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Post by zone on Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:37 pm

Al-Qaeda...ho hum

The War on Terror is a Hoax

By Paul Craig Roberts

February 04, 2009
Information Clearinghouse" -- - According to US government propaganda, terrorist cells are spread throughout America, making it necessary for the government to spy on all Americans and violate most other constitutional protections. Among President Bush’s last words as he left office was the warning that America would soon be struck again by Muslim terrorists.

If America were infected with terrorists, we would not need the government to tell us. We would know it from events. As there are no events, the US government substitutes warnings in order to keep alive the fear that causes the public to accept pointless wars, the infringement of civil liberty, national ID cards, and inconveniences and harassments when they fly.

The most obvious indication that there are no terrorist cells is that not a single neocon has been assassinated.

I do not approve of assassinations, and am ashamed of my country’s government for engaging in political assassination. The US and Israel have set a very bad example for al Qaeda to follow.

The US deals with al Qaeda and Taliban by assassinating their leaders, and Israel deals with Hamas by assassinating its leaders. It is reasonable to assume that al Qaeda would deal with the instigators and leaders of America’s wars in the Middle East in the same way.

Today every al Qaeda member is aware of the complicity of neoconservatives in the death and devastation inflicted on Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and Gaza. Moreover, neocons are highly visible and are soft targets compared to Hamas and Hezbollah leaders. Neocons have been identified in the media for years, and as everyone knows, multiple listings of their names are available online.

Neocons do not have Secret Service protection. Dreadful to contemplate, but it would be child’s play for al Qaeda to assassinate any and every neocon. Yet, neocons move around freely, a good indication that the US does not have a terrorist problem.

If, as neocons constantly allege, terrorists can smuggle nuclear weapons or dirty bombs into the US with which to wreak havoc upon our cities, terrorists can acquire weapons with which to assassinate any neocon or former government official.

Yet, the neocons, who are the Americans most hated by Muslims, remain unscathed.

The “war on terror” is a hoax that fronts for American control of oil pipelines, the profits of the military-security complex, the assault on civil liberty by fomenters of a police state, and Israel’s territorial expansion.

There were no al Qaeda in Iraq until the Americans brought them there by invading and overthrowing Saddam Hussein, who kept al Qaeda out of Iraq. The Taliban is not a terrorist organization, but a movement attempting to unify Afghanistan under Muslim law. The only Americans threatened by the Taliban are the Americans Bush sent to Afghanistan to kill Taliban and to impose a puppet state on the Afghan people.

Hamas is the democratically elected government of Palestine, or what little remains of Palestine after Israel’s illegal annexations. Hamas is a terrorist organization in the same sense that the Israeli government and the US government are terrorist organizations. In an effort to bring Hamas under Israeli hegemony, Israel employs terror bombing and assassinations against Palestinians. Hamas replies to the Israeli terror with homemade and ineffectual rockets.

Hezbollah represents the Shi’ites of southern Lebanon, another area in the Middle East that Israel seeks for its territorial expansion.

The US brands Hamas and Hezbollah “terrorist organizations” for no other reason than the US is on Israel’s side of the conflict. There is no objective basis for the US Department of State’s “finding” that Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations. It is merely a propagandistic declaration.

Americans and Israelis do not call their bombings of civilians terror. What Americans and Israelis call terror is the response of oppressed people who are stateless because their countries are ruled by puppets loyal to the oppressors. These people, dispossessed of their own countries, have no State Departments, Defense Departments, seats in the United Nations, or voices in the mainstream media. They can submit to foreign hegemony or resist by the limited means available to them.

The fact that Israel and the United States carry on endless propaganda to prevent this fundamental truth from being realized indicates that it is Israel and the US that are in the wrong and the Palestinians, Lebanese, Iraqis, and Afghans who are being wronged.

The retired American generals who serve as war propagandists for Fox “News” are forever claiming that Iran arms the Iraqi and Afghan insurgents and Hamas. But where are the arms? To deal with American tanks, insurgents have to construct homemade explosive devices out of artillery shells. After six years of conflict the insurgents still have no weapon against the American helicopter gunships. Contrast this “arming” with the weaponry the US supplied to the Afghans three decades ago when they were fighting to drive out the Soviets.

The films of Israel’s murderous assault on Gaza show large numbers of Gazans fleeing from Israeli bombs or digging out the dead and maimed, and none of these people are armed. A person would think that by now every Palestinian would be armed, every man, woman, and child. Yet, all the films of the Israeli attack show an unarmed population. Hamas has to construct homemade rockets that are little more than a sign of defiance. If Hamas were armed by Iran, Israel’s assault on Gaza would have cost Israel its helicopter gunships, its tanks, and hundreds of lives of its soldiers.

Hamas is a small organization armed with small caliber rifles incapable of penetrating body armor. Hamas is unable to stop small bands of Israeli settlers from descending on West Bank Palestinian villages, driving out the Palestinians, and appropriating their land.

The great mystery is: why after 60 years of oppression are the Palestinians still an unarmed people? Clearly, the Muslim countries are complicit with Israel and the US in keeping the Palestinians unarmed.

The unsupported assertion that Iran supplies sophisticated arms to the Palestinians is like the unsupported assertion that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. These assertions are propagandistic justifications for killing Arab civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure in order to secure US and Israeli hegemony in the Middle East.
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Re: Johnny's Casual Chatter Thread

Post by Strangelove on Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:05 pm

Good stuff Zone.

Heres some info from an aquaintance on a blog I subscribe to. It's his theory on why Prince Charles will be passed over for Kingship.

Quote from R.R. on intheknow blog:

I saw this in passing on Eurail this wee hour… OK… Prince Charles is highly inbred and incompetent to run the HUGE machine of the UK and its Colonies in the World. The Royals in the UK own 1/6 of the geography of Planet Earth gotten deeply by deceit, force, theft, and murder enmasse like the rest of the Black Nobility in Europe and the Americas…

The Occult Design AND DNA Plan of Charles wed with Diana Spencer was Out-Crossing common to Breeding in Royals/Elites and Animals out on Ranches & Farms in Agriculture & Domestic Pets…

Example… if You Inbreed a species too much for physical looks confirmation, then over generations it falls apart like A.K.C. or U.K.C. dogs such as the black Labrador Retriever who’s been so overly inbred to conform to a look that it’s weak biologically and its rear hip joints are frail and go out of joint all the time… with over inbreeding the German Shepherd will have pressure in its skull and this makes its brain outgrow the skull to pressure and it will suffer and be aggressive much like the high over inbreeding of the Doberman. It will be aggressive because of biological inbreeding to be stressed and in small high strung dogs many generations inbreeding make them high strung and weak.

To keep a breed tight properly in farm and domestic animals the only way is Line-Breeding where it’s bred to related distant dogs to keep its characteristics tight but after a few Generations it must Out-Cross to make a strong biological Breed and this is WHY the Pitbill Terrier is one serious Dog NOT like any other breed because instead of Inbreeding it’s Line Bred…

OK… among the Nobility in Europe and Asia, they would Line Breed but You’d discover the Black Nobility and some Dynasties in China differed in that they will Inbreed too many Generations and have some insane and weak and incompetent People manifest like Mad King George III at the time of the American Revolution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_III_of_the_United_Kingdom

Here’s a history list of mentally ill monarchs from so much Inbreeding among the Black Nobility:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mentally_ill_monarchs

The Black Nobility in the UK took over in 1714 with German George I from House Hanover NOT a True Brit… George I (George Louis; German: Georg Ludwig; 28 May 1660 – 11 June 1727) was King of Great Britain and Ireland from 1 August 1714 until his death, and ruler of Hanover in the Holy Roman Empire from 1698.
George was born in Hanover, in what is now Germany, and eventually inherited the title and lands of the Duke of Brunswick-Lüneburg. A succession of European wars expanded his German domains during his lifetime, and in 1708 he was ratified as prince-elector of Hanover. At the age of 54, after the death of Queen Anne of Great Britain, George ascended the British throne as the first monarch of the House of Hanover. BLACK NOBILITY going back to the Republic of Venice/La Serenissima where Oligarchy=Shadow Government was developed after the Fall of Rome:

http://tarpley.net/online-books/against-oligarchy/

And in that 1700′s time their Lackeys in Freemasonry who do their dirty work grew like NO other time in the UK both York and Scottish Rite. Also in 1700′s came Masonic Groups tight with the House Hanover Clan like the Hellfire Duke Wharton Freemason in Ireland the 1st Hellfire Club… then the Order of St. Francis Dashwood the Exchequer of the Crown called the “Hellfire Club by the British Press then… some famed members like rakes John Wilkes, and Lord Sandwich who ate fast food of meat and so on slapped in slices of bread moving as high roller in partying and orgies so the word “sandwich” came from one of the Hellfire Club’s most notorious members and of course Benjamin Franklin when he was Ambassador in the UK from the Colonies in America… 10 dead bodies in his home in America have been exhumed… wonder how they died… (try sacrifice and sick experiments…)

So the Hanover Clan ruled and usurped the UK in the 1700′s and Freemasonry and City of London as Centre of Global Finance began in earnest there before Nathan Rothschild and the later LCF Rothschild there today…

Ever see the 2000 Roman Polanksi movie the Ninth Gate where Depp’s character has 3 Satanic Grimoires and discovers that all the plates in them that have the initials “LCF”" are Satan/Lucifer?

I know You all have seen Inc, LLC, Ltd as business titles and headers… ever see one in any business as “LCF” ???

http://www.lcfr.co.uk/en/londres/presentation/presentation.asp

(LCF R in Rothschild = LCFR… that sound like any Word You know of?)

OK… Hanover NOT British succession:
George I
1 August 1714 –11 June 1727
George II
11 June 1727 –25 October 1760
“Mad” George III
25 October 1760 –29 January 1820
George IV
29 January 1820 –26 June 1830
(Prince Regent since 1811)
William IV
26 June 1830 –20 June 1837
Victoria
20 June 1837 –22 January 1901

OK… they now Out-Cross in HUGE Dynastic Black Nobility wedding in 1800′s when Victoria major Inbred marries:
House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha:
Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha
St James’s Palace
10 February 1840
9 children… Next King is:
Edward VII
22 January 1901 –6 May 1910
Then… still Hanover Saxe Coburg Gotha BUT change name to “Windsor” to Legitimize their ill-gotten Titles:
George V
6 May 1910 –20 January 1936
Edward VIII
20 January –11 December 1936 (abdicated by Family planned deceits on him)
George VI
11 December 1936 –6 February 1952
Elizabeth II
6 February1952 – present
She marries Blood Relative Phillip the son of Inbred Princess Alice of Battenberg more Black Nobility and note:
She was congenitally deaf and… In 1930, she was diagnosed with schizophrenia and committed to a sanatorium; thereafter, she lived separately from her husband. Princess Alice met and fell in love with Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark of the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg more German Black Nobility ALL Related by Blood…

Does this sound like a little Inbreeding and congenitally weak and insane often occurring yet from Inbreeding?

OK… Prince Charles has long been known to be bisexual, incompetent to run Empire and was adulterer with Chlamydia Porker Bowels before he was complicit with Phillip and Elizabeth II in Princess Diana Spencer’s occult murder in Paris… RIP.. she gave occult birth to William on Summer Solstice in the year 1982 that June. She was Black Nobility Breeding Out-Cross to have strong and competent child that Charles was/is NOT.

Now William is marrying a Blood Relative but not too close so this is Line Breeding among the Black Nobility…

http://therr.posterous.com/crimes

Go there…

And to understand the Black Nobility:

http://therr.posterous.com/multiplicity-of-duplicity-the-masquerade-ball

This was a 1951 Occult Masquerade Ball in VENICE with Royals, Elites and their Courtiers where the Black Nobility began… and from it came things like Bilderberg, MK-Ultra, and more… darlings… from their Parties come their Rituals and Decisions in contact with the Dark Side and their Courtiers/Underlings carry out their will following at things like G20 and Bilderberg and so on… how drab are the Researchers all paranoid over that Underling Courtier stuff and they miss the Real Deal at the Masquerade Balls… where the REAL Action happens… with orgies and human sacrifice beyond say 1999 Eyes Wide Shut or 2004 The Eternal filmed part in Venice…

Not all the Nobility are Black Nobility Bloodlines… some oppose the NWO Agendas even… on that I will rest my case…

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Re: Johnny's Casual Chatter Thread

Post by jerry on Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:19 pm

http://www.naturalnews.com/032146_nanoparticles_environment.html

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Re: Johnny's Casual Chatter Thread

Post by zone on Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:38 pm

Strangelove wrote:Then… still Hanover Saxe Coburg Gotha BUT change name to “Windsor” to Legitimize their ill-gotten Titles:

awesome Doc!
now.....to make the connection that has to be made....brb.
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Islamic Group with British Intelligence Links Threatens Royal Wedding

Post by zone on Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:14 pm

Islamic Group with British Intelligence Links Threatens Royal Wedding



Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
April 26, 2011

Once again, the corporate media rolls out a scary story about Islamists threatening the state, this time represented by the British royal family.

“Police are concerned about two extreme groups which are planning protests during the Royal Wedding,” Sky News reports today.

Sky News reports that Muslims Against the Crusades has decided to protest outside of Westminster Abbey where the Archbishop of Canterbury will marry Prince William of Wales and Miss Catherine Middleton on Friday. The group was told it would not be allowed to protest there.

Muslims Against Crusades wants a general Muslim uprising on Friday and has reportedly told Princes William and Harry to “watch your backs,” apparently a thinly veiled threat.

The royal wedding will be guarded by a massive security operation, including around 5,000 police officers and hundreds of soldiers in uniform. Assistant Commissioner Lynne Owens of the London Metropolitan Police sounded a lot like Janet Napolitano. “We want the public to be our eyes and ears and report anything suspicious or unusual.”

The mention of Muslims Against Crusades and its leader, Anjem Choudary, should set off alarm bells. Choudary founded another Islamic group, al-Muhajiroun, with Omar Bakri Muhammed, who admitted in 1998 he shares a special relationship with British intelligence. “I think now we have something called public immunity,” he said during an interview.

Authors Sean O’Neill and Daniel McGrory have documented a special relationship between Islamist leaders, including Abu Hamza al-Masri and Abu Qatada, and British intelligence.

The British Secret Service, MI6, protected Haroon Rashid Aswat, the alleged mastermind of the 7/7 London bombings, according to counterterrorism expert John Loftus. Aswat was affiliated with al-Muhajiroun.

Loftus said Aswat’s relationship with British intelligence began in the late 1990s with the war in Kosovo and the recruitment of the so-called Afghan Arabs, also known as the CIA-supported Mujahideen, in the concerted effort to undermine Yugoslavia.
(See Andrew Gavin Marshall’s Empire, Energy and Al-Qaeda: The Anglo-American Terror Network: The Imperial Anatomy of al-Qaeda, Part II.) The late Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda also worked in the Balkans and received financial and military assistance from the United States and NATO, according to Isabel Vincent, writing for the National Post.

In 2004, Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed said British intelligence handles all Islamist groups of note in the United Kingdom.

“I believe Britain is harboring most of the Islamic opposition leaders of the Muslim world.… Because the British elites are very clever, they are not stupid like the Americans. Remember these people used to rule half of the world.… The British are not like the French and the Germans, they don’t slap you in the face, they stab you in the back. They want to buy some of these Islamic groups,” he said in 2004.

Mohammed said British intelligence has compromised the Muslim Brotherhood, the UK Islamic Mission, al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya, Iranian opposition groups, and the Iranian Ahlul Bait groups in Britain.

The Muslim Brotherhood was corrupted early on by British intelligence, and later by the CIA. According to CIA agent Miles Copeland, the agency began working with the Brotherhood in the 1950s. This signaled the beginning of an alliance between the traditional regimes and mass Islamic movements against Arab nationalism. The Israelis also exploited radical Islam in its war against Arab national movements, specifically Palestinian nationalist movement.

Muslims Against Crusades and Anjem Choudary appear to be ready to violate the ban on protesting and the British police on Friday. Considering the history of radical Islamists in the United Kingdom, it is entirely possible the confrontation now unfolding was designed by British intelligence.

The English Defense League, a reactionary group opposed to the spread of Islam, Sharia law and Islamic extremism in England, has promised to confront Muslims Against Crusades during the royal wedding later this week

http://www.infowars.com/islamic-group-with-british-intelligence-links-threatens-royal-wedding/
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Re: Johnny's Casual Chatter Thread

Post by johnny botwright on Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:18 pm

some people may be looking for a trigger, to unfold the next leval? The number of motor bikes, scooters, to in London, courier or other wise, some now with three boxes on the back, pillion passenger or rider with back packs, ideal tool, for a unexpected attack, johnny
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coming events worth a look

Post by johnny botwright on Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:12 pm

Critical dates : 26th Sept 2011 and 17th October 2011

http://youtu.be/0Bv1rQxgMbA

Whatever it is, its gonna be "Biblical".

not my coments but could be, johnny?
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Re: Johnny's Casual Chatter Thread

Post by zone on Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:53 am

johnny botwright wrote:Critical dates : 26th Sept 2011 and 17th October 2011

http://youtu.be/0Bv1rQxgMbA

Whatever it is, its gonna be "Biblical".

not my coments but could be, johnny?

johnny:
somewhere long ago i found a quote by a NWO guy (pp): "wait 'til they see what we have planned for 2011..."

at the time i thought it might be BLUEBEAM.
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Re: Johnny's Casual Chatter Thread

Post by johnny botwright on Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:06 pm

some people have some big toys now, dosnt take much to pull the rug from under peoples feet, johnny
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Re: Johnny's Casual Chatter Thread

Post by zone on Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:19 am

johnny botwright wrote:some people have some big toys now, dosnt take much to pull the rug from under peoples feet, johnny
please keep us updated re: those particular events....you got a crack mind johnny: spiritual gumshoe
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London?

Post by johnny botwright on Sun May 01, 2011 10:18 pm

A second coach involved in an incident near an airport, earlier a coach over turned by Norwich airport, a second coach involved in a fatal accident near Stanstead airport

Recently closing the M11 The M11 like the M1 another major route into London.

the M1 also recently closed because of a possible explosion.Airports, planes, fatal collision, London, ? synchronicity ?.


another Lockerbie? johnny
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Re: Johnny's Casual Chatter Thread

Post by zone on Sun May 01, 2011 11:45 pm

johnny botwright wrote:A second coach involved in an incident near an airport, earlier a coach over turned by Norwich airport, a second coach involved in a fatal accident near Stanstead airport

Recently closing the M11 The M11 like the M1 another major route into London.

the M1 also recently closed because of a possible explosion.Airports, planes, fatal collision, London, ? synchronicity ?.


another Lockerbie? johnny

not getting anything on mainstream johnny...please keep us informed.
i'll check my sources....i think the FF scenario is a tri-city event.

whatever it is, if its a FF there'll be records of "drills"...checking
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Re: Johnny's Casual Chatter Thread

Post by johnny botwright on Mon May 02, 2011 12:11 am

just before the coach crash at Norwich, where the coach over turned, another coach over turned on the M40 at Oxford, the number 40 often speaks of a major event, Israel in the wilderness for forty years, rained for 40 days and nights, Noah, Jesus in the wilderness fasting for 40 days and nights, i asked was a situation about to over turn in the UK,
THEN YOU HAD PROFESSER OXFORD LEADING RESEARCH INTO SWINE FLUE,
people to sharring about biological weapons, viruses, dirty bombs ect. 25th anirversery of the nuclear disaster in Russia, experts saying only a matter of time before terrorism, goes nuclear.others speaking of the tension between nato and the us,with russia and china,north korea, isreal and iran ect nuclear exchange world war III. johnny
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Re: Johnny's Casual Chatter Thread

Post by johnny botwright on Mon May 02, 2011 8:16 am

With also the assasination of Bin Laden, now warnings of a possable upserge in terrorist attacks?
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Post by johnny botwright on Tue May 03, 2011 12:04 pm

Five men from London are being held under the Terrorism Act after being
arrested close to the Sellafield nuclear site in Cumbria, police said
today.

The arrests came as the U.S. CIA and State Department warned
there was 'enhanced potential' for violence against the country's citizens and
assets.
Police departments were warned that the killing will likely inspire
homegrown extremists in the U.S. to carry out revenge attacks.
The FBI
cautioned that U.S. cities, airports, public transport and government buildings
continued to be attractive targets for terrorists.
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Re: Johnny's Casual Chatter Thread

Post by zone on Tue May 03, 2011 4:44 pm

johnny botwright wrote:Five men from London are being held under the Terrorism Act after being
arrested close to the Sellafield nuclear site in Cumbria, police said
today.

The arrests came as the U.S. CIA and State Department warned
there was 'enhanced potential' for violence against the country's citizens and
assets.
Police departments were warned that the killing will likely inspire
homegrown extremists in the U.S. to carry out revenge attacks.
The FBI
cautioned that U.S. cities, airports, public transport and government buildings
continued to be attractive targets for terrorists.

so, the activity you saw before johnny would be the SET-UP.
please keep us posted.

CIA/Mossad WIKILEAKS had "leaked" info about so-clled nukes or dirty bombs planted in major cities "in the event bin laden was killed"

handy......i'll document today
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Italy Rome the Vatican

Post by johnny botwright on Tue May 10, 2011 11:23 pm

Any one eles expecting that some thing could go down soon that involves Italy, Rome - The Vatican? A dirty bomb, Gaddafi refers to himself as the king of kings, after the assasination of bin laden, could see himself as the new figure head of the fight agaisnt the Imperial christian west and zion.
just has to attack Rome Vatican city to ignite world war III The last crusade.
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Post by johnny botwright on Wed May 11, 2011 9:44 am

Rome 'gripped' by earthquake prediction fear

The
Italian capital, Rome, might be a little quieter than usual on
Wednesday.

This is because thousands of residents are said to be taking
the day off fearing the city is about to be struck by an earthquake.

The
prediction was made by scientist Raffaele Bendandi decades ago, but many people
are apparently taking it seriously.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13356228

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13354988
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Re: Johnny's Casual Chatter Thread

Post by zone on Wed May 11, 2011 2:34 pm

johnny you've nailed it!
they have to do something with Rome, since she is set-up to look like the Mother of Harlots.

doc and i have talked about this before.

an earthquake would look apocalyptic: especially if "the city" was divided into 3 parts.....hmmm......

i read somewhere a "prophecy" of ratizinger walking through a bombed out city, smoking ruins etc....

and it would throw "Christendom" into total chaos.

Pike talks about it.

keep posted johnny.
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YOUTUBE on FF - vatican

Post by zone on Wed May 11, 2011 5:42 pm



Pt.1/4 The NEXT 9/11 False Flag Terror Attack! POPE in ROME!

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i haven't watched this yet johnny, but will later.
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Post by johnny botwright on Wed May 11, 2011 5:46 pm

maybe a case of playing the fiddle HARP while Rome burns
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more on FF - rome?

Post by zone on Wed May 11, 2011 5:47 pm

this is from the telegraph, from 07.....but look:

He claims the operation will be on 'a par with Hiroshima and Naga-saki' and will 'shake the Roman throne'.


Al-Qaeda and Iranian allies 'plan Hiroshima attack'

AL-QAEDA leaders in Iraq are planning the first "large-scale" terrorist attacks on Britain and other western targets with the help of supporters in Iran, according to a leaked intelligence report.


Spy chiefs warn that one operative had said he was planning an attack on "a par with Hiroshima and Nagasaki" in an attempt to "shake the Roman throne", a reference to the West, according to The Times newspaper in the UK.

Another plot could be timed to coincide with Tony Blair stepping down as prime minister, an event described by al-Qaeda planners as a "change in the head of the company".

The report, produced earlier this month and seen by The Sunday Times, appears to provide evidence that al-Qaeda is active in Iran and has ambitions far beyond the improvised attacks it has been waging against British and American soldiers in Iraq.

There is no evidence of a formal relationship between al-Qaeda, a Sunni group, and the Shiite regime of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, but experts suggest that Iran’s leaders may be turning a blind eye to the terrorist organisation’s activities," reports The Times.

The intelligence report also makes it clear that senior al-Qaeda figures in the region have been in recent contact with operatives in Britain.

It follows revelations last year that up to 150 Britons had travelled to Iraq to fight as part of al-Qaeda’s "foreign legion". A number are thought to have returned to the UK, after receiving terrorist training, to form sleeper cells.

The report was compiled by the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre (JTAC) - based at MI5’s London headquarters - and provides a quarterly review of the international terror threat to Britain. It draws a distinction between Osama Bin Laden and al-Qaeda’s core leadership, who are thought to be hiding on the Afghan-Pakistan border, and affiliated organisations elsewhere.

The document states: "While networks linked to AQ (al-Qaeda) Core pose the greatest threat to the UK, the intelligence during this quarter has highlighted the potential threat from other areas, particularly AQI (al-Qaeda in Iraq)."

The report continues: "Recent reporting has described AQI’s Kurdish network in Iran planning what we believe may be a large-scale attack against a western target.
"A member of this network is reportedly involved in an operation which he believes requires AQ Core authorisation. He claims the operation will be on 'a par with Hiroshima and Naga-saki' and will 'shake the Roman throne'. We assess that this operation is most likely to be a large-scale, mass casualty attack against the West."

The report says there is "no indication" this attack would specifically target Britain, "although we are aware that AQI . . . networks are active in the UK".

Analysts believe the reference to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, where more than 200,000 people died in nuclear attacks on Japan at the end of WWII, is unlikely to be a literal boast.

"It could be just a reference to a huge explosion," said a counter-terrorist source. "They (al-Qaeda) have got to do something soon that is radical otherwise they start losing credibility."

Despite aspiring to a nuclear capability, al-Qaeda is not thought to have acquired weapons grade material. However, several plots involving "dirty bombs" - conventional explosive devices surrounded by radioactive material - have been foiled.
Last year al-Qaeda’s leader in Iraq called on nuclear scientists to apply their knowledge of biological and radiological weapons to "the field of jihad".
Details of a separate plot to attack Britain, "ideally" before Blair steps down this summer, were contained in a letter written by Abdul al-Hadi al-Iraqi, an Iraqi Kurd and senior al-Qaeda commander.

According to the JTAC document, Hadi "stressed the need to take care to ensure that the attack was successful and on a large scale". The plan was to be relayed to an Iran-based al-Qaeda facilitator.

The Home Office declined to comment.



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Post by zone on Wed May 11, 2011 5:50 pm

johnny botwright wrote:maybe a case of playing the fiddle HARP while Rome burns
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Post by johnny botwright on Wed May 11, 2011 8:54 pm

Just heard Two earth quakes in Spain 10 dead so far.

fianancial earth quake to follow spain italy? johnny
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Post by johnny botwright on Fri May 13, 2011 11:27 am

Seeing the church bell tower collapse, during the earth quake in Spain, then seeing the bell , laying there in the debree.A sign warning.?yes we could say, Rome talking of an earth quake, at the same time , a warning of the coming destruction to Rome, the Vatican.?or i wonder if a warning to us all, seeing events recently in Japan, ageing nuclear plants around the globe.talk to of a large quake on the West coast of America, also a lot of talk of the Madrid fault in the US, pictures of the great lakes coming down the Mississpi,with both a gaint Asteroid yu55 passing near to the earth on the 8th november,
and then comet Elenin C2010-x1 could these passings trigger such a chain reaction of events.Are the alarm bells ringing a warning to us all. ? johnny
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Post by johnny botwright on Mon May 16, 2011 5:15 pm

Went to tesco,s in Diss, norfolk, uk today, both ATM machines were down, out of service, which is unusual, maybe at times one goes, but both ATMS?

Bank of Scotland, reminded me of the financial predictions made by some experts, that one day, could be soon,? we will wake up, to ATM,S no longer in service, as the financial system hits gridlock, for the banks.?
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Post by Strangelove on Mon May 16, 2011 5:24 pm

ATM opposite me recently removed leaving a hole where a homeless guy now lives.

Vision of the future? Past space set aside for money, now only good for......space to lay down for those victims of the financial cashpocalypse?

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Post by johnny botwright on Mon May 16, 2011 8:57 pm

perfectly logical explanation no doubt, as to why both ATM,S were down out of service, as mentioned, just made me think, eather due to solar flares, some speaking of national grids being effected, for up to three years, or due to financial systems collapsing, or becoming gridlocked. either way peoples responce one day, when they turn on the light and theres no power, or the ATM,S not working, how many days before the looting would begin, ect. i dont think it would take long for things to sprial out of control.may not be the case, may never happen, though there are those predicting it can and will?
coming to a town near you. johnny
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Post by zone on Mon May 16, 2011 10:18 pm

this from February: just showing how it goes....now we got actual fighting IN IRSRAEL..anything could happen.
this strauss-khan thing is a shcoker; he was poised for french presidency.

Fears of Ivory Coast cash shortage drain bank machines, close banks


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A third bank shut its doors Wednesday amid a political crisis in Ivory Coast, as residents in the commercial hub lined up at banks to try to withdraw their savings amid rumours of a cash shortage.
British bank Standard Chartered confirmed in an e-mail Wednesday that it had suspended its operations in Ivory Coast, joining two other banks, BICICI and Citibank, and the regional stock exchange.
Hundreds of people marched from one bank to the next in downtown Abidjan Wednesday afternoon, trying to find a working bank machine.
“They say all the banks are going to close,” said high school guidance counsellor Albert Kramo. “I've been to three banks today to try and get out some money before it's too late.”
Crowds formed outside of several banks which swung their large metal gates closed in order to prevent the front doors from being rushed.
Two months after a contested presidential election that led incumbent leader Laurent Gbagbo to refuse to cede power, international financial pressure supporting his opponent, Alassane Ouattara, has finally made its presence felt.
“Money is drying out,” said business risk analyst Lydie Boka, manager of the France-based firm StrategieCo. “We live in a globalized world, and Gbagbo is trapped.”
Of thirteen banks visited in Abidjan Wednesday, 11 were open for business, though only four had working banking machines, according to an Associated Press tally.
A manager at the Ivorian Chamber of Commerce and Industry said he was certain nearly every bank would close in coming days. He asked not to be named because of the sensitivity of the issue.
The Central Bank of West African States, known by its French acronym BCEAO, endorsed Mr. Ouattara's victory in November's election nearly two months ago but didn't succeed in cutting Mr. Gbagbo off from state coffers until it fired its president, a close Gbagbo ally accused of funnelling money to his friend, in January.
Mr. Gbagbo reacted by seizing the central bank's offices in Ivory Coast, but the electronic financial regulation system, controlled from the head office in Dakar, Senegal, was cut off.
“Gbagbo has been trying to use the BCEAO offices in Abidjan as a central bank,” Ms. Boka said, “but international banks cannot deal with this ad-hoc central bank because of the sanctions, so they're simply shutting down.”
The European Union has imposed a visa ban and financial sanctions on Mr. Gbagbo and dozens of members of his inner circle. It has also prohibited any European companies from doing business with a long list of top officials and institutions accused of propping up Mr. Gbagbo's regime.
The U.S. has also announced a visa ban on a shorter list of Gbagbo allies.
While the Chamber of Commerce says less than 5 per cent of Ivorians hold bank accounts, those accounts “feed the rest of the economy,” said Ms. Boka, estimating that one bank account may support 50 people or more, both family members and informal employees paid in cash.
“It's really only the civil servants and the army that have bank accounts,” she said. But they support dozens of workers such as mechanics and mobile phone credit vendors.
Meanwhile, bank managers have been quietly leaving the country ever since the BCEAO threatened criminal proceedings against any bank doing business with Mr. Gbagbo's central bank, said a Western diplomat who asked not to be named because he is not permitted to speak with the media. Two managers were stopped at the airport this weekend, the diplomat said, and prevented from leaving by police officers loyal to Mr. Gbagbo.
Late Tuesday, the regional stock exchange, the BVRM, announced that it would also suspend all trading in Abidjan after Gbagbo-friendly troops seized the building last week.
While the Abidjan trading floor was open on Wednesday, journalists were not allowed to enter the building.
“It's possible that the exchange has been opened by those that illegally occupy it, but there are no transactions being carried out,” said Lene Sebgo, chairman of the exchange's board of directors.
“No quotes will be accepted and only the situation and the data up to February 11 will be recorded,” he said.
Computer printouts posted at many bank branches informed clients of reduced banking hours. At one downtown branch of the SIB bank, the crowd grew angry after security stopped allowing people in a few minutes before the 3 p.m. closing time.
“It's not even closing time yet and they're already cutting us off,” said Moussa Traore, a retiree. “How am I going to pay for food for my family?” he said.
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