John 4:22 'Salvation Commeth Out of Judea'

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John 4:22 'Salvation Commeth Out of Judea'

Post by Strangelove on Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:47 pm

KJV

(John 4:22) Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

KJV With Strongs

(John 4:22) Ye G5210 worship G4352 ye know G1492 notG3756 what: G3739 we G2249 know G1492 what G3739 we worship: G4352 for G3754 salvation G4991 is G2076 of G1537 the G3588 Jews. G2453

salvation G4991 is G2076 of G1537 the G3588 Jews. G2453


is G2076

G2076
εστί
esti
es-tee'
Third person singular present indicative of G1510; he (she or it) is; also (with neuter plural) they are: - are, be (-long), call, X can [-not], come, consisteth, X dure for awhile, follow, X have, (that) is (to say), make, meaneth, X must needs, profit, remaineth, wrestle.[size=12]


of G1537

G1537
ἐκ, ἐξ

ek ex
ek, exA primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence motion or action proceeds), from, out (of place, time or cause; literally or figuratively; direct or remote): - after, among, X are, at betwixt (-yond), by (the means of), exceedingly, ( abundantly above), for (-th), from (among, forth, up), grudgingly, heartily, X heavenly, X hereby, very highly, in, . . . ly, (because, by reason) of, off (from), on, out among (from, of), over, since, X thenceforth, through, X unto, X vehemently, with (-out). Often used in composition, with the same general import; often of completion.


the G3588

G3588
ὁ, ἡ, τό

ho hē to
ho, hay, to
The masculine, feminine (second) and neuter (third) forms, in all their inflections; the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom): - the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.


Jews G2453

G2453
Ἰουδαῖος

Ioudaios
ee-oo-dah'-yos
From G2448 (in the sense of G2455 as a country); udaean, that is, belonging to Jehudah: - Jew (-ess), of Juda.


Strangelove Translation:

(John 4:22) Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation Commeth Out of Judea.


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Re: John 4:22 'Salvation Commeth Out of Judea'

Post by KingdomSeeker on Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:06 am

That translation makes more sense with the preceding, and proceding verses. Nice Job Doctor!!

Can you do this with the whole gospel of John? Just go over it all with a fine tooth comb?

Your good at it Smile Yes? Ok. Thanks. I want it on my desk by this time next week.

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Re: John 4:22 'Salvation Commeth Out of Judea'

Post by zone on Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:17 am

Strangelove wrote:KJV

(John 4:22) Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

KJV With Strongs

(John 4:22) Ye G5210 worship G4352 ye know G1492 notG3756 what: G3739 we G2249 know G1492 what G3739 we worship: G4352 for G3754 salvation G4991 is G2076 of G1537 the G3588 Jews. G2453

salvation G4991 is G2076 of G1537 the G3588 Jews. G2453


is G2076

G2076
εστί
esti
es-tee'
Third person singular present indicative of G1510; he (she or it) is; also (with neuter plural) they are: - are, be (-long), call, X can [-not], come, consisteth, X dure for awhile, follow, X have, (that) is (to say), make, meaneth, X must needs, profit, remaineth, wrestle.[size=12]


of G1537

G1537
ἐκ, ἐξ

ek ex
ek, exA primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence motion or action proceeds), from, out (of place, time or cause; literally or figuratively; direct or remote): - after, among, X are, at betwixt (-yond), by (the means of), exceedingly, ( abundantly above), for (-th), from (among, forth, up), grudgingly, heartily, X heavenly, X hereby, very highly, in, . . . ly, (because, by reason) of, off (from), on, out among (from, of), over, since, X thenceforth, through, X unto, X vehemently, with (-out). Often used in composition, with the same general import; often of completion.


the G3588

G3588
ὁ, ἡ, τό

ho hē to
ho, hay, to
The masculine, feminine (second) and neuter (third) forms, in all their inflections; the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom): - the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.


Jews G2453

G2453
Ἰουδαῖος

Ioudaios
ee-oo-dah'-yos
From G2448 (in the sense of G2455 as a country); udaean, that is, belonging to Jehudah: - Jew (-ess), of Juda.


Strangelove Translation:

(John 4:22) Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation Commeth Out of Judea.


JESUS!
nice work babe.
(i already knew it Very Happy , but your exegesis is perf).
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Re: John 4:22 'Salvation Commeth Out of Judea'

Post by zone on Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:21 pm

then there's the other one the dispies love (crypto Scofield's handiwork):

Zechariah 8:23
Thus says the LORD of hosts: In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue shall take hold of the robe of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’”



Ten men of all languages of the nations - Ten is the symbol of a whole, all the numbers before it meeting in it and starting again from it. The day of Pentecost was to be the reversal of the confusion of Babel; all were to have one voice, as God had said, "It (the time) shall come to gather all nations and tongues, and they shall come and see My glory" Isaiah 66:18.

They shall lay hold of the skirt of one man who is a Jew - Jerome: "That is, of the Lord and Saviour, of whom it is said, "A prince shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until He shall come, for whom it is laid up, and for Him shall the Gentiles wait" Genesis 49:8-10; for "there shall be a rod of Jesse, and He who shall arise to rule over the Gentiles, to Him shall the Gentiles seek" Isaiah 11:10. And when they shall lay hold of Him, they shall desire to tread in His steps, since God is with Him. Or else, whosoever shall believe out of all nations, shall lay hold of a man who is a Jew, the Apostles who are from the Jews, and shall say, Let us go with you; for we have known through the prophets and from the voice of all the Scriptures, that the Son of God, Christ, God and Lord, is with you. Where there is a most manifest prophecy, and the coming of Christ and His Apostles and the faith of all nations is preached, let us seek for nothing more."
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Re: John 4:22 'Salvation Commeth Out of Judea'

Post by Strangelove on Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:29 pm

John 4:22 in both the King James version and the New King James version is sometimes quoted for the claim that salvation is of the Jews, with these words:

You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.

The proper translation of John 4:22 is:

You worship what you do not know; we know we worship, for salvation is OUT OF Judea.

Gordon Ginn, PhD, in his excellent monograph, “The Lion of Judah,” describes how the translators have incorrectly translated the Greek word “ek” (Strong’s Concordance #1537) here used in John 4:22. The proper translation of this preposition is “out of” and not “of.” Every other time this word “ek” is used, it is translated “out of” except for the text in question, John 4:22, where it is improperly translated simply “of.”

The source of salvation is not “the Jews.” The source of salvation is Jesus Christ, who was “out of” Judea, because He was born in Bethlehem of Judea. Jesus Christ was “out of” Judea, and Jesus Christ, not the Jews, is the source of Salvation!

In Matthew 2:6, “And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, art not the least among the princes of Judah; for OUT OF (ek #1537) thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.”

Also, Micah 5:2, “And thou, Bethlehem, house of Ephratha, art few in number to be reckoned among the thousands of Judah, yet OUT OF (ek #1537) thee shall one come forth to me, to be a ruler of Israel; and His going forth were from the beginning, even from eternity.”

Again in Hebrews 7:14 “For it is evident that our Lord sprang OUT OF (ek #1537) Judea.

These three references clearly show that when the translators arbitrarily translated ek (#1537) as “OF” in John 4:22, rather than OUT OF, as they did in three previous Scriptural texts, they had another agenda in mind, specifically to create a text in Scripture which could be used to claim that “salvation is of the Jews,” rather than the correct interpretation of John 4:22 which should read, salvation is out of Judah or Judea.

LINK: http://www.takebackourrights.org/docs/who_runs_america.htm

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Re: John 4:22 'Salvation Commeth Out of Judea'

Post by Hammer on Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:44 am

In John 4, I gather that the Samaritan woman was a pagan Jew. I say Jew because she mentioned that her forefathers worshiped on that mountain, indicating that she is a descendant of Jacob (Samaritans were generally the ancestors of the "lost tribes" of Israel). I say pagan because she said it was her forefathers, leaving herself out, who worshiped on that mountain. Her lifestyle of fornication also shows that she was pagan. Jesus said she worships what she does not know, that would be a pagan god.

When Jesus said salvation is of the Jews, he didn't meant that salvation is of people who follow the Talmud (which are pervertedly called Jews today). He didn't mean that salvation is of a race (for she herself was a Jew by race). He meant the religion of the Jews, of which he is the Christ. She had already mentioned worshiping in Jerusalem and Jesus didn't correct her, but he added that is about to change.

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