAIT!
what if they ARE both Cohens and our DNA project says certain markers mark the COHENS?

.........

then what on earth are you ethnically cleansing Palestine for? if you KNOW (or believe) that you have BROTHER HEBREWS whose skin is black or red white or in between, WHY ARE YOU KILLING THEM ALL and isolating yourself based on.......

based on WHAT WAS IT EXACTLY AGAIN?

..............

again.......what utter RUBBISH.

............

here's my proposal: everyone keep their desired cultural and religious affliations, and anyone who chooses something else is free to do so.

anything more than that is NAZISM and RACISIM and BULL.

LOVE ONE ANOTHER.....



is this my BROTHER?
yes. he is created in God's image and in that sense he is my brother.

does he believe what i believe? maybe not.

do i kill him if he doesn't? that's what Cain would do.


Yep, that's been my perspective. I've just never addressed the topic beyond dismissive sarcasm.

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zone wrote:

we do.
go to any 'pro-jewish' DNA site and start making sense of it.
its all there.

what the end result is....everybody's a 'gentile'.

Mutts... one and all. :-D

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PneumaPsucheSoma wrote:

Yep, that's been my perspective. I've just never addressed the topic beyond dismissive sarcasm.

and its easy to be sarcastic and dismissive since its such absurd nonsense.
but we're looking down the throat of the planned 3rd ww.

clearly SOMEBODY with the reins of power believes this and intends to follow through.

and we have more than enough documentation now to know what the playbook is.
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PneumaPsucheSoma wrote:Mutts... one and all. :-D
i wonder is there anything more important (and freeing) than knowing that the Creator Himself has torn down racial and cultural walls and barriers?

we really have to start speaking what Jesus taught and taking these idiotic 'christian' zionists out in the alley for a good talking to. none of this could have gone down without them.

i'm against book burning, but if there were one to torch it would be that dastardly scofield monster.
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Post by PneumaPsucheSoma on Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:50 pm

zone wrote:

and its easy to be sarcastic and dismissive since its such absurd nonsense.
but we're looking down the throat of the planned 3rd ww.

clearly SOMEBODY with the reins of power believes this and intends to follow through.

and we have more than enough documentation now to know what the playbook is.

Yep. The whole agenda is SO fragile, yet it teeters on things that can be assured... mass ignorance, denial, indoctrination, etc.

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lets say for the sake of argument:

these beautiful boys have NO markers in common that would make them both jewish.

what happens if the little guy on the left converts to the religion of the fella on the right?

the boy on the left is now jewish.

NOW WHAT?

does the boy on the left now take part in ethnic cleansing of people with the same DNA as he?

on what grounds?



btw: (i never forget arabs are just as guilty of ethnic cleansing - i.e: blacks in Libya - as are whites and every other group on earth historically).
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PneumaPsucheSoma wrote:
Yep. The whole agenda is SO fragile, yet it teeters on things that can be assured... mass ignorance, denial, indoctrination, etc.

pps, i'm overall a live and let live person.
but we're in big trouble.

i know the scriptures enough to know this world is going to be burned up - and thank God. it's just ruined.

i listened to a chemtrails update (upshot: monsanto et all controlling weather to take control of world food supply - all comers are being droughted or flooded into submission). the crackpot eugenicists are engineering us genetically. they're just insane, but plowing ahead.

they really do believe they are the 'wild' (master race) and the rest of us must be 'domesticated' or destroyed. its beyond sickening. i wish they were all rounded up and put in nice soft rooms with their reading material of choice for life, never to speak or write their trash again. but we're too far gone for that.


the very minimum responsibility we all have once we know is to call this thing out into the open. verbally.

and to give our bodies to be burned if need be to FOR TRUTH'S sake.

..............

the zionist project is based on what we as Christians know is FALSE AND TRUE at the same time - that a land promise made to Abraham meant in the future people who called themselves jews would take it by force.

i can easily see how the PROMISE was manipulated by unbelievers....and how the lie is believed by the lost.

but that in no way nullifies our responsibility to tell the truth.

not only is the entire idea of 'israelites' in 2012 being God's chosen people wrong: we have people who were never israelites staking the claim and destroying everything in the process.

i also know this is God's will as well.

He said He would gather HIS ENEMIES in that land and destroy them.

Gilad Atzmon (who is not a christian) had enough discernment and i heard him say so: the zionists/jewish collective is BLIND AND DEAF as a whole and our best hope for any dialogue (in our case it is about JESUS) is with the goyim.



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i've done everything i thought i wanted to do in this life and found it, as solomon said, all vanity.
if i had the resources, i'd go right to the heart of jerusalem and stand there reading the New Testament until it came to an end, one way or another.

in the meantime, we have the wilderness, and i have the little circle the Lord placed me in.
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Your frikkin nailing this thread zone my Sister.

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Strangelove wrote:Your frikkin nailing this thread zone my Sister.
its men like you who are turning this around Doc.
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Post by PneumaPsucheSoma on Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:57 pm

My Mom is 76yo, and in a skilled care facility facing surgery. For the first time ever, I was able to sit down a few nights ago and dispel her lifelong casual-yet-adamant view of "bless the Jews and be blessed".

She readily received it and now understands what the agenda is. She was completely slack-jawed as I laid out the facts.

I've also had that same opportunity this last week with three other couples who are close friends. All were "proxy" Dispies until we talked. Now they've seen the truth and are sharing it.

Fighting with indoctrinated hard-heads on forums is more frustrating and less fruitful. Others have contacted me by PM or e-mail from the forums, though. They're getting it.

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Faint Heartedness, Political Correctness, and Peculiar Timing: The Attacks on Gilad Atzmon


Saturday, March 17, 2012 at 1:26PM Gilad Atzmon


By Richard Edmondson



A group of prominent Palestinians who recently launched an attack on Gilad Atzmon seem to have made their required obeisance to Jewish sensibilities. Bravo for them. I must confess something, however: what good this will do for Palestine, or how it will ultimately help end the occupation, is totally beyond me. On the other hand, it does seem like an awfully nice gift for Israel, coming especially on the heels of the latest murderous rampage against Gaza. In this most recent paroxysm of Israeli violence, some 25 people died, including children. Why publish an attack against Atzmon at this particular time? Could it not have waited?

Atzmon is not only a longtime defender of Palestine, he has also emerged as one of the most powerful voices in anti-Zionist discourse. Why attack him at all, of course, but why especially now? As the most recent images of Gazans mourning their dead were flashing across the Internet, people throughout the world were getting worked up into a state of righteous anger. Even the mainstream media were forced to admit—something they rarely do—that the Israeli assault was not in “retaliation” for the firing of any missile or anything else any Palestinian had done. But then wham! Suddenly we get our “disavowal” manifesto. For this particular group of people to attempt to soil Atzmon with the “anti-Semite” label at this particular moment—well, let’s put it this way: Israel could hardly have asked for more.

The manifesto and its signatories can be found here. I recognize a number of the names on the list, and am aware that at least some of them hold comfortable university positions. Universities used to be bastions of free speech, but that is not the case any longer. We’ve seen a decade of attacks against outspoken academics coming from people like David Horowitz. Academic freedom, as with other freedoms in America, is pretty much on the road to extinction, and criticizing Israel is probably the most risky of all things you could possibly do. Get labeled an anti-Semite and it can be the end of your job. Such is Jewish power in America. But this power is especially felt in academia where many prestigious universities depend on Jewish financial gifts.

But of course the Palestine Solidarity movement is made up of many diverse people. Some, by virtue of positions they hold, certainly have reason to fear should they say or do something to offend Jews, while others are not encumbered with this concern. But curiously even the ones who aren’t, act as if they are. It’s as if being cognizant of the Holocaust and treading carefully around Jewish sensibilities has become ingrained in us. This is true virtually everywhere, at every level of American society, and now, as we see, it has spread into the Palestinian community as well. Were it any country other than Israel, and any ethnic group other than Jews, I dare say we would not even be having this conversation right now. The question is—what has all this caution, concern and political correctness gotten us? We’ve had four-plus decades—going back to the attack on the USS Liberty—of tiptoeing timidly around Jewish sensibilities. And what have we seen? Israel repeatedly unleashing murder and mayhem, becoming ever more emboldened how it goes about it in the process, while Jewish lobbies have at the same time consolidated greater and greater power over Western governments. Meanwhile, the Palestine Solidarity community splits asunder because some are worried about causing offense to Jews. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. It’s time to try something new, and that’s what Atzmon represents—he represents a change in the discourse. He is a breath of fresh air.
Israel is an evil country led by evil people. Time to acknowledge that. But time to acknowledge also that there is a certain definable problem here other than just the leaders of the country alone. As Atzmon himself has noted, 94 percent of Israelis supported Operation Cast Lead. And during the latest mugging of Gaza, Judy Nir Mozes Shalom, an Israeli talk show personality, called for an escalation of the bombing to include even the “passive residents” of the besieged territory. “I hope that at tomorrow’s cabinet meeting a decision will be accepted to enter Gaza and kill all those responsible for the nightmare that is happening in the south,” said Nir Mozes Shalom. “It’s time even for the passive residents of Gaza to suffer the way the residents of the south are suffering.”

.......more:

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/faint-heartedness-political-correctness-and-peculiar-timing.html
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Post by Strangelove on Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:56 pm

PneumaPsucheSoma wrote:My Mom is 76yo, and in a skilled care facility facing surgery. For the first time ever, I was able to sit down a few nights ago and dispel her lifelong casual-yet-adamant view of "bless the Jews and be blessed".

She readily received it and now understands what the agenda is. She was completely slack-jawed as I laid out the facts.

I've also had that same opportunity this last week with three other couples who are close friends. All were "proxy" Dispies until we talked. Now they've seen the truth and are sharing it.

Fighting with indoctrinated hard-heads on forums is more frustrating and less fruitful. Others have contacted me by PM or e-mail from the forums, though. They're getting it.

I did the same with my mum. Imagine the look on her face.....she's JEWISH! Lolz.... Exclamation

Best wishes to you and yours for a speedy recovery.

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Post by PneumaPsucheSoma on Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:13 pm

Strangelove wrote:

I did the same with my mum. Imagine the look on her face.....she's JEWISH! Lolz.... Exclamation

Best wishes to you and yours for a speedy recovery.

Thanx, Doc.

It really is a shock for folks. Then I told her she's about 75% Ashkenazic herself; and with my Dad's smaller portion of Ashkenazic lineage, I'm over 50%. It was an interesting evening. LOL.

We're all Pseudo-Jews. Yee and Haw!

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Post by unclefester on Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:55 pm

PneumaPsucheSoma wrote:

Thanx, Doc.

It really is a shock for folks. Then I told her she's about 75% Ashkenazic herself; and with my Dad's smaller portion of Ashkenazic lineage, I'm over 50%. It was an interesting evening. LOL.

We're all Pseudo-Jews. Yee and Haw!

Your mom is in my prayers this day.


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