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Post by Major on Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:30 pm

In the book, A Book of Angels, (1990 by Sophy Burnham), the author tells how a skiing angel saved her life on the slopes. In the next 5 years after that book was published, more than 100 books about angels by different authors hit the shelves. Some claimed that "guardian angels" speak to them and guide them and protect them.

It seems to me when I speak on angels or listen to others as they talk about them, I hear some of the most incredible stories about angels. What kind of feed back is out there on this site concerning angels????

What are they doing? Why are they doing it? Where are they and how do we get one?
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Re: Angels or not to Angels.

Post by Son of Israel on Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:39 am

Lol. Hi Major. How do we get one hehe.

Who are the "angels"? (messengers)

(Rev 22:8)
And I John saw these things, and heard And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
(Rev 22:9)
Then saith he unto me, See not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

Do angels have a secret name?

(Jdg 13:18)
And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it secret?

Oh, well lookie who gets that new secret name! Smile

(Rev 2:17)
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth

Check out these "angels"

(Mat 24:31)
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Is it THESE "angels" that He sent forth?

(Luk 10:2)
Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly great, but the labourers few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest.

(Act 2:39)
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off,as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Check out these "angels" (messengers) sent forth, and what they do;

(Act 1:8)
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Somebody stop me before I start having too much fun here Smile

Am I amongst those who have been given a glimps of comprehending that our eternity is timeless? That in eternity, we exist along any point of the past, as well as the future?

Who knows who that sevant is who is of our brethren the prophets with the new secret name that spoke with Manoah, or that spoke with John? Mabye it is you Major Smile

The gas we are going to have when we are revealed this cool stuff!
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Re: Angels or not to Angels.

Post by Adstar on Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:49 am

Major wrote:In the book, A Book
of Angels, (1990 by Sophy Burnham),
the author tells how a skiing angel
saved her life on the slopes. In the next 5 years after that book was
published, more than 100 books about angels by different authors hit the shelves.
Some claimed that "guardian angels" speak to them and guide them and
protect them.

It seems to me when I speak on angels or listen to others as they talk about
them, I hear some of the most incredible stories about angels. What kind of
feed back is out there on this site concerning angels????

What are they doing? Why are they doing it? Where are they and how do we get
one?

I take any stories about Angel interaction with people with a big grain of
salt. I believe Angels exist and i believe they can and do interact with people
often without people realizing they have interacted with Angels. I suspect i
have run into an Angel or two in my time.

But a lot of people think they have had interactions with Angels and have
founded new teachings and religions because of it. Look at islam and mormonism
both claim that their religion started when an "Angel" gave their
"prophet" a message from God.

I have heard that some believe they can use occult methods to bring forth
"Angels" and get knowledge from them.

It's a very dangerous area to be too open to.


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Re: Angels or not to Angels.

Post by Strangelove on Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:38 am

Major wrote:Where are they and how do we get one?

lol! Z

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Re: Angels or not to Angels.

Post by Major on Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:49 pm

Adstar wrote:
Major wrote:In the book, A Book
of Angels, (1990 by Sophy Burnham),
the author tells how a skiing angel
saved her life on the slopes. In the next 5 years after that book was
published, more than 100 books about angels by different authors hit the shelves.
Some claimed that "guardian angels" speak to them and guide them and
protect them.

It seems to me when I speak on angels or listen to others as they talk about
them, I hear some of the most incredible stories about angels. What kind of
feed back is out there on this site concerning angels????

What are they doing? Why are they doing it? Where are they and how do we get
one?

I take any stories about Angel interaction with people with a big grain of
salt. I believe Angels exist and i believe they can and do interact with people
often without people realizing they have interacted with Angels. I suspect i
have run into an Angel or two in my time.

But a lot of people think they have had interactions with Angels and have
founded new teachings and religions because of it. Look at islam and mormonism
both claim that their religion started when an "Angel" gave their
"prophet" a message from God.

I have heard that some believe they can use occult methods to bring forth
"Angels" and get knowledge from them.

It's a very dangerous area to be too open to.


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And that is the real problem is it not?????

Calling UP angels is forbidden in Deut. 18. It is divination and witchcraft. How do we know if the angel is a GOOD angel or a FALLEN/DEMON angel???

I asked the question to start the conversation without giving my opinion. Now I will do just that.

IMO angels are very overrated. Yes they had a ministry in the Old Test. and Yes they were active in and around the birth and death of Christ and Yes they do have a ministry in the Tribulation days,
but I do not see them having a ministry TODAY.

John 14:16,17,18,26...............
"And I will pray the Father and he shall give you another Comforter that he may abide with you for ever. (Another indicates one just like the original)

"I will not leave you comfortless, I WILL COME TO YOU".(Aparently, the Holy Spirit IS the Lord Jesus Christ and since Jesus prayed to the Father, we right here have the perfect view of the Trinity!!!

"But the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost (Confirms verse #18) whom the Father will send in my name.........HE WILL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS AND BRING ALL THINGS TO YOUR REMEMBERANCE WHAYSOEVER I HAVE SAID".

That my friends tells me that it is the Holy Spirit of God, the Comforter like Jesus is our helper/guide/teacher today and not angels. Anything that promotes or lifts up angels MUST be highly suspect.

The Mormons came from a supposed angel.
The Muslims came from a supposed angel.

Galatians 1:8 .......................
"But though we or AN ANGEL from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed (gr. lit. "eternally damed).
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Re: Angels or not to Angels.

Post by Adstar on Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:57 pm

Major wrote:

And that is the real problem is it not?????

Calling UP angels is forbidden in Deut. 18. It is divination and witchcraft. How do we know if the angel is a GOOD angel or a FALLEN/DEMON angel???

I asked the question to start the conversation without giving my opinion. Now I will do just that.

IMO angels are very overrated. Yes they had a ministry in the Old Test. and Yes they were active in and around the birth and death of Christ and Yes they do have a ministry in the Tribulation days,
but I do not see them having a ministry TODAY.

John 14:16,17,18,26...............
"And I will pray the Father and he shall give you another Comforter that he may abide with you for ever. (Another indicates one just like the original)

"I will not leave you comfortless, I WILL COME TO YOU".(Aparently, the Holy Spirit IS the Lord Jesus Christ and since Jesus prayed to the Father, we right here have the perfect view of the Trinity!!!

"But the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost (Confirms verse #18) whom the Father will send in my name.........HE WILL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS AND BRING ALL THINGS TO YOUR REMEMBERANCE WHAYSOEVER I HAVE SAID".

That my friends tells me that it is the Holy Spirit of God, the Comforter like Jesus is our helper/guide/teacher today and not angels. Anything that promotes or lifts up angels MUST be highly suspect.

The Mormons came from a supposed angel.
The Muslims came from a supposed angel.

Galatians 1:8 .......................
"But though we or AN ANGEL from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed (gr. lit. "eternally damed).

I agree with your post totally in relation to giving the Message of Gods will for mankind. It has already been layed out in the Gospel.

I do however see that Angels will be active in the end times as protectors of those God wills to live through these times.

Psalm 91
7 A thousand may fall at your side,
And ten thousand at your right hand;
But it shall not come near you.
8 Only with your eyes shall you look,
And see the reward of the wicked.

9 Because you have made the LORD, who is my refuge,
Even the Most High, your dwelling place,
10 No evil shall befall you,
Nor shall any plague come near your dwelling;
11 For He shall give His angels charge over you,
To keep you in all your ways.
12 In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.



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Re: Angels or not to Angels.

Post by zone on Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:39 am

Adstar wrote:
Psalm 91
7 A thousand may fall at your side,
And ten thousand at your right hand;
But it shall not come near you.
8 Only with your eyes shall you look,
And see the reward of the wicked.

9 Because you have made the LORD, who is my refuge,
Even the Most High, your dwelling place,
10 No evil shall befall you,
Nor shall any plague come near your dwelling;
11 For He shall give His angels charge over you,
To keep you in all your ways.
12 In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.



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this is one of the Scriptures the devil used to tempt The Lord!

Luke 4
1And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

5And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

9And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:

10For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:

11And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

12And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

13And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
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Re: Angels or not to Angels.

Post by KingdomSeeker on Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:01 am

10For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee


(this really doesnt have much to do with the OP...but) When Satan Quotes...He cant even Get THAT right..

For He shall give His angels charge over you, To keep you in all your ways.


I just thought that was kinda cool. Satan Mimics Christ in almost every way...yet Will and Will ALWAYS fail in comparison. ..he couldnt even get scripture right!

That said. I Dont really have anything to say about Angels.

Scripture never says Angels have wings. Thats all i know.

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Re: Angels or not to Angels.

Post by Adstar on Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:08 am

zone wrote:

this is one of the Scriptures the devil used to tempt The Lord!

Luke 4
1And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

5And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

9And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:

10For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:

11And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

12And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

13And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.

Yes it was. Do you wish to give an
observation/conclusion about it? Why did you post this?




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Re: Angels or not to Angels.

Post by Son of Israel on Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:57 am

KingdomSeeker wrote:


(this really doesnt have much to do with the OP...but) When Satan Quotes...He cant even Get THAT right..

For He shall give His angels charge over you, To keep you in all your ways.


I just thought that was kinda cool. Satan Mimics Christ in almost every way...yet Will and Will ALWAYS fail in comparison. ..he couldnt even get scripture right!

That said. I Dont really have anything to say about Angels.

Scripture never says Angels have wings. Thats all i know.

That's absolutely right. And look here at another one all screwed up. This is the prophecy;

(Psa 2:7)
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

And when it happened, this is what it got changed to in our present versions;
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(Luk 3:22)
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

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