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Paul Wolfowitz

Post by zone on Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:16 pm

Paul Wolfowitz


AKA Paul Dundes Wolfowitz
Born: 22-Dec-1943
Birthplace: New York City
Gender: Male
Religion: Jewish
Race or Ethnicity: White
Sexual orientation: Straight
Occupation: Government
Party Affiliation: Democratic [1]
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Executive summary: President of the World Bank, 2005-07

Paul Wolfowitz is a prominent and well-connected conservative hawk who was Deputy Secretary of Defense under Donald Rumsfeld during the George W. Bush administration, and later President of the World Bank.
On September 11, Wolfowitz told senior Pentagon officials that Iraq might have been responsible for that day's attacks. Several former and current intelligence officials have said that, beginning shortly thereafter, they felt pressure from Wolfowitz, Vice President Dick Cheney, Cheney's Chief of Staff Lewis Libby and others to find "the right answers" linking Saddam Hussein to what happened. No serious link has ever been found; in fact, Hussein and Osama bin Laden were known to be long-time enemies.
Three days after September 11, it was Wolfowitz, not Rumsfeld or Bush, who first declared that America's new policy would be "ending states who sponsor terrorism". He was a primary advocate of the preemptive strike on Iraq, eliminating the alleged threat posed by Hussein's frightful stockpiles of still-unseen weapons of mass destruction. In August 2003, after the U.S. had taken Iraq, Wolfowitz said with a straight face, "I think all foreigners should stop interfering in the internal affairs of Iraq."
In October 2003, Wolfowitz was huddling with U.S. military commanders in Baghdad at the luxurious and heavily guarded Hotel al-Rashid when the hotel came under rocket attack. Fifteen people were killed, but Wolfowitz was unharmed. It's the closest he's ever come to combat. Wolfowitz was of fighting age during the Vietnam War, but studied mathematics at Cornell University, which got him a deferment from the draft.
During the early 1970s, Wolfowitz worked at the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency, and beginning in 1977 he was Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Regional Programs, where he was involved in establishing would later became the US military central command. From 1981 to 1982, he was in charge of the State Department's policy planning staff. During the Reagan administration he became Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs, and later he was named America's Ambassador to Indonesia.
In 1989 Wolfowitz became Under Secretary for Defense Policy, and in 1993, as Democrats took over Washington, he left to become Professor of National Security Strategy at the National War College. He was also a leading participant in the Project for the New American Century. He was nominated as Deputy Secretary of Defense by Bush in February 2001, and became a strong advocate for invading Iraq in 2003.
In testimony before Congress during the run-up to that war, Wolowitz said that General Eric Shinseki's estimate that at least several hundred thousand troops would be necessary to capture and hold Iraq was "wildly off the mark". Wolfowitz said that instead, fewer than 100,000 American troops would be necessary, and added, "It is hard to conceive that it would take more forces to provide stability in post-Saddam Iraq than it would take to conduct the war itself."
As the Iraq situation deteriorated, Wolfowitz was forced out at the Defense Department, and he was subsequently appointed President of the World Bank, despite having no pertinent experience in banking, finance, or development. His tenure there came to an inauspicious end when it was revealed that his girlfriend, who also worked at the World Bank, had received rapid promotion and a favorable appointment at the US State Department. After announcing his resignation from the World Bank, Wolfowitz publicly blamed the media for creating the perception of nepotism.

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Wolfowitz Doctrine

Post by zone on Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:18 pm

Wolfowitz Doctrine is an unofficial name given to the initial version of the Defense Planning Guidance for the 1994–99 fiscal years (dated February 18, 1992) authored by U.S. Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Paul Wolfowitz and his deputy Scooter Libby.
Not intended for public release, it was leaked to The New York Times on March 7, 1992, and sparked a public controversy about U.S. foreign and defense policy. The document was widely criticized as imperialist as the document outlined a policy of unilateralism and pre-emptive military action to suppress potential threats from other nations and prevent any other nation from rising to superpower status.
Such was the outcry that the document was hastily re-written under the close supervision of U.S. Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Colin Powell before being officially released on April 16, 1992. Although the initial release was denounced at the time it was leaked, many of its tenets have since re-emerged in the Bush Doctrine.

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    Washington Okays Attack on Unarmed U.S. Ship ?

    Post by zone on Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:24 pm

    Washington Okays Attack on Unarmed U.S. Ship



    Stephen Zunes
    Foreign Policy In Focus
    July 2, 2011
    The Obama administration appears to have given a green light to an Israeli attack on an unarmed flotilla carrying peace and human rights activists — including a vessel with 50 Americans on board — bound for the besieged Gaza Strip.

    At a press conference on June 24, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton criticized the flotilla organized by the Free Gaza Campaign by saying it would “provoke actions by entering into Israeli waters and creating a situation in which the Israelis have the right to defend themselves.”

    Clinton did not explain why a country had “the right to defend themselves” against ships which are clearly no threat. Not only have organizers of the flotilla gone to great steps to ensure are there no weapons on board, the only cargo bound for Gaza on the U.S. ship are letters of solidarity to the Palestinians in that besieged enclave who have suffered under devastating Israeli bombardments, a crippling blockade, and a right-wing Islamist government. Nor did Clinton explain why the State Department suddenly considers the Mediterranean Sea off the coast of the port of Gaza to be “Israeli waters,” when the entire international community recognizes Israeli territorial waters as being well to the northeast of the ships’ intended route.

    The risk of an Israeli attack on the flotilla is real. Israeli commandoes illegally assaulted a similar flotilla in international waters on May 31 of last year, killing nine people on board one of the vessels, including Furkan Dogan, a 19-year old U.S. citizen. Scores of others, including a number of Americans, were brutally beaten and more than a dozen others were shot but survived their wounds. According to a UN investigation, based on eyewitness testimony and analysis by a forensic pathologist and ballistic expert, Dogan was initially shot while filming the assault and then murdered while lying face down with a bullet shot at close range in the back of the head. The United States was the only one of the 47 members of the UN Human Rights Council to vote against the adoption of the report. The Obama administration never filed a complaint with the Israeli government, demonstrating its willingness to allow the armed forces of U.S. allies to murder U.S. citizens on the high seas.
    As indicated by Clinton’s statement of last week, the administration appears to be willing to let it happen again.
    Congressional Response


    Last year, 329 out of 435 members of the U.S. House of Representatives signed a letter that referred to Israel’s attack that killed Dogan and the others as an act of “self-defense” which they “strongly support.” A Senate letter — signed by 87 out of 100 senators — went on record “fully” supporting what it called “Israel’s right to self-defense,” claiming that the effort to relieve critical shortages of food and medicine in the besieged Gaza Strip was simply part of a “clever tactical and diplomatic ploy” by “Israel’s opponents” to “challenge its international standing.”

    But not everyone in Congress believes the assaulting and killing human rights activists on the high seas is legitimate. Last week, on June 24, six members of Congress signed a letter to Secretary Clinton requesting that she “do everything in her power to work with the Israeli government to ensure the safety of the U.S. citizens on board.” As of this writing, they have not received a response.

    Earlier in the week, the State Department issued a public statement to discourage Americans from taking part in the second Gaza flotilla because they might be attacked by Israeli forces. Yet thus far neither the State Department nor the White House has issued a public statement demanding that Israel not attack Americans legally traveling in international waters. Indeed, on Friday, State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland implied that the United States would blame those taking part in the flotilla rather than the rightist Israeli government should anything happen to them.Like those in the early 1960s who claimed civil rights protesters were responsible for the attacks by white racist mobs because they had “provoked them,” Nuland stated, Groups that seek to break Israel’s maritime blockade of Gaza are taking irresponsible and provocative actions that risk the safety of their passengers.” Again, The Obama administration didn’t offer even one word encouraging caution or restraint by the Israeli government, nor did it mention that the International Red Cross and other advocates of international humanitarian law recognize that the Israeli blockade is illegal.
    Who’s On Board


    Passengers of the U.S. boat, christened The Audacity of Hope, include celebrated novelist Alice Walker, holocaust survivor Hedy Epstein, former CIA analyst Ray McGovern, veteran foreign service officer and retired lieutenant colonel Ann Wright, Israeli-American linguistics professor Hagit Borer, and prominent peace and human rights activists like Medea Benjamin, Robert Naiman, Steve Fake, and Kathy Kelly. Ten other boats are carrying hundreds of other civilians from dozens of other countries, along with nearly three thousand tons of aid. Those on board include members of national parliaments and other prominent political figures, writers, artists, clergy from various faith traditions, journalists, and athletes.

    Fifteen ships have previously sailed or attempted to sail to Gaza as part of the Free Gaza Campaign. None was found to contain any weapons or materials that could be used for military purposes. The current flotilla organizers have stated that their cargoes are “open to international inspection.” Despite this, however, the Obama State Department insists that the Israelis have the right to intercept the ships due to the “vital importance to Israel’s security of ensuring that all cargo bound for Gaza is appropriately screened for illegal arms and dual-use materials.”

    Though the flotilla organizers have made clear that the U.S. boat is only carrying letters of support for the people of Gaza, the State Department has also threatened participants with “fines and incarceration” if they attempt to provide “material support or other resources to or for the benefit of a designated foreign terrorist organization, such as Hamas.”

    As with many actions supporting Palestinian rights, the coalition of groups endorsing the flotilla includes pro-Palestinian groups as well as peace, human rights, religious, pacifist and liberal organizations, including Progressive Democrats of America, Pax Christi, Peace Action, Nonviolence International, Jewish Voice for Peace, War Resisters League, and the Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom.

    Despite this, Brad Sherman (D-CA), ranking Democrat on the House Foreign Relations Committee’s subcommittee on terrorism, nonproliferation and trade, has claimed that organizers of the flotilla have “clear terrorist ties” and has called upon U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder to prosecute U.S. citizens involved with the flotilla and ban foreign participants from ever entering the United States.
    Israel’s Position


    Largely as a result of last year’s flotilla, Israel has somewhat relaxed its draconian siege on the territory, which had resulted in a major public health crisis. The State Department has gone to some lengths to praise Israel for allowing some construction material into the Gaza Strip to make possible the rebuilding of some of the thousands of homes, businesses and public facilities destroyed in Israel’s devastating U.S.-backed 2008-2009 military offensive, which resulted in the deaths of over 800 civilians. At no point, however, has the Obama administration ever criticized Israel for destroying those civilian structures in the first place.

    As with many potentially confrontational nonviolent direct actions, there are genuine differences within the peace and human rights community regarding the timing, the nature, and other aspects of the forthcoming flotilla. However, the response to the Obama administration’s position on the flotilla has been overwhelmingly negative. Many among his progressive base, already disappointed at his failure to take a tougher line against the rightist Israeli government as well as his reluctance to embrace human rights and international law as a basis for Israeli-Palestinian peace, feel increasingly alienated from the president.

    More significantly, the Obama administration’s response may signal a return to the Reagan administration’s policies of defending the killing of U.S. human rights workers in order to discourage grassroots acts of international solidarity, as when Reagan officials sought to blame the victims and exonerate the perpetrators for the murder of four American churchwomen by the El Salvadoran junta and the murder of American engineer Ben Linder by the Nicaraguan Contras. Perhaps the Obama administration hopes that giving a green light to an Israeli attack on the U.S. ship and other vessels in the flotilla will serve as a warning. Perhaps they hope that Americans volunteering for groups like Peace Brigades International, Witness for Peace, Nonviolent Peaceforce, Christian Peacemaker Teams, International Solidarity Movement, and other groups operating in conflict zones like Mexico, Colombia, Guatemala, El Salvador, Sri Lanka, Palestine, Nepal, Indonesia and elsewhere will think twice, knowing that the U.S. government will not live up to its obligations to try to protect nonviolent U.S. activists from violence perpetrated by allied governments.

    Indeed, nothing frightens a militaristic state more than the power of nonviolent action.
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    US Congress Opposes PA Statehood Bid

    Post by zone on Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:35 am

    2. US Congress Opposes PA Statehood Bid

    by Gavriel Queenann


    The US House of Representatives voted 407-6 to pass a non-binding resolution backing the suspension of funds to the cash-strapped Palestinian Authority should it pursue its bid for a unilateral declaration of statehood by the United Nations in September.

    The resolution comes a week after the US Senate unanimously approved a similar resolution.

    The House resolution also calls for the Obama administration to consider suspending aid the the PA in light of its unity deal with Hamas terror organization. The resolution is non-binding because, constitutionally, foreign policy is the purview of the President of the United States.

    The House initially debated the resolution on Wednesday, but postponed the vote to ensure lawmakers had a chance to vote. Republicans and Democrats signaled their strong support for Israel and a resumption of direct negotiations that collapsed last fall.

    "We stand by Israel as our most valued ally. It is time for the Palestinian Authority to accept a peaceful solution to this conflict," said House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va.

    Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland, the No. 2 Democrat in the House, said he strongly believed that to ensure "the long-term viability of the Jewish democratic state, peace must be negotiated. It cannot and will not be imposed from outside."

    The administration has said the PA push for a UN vote on its statehood this fall has not helped the peace process, a point echoed by lawmakers. The US has signaled to the PA it will exercise its security council veto at the UN should the matter be brought to a vote.

    That renders the PA move in the General Assembly largely symbolic and led Israeli officials to seek a "moral minority" of sixty key states to oppose the move as a means of negating the propaganda effect of the PA receiving the support of its traditional 'automatic majority' in the General Assembly.

    "What, exactly, would UN General Assembly recognition of a Palestinian state do for the Palestinians? Absolutely nothing," said Rep. Howard Berman of California, the top Democrat on the Foreign Affairs Committee. "It would be seen by Israel and many others as an act of bad faith, creating yet another obstacle to successful talks."

    The House resolution says the goal is two states "a democratic, Jewish state of Israel and a viable, democratic Palestinian state, living side-by-side in peace, security and mutual recognition."

    But many question the viability of a PA state when the organization, riddled with corruption, cannot make ends meet and survives solely at the charitable largesse of donor nations.
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    Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

    Post by zone on Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:18 am

    BUMP...........
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    Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

    Post by Abiding on Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:38 am

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    Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

    Post by zone on Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:53 am

    hey brother.
    you made it.

    i recommend starting with the Talmudism thread...

    not a single one of us wants this stuff to be true Abiding...but it is.
    love you.
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    Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

    Post by Abiding on Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:05 am

    Actually in the last few weeks ive been through all Ive seen here
    thats why i said my tiny brain is ready to explode.

    Not that it will do any good but im being challenged right now to come
    up with OT promises to Israel that are in process now and will have final
    completion in the eternal state.

    I feel odd to talk about something im totally new to. And the reception
    seems to be violent rather than just a discussion. But when my view
    changed even slightly, the whole switchover happenned in what the scriptures are saying. Lights came on in other parts of scripture id just passed over.

    Ill read the thread tho, ty, stuff id seen in the talmud so far shocked
    me. How anyone can follow it is beyond me. Maybe they dont really
    read it, as christians with their bibles.

    Thanks again, I hope I can stay here, its not that im a kiss up, but it does hurt a little to be fought so hard in cc, and have em come right
    out and say they have been gossipping about you and that your a devil. Sad
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    Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

    Post by zone on Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:24 am

    Abiding wrote:Actually in the last few weeks ive been through all Ive seen here
    thats why i said my tiny brain is ready to explode.

    Not that it will do any good but im being challenged right now to come
    up with OT promises to Israel that are in process now and will have final
    completion in the eternal state.

    I feel odd to talk about something im totally new to. And the reception
    seems to be violent rather than just a discussion. But when my view
    changed even slightly, the whole switchover happenned in what the scriptures are saying. Lights came on in other parts of scripture id just passed over.

    Ill read the thread tho, ty, stuff id seen in the talmud so far shocked
    me. How anyone can follow it is beyond me. Maybe they dont really
    read it, as christians with their bibles.

    Thanks again, I hope I can stay here, its not that im a kiss up, but it does hurt a little to be fought so hard in cc, and have em come right
    out and say they have been gossipping about you and that your a devil. Sad

    i know bud.
    we've all been through it.

    there's a CODE OF SILENCE in Christianity.

    we don't have one here.

    one place i found quite helpful to start with that was matching ezekiel's vision of the city with john's -BOTH NEW JERUSALEM.

    Ezekiel 40:2
    In visions of God he took me to the land of Israel and set me on a very high mountain, on whose south side were some buildings that looked like a city.

    Revelation 21:1
    And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.


    when i looked into the hebrew language compared to the greek, the hebrew makes PICTURES...that's why there's so much utensils and objects and action....ezekiels temple is New Jerusalem, partially revealed.

    we have a VERY WISE brother Yaright who sees some SUPER COOL stuff in scripture...might see if i can coax him over here and give him a thread and let him go to town...beautiful pearls, helps alot. he's sending me stuff that's blowing my mind. just awesome.
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    Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

    Post by Abiding on Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:31 am

    Ya ive had my eye on him, thanks again zone. Ill get more balanced
    soon, but right now im loving eating like a pig. Dont know what to do about my crush on you. But if i see you around once in awhile ill
    survive. Rolling Eyes
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    Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

    Post by zone on Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:52 am

    signing out.
    love you all

    HAHA Abiding...wait til ya meet Doc.
    and all the folks here...i'm glad you made it.

    post man. you got GOOD DOCTRINE. we need it.
    lol!
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    Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

    Post by Strangelove on Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:03 am

    Welcome Abiding,

    ...feel free to tell us a little bit aout yourself in the New Member Intro suforum.

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    Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

    Post by Abiding on Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:07 am

    Strangelove,

    thankyou very much Very Happy ill take a look
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    Tel Aviv Will Be Bombed in Next Gaza War, Says Minister

    Post by zone on Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:01 pm

    YA RIGHT! as if!





    1. Tel Aviv Will Be Bombed in Next Gaza War, Says Minister
    by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu



    Metropolitan Tel Aviv, Israel’s finance and commercial center, will be bombed by missiles n the next Gaza war, warns Home Front Minister Matan Vilnai.

    "In the next conflict with Gaza, even if it at a much lower intensity than a war, missiles will fall on Gush Dan -- for all purposes, inside Tel Aviv," Vilnai said at an international defense conference in metropolitan Tel Aviv.

    Intelligence officials have warned for more than two years that the Hamas terrorist regime in Gaza has smuggled missiles that can reach far beyond southern Israel, which was targeted nearly three years ago, before and during the counterterrorist Operation Cast Lead campaign.

    Hamas and other terrorist groups have at least 10,000 missiles and rockets, according to military intelligence estimates. Advanced weapons are smuggled, in whole or in parts for assembly, enter Gaza from Iran, often via Sudan.

    Vilnai said that Israel is improving its defense capabilities against missiles, and referred to bomb shelters and missile interceptors as well as retaliatory measures.

    Citing Israel’s tiny area, he said, "There is no country in the world that is threatened like the State of Israel," he said. "The only country that approximates it is South Korea."

    Since the end of Operation Cast Lead, southern Israel has been attacked by nearly 300 missiles and rockets. Israel has carried out tit-for-tat retaliatory tactics, striking rocket manufacturing plants and terrorist tunnels. The Defense Ministry, headed by Ehud Barak, has not explained why orders have not been give to the IDF to conduct pre-emptive strikes before missiles cam bombard Israeli civilians.
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    Hamas Executes Two Arabs for ‘Collaborating’ with Israel

    Post by zone on Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:03 pm

    THAT'S ODD SINCE HAMAS WAS CREATED BY ISRAEL.



    Hamas Executes Two Arabs for ‘Collaborating’ with Israel

    Hamas again resorts to executions to punish Gaza Arabs for 'collaborating' with Israel. Palestinian Authority law authorizes the executions.
    by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu Published: 26/07/11, 10:59 AM





    Hamas in Gaza
    Israel news photo: Flash 90


    Hamas again resorted to executions by hanging to punish two Gaza Arabs for allegedly collaborating with Israel. The executions are legal under Palestinian Authority law.

    The Hamas Interior Ministry announced the executions after appeals were rejected for convictions handed down in 2004. Human rights activists have not commented on the executions.

    Earlier this year, a Hamas firing squad executed one man convicted for helping Israel, and three others are on death row.

    The IDF routinely relies on collaborators for information on the location of terrorists, smuggling tunnels and weapon storerooms.

    The Palestinian Authority law allows a death sentence for the offenses of collaborating with Israel, murder and drug trafficking, but execution orders must be signed by PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas, whom de facto Gaza Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh does not recognize.

    Abbas also has previously approved executions, mainly for the crime of selling property to Jews, an offense punishable by death from the time of the Jordanian occupation of most of Judea and Samaria. .



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    Judaism: Rebuilding the Temple

    Post by zone on Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:07 pm

    Judaism: Rebuilding the Temple

    Published: 19/07/11, 9:23 PM

    It would help if the world acknowledged the historical importance of the site of the holy sanctuary for Jews.

    The months of Tammuz and Av direct our attention to the destruction of the Temple.

    It is axiomatic that the Bible is true, that Solomon built a Temple, there was a Second Temple which underwent some changes, the sanctuary was finally destroyed by the Romans, part of the western wall is still there, and one day the edifice will be rebuilt.

    When will it be rebuilt? According to Rashi, the clue comes in the verse (Ex. 15:17-18), “The sanctuary, O Lord, which Your hands set up: The Lord will reign for ever and ever” (Ex. 15:17-18). Rashi says that God’s hands will rebuild the sanctuary when the time comes that He reigns for ever and ever, i.e. when the Divine kingdom is established on earth.

    It will be the spiritual centre of all mankind. << NO THANKS! As Isaiah (2:2-3) and Micah (4:1-4) prophesy, all the nations will flock to it.

    Solomon specifies in his dedicatory prayer for the first Temple, “The foreigner who does not belong to the people of Israel” will come there to pray, and God will hear his prayer (I Kings 8:41-45).

    When that time comes the current occupiers will no longer have control over the site but will have the same opportunities as all religions to offer their prayers there.

    In the meantime it would help if the world acknowledged the historical importance of the sanctuary for Jews (and indeed for Christians who lack freedom to pray there). << no thanks!

    May the time soon come when God will be king over all the world and mankind will have a temple of peace in the city of peace.

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    Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

    Post by Strangelove on Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:39 pm

    When will the penny drop for Christians who preach an earthly kingdom that their agenda and that of zionist Christ hater talmudists are....IDENTICAL!

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    Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

    Post by zone on Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:31 pm

    Strangelove wrote:When will the penny drop for Christians who preach an earthly kingdom that their agenda and that of zionist Christ hater talmudists are....IDENTICAL!

    when the rapture doesn't happen and they stand before the Sanhedrin and have to take that Oath.
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    Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

    Post by ada on Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:45 pm

    When the rapture is a capture..
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    Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

    Post by zone on Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:38 pm

    Ada.
    they're really going to do it.
    they're going to take us to war with iran and syria.

    they're following the playbook to the letter.
    they are crazy. they hate the whole world.

    they plan to kill most of us and are genetically creating obedient slaves and violent police. just like they said they would.

    1 Thessalonians 2:15
    who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to all men
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    Gilad Atzmon: De-Zionification Now

    Post by zone on Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:27 pm

    http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/gilad-atzmon-de-zionification-now.html


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    Friday, July 29, 2011 at 4:12PM Gilad Atzmon






    "It (immigration) was a politically motivated attempt by ministers to transform the fundamental make-up and identity of this country (Britain). It was done to destroy the right of the British people to live in a society defined by a common history, religion, law, language and traditions."

    (Melanie Phillips, as quoted by mass murderer, Anders Breivik, in his manifesto)

    Melanie Philips, a rabid Zionist and the author of “Londonistan: How Britain is Creating a Terror State Within” is not happy to be singled out by Andres Breivik in his 1500 pages manuscript. Are they suggesting that “my writing provoked the mass murder of some 93 Norwegians?” she wonders righteously on her blog. I guess that Phillips knows the answer, as much as she knows how to play with words. But I will use this opportunity to reiterate it for her, and for the rest of us -- there certainly is a clear and strong resemblance between Breivik’s views and Philips’ writing. The most obvious and immediate comparison is that both oppose Islamic immigration and multiculturalism of course, but it goes much further in that both identify the enemy within the ‘left political circuit’.


    Breivik cites Philips’ take on Labour's immigration policy: "It was done to destroy for ever what it means to be culturally British and to put another 'multicultural' identity in its place."


    I should clearly state here that I do not think that Philips provoked Breivik’s murderous inclination. I also believe that Phillips is fully entitled to express her thoughts and ideas. Yet, it is surely reasonable to suspect that Phillips , amongst others, might have contributed to inspiring Breivik, ideologically and spiritually.





    Though Phillips writes on her blog that the “the forces of spite, malice and venom (within liberal media) have been unleashed in a terrifying display of irrationality,” it is obvious that it is completely rational to elaborate on the significant resemblance between Phillips’ and Breivik’s ideas.


    Jewish media outlets in Israel and around the world are already aware of the deeply worrying fact that Breivik wasinspired by right wing ideologies associated with Israel and Zionism. The JTA (The Global News Service Of The Jewish People) was quick to admit that numerous online postings, including Breivik’s, attack a “mishmash of anti-modern principles” that call for "the deportation of all Muslims from Europe as well as from the West Bank and the Gaza Strip." Whether we like it or not, this ‘mishmash’ of ‘global Islamophobia’ and Israeli expansionism is the true face of contemporary Zionism and Israeli ideology.


    And yet, there is a further central question that no one in the media has addressed yet: how is it that Melanie Philips is getting away with openly promoting vile Islamophobia in our midst ? How is it that she and other Zionists prevail ,exactly where the EDL and the BNP fail? Why is Melanie Phillips a celebrity, whilst the BNP’s Nick Griffin is regarded as a vile racist, and a social outcast? Similarly, I find myself wondering what on earth the board of ‘progressive’ Guardian editors had in mind when they nominated the Zionist, pro-war and openly Islamohopbic Harry’s Place as one of their favourite political blogs in 2005 -- bear in mind that The Guardian's nomination was made at more or less the same time that the very same Harry’s Place blog won the 'Annual Islamophobia Awards 2006,’ within the UK section of the Islamic Human Rights Commission's 'Annual Islamophobia Awards.'


    I believe that the answer is devastating: within our so called, liberal democratic, allegedly ‘tolerant’ discourse -- it is only right wing Jews who are entitled and allowed to spread xenophobia and hatred.





    This is hardly surprising, because unlike contemporary Westerners, who seem to be more than confused by their colonial heritage and notions such as nationalism, racism, expansionism, biological determinism, religion, and self-loving, Israel and Zionism actually celebrate all of these symptoms, in the open. It is far from surprising then, to see Israeli flags and Jewish symbols popping up in many far right gatherings in the UK and in other European countries, because Israel, it seems, makes racism look kosher.


    The shocking ideological resemblance of the thoughts and ideals of the fearsome mass murderer Breivik and mainstream Zionist advocates such Melanie Phillips, Daniel Pipes, David Horowitz, and Harry’s Place should surely be a bright red alert for any sensible humanist. If we want to save our society from being dragged into a violence with no end, we must de-Zionise every possible aspect of our culture, media and political institutions.
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    Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

    Post by Strangelove on Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:36 am

    “What renders Israel’s abuses unique throughout the world, is the relentless efforts to justify what cannot be justified.”

    - B’Tselem (The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories)

    Quote Credit: Norman Finkelstein (Beyond Chutzpah)

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    Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

    Post by Strangelove on Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:26 pm

    hmmm.....sinners prayer.

    You know I'm not a fan.

    http://www.forgottenword.org/decision.html

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    Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

    Post by zone on Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:56 am

    Yesha Leaders Write UN, ‘Bible Records Israel as Jewish Land’

    A letter to Ban Ki-moon from Yesha leaders explains that the Bible, the Quran and international accords prove Israel is the Land of the Jews.



    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/143897
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    Judaism: The Pain of Not Possessing All of Eretz Yisrael

    Post by zone on Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:06 am

    Judaism: The Pain of Not Possessing All of Eretz Yisrael

    Published: 28/07/11, 6:00 PM

    if a person truly loves something, they’d want it to be theirs, and no one else’s.

    Moshe Burt

    Moshe Burt is a commentator on news and events in Israel and Founder and Director of the Sefer Torah Recycling Network. He lives in Ramat Beit Shemesh. ► More from this writer

    Parsha Masei opens by recapping the events of B'nai Yisrael from Yetziyat Mitzrayim (leaving Egypt), through K'riyat Yam Suf (crossing the Reed Sea) as well as their travels in Bamidbar (in the desert) over the 40 years so that Am Yisrael will recall the trials and, hopefully, actuate the lessons learned.

    Following this recap, “Hashem spoke to Moshe… by the Jordan, at Yericho” (Artscroll Stone Chumash, Sefer BaMidbar, Perek 33, posuk 50) telling him to speak to the B’nai Yisrael and tell them:


    When you cross the Jordan to the land of Canaan, you shall drive out all of the inhabitants of the Land before you; and you shall destroy all their prostration stones; all of their molten images…. You shall possess the Land as an inheritance by lot to your families…. But if you do not drive out the inhabitants of the Land before you, those of them whom you leave shall be pins in your eyes and thorns in your sides, and they will harrass you upon the Land in which you dwell. And it shall be that what had meant to do to them, I shall do to you. (Artscroll Stone Chumash, Sefer BaMidbar, Perek 33, p’sukim 51-56, pages 922-923)

    Artscroll (page 923) then cites the Rashbam and follows with its own commentary;

    … If they fail to do so, they will suffer the fate Hashem had intended to impose upon the Canaanites, and be driven out.

    Only in the perspective of Hashem’s wisdom can this passage be understood. No human ruler has the right to decree that an entire population is to be… exiled, but Hashem revealed that the Canaanite presence was incompatible with both the Land’s holiness and Israel’s mission on earth. History is the most conclusive proof of this, for the fact was that the Jews could not bring themselves to eliminate all of the Canaanites, with the result that the Jews were drawn to idolatry, debauchery, and were in turn periodically oppressed and finally exiled.

    This author recalls a point discussed and sent out a couple of years ago at this time by that kiruv legend, Jeff Seidel regarding Parshat Pinchas:

    Parshat Pinchas relates a story (27:1-12) about the daughters of Tzlafchad, descendants of Yosef (Joseph). These daughters wanted and loved the Land of Israel so much that they wanted a piece of it. As Rav Moshe Feinstein asks, why do they have to have a claim in the land, just because they love it? Wouldn’t entering or living in the land be fulfilling enough?

    Rav Moshe thus concludes that if a person truly loves something, they’d want it to be theirs, and no one else’s. This is why the daughters wanted to actually own a piece of the land, rather than simply living in it. This logic applies to marriages, as well as the Torah’s preference that every Jew writes their own Torah (or a portion of it). In our terms, it’s not enough to borrow and read Jewish books. We need to love the Torah we read SO much that we feel the need to own it! As this week’s Parsha urges, we should not only seek, read and enjoy words of Torah, but we should OWN those books, and live those words!

    Suffice to say, that as this author understand’s R’Moshe, and as the title implies; passionate love of Eretz Yisrael = jealously possessing it as our own, rather than nonchalantly dropping our spent cigarette butts and empty soda cans on it or merely caring for and craving for one’s narrow personal comfort and sense of “the normal life” of the nations.

    If one could express possessing Eretz Yisrael as our own in human terms: if our land were a human being, one could embrace, hung, cling, possess and squeeze hard never letting go. We understand the Land as the physical, tangible manifestation of Hashem’s being and will.

    So, based on Rav Moshe’s axiom, a Jew possessing his Land, as if embracing it, seems the physical manifestation on earth of the spirituality of Torah, tefillah, chesed and cleaving to Hashem. And therefore, to one who passionately loves the Land, every inch of it is important — he is jealous for every inch of it and willing to fight for all of it, not just that one piece of the Land where he and his own live.

    Unfortunately, there is a small, numerically insignificant number who merely reside in Israel, the intelligencia, the elitists, some college and university professors, those with the bulk of the consolidated financial wealth, the ministerial engrained bureaucracies, the so-called "justice system" and the politicians; from the prime minister, to his cabinet, to members of Knesset, who have managed to brainwash, endoctrinate and force inculcate the masses with the lie of "Land for peace(sic)", inter-faith "dialogue, the "rights" of one's enemies -- either through attempting to erode and eradicate Torah in the land, or through the engrained Israeli mindset of "ein ma'alah sot" (there's nothing we can do).

    [note from zone: the above list of "problematic people" are the same the hardcore marxists always have to "deal with": that list is the same in every country where communism rules.....we know from history that group is the first to be "dealt with". what's disturbing is the openness of the hostile ideology now...they're going to have and are having trouble within]

    And so, because we seem not strong enough to possess the Land and to cause the enemy thieves, murderers and temporary "inhabitants" to leave, "those of them whom you leave shall be pins in your eyes and thorns in your sides, and they will harrass you upon the Land in which you dwell." How long will this go on? Will our collective weakness bring Hashem to actuate "what had meant to do to them, I shall do to you"?

    May we, the B’nai Yisrael merit that our brethren — the refugee families from Gush Katif be permanently settled and be made totally whole -- be totally restituted for all that was stolen from them at leftist-agendized, supreme court legalized gunpoint, that our dear brother Jonathan Pollard, captive Gilad Shalit and the other MIAs be liberated alive and returned to us in ways befitting Al Kiddush Hashem.

    May we have the courage to stand up to prevent the eviction of Jews from their homes and to prevent the handing of Jewish land over to anyone, let alone enemies sworn to Israel’s and Judaism’s destruction and eradication.

    May we fulfill Hashem’s blueprint of B’nai Yisrael as a Unique people — an Am Segula, not to be reckoned with as with “the nations” and may we be zocha to see the Moshiach, the Ge’ula Shlaima -- the Ultimate Redemption bim hay v’yameinu — speedily, in our time”, as Dov Shurin sings; “Ki Karov Yom Hashem V’Kol HaGoyim” —

    Achshav, Chik Chuk, Miyad, Etmol!!!
    Today, Now, Yesterday!!

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/10445

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    Doc:
    what does this part say?:

    as Dov Shurin sings; “Ki Karov Yom Hashem V’Kol HaGoyim
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    'Reviving Sanhedrin may help bridge gaps with Diaspora'

    Post by zone on Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:33 am

    'Reviving Sanhedrin may help bridge gaps with Diaspora'

    By GIL SHEFLER
    02/09/2011 03:53

    IDC scholars suggest system based on council of Jewish jurists could improve discourse between Jews in Israel and those around the world.

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    Powerful forces are tearing the Jewish world asunder, many observers warn. Some say the root cause is Israel’s alleged increasingly illiberal policies, others point toward assimilation or a weakening sense of Jewish identity in the Diaspora.

    Either way, almost everyone agrees there is a problem. What, then, can prevent Israel and the Diaspora from drifting apart? One creative proposal tabled at the Herzliya Conference on Monday suggests resurrecting an ancient Jewish body that hasn’t met, at least in a universally recognized form, in more than 1,600 years.

    According to a joint proposal penned by Interdisciplinary Center, Herzliya, academics Tommy Steiner, Maaike van der Brugghen and Lea Landman, a new Jewish council based on the Sanhedrin – a council of Jewish jurists that met in Judea until it was dissolved by the Roman emperor in 358 CE – could provide a better “framework” for discourse between Jews in Israel and those around the world. In its proposed reincarnation, the Sanhedrin consisting of Diaspora and Israelis leaders would advise Israeli politicians – although it would not have a direct part in the decision-making process.

    “A new Sanhedrin could be recognized as a consultative body to Israeli decision-makers, to the prime minister, the president, and the Knesset,” they wrote. “This institution should represent the diversity of opinions that exist in Israeli society and in the Diaspora, and should transmit those visions to the senior decision-makers in the only Jewish state in the world.”

    Steiner, who is also the Herzliya conference manager, is the first to admit there are massive hurdles that need be addressed before the idea comes to fruition.

    “The idea for such a new Sanhedrin is tabled not necessarily as a solution to a problem, but rather as a point of departure for a new dialogue,” the authors wrote.

    Indeed, questions such as how the Sanhedrin representatives would be elected or selected, and by which proportion its seats would be allocated to different communities, remain unanswered.

    The question of funding, however, is a simple one, Steiner said. The government would pay for it. At the end of the day, the proposal aims at stimulating debate that could help find a way to remedy the rift between Israel and the Diaspora.

    “Something has to change between Israel and the Diaspora, and there should be a forum that won’t only deal with education,” Steiner told The Jerusalem Post. “Will it solve all problems? No. But it might help.”

    There have been other efforts to revive the Sanhedrin, although with a much greater emphasis on religion. [z: translate: this time we need the political arm also = THEOCRACY] The latest effort was in 2004, when 71 rabbis claiming to represent varied communities in Israel undertook a ceremony in Tiberias, where the original Sanhedrin was disbanded.

    That group claimed to reestablish the body, based on the proposal of Maimonides and the Jewish legal rulings of Rabbi Yosef Karo.

    More about: Joseph ben Ephraim Karo, Interdisciplinary Center, Tiberias, Israel


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    Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

    Post by Strangelove on Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:22 pm

    Doc:
    what does this part say?:

    as Dov Shurin sings; “Ki Karov Yom Hashem V’Kol HaGoyim



    Erm.....somethin something....day of God and all the non-jews.

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    Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

    Post by zone on Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:25 pm

    Strangelove wrote:
    Erm.....somethin something....day of God and all the non-jews.

    well, given what we know i don't like the sounds of it.
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    Re: Zionism and the 'State of Israel'

    Post by zone on Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:40 pm

    Israel and The Sin of Expulsion [?] i thought Jesus said DESOLATE.

    The Implications and Consequences of Expulsion for the Jewish People

    by Moshe Burt

    A number of years ago, Rav Aba Wagensberg spoke out in a shiur that Sefer Devarim represents Moshe Rabbeinu’s Mussar to B’nai Yisrael as the time of his death drew near.

    He explained that near the end of Sefer BaMidbar, we began to see indications, via the story of Zelafchad’s daughters, as well as the desire of Sh’vatim Reuven and Gad to settle east of the Jordan, etc., that the B’nai Yisrael finally desired to accept Moshe Rabbeinu’s teachings and his Mussar which was meant to bring about the perfection of the Jewish people in emulation of the ways of Hashem as they were about to enter Eretz Yisrael.

    Rabbi Wagensberg gave over a thought that the B’nai Yisrael, after all of the rebellions, all of the contention, all of the failures which the rebellions and contention wrought, finally came to the collective, unequivocal realization that Moshe Rabbeinu, now in his final days on earth, was indeed Hashem’s annointed — the undisputed leader and that his words are the words of Hashem.

    R’ Wagensberg also made an analogy between the collective recognition of and desire for Moshe Rabbeinu’s leadership and mussar and the sequence of donning and removing the tefillin shel yad and shel rosh. He noted that the shel yad is donned first before the shel rosh and then, after tefillahs, the shel rosh is removed first and only afterwords the shel yad. The tefillin sequence equates with a person’s active learning of Jewish law (Halacha) and Jewish history and then, receiving Mussar concerning the practical, day-to-day real-time, real-life applications of what has been learned. So, in essence, the donning of the shel yad first, and the removal of it last equates with applying in the world outside what has been learned in Beit Knesset and/or the Beit Medrash.

    Every believing Jew, whatever his level, must take on day-to-day real-time, real-life reality application of his learning and translate it into his own righteous leadership mantle within the body of B’nai Yisrael, but without the contentiousness of a million generals.

    Every Jew, every Israeli must look deep within himself and come to true, consistent answers as to why he’s here, why there is a divine legacy to the Jews of Eretz Yisrael and how he relates to the murderous hatred of ALL Jews [? huh?] equally (religious and secular) by the Arab, Islamic nation, as well as the manifestations of hatred and loathing existent, to varying degrees, either on the surface, or just beneath the surface, throughout the gentile world throughout the nations. This murderous hate defies analysis, rationalization or attempts to remediate by way of misread (as weakliness) Israeli misguided, misdirected kindness, morality and desire for peace. And every Jew must similarly look deep within himself and come to terms with how he treats his fellow Jew — Bein Adam L’Chaveiro and whether it meets the spirit, the intent of V’Ahavta L’rei’echa Kamocha.

    http://www.sefer-torah.com/blog/2011/07/27/devarim-5771-bringing-true-jewish-leadership-and-taking-back-israel/

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    UNDER NOAHIDE LAW # 7: Commandment To Establish COURTS OF JUSTICE:
    subset Law #189

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    +189) To arouse hatred against the nation of Amalek












    Application to gentiles:Required
    Mandated punishment for violation:From Heaven
    Brief description:To recall verbally the evil acts and cruelties of the nation of Amalek, so as to arouse in oneself and others an unlimited hatred of the Amaleki people and everything they represent. This commandment is absolutely binding on gentiles, all the more so because Amalek constantly works to recruit or maneuver all gentiles into its war against G-d, and because it wages genocidal war against all mankind (see commandment +188 for an overview of the history of Amaleki revolution).
  • Rashi, Bemidbar 24:20; Devarim 25:18
    Amalek is the “reishis goyim” in that they lead and instigate the gentiles to wage war against G-d (thus gentiles must repudiate the evil Amalek causes them)
  • Rambam, Sefer HaMitzvos +189
    Jews must arouse all “b’nei Adam” (he includes gentiles by this term) to hate Amalek for its evil (implying gentiles should also arouse the hatred of Amalek).
    http://www.hasidicuniversity.org/index.php?page=hu_theocracy/th07_justice.htm
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