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Re: Johnny's Casual Chatter Thread

Post by Strangelove on Tue Jul 19, 2011 2:47 pm

You are falling into the trap JB.

I tell you with this with love, stay away from this bull its nothing but delusion and lies.

Its all part of the coming alien hoax designed to trip up Christians who are giving this stuff too much thought. It doesnt deserve a second of your time because its easily refuted.

Cain was concieved outside of the Garden by Adam and Eve. It's as simple as that. It's right here in genesis 4:1

And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

The sons of God are not fallen angels they are the believers descended from Seth who called on Gods name.

Theres no sci-fi serpent seed hornswaggle or angel human sex in the bible full stop. It's a slight on Gods Word to even talk about this rubbish. It all comes from false prophets and other charlatans like Arnold Murray. Heretics basically.

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Re: Johnny's Casual Chatter Thread

Post by Strangelove on Tue Jul 19, 2011 2:49 pm

ps Doc dont quote me , the cain business

then stop going on about it.

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Post by johnny botwright on Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:29 pm

for myself i see many christians throwing the baby out with the bath water,also missing the opportunity to listen and share with others, caught in that deception, having an under standing of the deception, can help you to be able to share with others,
so they can then become aware of the deception they are in. or cause them to question,

again not going on about cain, though i know at times even in scripture, some things are not as they first appear, some scripture to will be reveiled at a certain time, Daniel ect.

as for the sons of God, we,ll have to agree to disagree,

and im not falling into any trap, plenty going on in this world the spiritual realms.

not every thing meets the eye, many people are searching asking questions.

the fields are white unto harvest, mulitudes in the valley of decision.

many to are being led up the garden path along the yellow brick, hopefully they will encounter a few christians along the way.



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Re: Johnny's Casual Chatter Thread

Post by Strangelove on Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:37 pm

johnny botwright wrote:as for the sons of God, we,ll have to agree to disagree,

Fine, if you wanna believe in gnostic claptrap from the book of Enoch zup to you. Its greek demigodic mythology though. Just sayin....and a perversion of Gods Word. Aperverted perversion at that.

Notice from Gen 6 that there WERE giants (can mean bully's or tyrants) BEFORE the sons of God mated with the daughters of men. This also refutes the faulty doctrine.

(Genesis 6:4) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Angels dont procreate:

(Matthew 22:30) For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

They are spiritual beings with no physical body....obviously making it impossible to procreate with humans.

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Re: Johnny's Casual Chatter Thread

Post by johnny botwright on Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:25 pm

some have entertained strangers have entertained angels,

bodly form, not just spirit.

Did Jesus change his form, at times he was not reconized, even by those who knew him,

When the men of sodom wanted to know those who entered a mans house, the man said do not touch these, here are my daughters.

again Doc you keep telling me, what im doing, which is not the case, making suggestions that are no ware near correct or ware im at.

i think you have missed the whole point of this thread. is how much interaction is there between this realm and the spiritual realm, what plans are being forged, by principaliries and powers of darkness that are coming together at this time, making ready not only a strong dellusion, but a world under the control of satan, the anti christ, the beast, many see the storm clouds gathering.

its seeing how far the rabbit hole goes, this is not as you put it, dismiss, out their stuff, but a clear and present danger.
As for gaints they are as tall of ceeders, we are as grasshoppers in their sight,

whats your thoughts on people being micro chipped for instance,

do you think people around you are being bombarded more from every direction, their sences made dull, controled, manipulated, more easily,
are you aware of how much deception is being peddled. its influence.

if you havnt noticed its full on. johnny


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Re: Johnny's Casual Chatter Thread

Post by johnny botwright on Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:00 pm

often posts over lap, there is a conection between events in the old testement, Gaints, different things that have been discovered, ie a cemetery of Gaint creatures, im sure other such things have been discovered.
people ask what does this mean.

how does this tie in with the spiritual realm. ufo,s , crop circles, a strong dellusion, this thread was posted on a non christian site, David Icke's Official Forums any number of theorys are put forward, so a good opportunity to share ,

for example today in the general forum, at this forum, post does satan drive a BMW or the post urgent some one please get this to David icke,

again i do not hold with the teachings of david icke, but one of the busiest forums online, the truth movement , christian input is welcome.

MYSTERY Much of what is happening

For myself its about control manipulation, trying to keep us from the truth, as its said the real truth sets us free,

so instead we are continualy presented , the deception gets stronger , more sophisticated, to keep us in darkness

the aim to make us believe black is white, a lie is the truth,

though we are not in darkness. but many are.

and the whole world we goes after the beast

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Re: Johnny's Casual Chatter Thread

Post by Strangelove on Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:25 am

some have entertained strangers have entertained angels,

Did Jesus change his form, at times he was not reconized, even by those who knew him,

When the men of sodom wanted to know those who entered a mans house, the man said do not touch these, here are my daughters.

So?

again Doc you keep telling me, what im doing, which is not the case,
making suggestions that are no ware near correct or ware im at.

i
think you have missed the whole point of this thread. is how much
interaction is there between this realm and the spiritual realm, what
plans are being forged, by principaliries and powers of darkness that
are coming together at this time, making ready not only a strong
dellusion, but a world under the control of satan, the anti christ, the
beast, many see the storm clouds gathering.

its seeing how far the rabbit hole goes, this is not as you put it, dismiss, out their stuff, but a clear and present danger.

The stuff you are going after IS the strong delusion. All this supernatural hybrid DNA giant monsters bull is exactly the type of thing satan is creating to draw Christians away from the truth of His Word.

As for gaints they are as tall of ceeders, we are as grasshoppers in their sight

No not ARE.....WERE...there WERE "giants" in those days.


whats your thoughts on people being micro chipped for instance,

I think its a feint. I dont think microchips are gonna be the mark.

do you think people around you are being bombarded more from every
direction, their sences made dull, controled, manipulated, more easily,
are you aware of how much deception is being peddled. its influence.

if you havnt noticed its full on.

Yes I'm aware....are you? Are you aware that this gnostic mythology that you seem to be obsessive about is part of that control and manipulation? Is it a possibility?

often posts over lap, there is a conection between events in the old
testement, Gaints, different things that have been discovered, ie a
cemetery of Gaint creatures, im sure other such things have been
discovered.
people ask what does this mean.

Wheres these giant creatures? Wheres the pictures? Did the people who discovered these things have cameras?

how does this tie in with the spiritual realm. ufo,s , crop circles, a
strong dellusion, this thread was posted on a non christian site, David Icke's Official Forums any number of theorys are put forward, so a good opportunity to share

It's a good opportunity to be manipulated into spreading horse manure on Christian forums.

for example today in the general forum, at this forum, post does satan
drive a BMW or the post urgent some one please get this to David icke,

??

again i do not hold with the teachings of david icke, but one of the
busiest forums online, the truth movement , christian input is welcome.

MYSTERY Much of what is happening

No mystery its all pretty obvious.

For myself its about control manipulation, trying to keep us from the truth, as its said the real truth sets us free,

so instead we are continualy presented , the deception gets stronger , more sophisticated, to keep us in darkness

the aim to make us believe black is white, a lie is the truth,

Ok...now you have a good long think about what you just said. All the unbiblical stuff you've been going on about in this thread...sophisticated isn't it?

though we are not in darkness. but many are.

and the whole world we goes after the beast

johnny

Have a think about it.

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Re: Johnny's Casual Chatter Thread

Post by johnny botwright on Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:52 am

again Doc total misrepresentation from your self ,having an understanding, insight, is niether, obssesive, niether does it take you away from God, as you wrongly suggest.

The Lord often shew his people what was going on, even behind closed doors.
expose the works of darkness, the deception.

the purpose of the thread was to explore , much of what is coming to light, aliens , ufo, some speak of a false flag, ufo invasion, crop circles

project blue beam, Haarp, the technical advances, micro chips ,manipulation, mind control, by electrical means, frequencies ect, the use of drugs, chemicals, a virus , to make people more compliant.

the increased activity between this realm and the spiritual realm, or increased accounts of people who say they have ecounted spiritual beings , from this realm.
sexual encounters? dna, is this possable, what are demons, where do they come from,
are they the same as fallen angels. ect

no shortage of sites on line, how to have sex with a demon,
Incubus a male demon who took on the illusionary appearence of a male, a medieval nunn claimed she had been sexualy assaulted by a local prelate,

Bishop Sylvanus , the bishop defended him self on the grounds that an incubus had taken on his form,
The convent believed his word.

Succabus a demond who could take on the illusary appearence of a female.
Sabbat where during rituals and orgys witches, warlocks, satanist, are possessed by unclean spirits demons.


is it written in scripture revelations? that in the end times people will have sex with demons? i havnt found any thing yet.

principalities and powers spiritual wickedness in high places, human hosts, within goverment and the milatary, ?

cliams that alien dna has been discovered in some human dna,?

how all of this is connected, for example many more sightings of ufo,s in broad day light , over populated area,s cities.

what may be used to bring about a strong dellusion,
many now believe in aliens and ufo,s all the films recently to, some stating this nullifies the claims of the bible, and creation, the creator.

again alot more has come to light, regarding secret societys, illuminati, the forming of a world goverment, so the inner circle , financial and ruling elite, council of 13 , the council of 33, the high priests if you like,

power full people in powerfull postions of authority, doing the will of their masters, who in turn serve Lucifer, satan.

The Bilderberg group recently in the spot light, many claiming the main agenda of the inner circle shadow goverment, is the depopulation of the planet, by one means or another, conflict, viruses, food shortages, weather manipulation, earth quakes volcano,s Haarp, ect

and their control and influence spreading growing

if you feel discussing any of the above is horse manure, again i have to disagree, to state if you look into these things you are being decieved, and part of the deception, and these matters, that seem to be more and more connected, should not be given one second of our time, is a bit short sighted to say the least,

which im suprised, coming from your self, closed shop menality christian forums, i under stand, here i thought may be different, because of your earlier statements, ie discuss, as long as its non anti christ, ect

and again many are asking what does all this mean, combined with present global events, many feeling over whelmed, so being able to share with them why many of these things are taking place, infact speeding up,

and what is at stake. to warn them, a lot more people are willing now to listen, consider , as at present they have more questions than answers.
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Re: Johnny's Casual Chatter Thread

Post by Strangelove on Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:00 pm

Ok I've got no problem with discussing anything you mention in your last post but I was trying to get to the bottom of your claims that the bible shows angel/human sex and serpent seed theology.

Spill your brains out Johnny...go for it bud....but the minute you start using God's Word I'm gonna be there. I wont have perversion of scripture to support sci-fi and mythology, I will fight that.

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Post by johnny botwright on Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:28 pm

loaded as usual, as stated its more about several things now coming together, not to hard to see the conection between them, johnny
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Post by Strangelove on Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:30 pm

Huh?

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Post by johnny botwright on Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:01 pm

youre right Doc its all myths and sci-fi not to mention fairy tales.

secret societys, nwo, ufo,s crop circles, aliens, demons and angels, strong dellusion.
ect
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To infinity and beyond, zero.

Post by johnny botwright on Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:34 am

To infinity and beyond, breaking the code,

I was watching a program on maths, the chinnese didnt have a zero, 0 so had big problems with 10 100 1000 ect

though they had the magic number square were each colum added up to 15.

roman numerals,ect maths kept evolving,

i dont normaly watch math programes, the reason i did, was looking at crop circles, and there used to be an amazing post on this forum, this guy was showing using numbers all these amazing patterns that came into being.

zero 0 a circle represented infinity, take a circle you can half it, quarter, one tenth, and you can just keep going.

crop circles seeing these amazing patterns , has got me thinking , think infinety , youre in infinity, unlimited possabilities, where any thing is possable.

when we think how limited we have become, the opposite.

when you think we are on this earth floating through space, with unlimited opportunity, and we are limited by systems goverments, that for the best part dont even work.

im still trying to understand the implications of this revelation, if it is a revelation, and its implications,

i havnt done this buzz light years thing before, but im going to try and grasp infinity and beyond.
the reality. combined with faith.
some intresting view points at the general forum, David Icke's Official Forums

post to infinety and beyond.

Im fortunate that i was once caught up into heaven, in the spirit, from here to there moments not hours.

i found my self sitting alone in a Green Palace room.

the room was a lovely mint green colour. soft on the eyes.

I was filled with the fullness of Gods spirit, and experenced the imortality.

as we will be in eternity.

Jesus also mentions referring to receiving the Gift of the Holy spirit, that out of our inner most being will flow rivers of living water.

Jesus says he is the true vine, and as branches we can be grafted into the true vine, draw apon the infinate life force of the vine.

And will bear fruit, and the Gifts of the spirit.

to share with those around us,

The other thing i was changed instantly, in a moment a twinkling of an eye, the mortal to inmortal,

The first miracle Jesus did was turn water into wine and a very good wine.

what i experenced in the spiritual realm stayed with me for several moments

when i returned to this realm, also i have never felt so much love flowing over me, and through me.

it was as if we are the water , and by Gods spirit we can be turned into wine.

we can live in the box, but we are not limited to the box,

Jesus tells us any any thing we ask, in his name, believing we will recieve if we have faith the size of a mustard seed, we can move mountains,
i bit like we right out the cheque for others our self, ie, healing, peace , strength, any given situation,

and Jesus signs it, he has unlimited credit,
As we pray, visualize, meditate, contemplate, what would you ask for , and like to see happen, bought into being.
what is our true potential ?
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Post by Strangelove on Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:38 am

The issue was angel/human sex and serpent seed and your use of the bible to support them.

Thats the only thing I have a problem with. Totally unsupported by scripture, science and logic.

You dont need to play the victimized dreamer here Johnny.

Yes, UFO's..crop circles and aliens are all part of the strong delusion. They are all man made.

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Post by Strangelove on Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:55 am

ADMIN>>>MERGED JOHNNYS THOUGHTS.

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Post by johnny botwright on Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:32 am

As ive stated Doc its not a crime to ask questions, discuss matters,

if some people i saw on a forum discuss the serpent seed theory.

did the fall come because Eve ate an apple, cain was Adam and eves son fair enough.

this is the official story, line, belief, at times the official story in worldy terms is not the real story,

It was said Jesus was the son of Joseph, the official line, true in one sence, but not correct in another.

Abraham presented a reality to some, that his wife was his sister, the official line, but was not the real, reality.

As for the sons of God who came into the daughters of men, personaly i do not believe, they were men as you i, nor their off spring.

and for some one who claims being accurate is key,

every statement you make regarding my self, accusation, is any thing but, rather like chewing at a nat, but swallowing a camel.

one loaded statement after another,

In every topic i have raised, there is and should be a christian view point, perspective,alteretive view, you can share, if you like these topics realities are one side of the coin, on the other is the truth, its just flipping the coin at the right time.


like wise a dog may drop a bone for a steak,

God also at certain times used and sent an evil spirit. some thing to ponder

My ways are not your ways, my thoughts are not your thoughts, in the box, but also out side of the box.

christians fall into the trap if you like of trying to keep others in the box, where they find them selves, but theres much more.

again i was putting forward how many things presently in play, are conected,that could be part of the strong dellusion, most of which for one reason or another, you dismissed,though its right in your face.

some ones done a good job, magic whitch craft is cool, ufo aliens are real, its cool to take drugs, and enter the spiritual realm and interact with spirits there, open your self up.
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Post by Strangelove on Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:38 am

The bible tells us everything we need to know.

God told us all things. Thats the "official line".

If you dont believe it thats your problem.

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Post by johnny botwright on Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:53 am

Again who said i didnt believe it, through the dark ages, or when the bible was written in latin, most people could not read or write,
countries today, many which ware believers have very limited access to scripture, does God have a plan B ie being led by the spirit,

The letter can kill, but the spirit can make alive.

The bible says God will send a strong dellusion, dosnt tell us what that dellusion will be, but we have discernment
, what is the abomination, who is the whore, harlot, what is the mark,SOME THINGS REMAIN CONCEALED STILL A MYSTERY TO US.
God can also reveal a matter,
will there be economic melt down, collapse, if and when we need to prepare, for the coming days, ect

how many times were the elders offended by some thing Jesus said or done or the company he kept, how many times did they accuse him, try and trip him up, trap him,even using the word of God.
he just wasnt in their box.

he wasnt a white washed seplecure full of dead mens bones.
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Re: Johnny's Casual Chatter Thread

Post by Strangelove on Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:01 am

If that stuff is still a mystery to you then you need to search God's Word for the answers. Its all there.

Jesus said dont worry about food or clothing. So why are you fretting over financial collapses and your preperations? Faith in Christ is the only thing we need to strive for. If you enjoy philosophying over patterns and connections in world events...fine, but if you try and use Gods Word to support wonky theories I will contest it.

Example. You muse over serpent seed and use scripture to support it. I show you how the theory is impossible according to the scriptural fact that cain was conceived to adam and eve outside the garden, then you admit to this and concede serpent seed cannot be true.

See how it works? We search Gods Word for the answers and MUST submit to the official line. In this way we get to the truth.

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Re: Johnny's Casual Chatter Thread

Post by johnny botwright on Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:38 am

who said im freting, was it not revealed to Joseph there were seven good years to prepare for 7 lean years , there are things we can put in place, things God will put in place,
again with the above youre making untrue statements, i cannot remeber ever saying i agreed or disagreed.

admitted or conceeded. ?
ive seen many people debating scripture, searching scripture on any number of topics, that come to different conclusions,

tribulation, rapture, the gifts of the spirit and so the list could go on.


The doctrine of Serpent seed, dual seed or two-seedline is a controversial doctrine according to which the serpent in the Garden of Eden mated with Eve, and the offspring of their union was Cain. This belief is still held by some adherents of the Christian Identity theology, who claim that the Jews, as descendants of Cain, are also descended from the serpent.[1][2] The idea has also existed in several other non-racial contexts, and major proponents include Daniel Parker (1781–1844),[3] William M. Branham (1909–1965)[4] and Arnold Murray (1929- ). However, Murray teaches that the Kenites (and not the Jews) were the offspring of Cain. Murray teaches that the Jews descended from Adam through Seth and so on.[5]
The doctrine that Eve mated with the serpent, or with Satan, to produce Cain also appears in early Gnostic writings such as the Gospel of Philip (c. 350); however, this teaching was explicitly rejected as heresy by Irenaeus (c. 180) and later mainstream Christian theologians. A similar doctrine appeared in Jewish midrashic texts in the 9th century and in the Kabalah. It is considered a false doctrine by mainstream Protestant denominations.[6][7] Catholic theologians point to the fact that the Bible states that the original sin is that of Adam and Eve eating a forbidden fruit.[8]

The Serpent Seed idea appears in a 9th century book called Pirke De-Rabbi Eliezer.[9] Rabbi David Max Eichhorn, in his book Cain: Son of the Serpent, traces the idea back through early Jewish Midrashic texts and identifies many rabbis who taught that Cain was the son of the union between the serpent and Eve.[9] Some Kabbalist rabbis also believe that Cain and Abel were of a different genetic background than Seth. This is known among Kabbalists as "The Theory of Origins".[10] The theory teaches that God created two "Adams"(Adam means MAN in Hebrew). To one he gave a soul and to the other he did not give a soul. The one without a soul is the creature known in Christianity as the serpent. The Kabbalists call the serpent Nahash (nahash means serpent in Hebrew). This is recorded in the Zohar:


"Two beings [Adam and Nachash] had intercourse with Eve, and she conceived from both and bore two children. Each followed one of the male parents, and their spirits parted, one to this side and one to the other, and similarly their characters. On the side of Cain are all the haunts of the evil species; from the side of Abel comes a more merciful class, yet not wholly beneficial -- good wine mixed with bad."(Zohar 136)
In The Scofield Study Bible Scofield says, "The serpent, in his Edenic form, is not to be thought of as a writhing reptile. That is the effect of the curse (Gen. 3:14). The creature which lent itself to Satan may well have been the most beautiful as it was the most "subtle" of creatures less than man".[11] Scofield's notes are silent as to the idea of Cain being the serpent's seed, however in Genesis 6:2 his notes claimed that while it was an "error" to believe that the offspring mentioned were the product of supernatural unions, it was instead the intermarriage of the "godly line of Seth" with the "godless line of Cain" being referred to.[12] Advocates suggest that modern Christian translations of the Old Testament reduce emphasis on this concept, which they believe indicated the serpent had been an upright, human-like creature.
The foundational scripture for the serpent's seed doctrine appears in Genesis 3:15, which in the King James Version states "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." Advocates interpret this literally to mean that an offspring of the Serpent via Eve would eventually lose in a mortal conflict with one of "her seed". Eve's son by Adam would have presumably been called "Adam's seed" so it has been suggested, since a woman does not naturally produce seed, that "her seed" is the first prophesy of an eventual human messiah produced by means of a virgin birth. Adherents believe this sets up the serpent's seed as a antitype to Jesus Christ.
Advocates also point out that in Genesis 4:1-2 it is mentioned only once that Adam "knew" his wife, yet twice it is mentioned that she "bare" sons (see, heteropaternal superfecundation). Advocates also believe an unmentioned act of infidelity is implied by reproductive and marital curses placed on Eve in Genesis 3:16, that otherwise seem inappropriate to merely eating a forbidden fruit. St. Paul seems to suggest as much in 2 Corinthians 11:2-3, where he may have implied that Eve was not a chaste virgin at the time Adam first had relations with her: "For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted..."
In the New Testament epistle of 1 John, ch. 3 v. xii it also states, "Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother." John also recorded in his gospel (8:44) that Christ said, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him." These passages, if taken literally as they are by advocates, seem to suggest that the New Testament writers believed that Cain, the first murderer, was indeed the serpent's seed.
The doctrine that Eve mated with the serpent, or with Satan, to produce Cain, has been taught in various forms for thousands of years, and it finds its earliest expression in Gnostic writings (e.g., the Gospel of Philip) and especially in Manichaean doctrines; however, it was soundly rejected by mainstream Christian theologians such as Irenaeus [13] in the 2nd century, and St. Augustine in the 4th century.
More recent variants are central to the beliefs of Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit Predestinarian Baptists founded by Daniel Parker. Other variations occur in the Christian Identity movement. Some of these groups appear to use the doctrine as a rationalization for racist beliefs. One of the largest, but non-denominational, groups that believe in a form of the serpent seed doctrine are the followers of Branhamism who are documented to number over 1,500,000.
[edit] The doctrine


The doctrine of the Serpent's Seed is followed by several minor Christian groups, the followers of Branhamism, Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit Predestinarian Baptists, and some of the Christian Identity Movement among others. There are variations and differences between these groups but the basic belief is that the Original Sin was an act of sexual intercourse between Adam and Eve and, prior to that act, Eve was sexually seduced by the serpent and committed sexual intercourse with the serpent; further, that Cain was conceived by the act with the serpent and Abel by the act with Adam.
The main variations are on the aftereffects of the act. Some proponents believe that the serpent was Satan himself.[14] Others believe that the serpent was an animal being influenced by Satan.[15] Another key difference is in the descendants of Cain. Some believe that the two lines remained separate and that eventually Cain's descendants were all destroyed, others believe that Cain's descendants became completely mixed with the descendants of Adam (meaning that all humanity is partially descended from Cain),[16] and still others believe that the two lines remain separate to this day.[17] Finally others disagree whether sex itself was the original sin[18] or if the original sin was sex for pleasure rather than sex for reproduction.[19]
The following points and scriptures are largely agreed upon by all proponents to be the basis of the Serpent Seed doctrine, although variations do occur as mentioned above.

  • The Two Trees. The starting point of the discussion is usually on the two trees, the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (Gen. 2:10). Proponents note the difference between the "trees that grow out the ground" as opposed to "the trees in the midst of the garden". This is used to indicate the two trees are not physical trees but principles (e.g. ideas, rules).[20][21] They also point to Rev. 2:7 and Rev. 22:2, where the Tree of Life is now in heaven to show that the two trees are not the same kind of trees that grow on Earth but instead are something spiritual. Furthermore they point out that since man was given the tree of knowledge by their choice it should still be visible somewhere in the world today, which they claim is the overt sexuality of society.
  • The Serpent, Gen. 3. The serpent in its original form was a creature capable of speech, and it had not yet at that point been cursed to go "upon [its] belly"; thus some proponents claim that the "serpent" was originally an upright human-like creature.[22] Some proponents claim the serpent was intended to be used for manual labor and therefore was made to look like a man but was not given a soul.[23] The chapter states that the serpent "beguiled" Eve. In Early Modern English this word literally meant to seduce or lead astray.[24]


  • Sex. In the Bible, the sexual act is always obliquely referenced in Moses' writings. It is always referred to discreetly, such as "knowing". Similarly in Proverbs 30:20, it states "such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness." This is used as evidence that the trees and the fruit are just another cryptic way to describe sex.
  • The Punishment, Gen. 3. Proponents also point to the punishment to show that the act was sexual. When Adam and Eve sinned they covered their genitals, not their mouths, indicating they sinned not with their mouths but with their genitals. The punishment God put on them also affected sexual reproduction: He caused the woman to have menstrual cycles and to have increased pain in childbirth. God's curse also put enmity between the descendants of Adam (e.g., Abel) and the descendants of the serpent (e.g., Abel's murderer Cain).[25]
  • The Birth, Gen. 4. At the birth of Cain, Eve said "I have gotten a man from the Lord." Proponents claim that in the remaining two pre-Flood chapters, Adam's descendants are called the "sons of God", not "men",[26] while the word "men" refers solely to the descendants of Cain. Eve was also called "the mother of all living" (Gen. 3:20), but Adam was not similarly called "the father of all living".
  • The Offspring, Gen. 4. Cain and Abel were of different occupational backgrounds. Abel tended the flocks and Cain tilled the ground. Proponents claim these traits were inherited from their fathers; Adam was to rule over the animals and the serpent was intended to tend the Garden of Eden. Another difference between them was that Abel, being of pure birth, knew how to give a proper sacrifice to God. Cain, not being pure, did not know how to give a proper sacrifice, he only knew he needed to give one, indicating he was only inherited a portion of the knowledge that Abel had inherited. His impurity was also displayed by his jealousy and murder of Abel, some proponents argue that these are not traits God would have created in Adam and Eve and could not have been inherited from them.
  • The Two Lines of Descent. Gen. 4–5. Some proponents claim that because the two lines of descent are recorded separately it indicates they were somehow different. It notes how the developments in Cain's sides were all negative (e.g. Lamech's declaration in Gen. 4:23 that "I have slain a man to my wounding"[27]) But in Seth's line (Gen. 5) nothing is mentioned of anything evil, and each patriarch "begat sons and daughters". Ultimately, the two lines intermarry (Gen. 6:4: "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."), and God then destroyed the world with a flood.[28] Proponents also point to the biological principal of heterosis being evidenced in the offspring of the interbreeding of the two lines being giants.


  • Christ. Ultimately Seth's line leads to Jesus, who was born of a virgin. Proponents point to the fact that all humanity was impure and therefore incapable of "breeding" a "pure" Son of God as the reason Christ had to be born of a virgin. Many proponents claim that Christ was born in the same state that Adam was created: perfect and without sin. They claim he had to be created by God in order for him to be pure and to be the "perfect sacrifice".[15][29][30]


  • Parable of the Tares. Regardless of the understanding of the Serpent Seed based on the book of Genesis, many who believe in the doctrine hold that one of the most important evidences for the doctrine comes from Jesus unfolding the revelation the Parable of the Tares. In this parable Jesus confirmed there were two distinct children present in the world until the end.

[edit] Christian Identity movement


Adherents of the white supremacist theology known as Two-Seedline Christian Identity hold that white people are descendants of Adam and are hence the chosen people of God. The Jewish people are said to be descendants of Cain and thus of Satan. This belief was developed by Wesley A. Swift, Conrad Gaard and William Potter Gale among others.[31] The opposing faction is called One-Seedline Christian Identity and holds that all people are descended from Adam, but only Aryans (here meaning Northern Europeans) are truly God's people.[1][2][32][33]
[edit] William Branham's teachings


William Branham was not the first to preach the doctrine of serpent seed, but he was one of the major proponents of the doctrine in modern times. Branham was the most widely known minister of the 20th century to actually teach serpent seed and much of its spread can be attributed to him. William Branham taught that the fall of mankind resulted from Eve having sexual intercourse with an upright Beast, man-like in appearance, whom Adam had named 'Serpent'.[34]
Because of his wide acclaim in the late 1940s and throughout the 1950s, Branham was widely followed in Charismatic and Pentecostal movements and to a lesser degree by Methodists and Baptists. His meetings, held all over the world, were attended by hundreds of thousands of people which gave him a very large audience. This popularity and influence gave him the best platform of all adherents of the serpent seed doctrine to spread it to the masses. Although he did not regularly espouse the doctrine in front of his largest audiences his belief in the doctrine was not kept secret and he did preach several sermons on it in smaller meetings.
Branham was well aware of the potential connections of the doctrine to racism but he tried to show that his belief was not racially targeted. ("He Cares, Do You Care?", 21 July 1963). He tried to show that although he believed the doctrine he did not think it was a basis for racism,[35] never applying his understanding to any ethnic group or race.


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Post by johnny botwright on Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:30 pm

So Doc are you the final authority in this world, on the interpretation of Gods word.

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Post by Strangelove on Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:47 am

johnny botwright wrote:So Doc are you the final authority in this world, on the interpretation of Gods word.

johnny

No Gods Word is the final authority, and Gods Word says Cain was conceived by Adam and Eve outside the Garden of Eden....so the question is...even after you have already conceded that Cain must be Adams son and not the serpents...WHY are you still posting perverted dung like serpent seed doctrine?

We've already refuted it from scripture and yet you are coming back to it?

The reason is that you are moving away from the clear meaning of Gods Word and descending into mysticism and gnosticism, using mans subjective and philosophical nature to alter the clear meaning of scripture. A dangerous game.

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Post by johnny botwright on Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:03 am

again doc your statements are loaded and not accurate, as you insinuate,in every post, niether have i conseded , i do not hold with people labled hertics were because Rome said they were.

or that people claim they have had sexual encounters with beings from the spiritual realm, some thing to you dismiss as not possable?.
again i have not drawn a conclusion to these claims.

theres a bigger question , for my self, there are those who claim they have had sexual encounters weather in this realm, or the spiritual realm,with beings, non human, or when they claimed they were abducted, an encounter of the third kind,

claims to have been made that foreign, alien dna has been found in some human dna, ?

ive heard a person claim while he was in black opps, was given dolphine dna,

again raisers the questions of hybrids. like wise gaints the height of ceeders in the old testement, nephillin,

remains are said to have been found, that raisers the question about the above. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlnI63Yk8xQ



plenty of sites online telling how to have sex with demons,



like wise every thing called herresy is it?, i havnt drawn a conclusion, i can under stand why people on both sides of the debate regarding the serpent seed have drawn their conclusion, both feel they have done so based on Gods word, the scriptures,

this belief for some, has been held to be a more accurate account regarding the fall of man kind, down through the ages, found in anciet jewish texts, the gospel of phillip,ect believed to by some very prominent people and still is believed by many today.


which as mentioned i have seen in any number of debates regarding scripture, different topics, were people draw different conclusions, johnny
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Post by Strangelove on Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:17 pm

Some people claim Elvis is alive and living on the moon.

Time to investigate and muse on this one Johnny. Maybeez find some scriptural support for it?

C'mon man be open minded...we clearly need to invest time thinking about this. I mean.....

......I'VE HEARD SOMEONE CLAIM IT!!!

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Post by johnny botwright on Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:04 pm

im sure doc if you wanted elvis living on the moon you could manipulate it to be so. johnny
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Post by Strangelove on Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:00 am

johnny botwright wrote:im sure doc if you wanted elvis living on the moon you could manipulate it to be so. johnny

Well, according to your answer on the Yes/No thread on the topic you would think that me manipulating that to be so would be acceptable Christian behaviour so....?....?...?

Lolz..you asked a question in your thread title and then asked the inverse of that question in the actual post. Your just a hub of confusion right now JB.

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Post by johnny botwright on Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:41 am

another false statement doc, if you cannot see a combination of events that are connected, the modern mind set, what is now precieved to be true, accepted as cool, people being primed, conditioned.

events that you dismiss and state should not be given one second of our time. that any one who considers what is taken place, as people accept, and are lead further down the path of deception, strong delusion.
Encasing the hearts and minds of men with control and dellusion.

you make any number of inaccurate and false statements regarding such people , my self included. It is you to be pitied not i , short sighted.
Even to prepare is wrong in your eyes, for what is coming.


as principalities of darkness spiritual wickeness in high places, continue to prepare the anti christ system,through those who serve satan,also in high places, in postion of power and authority, for the beast to take centre stage

my answer on the yes no thread to your post aliens, was that you had asked the wrong question.

to my question i said yes meant no, and no meant yes, and answer yes, which meant no,

you had answered no, but your conduct would suggest if you were truth full, and honest with your self, you should have answered yes, the paradox.

so clear as a bell, johnny
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johnny botwright wrote:another false statement doc, if you cannot see a combination of events that are connected, the modern mind set, what is now precieved to be true, accepted as cool, people being primed, conditioned.

events that you dismiss and state should not be given one second of our time. that any one who considers what is taken place, as people accept, and are lead further down the path of deception, strong delusion.
Encasing the hearts and minds of men with control and dellusion.

you make any number of inaccurate and false statements regarding such people , my self included. It is you to be pitied not i , short sighted.
Even to prepare is wrong in your eyes, for what is coming.

as principalities of darkness spiritual wickeness in high places, continue to prepare the anti christ system,through those who serve satan,also in high places, in postion of power and authority, for the beast to take centre stage

Yet again I say....I'm not against you musing over patterns in events happening on Earth. I've been defending you for 2 years on that score while others scoffed and ridiculed you.

I'm against you perverting Gods Word. Which you have just now started to do. 2 seperate things. I dismissed your serpent seed doctrine using scripture. You cant handle that coz you thought it deserved thought, so you continue to fight for it. Thats called PRIDE.

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my answer on the yes no thread to your post aliens, was that you had asked the wrong question.

to my question i said yes meant no, and no meant yes, and answer yes, which meant no,

you had answered no, but your conduct would suggest if you were truth full, and honest with your self, you should have answered yes, the paradox.

so clear as a bell, johnny

LOLZ!
Ya totally clear Johnny! drunken

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Post by johnny botwright on Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:46 am

nothing to do with pride, so wrong again, the serpent seed belief has been around for thousands of years ,

still believed today, two seeds- two off spring, two lines, ect, so not wrong in this claim that some believe that cain was satans off spring seed,

Again there are those who believe that the Nephillin were the off spring of the union between fallen angels and the daughters of men,

what was being discussed was has there been sexual interaction between human and non human life forms,

and were such discoveries claimed to be found , a product, evidence of this, hybrids,

and this all played as mentioned in my last post. ie, foriegn dna is claimed to have been found in human dna?

again genetic engineering, what is really being created behind closed doors, what are the possabilities.

we see the abyss opened and the creatures that emerge some having human and animal features,

we see in heaven not just angels, but for instance creatures covered in eyes,

Doc maybe you should open yours,
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Post by Strangelove on Sat Jul 23, 2011 6:26 pm

Johnny...

Do you or do you not agree that scripture makes it clear Cain was conceived outside the Garden by Adam and Eve and that he was given to them by God not Satan.

Can we just get a clear and lucid answer out of you please on that?

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