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Post by zone on Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:20 am

Gog has referred to many people over time such as the Goths, Celts, Russians, Jews, Mongolians, Khazars, and many of the European countries. It just depends on what side of the fence the name caller is on.
Gog and Magog in British Mythology
Gog and Magog figures based on the British mythology, located in the Royal Arcade, Melbourne (wikipedia)

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"Given this somewhat frightening Biblical imagery, it is somewhat odd that images of Gog and Magog depicted as giants are carried in a traditional procession in the Lord Mayor's Show by the Lord Mayor of the City of London. According to the tradition, the giants Gog and Magog are guardians of the City of London, and images of them have been carried in the Lord Mayor's Show since the days of King Henry V. The Lord Mayor's procession takes place each year on the second Saturday of November.
The Lord Mayor's account of Gog and Magog says that the Roman Emperor Diocletian had thirty-three wicked daughters. He found thirty three husbands for them to curb their wicked ways; they chafed at this, and under the leadership of the eldest sister, Alba, they murdered them. For this crime, they were set adrift at sea; they were washed ashore on a windswept island, which after Alba was called Albion. Here they coupled with demons, and gave birth to a race of giants, among whose descendants were Gog and Magog." What is up with this?
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Gog and Magog are the guardians of London. They were two giants who defended Britain when Brutus and the survivors of Troy invaded. The struggle led to the legendary founding of New Troy. The Romans knew this story and the British tribe of London and Essex was known to them as the Trinovantes (Tri - Novante = Troy New)

Two earlier effigies in the Guildhall were destroyed in the Blitz.
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The statues of Gog and Magog currently standing in the Guildhall were commissioned from sculptor David Evans after the previous versions were destroyed in the Blitz. The phoenix shield tells us that this is Magog. (click to download)
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The previous statues stood for over two hundred years. They were carved by Captain Richard Saunders in 1708 to replace older wicker-and-plaster statues that had succumbed first to fire and then to rats and mice. (click to download)
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Post by zone on Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:24 am



Gog guards the Guildhall (click to download)
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Re: Gog & Magog

Post by zone on Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:25 am

from a forum:

the Muslim view is EXACTLY the same as the Christian view.
The Gog and the Magog are a race of people who are different from everyone else. They remain hidden at present but will reveal themselves towards the end time.
My interpretation of who they are is simple. They are Khazars or Ashkenazis.
Think about exactly what the bible says about them.

Christian and Muslim writers sometimes associated the Khazars with Gog and Magog. In his 9th century work Expositio in Matthaeum Evangelistam, the Benedictine monk Christian of Stavelot refers to the Khazars as Hunnic descendants of Gog and Magog, and says they are "circumcized and observing all the laws of Judaism"; the Khazars were a Central Asian people with a long association with Judaism. The 14th century Sunni Muslim scholar Ibn Kathir also identified Gog and Magog with the Khazars who lived between the Black and Caspian Seas in his work Al-Bidayah wa al-Nihayah (The Beginning and the End). A Georgian tradition, echoed in a chronicle, also identifies the Khazars with Gog and Magog, stating they are "wild men with hideous faces and the manners of wild beasts, eaters of blood". Another author who has identified this connection was the Arab traveller Ibn Fadlan. In his travelogue regarding his diplomatic mission to iltäbär (vassal-king under the Khazars), he noted the beliefs about Gog and Magog being the ancestors of the Khazars.

Remember also what it states in the bible Revelations 2:9
There are those who call themselves Jews but they are not Jews.
Instead they belong to the Synagogue of Satan.

Khazars are known to have many practices which match exactly the description of the Gog and Magog.

Point of interest, as you know David Icke talks about shape shifters and lizards. But as i have asked many times before this could also be a reference to the Khazars. People who change their appearance and names and outwards beliefs to blend in with whatever country they happen to be in. People who remain in the shadows never holding the limelight rather pulling the strings from behind the scenes. Only recently have they started coming forward and showing themselves. Like the Miliband brothers, Sarkhozy, and others. This means the end times are coming close.


Dont take this video the wrong way. It clearly shows a person performing a circumcision on a baby. And then actually sucking the cut penis. I dont understand the purpose of this but he is clearly seen wiping his mouth afterwards.
If this is not an example of drinking blood or eating living flesh exactly as written in the Bible about the Gog and Magog.
There is no logical, medical or even religious reason for the man to do this after the circumcision.
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Re: Gog & Magog

Post by zone on Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:26 am


At the west end of the Guildhall Great Hall is a gallery, erected in 1910. Atop the west gallery stand two huge carved statues of the legendary giants Gog and Magog, who were supposedly involved in founding the city of London. The richly painted statues are the work of David Evans, and they replace earlier, even larger statues which were destroyed when the Guildhall was hit by bombs during WWII
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Gog and Magog: Jesuit angle

Post by zone on Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:59 am

Gog and Magog



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And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20: 7-10).

The battle of Gog and Magog (also called Armageddon), is the last war or battle in the history of humanity... It takes place just before the end of time at the Second Coming of Christ....We call it the Last Great Inquisition!!
Armageddon is also described symbolically in the Old Testament Book of Ezekiel, where an ancient invasion of the restored state of Israel by a confederacy led by Gog and Magog is described:

And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords. (Ezekiel 38: 1-4).


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Post by zone on Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:00 am

Gog and Magog are code words for ROME!!
One of the most prolific writers of early Christianity was Eusebius of Caesarea (270-340 A.D.). He is called the father of Christian history and managed to preserve his writings from destruction by flattering or lauding Emperor Constantine.
Here is his interpretation of Gog and Magog:


He it was, then, and none other, Whom the prophecy foretold, in Whose time the kingdom of Gog should be exalted concurrently with the growth of Christ's power. It is said that by this figure the Hebrews disguised the Roman Empire, which grew concurrently with the teaching of Christ. And the Prophet Ezekiel also mentions Gog, naming him Ruler of Ros, Mosoeh, and Thobel, probably disguising the city of Rome under the name of Ros, because empire and power are signified in Hebrew by that word; by Mosoeh, he meant Mysia and the adjacent nations, which are now subject to Rome; and by Thobel Josephus means Iberia (Spain and Portugal), saying that the Thobelian Iberians sprang from Thobel. He says that Gog, the ruler of all of them, will be exalted at the coming of the Christ prophesied, Whom God led out of Egypt, when, as Matthew records, Herod laid a plot against Him when He was a Child, and Joseph informed by God took the young Child and His mother, and afterwards returned into the land of Israel. (Eusebius, Demonstration of the Gospel, 9,3,6).
As epitomizing themad final opposition of Satan to the Gospel of Christ . . . Gog is also another name for Satan or the devil, and Magog is the name of his disciples or dupes who follow him into the lake of fire and brimstone.
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Post by zone on Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:01 am

Gog and Magog are the "protectors" of the City of London!!Two giants named Gog and Magog are the "patron saints" or "protectors" of the City of London....Every year, on the second Saturday in November, they are paraded through the streets of the City.
The City of London is about a square mile area of central London where the Bank of England and the financial district are located....It is very similar to Vatican City which is a separate jurisdiction within the city of Rome.
In the Old Testament, shepherd boy David fought a ferocious giant named Goliath of Gath, and knocked him senseless with a stone before cutting off his humongous head....Goliath had 6 fingers on each hand, and 6 toes on each foot....He was a type of the last days Antichrist:

And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span.
And he had an helmet of brass upon his head, and he was armed with a coat of mail; and the weight of the coat was five thousand shekels of brass.
And he had greaves of brass upon his legs, and a target of brass between his shoulders.
And the staff of his spear was like a weaver's beam; and his spear's head weighed six hundred shekels of iron: and one bearing a shield went before him. (I Samuel 17:4-7).




Satanic giants Gog and Magog—associated with Armageddon in the Bible—are prepared for the annual Lord Mayor's Procession in the City of London on Nov. 10, 2007.
They are actually wearing Roman soldier uniforms!!


Gog and Magog on parade.

Modern day Goliaths pulled through the streets of the City of London.
These monstrosities appear to have only 5 fingers and 5 toes.


Giants on parade.


Lord Mayor's coach.
Physical giants have been replaced by financial and military giants . . . but the final goal is still the same—war against the Almighty!!


British battle tank on parade.
Gog and Magog were first introduced during the reign of Roman Catholic King Henry V (1413-1422). William Shakespeare whitewashed and lauded him, but he was a bigoted persecutor of his own loyal patriotic subjects.
The only connection these monsters have with Roman Britain is the PERSECUTION of Christians that occurred in pagan Britain under the Empire.
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Re: Gog & Magog

Post by zone on Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:02 am

28 Tevet, 5768 / January 6, 2008

In the Name of the Lord, Eternal God

To The Honorable Mr. George W. Bush,
President of the United States of America,

Who comes seeking the presence of the Most High God, to Jerusalem, city of God, Divinely chosen site of the Holy Temple, eternal capital of our land, "the joy of the entire earth (Psalms 48:3)," may it be rebuilt and established speedily and in our days, Amen!

Esteemed Mr. George W. Bush, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal (Ezekiel 38:1), leader of the west!

Upon your arrival in Jerusalem you have the ability to make a declaration, as did Cyrus, King of Persia - whose memory is honored - who in the year 538 BCE returned the exiled nations to their lands and recognized the full right of the Jewish people to reestablish their Holy Temple, the "house of prayer for all nations" (Isaiah 56:7), and called upon them to return to their land,

And in the manner of Lord James Balfour of England, who in 1917, called upon the Jews to reestablish a national homeland in the Land of Israel.

And thus if you truly desire peace and benevolence, and you would be counted in the company of the truly righteous, we call upon you to declare to all the world:

The Land of Israel was bequeathed to the nation of Israel by the Creator of the world. Neither could I, as a son of my faith, nor the Muslims according to their faith, ever take away even the slightest grain from the Eternal's gift, which He gave to His people Israel, the eternal people. Thus I call upon all the nations to save themselves from certain doom, to return and recognize That this land is the exclusive rightful inheritance of the people of Israel, as is written in the Torah of Israel, which constitutes the very foundation of our faith, as well as that of Islam; and is the basis for the decisions of the community of nations. He who denies this truth endangers all life on earth.

I shall dedicate all my strength and resources towards settling the Jewish people throughout their entire land. I shall greatly encourage and empower the Jews all over the world to rise up to the Land of Israel and to settle it, to establish God's sanctuary in Jerusalem, to distance strangers from it and thus, I believe, I will be making a major contribution towards world peace.

I cannot simultaneously support the establishment of a foreign state for an alien nation in the Land of Israel, and I will not lend my hand to this wrong.

Or - Heaven forbid - you can choose the second option - to willfully aid in the destruction, under the guise of peace!

You certainly know what the God of Israel did to Egypt and Assyria and to all Israel's enemies from time immemorial: Do you imagine that you will be able to save yourself if you have come to implement a plan that intends to steal the land of "the people that survived the sword" (Jeremiah 31:1), and to cut off those who survived the Holocaust, to rob the land that was given to them by the Creator?

All of the peace treaties and initiatives which have been based upon the decisions of the government of Israel, indeed the entire Oslo process, and the 'Disengagement,' and the establishment of a terrorist state within the Land of Israel known as 'Palestine' - regrettably, all of these agreements are the result of a lack of sufficient faith in the Divine promises that the Lord made to the patriarchs of our nation, and all that is written in the Torah of Israel. Understand this well: the nations of the world cannot excuse their actions and their decisions on account of the weakness of Israel and her government. God ordained that the role of the nations of the world is to strengthen the nation of Israel. This will benefit all humanity and bring about world peace, as the prophets have foretold.

Do you imagine you can escape from the struggles in Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, and Lebanon, by offering up sacrifices of the Jews who are slaughtered daily by their enemies who speak of peace but live by the sword?

Upon your arrival in our land we would anticipate that you bring Jonathan Pollard home with you. Bring him home to Israel. He is an emissary of the State of Israel, and he acted on behalf of our people. Authorize his immediate release while you are yet in Jerusalem, before you return to the United States. This will be a positive step that will build confidence.

Remember our forefather Abraham, who pursued the world's four greatest kings in order to redeem his nephew from captivity. We cannot forget the deeds of our patriarchs, whose example guides us through every generation.

We are the loyal representatives of the Jewish people, the New Jewish Congress, and its court of law, the Sanhedrin, as well as the Temple and Temple Mount movements, but we merely reiterate herein what is public knowledge.

No government in Israel and no representative of the Jewish people has the power or right to alter, by even the slightest degree, our covenant with God and the words of our holy Torah, which are everlasting, as expressed by the prophets of Israel and even by the wicked prophet Balaam: "Then he looked on Amalek, and uttered his oracle, saying: 'First among the nations was Amalek, but its end is to perish for ever' (Numbers 24:20). Thus any desire, plan or agreement that challenges the eternal sovereignty and active possession of the nation of Israel over her entire land is utterly worthless, and has no basis in reality.

Therefore it behooves you to declare: "I, George Bush, Commander in Chief of the armies of the United States of America, will instruct all of my troops to protect the Divine rights of the nation of Israel, and remove from her any threat."

Before you is a choice: You can merit to eternal life, or be inscribed for eternal disgrace. Your fate and that of all those with you hangs in the balance of the destiny of our land.

"and you shall choose life!" (Deut. 30:19).

In Sincere Supplication - In the name of the Jewish people

Rabbi A Even Yisrael Steinzaltz
The Sanhedrin

Dr. Gadi Eshel
The New Jewish Congress

Rabbi Chaim Richman
The Holy Temple and Temple Mount Movements

http://www.templeinstitute.org/megillat-bush.htm
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Re: Gog & Magog

Post by zone on Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:07 am

ROTHSCHILD - RED SHIELD - GOG MAGOG
Posted By: Aladdin [Send E-Mail]
Date: Monday, 10-Nov-2003 10:36:04





Connecting dots - linking threads ...
THE SATANIC ROTHSCHILD DYNASTY (views: 388)
ajeetbabu -- Sunday, 26 October 2003, 11:02 a.m.
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=38635
RMN ARCHIVES ON ROTHSCHILD (views: 278)
Aladdin -- Tuesday, 4 November 2003, 2:18 p.m.
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ROTHSCHILD
Posted By: Aladdin
Date: Saturday, 12 July 2003, 4:19 a.m.
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RABBI FINKELSTEIN: "JUDAISM IS PHARISAISM!"
Posted By: tenavision
Date: Monday, 3 February 2003, 12:05 p.m.
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ZIONISM: THE POLITICAL ARM OF JUDAISM
Posted By: tenavision
Date: Saturday, 27 April 2002, 7:08 p.m.
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.......and the biggie from Rayelan viz RMN Archives: "USURY"
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Informative Email Exchange Between OCI and Rayelan (views: 19)
Rayelan -- Monday, 10 January 2000, 2:21 a.m.
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The FED began with approximately 300 people, or banks, that became owners (stockholders purchasing stock at $100 per share - stock is not publicly traded), in the Federal Reserve Banking System. They make up an international banking cartel, of wealth, beyond comparison (Reference 1, 14). The FED banking system collects billions of dollars (Reference 8, 17), in interest (usury), annually, and distributes the profits to its shareholders. The Congress gave the FED the right to print money, (through the treasury), at no usury to the FED. The FED creates money from nothing, and loans it back to us, through banks, and charges usury on our currency. The FED also buys government debt, with money printed on a printing press, and charges, U.S. taxpayers, usury. Many Congressmen and Presidents say, this is fraud (Reference 1,2,3,5,17). (Note: References are listed on page 14 of this report.)
Who actually owns the Federal Reserve Central Banks? The ownership of the 12 Central Banks, a very well kept secret, has been revealed:
Rothschild Bank of London Warburg Bank of Hamburg
Rothschild Bank of Berlin Lehman Brothers of New York
Lazard Brothers of Paris Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
Israel Moses Seif Banks Goldman, Sachs of New York
of Italy Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
(Reference 14, p.13, & Reference 12, p. 152)
These Bankers are connected to London Banking Houses, which, ultimately, control the FED. When England lost the Revolutionary War with America, they planned to control us, by controlling our banking system, with the profit, on the printing of our money, and our ever increasing debt. (Reference 4).
Instead of the Constitutional method of creating our money and putting it into circulation, we now have and entirely unconstitutional system. This has brought our country to the brink of disaster, as we shall see.

ROTHSCHILD'S WEALTH EQUALS BANKRUPT NATIONS
Posted By: RogueButterfly
Date: Monday, 29 October 2001, 1:51 p.m.
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=14071
Hullo Gog Magog of London - Amsterdam ...we meet again!
Aladdin
15th Ramadhan 1424 - 10th November 2003
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Rothschilds Conduct "Red Symphony"





The 20th Century Unveiled
By Henry Makow Ph.D.

Incredible and bizarre as it sounds, humanity is indeed the victim of a diabolical conspiracy.
War, depression and genocide in the past century were not accidental or inevitable but the result of a malevolent design.
Shocking evidence is a 1938 Stalinist police (NKVD) interrogation of a founder of the Communist International, Christian G. Rakovsky, 65, who was facing the firing squad for plotting to overthrow Stalin.
The 50-page transcript of his interrogation, dubbed "The Red Symphony," was not meant to become public. It confirms that the Rothschild-Illuminati planned to use Communism to establish a world dictatorship of the super rich.
This is perhaps the most extraordinary political document in modern history. It reveals why, to widespread consternation, Stalin made a pact with Hitler in 1939, opening the way for World War Two.
Christian Rakovsky was a veteran Communist insider. Born Chaim Rakeover in 1873, he studied medicine in France before becoming a revolutionary. He was the leader of a terror group that attacked government officials. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RUSrakovsky.htm
In 1919, Lenin put him in charge of the Soviet Ukraine government. He successfully kept the area for the Bolsheviks during the Civil War. Stalin appointed him Russian ambassador to Paris in 1925,
Rakovsky belonged to the powerful Trotskyite faction that took their orders from the Rothschilds. Many of this group were shot in Stalin's 1937 Communist Party purge.
MIDNIGHT INTERROGATION
Thus the circumstances of the midnight interrogation Jan. 26, 1938 were very dramatic.
What could Rakovsky say that would save his life?
Rakovsky appears to use the tactic of "deceiving with the truth." He wins trust by revealing the truth but leaves some of it out. He tries to impress Kus'min that he and Trotsky represent an invincible power he calls the "Capitalist-Communist Financial International."
He confirms that the "revolutionary movement" was designed to enlist support by pretending to serve mankind's moral and collective ideals. The real aim, however, is to divide society, undermine established authority and create totalitarian rule.
"Revolution" really means, "overturning" Western civilization.
"Christianity is our only real enemy since all the political and economic phenomena of the bourgeois states are only its consequences," Rakovsky says. (Griffin, p. 264)
Peace is "counter-revolutionary" since it is war that paves the way for revolution.
Rakovsky refers to the Illuminati as "they" or "them." He claims he does not know them but I suspect he does.
He explains that the "Illuminati" is a Masonic secret society dedicated to Communism. Significantly, its founder Adam Weishaupt took the name from "the second anti-Christian conspiracy of that era, gnosticism." (249)
HOW THIS GRIPPING ACCOUNT SURFACED
The interrogator was one of Stalin's cleverest agents, Gavriil Kus'min known as "Gabriel."
Apart from him and a hidden sound technician, a doctor Jose Landowsky was the only other person present.
Conscripted by the NKVD to help "loosen the tongues of detainees," Dr. Landowsky was sickened by the many tortures he witnessed.
The interrogation of Rakovsky, however, was cordial. Dr. Landowsky doubts if the mild euphoric he put in Rakovsky's drink had much effect.
The interrogation, conducted in French lasted from midnight until 7 a.m. After, Kus'min ordered Landowsky to translate the interview into Russian and make two copies.
The content was so mind boggling that Landowsky made an additional carbon for himself. "I am not sorry that I had the courage for this," he wrote. (279) (The Bolsheviks had shot Landowsky's father, a Tsarist colonel, during the 1917 revolution.)
A Spanish volunteer later found the manuscript on Landowsky's dead body in a hut on the Petrograd front during World War Two. He took it back to Spain where it was published as "Sinfonia en Rojo Mayo." in 1949.
A person with the nickname "Yamaguchi" has posted the first half of "Red Symphony" on the Internet at http://yamaguchy.netfirms.com/symphony/red1.html
The whole transcript was published in English in 1968 as "The Red Symphony: X-Ray of Revolution." You can find it in Des Griffin's "Fourth Reich of the Rich." (1988) I recommend this book.
REVELATIONS
Rakovsky gives his interrogator an astonishing inside view of modern history in order to prove that his sponsors control the world.
"Money is the basis of power," Rakovsky says, and the Rothschilds manufacture it thanks to the banking system.
The "Revolutionary Movement" was an attempt by Meyer Rothschild and his allies to protect and extend this monopoly by establishing a New World Order using the "revolutionary movement."
According to Rakovsky, "The Rothschilds were not the treasurers, but the chiefs of that first secret Communism...Marx and the highest chiefs of the First International ... were controlled by Baron Lionel Rothschild, [1808-1878] whose revolutionary portrait was done by Disraeli the English Premier, who was also his creature, and has been left to us [in Disraeli's novel 'Coningsby.']" (250)
Lionel's son Nathaniel (1840-1915) needed to overthrow the Christian Romanoff Dynasty. Through his agents Jacob Schiff and the Warburg brothers, he financed the Japanese side in the Russo Japanese War, and an unsuccessful insurrection in Moscow in 1905. Then he instigated the First World War, and financed the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution. Rakovsky says he was personally involved in the transfer the funds in Stockholm. (251-252)
The Jewish labour movement or "bund" was Rothschild's instrument. The Bund's "secret faction" infiltrated all the socialist parties in Russia and provided the leadership for the Russian Revolution. Alexander Kerensky, the Menshevik Prime Minister was a secret member. (253)
Leon Trotsky was supposed to become the leader of the USSR. Trotsky, a Jew, married the daughter of one of Rothschild's closest associates, banker Abram Zhivotovsky and became part of the "clan."
Unfortunately "national" Communists like Lenin (one-quarter Jewish) got in the way. Lenin overruled Trotsky and made peace with Germany (Treaty of Brest Litovsk, 1918.) This was not the Rothschild's plan.
World War One was supposed to end the way the Second World War did. Russia was supposed to overrun Germany in 1918 and assist local "revolutionaries" in establishing a "peoples' republic."
Trotsky was responsible for an attempt to assassinate Lenin in 1918 but Lenin survived. When Lenin had a stroke in 1922, Trotsky had Levin, Lenin's Jewish doctor finish him off.
At this critical moment, the unexpected happened. Trotsky got sick and Stalin was able to take power. In the crisis, the Trotskyites pretended to support Stalin and infiltrate his regime.
Radowsky characterizes Stalin as a "bonapartist," a nationalist as opposed to an International Communist like Trotsky.
"He is a killer of the revolution, he does not serve it, but makes use of its service; he represents the most ancient Russian imperialism, just as Napoleon identified himself with the Gauls..." (257)
CONTAINING STALIN
In order to control Stalin, international finance was forced to build up Hitler and the Nazi party. Radowsky confirms that Jewish financiers backed the Nazis although Hitler was not aware of this.
"The ambassador Warburg presented himself under a false name and Hitler did not even guess his race... he also lied regarding whose representative he was... Our aim was to provoke a war and Hitler was war...[the Nazis] received...millions of dollars sent to it from Wall Street, and millions of Marks from German financiers through Schacht; [providing] the upkeep of the S.A and the S.S. and also the financing of the elections..." (259-260)
Unfortunately for the bankers, Hitler also proved intractable. He started to print his own money!
"He took over for himself the privilege of manufacturing money and not only physical moneys, but also financial ones; he took over the untouched machinery of falsification and put it to work for the benefit of the state... Are you capable of imagining what would have come ...if it had infected a number of other states and brought about the creation of a period of autarchy [absolute rule, replacing that of the bankers]. If you can, then imagine its counterrevolutionary functions..." (263)
Hitler had become a bigger threat than Stalin, who had not meddled with money. Rakovsky's present mission was to convince Stalin to make a pact with Hitler and turn Hitler's aggression against the West. The purpose was for Germany and the Western nations to exhaust each other in battle.
Rakovsky urged the Russians to use the tactic of "deceiving with the truth." The Russians were to impress Hitler with their genuine desire for peace. Hitler was not to suspect that he was being set up for a war on two fronts.
Stalin was given a choice. If he agreed to divide Poland with Hitler, the West would declare war on only one aggressor, Germany. If he refused, the bankers would allow Hitler to depose him.
Kus'min demanded some high level confirmation. Rakovsky told him to see Joseph Davies, the US ambassador in Moscow, a fellow Freemason and representative of the International Communist Roosevelt administration.
Someone was sent to Davies who confirmed that "much would be gained" if Rakovsky got an amnesty. On March 2, 1938 a powerful radio message was sent to Moscow in the cipher of its London embassy.
"Amnesty or the Nazi danger will increase," it said." Davies attended Rakovsky's trial and gave him a Masonic greeting. On the same day, March 12 1938, Hitler marched into Austria.
Rakovsky's death sentence was commuted. Some believe he lived out his years under an assumed name. See http://www.acts1711.com/red_symphony.htm Another source has him shot in 1941. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RUSrakovsky.htm
Secret negotiations were begun with Hitler. The result was the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact signed in August 1939 just one week before the invasion of Poland.
The interrogation seems to have created an accord between Stalin and the Illuminati.
RUSSIA STRUGGLES IN ROTHSCHILD CLUTCH
Europe and the United States long ago succumbed to Rothschild Illuminati control. In Russia, there are still some death spasms.
Recently, Vladimir Putin arrested Mikhail Khordordovsky, the head of Russia's largest oil company "Yukos" and "the richest man in Russia."
Putin announced that Russia would seize his $12 billion 26% stake in the oil company, one of many national assets plundered in the reorganization of Communism 15 years ago.
Then we learn the shares already had passed to none other than banker Jacob Rothschild under a "previously unknown arrangement" designed for such circumstances. The two have known each other for years "through their mutual love of the arts." http://washingtontimes.com/world/20031102-111400-3720r.htm
Rakovsky told Kus'min that the Illuminati do not take political or financial positions. They use "intermediaries."
"Bankers and politicians are only men of straw.... even though they occupy high places and appear to be authors of the plans which are carried out..." (248-249)
Obviously Khodordovsky is an "intermediary" for Rothschild. So are Richard Perle, Henry Kissinger and Ariel Sharon who each spoke out against Putin's action. Perle, the architect of the Iraq war, called for the expulsion of Russia from the Group of Eight. Sharon expressed concern about "persecution of Jewish businessmen." Khodordovsky is Jewish as is Simon Kukes his successor. And Perle and Kissinger.
Many Jews serve the Illuminati and that is one reason for anti Semitism. But Tony Blair and George W. Bush serve it too and are not Jewish. The membership of the Bilderbergers and the Skull and Bones is mostly not Jewish. The Illuminati is an alliance between the Rothschilds, and the world's super rich united by Freemasonry, which consider Lucifer to be God.
Mankind, God's magnificent experiment, has been subverted and compromised. From the U.S. soldier in Iraq, to the taxpayer who pays interest on the national debt, we all serve the straw men.
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GOG, MAGOG AND THE
KINGDOM OF THE KHAZARS
Part I
PROLOG
“Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog,
the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and
prophesy against him.” Ezekiel 38:2

Introduction
“A THOUSAND YEARS before the establishment of the Modern State of Israel, there existed a Jewish kingdom in the eastern fringes of Europe, astride the Don and Volga rivers…” So begins a thesis by Jewish author Kevin Alan Brook. The kingdom of which he speaks appears at first consideration to be comprised of nearly as much disinformation, misinformation, “myth”information, and, curiously, NO-information as there is actual provable historical fact. Yet upon closer scrutiny this kingdom, known as Khazaria, or the Kingdom of the Khazars, is clearly revealed in a vast body of historical evidence, much of which has come to light only in the last three to five decades.




The religion of the Hebrews,” writes John Bury, “had exercised a profound influence on the creed of Islam, and it had been a basis for Christianity; it had won scattered proselytes; but the conversion of the Khazars to the undiluted religion of Jehovah is unique in history.” 38

It is indeed a unique historical event, as Bury claims; however it is also interesting that he should refer to their conversion to Talmudic Judaism as “to the undiluted religion of Jehovah.” It is evident that present-day Ethiopian Jews would disagree with Mr. Bury on this matter since they do not adhere to the precepts of the Talmud, Mishnah, Midrash or any of the extra-biblical writings that have arisen since the close of the Old Testament canon. These Jews of North Africa claim only Torah as their scriptural authority. And, unlike their distant “brothers” of the Talmud, they practice their religion quietly and with relatively no involvement in worldly politics.
According to an ancient document entitled King Joseph’s Reply to Hasdai ibn Shaprut, Joseph (a later Khazarian king) stated that, “From that time on the Almighty God helped him [King Bulan] and strengthened him. He and his slaves circumcised themselves and he sent for and brought wise men of Israel who interpreted the Torah for him and arranged the precepts in order.” 39

There appears to be as many historical accounts as to how King Bulan was converted to Judaism as there are historians and mystics to present them. Many of them involve visions of angels, such as the tale by a Sephardic Jewish philosopher detailing a dream in which an angel told the king that his “intentions are desirable to the Creator” but the continued observance of shamanism was not. 40 In the aforementioned document, King Joseph’s Reply, its author claims that in that same dream God promised King Bulan that if he would abandon his pagan religion and worship the only true God that He would “bless and multiply Bulan’s offspring, and deliver his enemies into his hands, and make his kingdom last to the end of the world”.

It is believed by scholars that the dream was designed to simulate the Covenant in Genesis and meant to imply “that the Khazars too claimed the status of a Chosen Race, who made their own Covenant with the Lord, even though they were not descended from Abraham’s seed.” 41 [emphasis supplied]

King Joseph corroborates this in his document as he claims to have positively traced his family’s ancestry back, not to Shem the father of the “Shemites” or Semite peoples, but to another of Noah’s sons. “Though a fierce Jewish nationalist, proud of wielding the ‘sceptre ofJudah’,” Koestler says, “he cannot, and does not, claim for them Semitic descent; he traces their ancestry…to…Noah’s third son, Japheth; or more precisely to Japheth’s grandson, Togarma, the ancestor of all Turkish tribes.”
Koestler adds a footnote to King Joseph’s genealogical claims that is piercingly relevant to this study: “It also throws a sidelight on the frequent description of the Khazars as the people of Magog. Magog, according to Genesis 10:2-3 was the much maligned uncle of Togarma.” Add to this that two other of the sons of Japheth, the progenitor of the Khazars, are Meshech and Tubal, central figures in biblical prophecies of the end times.

King Joseph’s Reply also revealed that the successor to King Bulan, his son Obediah, “reorganized the kingdom and established the [Jewish] religion properly and correctly,” bringing in numerous Jewish sages who “explained to him the twenty-four books [the Torah], Mishnah, Talmud, and the order of prayers.”

This entrenchment in the Jewish religion outlasted the kingdom itself and was transplanted, whole cloth, into the Eastern European settlements of Russia and Poland. 42

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Revelation
By the end of the 1st century CE Jewish tradition had long since changed Ezekiel's "Gog from Magog" into "Gog and Magog", the ultimate enemies of God's people, to be destroyed in the final battle.[21] The author of the Book of Revelation tells how he sees in a vision Satan rallying Gog and Magog, "the nations in the four corners of the Earth," to a final battle with Christ and his saints:

When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the Earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.[22]

Ezekiel's Gog from Magog was a symbol of the evil darkness of the north and the powers hostile to God,[2] but in Revelation, Gog and Magog have no geographic location, and instead represent the nations of the world, banded together for the final assault on Christ and those who follow him.[23]



Qur'an


The Qur'an, in the first half of the 7th century CE, is the last major religious text to give new information on Gog and Magog (or Ya'jūj and Ma'jūj in Arabic). In sura Al-Kahf ("The Cave"), 18:83–98, a mysterious individual called Dhul-Qarnayn ("The Two-horned One") journeys to a distant northern land where he finds a people who are suffering from the mischief of Gog and Magog. Dhul-Qarnayn then makes an iron wall to keep Gog and Magog out, but warns that it will be removed in the Last Age.[24] In sura 21, Al-Anbiyā (The Prophets), the wall is mentioned again: there Allah tells his Prophet (Mohammed) that there is a "prohibition upon [the people of] a city which We have destroyed that they will [ever] return, until [the dam of] Gog and Magog has been opened and thou shall see them, from every higher ground, descending."[25] According to Islamic tradition (in Saḥīḥ al-Bukhāri), Gog and Magog are human beings, and the city mentioned in sura 21 is Jerusalem.[26]



Identifying Gog and Magog


Separate passages in the "Jewish Antiquities" and "Jewish War" of the 1st century CE Jewish historian and scholar Josephus show that Jews of that time identified Gog and Magog with the Scythians: Alexander the Great, Josephus said, locked these horse-riding barbarians of the far north behind the Caucasus mountains with iron gatesA version of this story eventually became the foundation of the Qur'anic tale of Dhul-Qarain, a legendary version of Alexander

Some early Christian writers (e.g. Eusebius) identified Gog and Magog with the Romans Ambrose (d.397) identified them with the Goths,and Isidore of Seville confirmed that people in his day supposed that the Goths were descended from Magog "because of the similarity of the last syllableThe idea that Gog and Magog were connected with the Goths was longstanding; in the mid-16th century, Archbishop of Uppsala Johannes Magnus traced the royal family of Sweden back to Magog son of Japheth,[ and this opinion was accepted in the Swedish court for centuries. In Magnus' account, two of Magog's sons were Suenno, progenitor of the Swedes, and Gethar (also known as Gog or Gogus), the ancestor of the Goths.

In the 6th century, the Byzantine historian Procopius (d. after 562) saw Attila and the Huns as the nation locked out by Alexander, and a little later other Christian writers identified them with the Saracens

Still later, Gog and Magog became identified with the Khazars, whose empire dominated Central Asia in the 9th and 10th centuries. In his 9th century work Expositio in Matthaeum Evangelistam, the Benedictine monk Christian of Stavelot referred to them as descendants of Gog and Magog, and says they are "Circumcised and observing all [the laws of] Judaism";

the 14th century Sunni scholar Ibn Kathir also identified Gog and Magog with the Khazars as did a Georgian tradition, which called them "wild men with hideous faces and the manners of wild beasts, eaters of blood". According to the famous Khazar Correspondence (c.960 CE), King Joseph of Khazaria claimed to be a descendant of Magog's nephew Togarmah
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Separate passages in the "Jewish Antiquities" and "Jewish War" of the 1st century CE Jewish historian and scholar Josephus show that Jews of that time identified Gog and Magog with the Scythians: Alexander the Great, Josephus said, locked these horse-riding barbarians of the far north behind the Caucasus mountains with iron gatesA version of this story eventually became the foundation of the Qur'anic tale of Dhul-Qarain, a legendary version of Alexander


ANGLO-ISRAELISM SAYS THEY WERE THE ISRAELITES WHO CROSSED OVER Caucasus mountains AND SETTLED THE WEST!
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In Gog - They Trust?

On November the 9th 1951, Winston Churchill made a speech at the Lord Mayor of London's Banquet at the Guildhall, marking the occasion of the restoration of the effigies of Gog and Magog to their traditional places of honour in the west end of the Guildhall in the City of London. They had been removed during the Blitz to prevent them from being damaged. Earlier figures had been destroyed in the Great Fire of London in 1666. The present pair were carved by Richard Saunders in 1708.

"It seems that they (i.e. Gog and Magog) represent none too badly the present state of world politics. World politics, like the history of Gog and Magog, are very confused and much disputed. Still, I think there is room for both of them. On the one side is Gog, and on the other is Magog. But be careful, my Lord Mayor, when you put them back, to keep them from colliding with each other; for if that happens, both Gog and Magog would be smashed to pieces and we should all have to begin all over again and begin from the bottom of the pit." (Source: The Times, London, for 10 November 1951)
The term 'The Iron Curtain', was coined by Churchill. Rather an appropriate description, for it was a Curtain of Iron which Dhul Qarnain erected to prevent Gog and Magog spreading their terrifying, malevolent corruption in the land.

In a television documentary, covering the world at war, it was disclosed that before the end of World War II, Joseph Stalin (lets say, representing Gog) and Winston Churchill (representing Magog) met at what was called the 'Percentage Conference', at which they exchanged percentages of the various countries they controlled for those they wished to control. For instance, Britain took a 90% share in Greece, in exchange for giving up its 90% control of Rumania. Afterwards, Churchill is reported to have said to Stalin ‑ who, by the way, was a Georgian from the Caucasus:

"Its a pity God didn't consult us when He made the world?"

To which Stalin is said to have replied:

"Yes, and that was His first mistake."

Britain then fermented civil war in Greece in which the Communists, who looked to Stalin for help, were betrayed by him. A reflection of the Arabic root of Gog (Ya'juj) portrays a meaning association of something worthless, like an artificial pearl, as well as rendering something worthless, and of destroying, annihilating and burning out. Zainab bint Jahsh reported that Allah's apostle, upon whom be showered peace, got up from sleep saying:

"'There is a destruction in store for Arabia because of turmoil which is at hand, the barrier of Gog and Magog has opened so much'. And Sufyan made a sign of ten with the help of his hand (in order to indicate the width of the gap) and I said: 'Allah's Messenger, would we be perished in spite of the fact that there would be good people amongst us'? Thereupon he said: 'Of course, but only when the evil predominates'." (Muslim)

The Bible refers to 'Magog' as the second son of Japheth between Gomer and Madai, Gomer representing the Cimmerians, Madai, the Medes. But in the list of nations, Genesis 10, the term connotes rather the complex of barbarian peoples dwelling at the extreme north and north east of the earth as one finds in that chapter; in Ezekiel 39:6, the Magog is referred to as a northern people, the leader of whom is Gog. According to the Jewish Encyclopedia, article 'Gog and Magog', Josephus identifies them with the Scythians, a name which among the classical writers stands for a number of unknown ferocious tribes. According to Jerome, Magog was situated beyond the Caucasus near the Caspian Sea. The barrier referred to in the Hadith and the Qur'an is the famous wall built between Derbend and Darial. It is a very narrow defile, with overhanging rocks, occurring on the main route between Turkestan and India. It is now in Soviet territory in the district of Daghistan. Before the southern expansion of Russia in 1813, it belonged to Persia. A spur of Mount Caucasus here comes up close to the sea. A map showing this particular route is to be found in the opening of Arthur Koestler's book 'The Thirteenth Tribe'. However, Abdullah Yusuf Ali, in his translation of the Qur'an, says in the appendix to Surah 18, The Cave, in which Gog and MaGog are mentioned, that if, as he believes, Dhul Qarnain, or Zul - qarnain was Alexander the Great, then the more likely location for this iron curtain or obstruction, is near another Derbend in Central Asia. He states:

"...I do not consider that historical or geographical considerations have much bearing on a story treated as a Parable, as Zul - qarnain's story is. Indeed all stories or narrations are referred to in the Qur'an as Parables, for their spiritual meaning. Heated controversies or dogmatic assertions as to precise dates, personalities, or localities, seem to me to be out of place."

He further observes:

"The question of Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog) and the iron barrier built to keep them out is of some interest. It is practically agreed that they were the wild tribes of Central Asia which have made inroads on settled kingdoms and Empires at various stages of history. The Chinese Empires suffered from their incursions and built the Great Wall of China to keep out the Manchus and Mongols. The Persian Empire suffered from them at various times and at various points. Their incursions into Europe in large hordes caused migrations and displacements of populations on an enormous scale, and eventually broke up the Roman Empire. These tribes were known vaguely to the Greeks and Romans as "Scythians", but that term does not help us very much, either ethnically or geographically. If we could locate the iron barrier or iron gates referred to in Surah 18, verse 96, we should have a closer idea of the tribes whom the barrier was meant to keep out. The Barrier in the text must have been more in the nature of iron gates than an iron wall. Two Iron Gates, geographically far apart, have been suggested in the alternative. Sometimes they have been mixed up by writers not strong on geography. Both of them have local associations with the name Alexander the Great. Both are near a town Derbend, and have borne the name Bab - ul - hadid (Arabic for "Iron Gate")".

"The best known in modern times is at the town and seaport of Derbend in the middle of the western coast of the Caspian Sea", formerly the Khazar Sea, but "the gate which corresponds exactly to the Quranic description, and has the best claim to be connected with Alexander's story ... is near another Derbend in Central Asia, Hissar District, about 150 miles south - east of Bukhara. A very narrow defile, with overhanging rocks, occurs on the main route between Turkestan and India: Latitude 38N; Longitude 67E. It is now called in Turkic, Buzghol - Khana (Goat House), but was formerly known as the Iron Gate (in Arabic, "Bab - ul - hadid"; in Persian, "Dar - i - ahani; in Chinese "T'ie - men - kuan"). There is no iron gate there now, but there was one in the 7th century, when the Chinese traveller Hiouen Tsiang saw it on his journey to India. He saw two folding gates cased with iron and hung with bells. Near by is a lake Iskander Kul, connecting the locality with Alexander the Great. We know from history that Alexander, after his conquest of Persia and before his journey to India, visited Sogdiana (Bukhara) and Marcanda (Samarkand). We also know from Muqaddasi, the Arab traveller and geographer, who wrote about AH 375 (AD 985 - 6) that the 'Abbasi Khalifa Wathiq (842 - 846 AD) sent out a mission to Central Asia to report on this Iron Gate. They found the defile 150 yards wide: on two jambs made with bricks of iron welded together with molten lead, were hung two huge gates, which were kept closed. Nothing could correspond more exactly with the description in Surah 18, 95 - 96."

"If then, the Barrier in Surah 18, 95 - 98 refers to the Iron Gate near Bukhara, we are able to proceed to a consideration of the Gog Magog people with some confidence. They were the Mongol tribes on the other side of the Barrier, while the industrious men who did not understand Zul - qarnain's language were the Turks, with their agglutinative language, so different from the languages then spoken in Western Asia. The Barrier served its purpose for the time being. But the warning that the time would come when it must crumble to dust has also come true. It has crumbled to dust. Long since, the Mongols pushed through on their westward journey, pushing the Turks before them, and the Turks became a European power and still have a footing in Europe. We need not bother about the legends of the Gog Magog people. They were reputedly giants, and two tiny hills in flat Cambridgeshire are derisively called the Gog Magog hills! Similarly the statues of Gog Magog in the Guildhall in London, which Maulana Muhammad Ali takes so seriously, only remind us how legends are apt to grow and get transported to strange places. In the Alexander legends of medieval Europe, Gog and Magog are said to have come with 400,000 men to the help of Porus whom Alexander defeated, They fled to the mountains, and Alexander built a wall with brass gates to prevent their irruptions."
On page 115 of 'The Cavendish Encyclopedia of Mythology', we find a 14th - century 'Mongol' painting linking Alexander with Gog and Magog. The caption reads:

"The legends of Alexander the Great seem to have inspired the exploits of a number of Arabian and non - Arabian warrior kings called Dhul - Qarnayn, one of whom is mentioned in the Qur'an. In this 14th - century Il - Khanid 'Mongol' painting, Iskandar (Alexander) is shown extending his realm into the northern regions perpetually shrouded by fog beyond the Caucasus on the route to Gog and Magog."

The link, between Gog & Magog, Goemagog, Gog MacGog, (Mac, meaning son of) or Yajuj * Majuj, with England, was made by Geoffrey of Monmouth in his 'History of The Kings of Britain', around 1136 A.D. The two figures now standing in the Guildhall of the City of London have been officially known as Gog and Magog for the past 300 years. So was Geoffrey of Monmouth just being "inventive" or is there any additional evidence to support his assertion that Britain, particularly the occupants of the Palace of Brute, now The City of London's Guildhall, bear any resemblance to their namesakes - Gog & MacGog, (Yajuj & Majuj)? It might be a valid interpretation of the iron gate that would keep GogMagog at bay until they manage to overcome it, on a day when according to the Qur'an "people will mingle with each other like waves", that it is the mastery of iron, i.e. modern technology, that finally gave them the upper hand in world affairs after the industrial revolution.

In a recent letter to Frank McManus (the present Lord Mayor of Todmorden), John Clark, Curator of Medieval London History and Collections at the Museum of London, pointed out that the link with the City of London and the giant Goemagog goes back to 1558, when wickerwork effigies of Goemagog and his captor, the Trojan Corineus, were carried around The City in the Lord Mayors' processions. In 1558 they were placed at Temple Bar to welcome Queen Elizabeth the Ist on a visit to The City of London having been used earlier on, to welcome Queen Mary and Philip II of Spain at London Bridge in 1554.

Giants have appeared in civic processions in London for more than five centuries, according to Jennifer Westwood, in her book 'Albion. A Guide To Legendary Britain'. In 1415 a pair welcomed Henry V home after Agincourt. Prior to 1554 they seem to have been called Sampson and Herculese. But in Tudor times the more ancient legends of Albion - the earlier name for Britain - came to the fore, and with them, the names of Gog Magog - Gog the Son of Gog.

The story has it, that, Feniusa Farsa was, according to Robert Graves in his 'The White Goddess', "an ancestor of the Irish Milesians". "Why", he says "is Feniusa Farsa described as a Scythian, a grandson and founder of the Milesian race? Gog and Magog are closely connected names. 'GogMagog', Gog the son of Gog - was the name of the giant whom 'Brute the Trojan' is said to have defeated in Totnes in Devonshire in his invasion of Britain at the close of the second millennium. But from where did Gog mac Gog originate. The answer is to be found in Genesis X,2, where Magog is described as the son of Japheth (who figures in Greek myth as Iapetus the Titan, the father of the goddess Asia of Atlas, Prometheus and Epimetheus) and as a brother of Gomer, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meschec and Tiras - who are generally agreed to have been the Cimmerians, the Medians, the Ionians, the Tibarenians, the Moschians and the Tyrrhenians. The Moschians and the iron - working Tibarenians were tribes of the south - eastern Black - Sea region; the wandering Black - Sea tribe of Cimmerians eventually became the Cymry; the Ionians ranked as Greeks in historical times but were perhaps Aegean immigrants into Greece from Phonecia; the Tyrrhenians were an Aegean tribe some of whom emigrated from Lydia to Etruria... Gog is identified with the northern tribe of Gagi mentioned in an inscription of Amenhotep III, and 'Gogarene', in Strabo's day, was the part of Armenia, lying to the east of the territory of the Moschians and Tibarenians. Magog's grandfather was Noah, and Noah's Ararat [of course Noah's ark landed on mount Judi] was in Armenia, so that Magog is usually held to stand for Armenia; though Josephus interprets the word as meaning 'the Scythians', which was an inclusive name for all the Black Sea tribes of his day." This follows on from an earlier mention of Magog where he quotes the following from Keating's 'History of Ireland':

"Feniusa Farsa, a grandson of Magog and King of Sythia, desirous of mastering the seventy - two languages created at the confusion of Babel sent seventy - two persons to learn them."

Another point worth remembering, is the fact that in Gaelic, Jesus is called Isa Mac Maryam - Jesus the Son of Mary.

Another interesting fact is that many words in Irish are similar to Urdu and Persian. Ireland is supposed to be the Land of the Aryans. In Dublin you can find Aryan symbols. The Swastika Laundry for example; and some Irish script is similar to Indian.

It is also interesting to note, that, when Mikhail Gorbachev addressed a gathering at a Guildhall banquet in the City of London, mention was made of "our common European home...". From the foregoing, we can see that Gog and Magog at one level, is a blanket term for all the people of Central Asia, Russia, including the earlier Scythians and the present day survivors of the Khazars, the Ashkenazi Jews. What ever the case may be, Gog and Magog were considered to be descendants of Noah, and as such, human beings; albeit, rather tall. Similar, perhaps, in stature to Goliath, the Giant killed by the Holy Prophet David, peace be upon him. Whether or not they were all tall, the fact remains that men of giant, stature and formidable military prowess existed, and are made mention of in both the Bible and the Qur'an. It could, of course, simply be a metaphorical reference to their military achievements, like those other military "giants" Alexander and Genghis Khan. There is evidence to support the claim that they were the Mongol precursors of Genghis Khan, thwarted by Alexander or Dhul - Qarnain, who still survive. We often hear Shakespeare being referred to as one of the "giants of literature", but he was, to the best of our knowledge, of average height physically.

Following hard on the heals of finding the Ark of Noah, located as stated in the Qur'an on Mount Judi, and corresponding exactly to the biblical dimensions of 300 cubits long x 50 wide (515ft x 135ft), which have recently been carbon dated as being 100,000 years old, we have yet another archaeological find of major significance, which establishes that some accounts in the unaltered scriptures can be taken as literal truth. In 'Wake up!' a publication by 'British Israel', July/August 1994, we find the following information:

"Goliath's skull found near Jerusalem: The Kingdom Times, Belfast, May 1994, carried the story of how a leading archaeologist had found Goliath's scull in a valley west of Jerusalem with the stone from David's slingshot still embedded in his forehead! Dr. Richard Martin says the discovery proves that David's battle with the 10 - foot giant happened just like the Bible said it did, 1,000 years before the birth of Yahshua... " This is the archaeological find of the century, if not of all time," Dr.Martin told reporters at a conference in Jerusalem. "Many people, including scholars and clergymen, would have us believe that the biblical account of David and Goliath is little more than an interesting piece of fiction," he said. "But we found this skull in the valley of El'ah, in the Judean mountains, where David's battle with Goliath was said to have taken place. Even more intriguing, the skull is huge and clearly belonged to a man of enormous stature... And if you believe the Bible, you know that Goliath was 9 feet 8 inches tall... But the most telling piece of evidence is the small round rock we found embedded in the forehead. The Bible tells that David killed Goliath with a stone thrown from a leather sling." Dr.Martin found the skull during an archaeological survey 20 miles south - west of Jerusalem on the 23rd of March, 1993. He and his assistants instantly realized that the find was important; but, it was only when they had performed tests which showed the skull to be between 2,900 and 3,000 years old that they began to think they had found the remains of Goliath. "As I said before, the skull that we had found had a rock stuck in the forehead. There was also evidence to suggest that the head had been severed from the body by a sharp object, most likely a sword. There can be little doubt that this is Goliath's skull. To be perfectly frank, I'm staking my career on it," said Dr.Martin.

It seems difficult to deny, that Gog -Magog are descendants of Noah, upon whom be peace, along with the rest of us. They were, and still are, a people with an overriding desire, and ability to create mischief, havoc and corruption as the means of attaining their objectives. Objectives, which, they believe, always justify the means. It is interesting to note that when discussing the various prophetic traditions about Gog and Magog, the tafsir of Al - Qurtubi, identifies them as the Slavs as the main group of descendants of Japheth, which throws yet another ray of light on the current conflict in the former Yugoslavia as well as previous events in the Balkans that destroyed world peace. Many of the Ahadith quoted describe the tribes of Gog and Magog as numerous and ferocious people who will degenerate into wild and bestial ways.

Further light is shed on the information given by Robert Graves, in the footnotes to Genesis, in the Scofield reference bible. It states:

"A prophetic declaration is made that from Japheth will descend the "enlarged" races (Gen.9:27). On Genesis 10.2, it gives as the descendants of the 'Sons of Japheth' the following tribes:

1. Gomer, Progenitor of the ancient Cimerians and Cimbri, from whom are descended the Celtic family.

2. Magog: From Magog are descended the ancient Scythians, or Tartars, whose descendents predominate in the modern Russia."

Note: Tartar, The New Encyclopedia informs us, was the name employed in China and medieval Europe for the mounted nomads of Central Asia. "Under Gengis Khan and his successors they established the empire of Tartary and from 1238 to 1462 they dominated Eastern Europe. In the form Tartar the name survives in Russian use... The Tartar Republic is an autonomous republic of the USSR. It is situated between the Chuvash and Bashkir and was formed in 1920. Kazan is the capital. People of Turkic speech". "Tartary. The Name, formerly used to describe the land between the Pacific and the Dnieper River which constituted the Mongol Empire. In terms of cities sacked and lands conquered, the Mongols were the mightiest of all the nomadic peoples. In 1206, Temujin, the son of a Mongol chief, who was slain, united the Mongol tribes under his unchallenged leadership. In that same year he was declared Gengis Khan, 'Ruler of the World'." Genkis Khan's pillaging conquests are well known. Continuing in true Ma'Gogian tradition, the Merciless Great Khan, Timur, had 20,000 people massacred after taking Baghdad in 1401. These descendants of the Gog and Ma'Gog family created the largest empire in history. Other branches would keep up the family business. Genghis Cohen perhaps?

Scofield Continued:

"3. Madai: Progenitor of the ancient Medes.

4. Javan: Progenitor of those who peopled Greece, Syria, etc.

5 .Tubal: Tubal's descendants peopled the region south of the Black Sea, from whence they spread north and south. It is possible that Tobolsk perpetuates the tribal name. A branch of this race peopled Spain.

6. Meshech: Progenitor of a race mentioned in connection with Tubal, Magog, and other northern nations. Broadly speaking, Russian, excluding the conquests of Peter the Great and his successors, is the modern land of Magog, Tubal, and Meshech."

7. Tiras: Progenitor of the Thracians."

From these seven sons of Japheth are descended the 'goyim', or Gentile, nations, translated "heathen" 148 times in the Bible. In Genesis 10:3, we find another name related to the present world's problems: That of Ashkenaz, son of Gomer. In the present State of Israel it is a fact that the Ashkenazi, or Gentile Jews, greatly outnumber the Orthodox, Semitic Jews, Giving rise to the assertion that Genesis 9:27, is now a fact of life. It states:

"God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem".

The following article appeared in The Church Times, on the 24th January 1992, by Bishop Hugh Montefiore:

"The liberation of Eastern Europe and the former USSR is good news, but a sad consequence has been a resurgence of anti - Semitism, with stirrings even in Britain fanned by the Maxwell scandals. In fact 'Cap'n Bob', like most Jews, probably did not have much more than a fluid ounce of genuine Jewish blood in his veins. Anti - Semitism is built on a powerful racial myth, accepted by Jews and anti - Semites alike.

Christianity in the Old World is divided mainly on ethnic lines, with the Orthodox Churches in the Middle East and Eastern Europe, and the Catholic and Protestant Churches in the West. So also the Jewish world is divided into Sephardim and Ashkenazim. The Sephardim are so called because they once lived in Spain (Sepharad) until expelled, and thence in the Mediterranean, Turkey, and the Low Countries (and from there to England). The prosperous Spanish Jews had intermarried a lot with Gentile nobles. There were also many Jews who had settled in Italy and elsewhere in the Mediterranean by New Testament times, and their numbers were increased by refugees from Byzantium. Their descendants remained in these countries until eventually expelled.

The largest group is the Ashkenazim in Eastern Europe. In the Bible Ashkenaz is not descended from Shem but Japheth, and Ashkenaz refers to a people living around Mount Ararat and Armenia. In the last century there were very large numbers of Jews in Russia and Eastern Europe. How did they get there? Received wisdom is that they were forced eastwards from France and Germany into Poland, the Balkans, Lithuania and Russia. But there were few Jews in France and Germany to migrate, and European migrations have actually gone from east to west. In the Middle Ages the Khazars, a people of Turkish stock, formed a great empire from the Black Sea to the Caspian, and from the Caucasus to the Volga. They found themselves between the triumphant followers of Muhammad and the forces of Christian Byzantium. They resisted both, and converted to Judaism. Pre - Christian Austria was even said to have been ruled by Jewish princes, and a Byzantine chronicle tells of Hungarian troops observing the Jewish Law. By the 11th Century the Khazar Empire had begun to crumble although it lasted into the 13th. Like the Jews of the Levant, the Khazars lived amid the great trade routes and engaged in commerce; like them too they kept their Judaic faith. Some remained in Russia: most went to the Balkans, Lithuania and Poland, and on to Germany.

It is these who form the origin of the millions of Jews who lived in Eastern Europe. All kinds of evidence supports this. Yiddish, a mixture of Hebrew, Polish and German, contains no word of Franco - Rhenish origin. The hook nose is typical not of the Levant but the Caucasus. There is no one Jewish racial type: in each area Jews conform to the Gentile type among whom they live. 'Anthropology concurs with history in refuting the popular belief in a Jewish race descended from the biblical tribe,' wrote Arthur Koestler 16 years ago in 'The Thirteenth Tribe' but his words were as distasteful to Jews as to their enemies. Shamir is busy peopling the West Bank with Russian Jews of non - Semitic origin, Russian pogroms were against people of Khazar - Turkish stock, Hitler's holocaust was a massacre of non - Semites. Maxwell, a Czech Jew, would have had a similar kind of genetic fingerprint."

Bishop Montefiore should know, he is, after all, of Jewish stock. Which is why Mrs. Thatcher called him her 'Jewish Arch Bishop'. The Scythian, Ashkenazi - Khazar, Robert Maxwell, was certainly guilty of betraying and defrauding countless thousands of countless millions. But, this surely pales into insignificance at the side of the damage inflicted on us by that other False - Israelite, the late, Lord Victor Rothschild, who, at long last, has finally been identified as 'The Fifth Man', alongside the other four Cambridge spies: Guy Burgess, Donald Maclean, Kim Philby, and Anthony Blunt. He was correctly identified as "Britain's greatest traitor", in The Daily Express, on Saturday, October 15th 1994. Hardly surprising, in true Rothschild fashion, he was able to run with the hare and bite with the hounds. For this 3rd Lord Rothschild, of the mighty banking dynasty, was a member of MI5, Israeli Intelligence, the Mossad, the KGB, and an agent - runner for heads of MI6. For a banker, split allegiances do not represent a conflict of interests. They are essential if you are in the business of money lending. Bankers always create conflicts in order to finance both sides.

After all these years of investigating the question of Gog and Magog, we still find some matters unresolved. However, what can be safely said is that the sons of Japheth will be responsible for bringing about the ultimate catastrophe - at the Hill of Megido i.e., Armageddon (Palestine).

If, as would seem to be the case, the 'Tents of Shem' are now occupied by The Sons of Japheth, (Genesis 9:27), then the scene must surely be set for the final showdown. Although Judaism, should not have anything to do with the idea of racial superiority, over the centuries, this has become so, and is one of mankind's abiding errors. Apart from the evidence, identifying the Khazars as non - Semitic; their choice of the term Ashkenazi, immediately places them in the Gentile camp. For Ashkenaz, as we have seen, is identified in Genesis 10:3, as the first born of Gomer, who was the first born of Japheth:

"And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath and Torgomah."

Therefore, the vast majority of the inhabitants of the State of Israel can legitimately be called - Gog and Ma'Gog, who reject Christ and the religion of Abraham, and oppress Muslims. Therefore, they are the vanguard of anti - Christ. And who, but a Zionist sycophant, could deny their historic, despotic credentials.

Author: Islamic Party of Britain
Date Published: Jan 1995

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As Khazars

Christian and Muslim writers sometimes associated the KhazarsKhazarsThe Khazars were a semi-nomadic Turkic people who dominated the Pontic steppe and the North Caucasus from the 7th to the 10th century. The name "Khazar" seems to be tied to a Turkic verb form meaning "wandering"....

with Gog and Magog. In his 9th century work Expositio in Matthaeum EvangelistamExpositio in Matthaeum EvangelistamExposito in Matthaeum Evangelistam is a work by the ninth-century Benedictine monk Christian of Stavelot. As its name implies, it is a commentary on the Gospel of Matthew...
, the BenedictineBenedictineBenedictine refers to the spirituality and consecrated life in accordance with the Rule of St Benedict, written by Benedict of Nursia in the sixth century for the cenobitic communities he founded in central Italy. The most notable of these is Monte Cassino, the first monastery founded by Benedict...

monk Christian of StavelotChristian of StavelotChristian of Stavelot was a ninth-century Christian monk. He is sometimes referred to as Christian Druthmar or Druthmar of Aquitaine. Christian was a noted grammarian, Biblical commentator, and eschatologist. He was born in Aquitaine in the early ninth century CE, and became a monk at the...

refers to the Khazars as HunnicHunsThe Huns were a group of nomadic pastoral people who, appearing from beyond the Volga, migrated into Europe c. AD 370 and built up an enormous empire in Europe. Since De Guignes linked them with the Xiongnu who had been northern neighbours of China 300 years earlier to the emergence of Huns,...

descendants of Gog and Magog, and says they are "Circumcised and observing all [the laws of] Judaism"; the Khazars were a Central AsiaCentral AsiaCentral Asia is a region of Asia from the Caspian Sea in the west, China in the east, Afghanistan in the south, and Russia in the north. It is also sometimes known as Middle Asia, Inner Asia and, colloquially, "the 'stans" and is within the scope of the wider Eurasian continent.Various definitions...
n people with a long association with Judaism. The 14th century SunniSunni IslamSunni Islam is the largest branch of Islam, comprising up to 90% of the total Muslim population of the world. Sunni Muslims are referred to as Ahlus Sunnah wa Al-Jamā‘ah or Ahlus Sunnah for short. Sunni Islam may be referred to as Orthodox Islam...

scholar Ibn KathirIbn KathirIsmail ibn Kathir was an renowned Muhaddith Faqih Historian and Mufassir.-Biography:His full name is Abu Al-Fida, 'Imad Ad-Din Isma'il bin 'Umar bin Kathir Al-Qurashi Al-Busrawi. He was born in 1301 in Busra, Syria . He was taught by Ibn Taymiyya in Damascus, Syria and Abu al-Hajjaj Al-Mizzi,...

also identified Gog and Magog with the Khazars who lived between the Black and Caspian SeaCaspian SeaThe Caspian Sea is the largest enclosed body of water on Earth by area, variously classed as the world's largest lake or a full-fledged sea. The sea has a surface area of and a volume of...
s in his work Al-Bidayah wa al-Nihayah (The Beginning and the End). A Georgian tradition, echoed in a chronicle, also identifies the Khazars with Gog and Magog, stating they are "wild men with hideous faces and the manners of wild beasts, eaters of blood". Another author who has identified this connection was the ArabArabArab people or Arabs are an ethnic group whose members identify as such on one or more of linguistic, cultural, political, or genealogical grounds. Those self-identifying as Arab, however, rarely do so with it as their sole identity...

traveller Ahmad ibn FadlanAhmad ibn FadlanAhmad ibn Fadlān ibn al-Abbās ibn Rašīd ibn Hammād was a 10th century Arab traveler, he is famous for his account of his travels as a member of an embassy of the Arab Abbasid Caliph of Baghdad to the king of the Volga Bulgars, the Kitāb ilā Mulk al-Saqāliba...

. In his travelogue regarding his diplomatic mission to elteberElteberElteber was the client king of an autonomous but tributary tribe or polity in the hierarchy of the Turkic khaganates and Khazar Khaganate....

(vassal-king under the Khazars), he noted the beliefs about Gog and Magog being the ancestors of the Khazars. However, according to the famous Khazar CorrespondenceKhazar CorrespondenceThe Khazar Correspondence was an exchange of letters in the 950s or 960s between Hasdai ibn Shaprut, foreign secretary to the Caliph of Cordoba, and Joseph, Khagan of the Khazars. It is one of the few documents known to have been authored by a Khazar, and one of the very few primary sources on...

, King Joseph of Khazar claims to be the descendant of TogarmahTogarmahTogarmah third son of Gomer, and grandson of Japheth, brother of Ashkenaz and Riphat . He is held to be the ancestor of the peoples of the South Caucasus .- Caucasian/Armenian History :Jewish historian Flavius Josephus Togarmah (Hebrew: תּוגרמה/Togarmah ; Armenian: Թորգոմ/T’orgom ; Georgian:...

, whom is not directly related to Magog.http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/khazars1.html

As Israelites or Jews

The 14th-century Travels of Sir John MandevilleJohn Mandeville"Jehan de Mandeville", translated as "Sir John Mandeville", is the name claimed by the compiler of a singular book of supposed travels, written in Anglo-Norman French, and published between 1357 and 1371....

, a book of fanciful travels, makes a peripheral association between the Jews and Gog and Magog, saying the nation trapped behind the Gates of Alexander comprised the Ten Lost TribesTen Lost Tribes
The Ten Lost Tribes of Israel refers to the tribes of ancient Israel that formed the Kingdom of Israel and disappeared from the Biblical account after the kingdom was destroyed in about 720 BCE by ancient Assyria...

of Israel. Additionally, a German tradition claimed a group called the Red JewsRed JewsThe Red Jews were a legendary Jewish nation that appear in vernacular sources in Germany during the medieval era until about 1600. According to these texts, the Red Jews were an epochal threat to Christendom, and would invade Europe during the tribulations leading to the end of the world.Andrew...

would invade Europe at the end of the worldChristian eschatologyThe word "eschatology" is derived from two Greek words meaning "last" and "study" . It is the study of the end of things, whether the end of an individual life, the end of the age, or the end of the world...

. The "Red Jews" became associated with different peoples, but especially the Eastern European JewsAshkenazi JewsAshkenazi Jews, also known as Ashkenazic Jews or Ashkenazim , are the Jews descended from the medieval Jewish communities along the Rhine in Germany from Alsace in the south to the Rhineland in the north. Ashkenaz is the medieval Hebrew name for this region and thus for Germany...

and the Ottoman TurksOttoman TurksThe Ottoman Turks were the subdivision of the Ottoman Muslim Millet that dominated the ruling class of the Ottoman Empire. Reliable information about the early history of the Ottomans is scarce...
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The Red Jews were a legendary Jewish nation that appear in vernacular sources in GermanyGermanyGermany , officially the Federal Republic of Germany , is a country in Western Europe. It is bordered to the north by the North Sea, Denmark, and the Baltic Sea; to the east by Poland and the Czech Republic; to the south by Austria and Switzerland; and to the west by France, Luxembourg, Belgium,...
during the medieval era until about 1600. According to these texts, the Red Jews were an epochEpoch (reference date)In the fields of chronology and periodization, an epoch means an instant in time chosen as the origin of a particular era. The "epoch" then serves as a reference point from which time is measured...
al threat to ChristendomChristendomChristendom, or the Christian world, has several meanings. In a cultural sense it refers to the worldwide community of Christians, adherents of Christianity...
, and would invade Europe during the tribulationsChristian eschatologyThe word "eschatology" is derived from two Greek words meaning "last" and "study" . It is the study of the end of things, whether the end of an individual life, the end of the age, or the end of the world...
leading to the end of the world.

Andrew Colin Gow studied the original German languageGerman languageGerman is a West Germanic language, thus related to and classified alongside English and Dutch. It is one of the world's major languages and the most widely spoken first language in the European Union. Globally, German is spoken by approximately 120 million native speakers and also by about 80...
texts and concluded that the legend of the Red Jews was a conflation of three separate traditions: the BiblicalBibleThe Bible is a collection of sacred scripture of both Judaism and Christianity. There is no single version: both the individual books and their order vary...
prophetProphetIn religion, a prophet is an individual who is claimed to have been contacted by the supernatural or the divine, and serves as an intermediary with humanity, delivering this newfound knowledge from the supernatural entity to other people...
ic references to Gog and MagogGog and MagogGog and Magog appear in the Book of Genesis, the Book of Ezekiel, the Book of Revelation, and the Qur'an. They are variously presented as men, supernatural beings , national groups, or lands...
, the Ten Lost TribesTen Lost TribesThe Ten Lost Tribes of Israel refers to the tribes of ancient Israel that formed the Kingdom of Israel and disappeared from the Biblical account after the kingdom was destroyed in about 720 BCE by ancient Assyria...
of Israel, and an episode from the Alexander RomanceAlexander RomanceAlexander romance is any of several collections of legends concerning the mythical exploits of Alexander the Great. The earliest version is in Greek, dating to the 3rd century. Several late manuscripts attribute the work to Alexander's court historian Callisthenes, but the historical figure died...
, in which Alexander the GreatAlexander the GreatAlexander III of Macedon , commonly known as Alexander the Great , was a Greek king of Macedon. He is the most celebrated member of the Argead Dynasty and the creator of one of the largest empires in ancient history. Born in Pella in 356 BC, Alexander was tutored by the famed philosopher Aristotle...
encloses a race of heathens behind a great wallGates of AlexanderThe Gates of Alexander were a legendary barrier supposedly built by Alexander the Great in the Caucasus to keep the uncivilized barbarians of the north from invading the land to the south. The gates were a popular subject in medieval travel literature, starting with the Alexander Romance in a...
in Caucasus. These traditions had some overlap already; Gog and Magog are among the nations trapped behind the wall in the Alexander Romance, and the only ones named in the version of the story appearing in Qur'anQur'anThe Qur’an is the main religious text of Islam, also sometimes transliterated as Quran, Kuran, Koran, Qur’ān, Coran or al-Qur’ān. Muslims believe the Qur’an to be the verbal divine guidance and moral direction for mankind...
SuraSuraA surah A surah A surah (also spelled sura, }} is a chapter of the Qur'an.There are 114 surah in the Qur'an. The shortest surah (Al-Kawthar) has only three ayah (verses) while the longest (Al-Baqara) contains 286 ayah.-List of all surah in the Qur'an:...
al-KahfAl-KahfSura al-Kahf "The Cave" is the 18th surah of the Qur'an with 110 ayat. It is a Meccan sura.-Contents and themes:Verses of the chapter tell the story of the People of the Cave . Some number of young monotheistic men lived in a time where they were persecuted. They fled the city together, and took...
(The Cave) 83-98, while The Travels of Sir John MandevilleJohn Mandeville"Jehan de Mandeville", translated as "Sir John Mandeville", is the name claimed by the compiler of a singular book of supposed travels, written in Anglo-Norman French, and published between 1357 and 1371....
explicitly associates the confined nations with the Ten Lost Tribes.

Many pamphlets circulated interpreting such events as the rise of TurkishOttoman EmpireThe Sublime Ottoman State was an empire that lasted from 1299 to 1923....
power in the context of the legendary Red Jews. Philipp MelanchthonPhilipp MelanchthonPhilipp Melanchthon , born Philipp Schwartzerdt, was a German reformer, collaborator with Martin Luther, the first systematic theologian of the Protestant Reformation, intellectual leader of the Lutheran Reformation, and an influential designer of educational systems...
, for example, claimed that the Ottoman TurksOttoman TurksThe Ottoman Turks were the subdivision of the Ottoman Muslim Millet that dominated the ruling class of the Ottoman Empire. Reliable information about the early history of the Ottomans is scarce...
were the Red Jews.

Kevin Alan Brook, among others, speculated, but could not conclusively prove, that the legend of the Red Jews was actually based on misremembered accounts of the KhazarsKhazarsThe Khazars were a semi-nomadic Turkic people who dominated the Pontic steppe and the North Caucasus from the 7th to the 10th century. The name "Khazar" seems to be tied to a Turkic verb form meaning "wandering"....
. Indeed, in Expositio in Matthaeum EvangelistamExpositio in Matthaeum EvangelistamExposito in Matthaeum Evangelistam is a work by the ninth-century Benedictine monk Christian of Stavelot. As its name implies, it is a commentary on the Gospel of Matthew...
, Christian of StavelotChristian of StavelotChristian of Stavelot was a ninth-century Christian monk. He is sometimes referred to as Christian Druthmar or Druthmar of Aquitaine. Christian was a noted grammarian, Biblical commentator, and eschatologist. He was born in Aquitaine in the early ninth century CE, and became a monk at the...
refers to the Khazars as HunnicHunsThe Huns were a group of nomadic pastoral people who, appearing from beyond the Volga, migrated into Europe c. AD 370 and built up an enormous empire in Europe. Since De Guignes linked them with the Xiongnu who had been northern neighbours of China 300 years earlier to the emergence of Huns,...
descendants of Gog and Magog, as well as having been "enclosed" by Alexander, but having since escaped, demonstrating that the Khazars were indeed conflated with two of the three elements making up the legend of the Red Jews. Other medieval sources consider various connections with the Lost Tribes, owing to the Khazars' adoption of JudaismJudaismJudaism is the "religion, philosophy, and way of life" of the Jewish people. Originating in the Hebrew Bible and explored in later texts such as the Talmud, it is considered by Jews to be the expression of the covenantal relationship God developed with the Children of Israel...
, and they are described in Arabic sources as having red hair, a trait associated with the DevilDevilThe Devil is believed in certain religions and cultures to be a powerful, supernatural entity that is the personification of evil and the enemy of God and humankind. The Devil is commonly associated with heretics, infidels, and other unbelievers...
in medieval Germany and possibly the source of the term "Red Jews".

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As Celts
Some legends of Hungarians and certain Celtic peoples say they are descendants of Magog. Poseidonius, for example, mentions that the Cimmerians, considered to be the original ancestors in Celtic traditions, were derived from gug and guas. In Irish tradition, Magog was supposed to have had a grandchild called Heber, who spread throughout the Mediterranean. The result is that Gog — the land of the four corners of the world – has also been identified as lands somewhere in the oceans surrounding the Old World, i.e., the New World (See also the "Gog and Magog in England" section of this article).


As Khazars
Christian and Muslim writers sometimes associated the Khazars with Gog and Magog. In his 9th century work Expositio in Matthaeum Evangelistam, the Benedictine monk Christian of Stavelot refers to the Khazars as Hunnic descendants of Gog and Magog, and says they are "circumcized and observing all [the laws of] Judaism";[25] the Khazars were a Central Asian people with a long association with Judaism. The 14th century Sunni Muslim scholar Ibn Kathir also identified Gog and Magog with the Khazars who lived between the Black and Caspian Seas in his work Al-Bidayah wa al-Nihayah (The Beginning and the End).[26][27] A Georgian tradition, echoed in a chronicle, also identifies the Khazars with Gog and Magog, stating they are "wild men with hideous faces and the manners of wild beasts, eaters of blood".[28] Another author who has identified this connection was the Arab traveller Ibn Fadlan. In his travelogue regarding his diplomatic mission to iltäbär (vassal-king under the Khazars), he noted the beliefs about Gog and Magog being the ancestors of the Khazars.[29]


As Israelites or Jews
The 14th century Travels of Sir John Mandeville, a book of fanciful travels, makes a peripheral association between the Jews and Gog and Magog, saying the nation trapped behind the Gates of Alexander comprised the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel.[citation needed] Additionally, a German tradition claimed a group called the Red Jews would invade Europe at the end of the world. The "Red Jews" became associated with different peoples, but especially the Eastern European Jews and the Ottoman Turks.[30]

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Post by zone on Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:44 am

Gog and Magog:

the false prophetic underpinnings for war.

by HD Kailin.

In remarks delivered before the Senate Foreign Relations
Committee 02/01/07, Dr. Zbignew Brezinski said:

The war in Iraq is a historic, strategic, and
moral calamity. Undertaken under false
assumptions, it is undermining America's
global legitimacy. Its collateral civilian
casualties as well as some abuses are
tarnishing America's moral credentials.
Driven by Manichean impulses and imperial
hubris, it is intensifying regional instability…
If the United States continues to be bogged
down in a protracted bloody involvement
in Iraq, the final destination on this downhill
track is likely to be a head-on conflict with
Iran and with much of the world of Islam
at large… A mythical historical narrative
to justify the case for such a protracted and
potentially expanding war is already being
articulated…"
"El Diablo" is on the verge of starting another war, this
one with Iran. Stepping into the gap to try to head it off,
is no angel but an aging Cold-war Warrior. It is indicative
of how truly grim the situation is, that he felt compelled to
do so. All the same, some 30% of the electorate blithely
continue on their merry way, giving their unreserved backing
to the Administration's war policies.
A report from the Pew Forum, the
Washington-based religion and public
life research centre, said: "The 2004
exit poll showed that a whopping 78%
of white evangelicals voted for President
Bush and that they comprised 23% of
the overall electorate, making them
by far the single most potent voting
block in the electorate."
(The Guardian, 05/31/06)

Were it not for the backing of religious folk from the
Protestant Fundamentalist camp, there would be no war.
What Brezinski dismisses as a "mythical historical narrative,"
in their eyes, is not mythical at all but in keeping with their
understanding of God's revealed will. In this regard, they
believe a climactic battle is just around the corner, one
between the forces of evil represented by "Gog and Magog"
and the forces of Light and Goodness, the latter made up of
good folk like themselves.

Further fueling the drive to war is the Fundamentalists'
unlimited support for the secular Zionist State. However
murderous or shabby it may be, to them it represents God's
prophetic fulfillment to His chosen people. Said Luis Lugo,
the director of the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life
of this phenomenon:
I can tell you, from all of our polling, that
no issue more encapsulates an evangelical
view of the world than the United States'
relationship to Israel. I have had evangelical
leaders say that George Bush can do just
about everything and not alienate his base,
except on the issue of Israel.

It's apparent from the above finding why they're called
"Christian Zionists." But they are not Christian Zionists in
the oldeer sense of wishing to win the Holy Land for
Christendom (as was the case a 1000 years ago during the
Crusader period) nor do they seek to win the Land for Jesus
by persuasive means; rather, they are "proxy-Zionists" who
wish to win the Holy Land for unbelieving Jews. It's an
open question to what extent theirs is the faith once for all
delivered to the saints, and to what extent they are
participants in a death-dealing, doomsday cult of recent
derivation.
If we just let our vision of the world go forth,
and we embrace it entirely and we don't try
to piece together clever diplomacy, but just
wage a total war ... our children will sing great
songs about us years from now.
(Richard Perle, Pentagon advisor)

That is Zionism in a nutshell, "total war" on behalf of
a self-serving goal, that being to rule the world from
Jerusalem. Presumably Perle, the Zionist, would be good
to his own children but - in plotting aggressive, unjust
war - he has made himself an unholy terror to the
neighbors' children. Ethnic cleansing, dead American
soldiers, the maiming of civilians seem to be a matter of
no moment to a "pragmatist" of his stripe for whom the
end always justifies the means. Conversely, it is the place
of all moral Jews and all moral Christians to affirm that
all God's children are valued in God's eyes.

Undergirding the fundamentalists' religio-political
movement is a theological construct known as
"Dispensationalism." A totally artificial prism through
which the Bible is viewed, it is a system that promotes
such impossibilities as a "Dispensation of Law" and a
"Dispensation of Grace," as if Law and Grace were ever,
or could ever, be separated. An intricate, even arcane,
hermeneutic, Dispensationalism is not, as some might
suppose, "that old time religion," but a Johnny-come-
lately, 19th Century novelty with which neither the Bible
not Church fathers, nor the major creeds - whether the
Apostles Creed, the Nicene Creed, or the Westminster
Confession of Faith - know anything about or could
have ever fathomed. Numbering between 20 to 25 million,
the Dispensationalists constitute Bush's core constituency.

One of the novelties of the Dispensationalist belief
system is the idea that it is the place of believers to
advance End Time prophecy, as if this were a moral
imperative. Moral imperative attaches to healing the
sick or feeding the hungry, not to starting apocalyptic
wars so as to bringing prophecy to pass. What motivates
them is the puerile belief in "the pre-tribulation rapture"
which will leave them sitting pretty while everyone else
burns. What they are unaware of is that this is a wholly
made-up doctrine for which there is not one iota of
Biblical support. What I hope to do hereafter is to rescue
the truth of the Bible from their fetid hands by appeals
to reason and Scripture.

This we know and can trace historically, that Zionism
and Dispensationalism are inextricably linked, having
arisen at the same time and place, (mid-19th Century
Great Britain, and both were sponsored by the same elite
establishment. As it were, they are two horns grown from
the same head, that being Anglo-Israelism. As such they
compliment each other in curious ways. On the one hand,
the intellectual foundation for the Jewish return is provided
by Christian Dispensationalists. By returning to the Land,
the Jews provide the Dispensationalists with the visible
"proof" they need that their system of exegesis is approved
of God. The Jewish Zionists, through their control of the
mass media also provide Dispensationalist ministers the
oxygen of publicity. Hence, a platform for Jerry Falwell,
or Frank Graham, etc. while these clergymen merchandise
their flock to raise up canon fodder for the Jews.

While we often think of Zionism in terms of being a
19th Century political movement to establish a homeland
for the Jewish people, yet in reality, its history long predates
our times. After the Temple's destruction by the Romans
in 70 AD, Mount Zion was deliberately left vacant and in
ruins for almost 600 years, first by pagan Rome, then by
Christian Byzantines as a sign of God's judgment against
the Jews. But then, following the Muslim conquest led by
Omar ibn al-Khattab in 638 AD, the order went forth to
clear the Temple site. Some 50 years later, the Dome of
the Rock was constructed, not as a mosque, but as a house
of prayer. This then was Muslim Zionism.

Then in 1090 AD, the crusaders took possession of the
Temple Mount, converting the Dome of the Rock into a
Christian Church called the Templum Domini i.e., "Temple
of our Lord." This then was Christian Zionism and so it
remained until Saladin's army retook Jerusalem in 1187 AD
and restored the Dome to Islam.

Later, in 1492 Christopher Columbus set sail to distant
parts in search of treasure. Immediately on finding the
source of the Natives' gold, he enslaved all the Americans
he could lay his hands upon and worked them to death to
mine it, but his motive was not, as some have surmised,
personal enrichment for he was a religious zealot who had
taken to wearing a Franciscan habit and referring to himself
by the title "Christ-bearer." His expressed intention was
to fund an expedition to retake the Holy Land. In this he
was acting as an agent to King Ferdinand of Spain, who,
on his deathbed, in 1516 told his minions that he could not
die yet, that God had told him that he would lead a great
crusade to recapture Jerusalem but he died a disappointed
man.

What then is Zionism? It is the impulse to seize the
religious high ground, to be king of the mountain, of which
none stands higher in the eyes of monotheists than that
of the Temple mount in Jerusalem. It matters not whose
Zionism it is, whether Muslim, Christian, Jewish, or any
other, for it necessarily entails cancelling God's Judgment
of 70 AD. Most Jews know it's sacrilege to trample the
Temple's precincts, yet Zionism is enticing them on in that
direction. It is very insidious.
... The same families who own and control the
Federal Reserve and other major financial
institutions have their eyes set on the Temple
Mount, and the Holy City of Jerusalem. ... one
thing I am convinced of is that Holy men of
God will not be the ones to rebuild the Temple,
it will be the Illuminati. For God would not send
men to that place to perform blood sacrifices.
His Son’s blood was the perfect sacrifice;

... The Supreme Court building sits on a plot of
land opposite the Knesset and next to the
Foreign Ministry and the Central bank of Israel.
It is important to keep in mind that it sits in
line with the Knesset, for we will be talking
about Ley- Lines that cross under this pyramid
running to the Knesset, with other ley-lines
that cross in perfect order to the center of
Jerusalem and on to the Rockefeller Museum.

... The first thing you will notice is the pyramid
with the all Seeing Eye just like the one you
will see on the American dollar bill, it sits in
a circle to the left. The larger circle you see
at the bottom of the picture is an inverted-
cross designed to walk on. It is the only
religious emblem designed to be trampled
on under foot. At the top of the picture is
a Moslem Gravesite, and just out of view to
the right is an Egyptian Obelisk. And all
through the building you will detect Hindu
Altars. All of this will make more sense as
we go along, keep in mind we are talking about
the establishment of a form of Government
that will usher in the anti-Christ.

... Giving recognition to the Rothschilds, you
will notice the Rothschilds emblem at the top.
It is the symbol for the founder of the
Rothschild Dynasty and his five sons, who
established central banks throughout Europe.
The Rothschilds made several stipulations
with the Israeli Government before the
building began, among them were. The
Rothschilds would pick the plot of land to
build the Supreme Court; they would use their
own architects, and no one would ever know
how much the building cost. It took them four
years to build this structure with many secrets
built into it. ("The Roots of Evil in Jerusalem,"
Jerry Golden)

[Please see: www.TheGoldenReport.com for the full story,
particularly as there are numerous photographs involved.]

If present-day "Christian Zionism" is "proxy-Zionism,"
so also is Jewish Zionism merely "placeholder Zionism."
The Jews emigrate to the Land in order to wrest it from
its native, Arab inhabitants that they might have it for
themselves but then, in due course, they too will get shoved
aside, for from the beginning the plan has been to replace
Judaism by a universal Zionism more suitable to the task
of melding all the peoples in the world into one religious
system. For that is the goal: a one-world religion, a one-
world economic system, a one-world government for this
suits the overweening ambitions of the New York money
men, the Anglo-American Establishment, and other elites
who seek to rule the world from Jerusalem.

One hotbed of Zionist sentiment is Anglo-Israelism.
It entails the belief that the British royal family are
descendants of the Merovingian dynasty. Presumably, this
line descends from the physical union of Jesus and Mary
Magdalene. It further believes, that their offspring are
ordained by God one day to rule the world from the revived
Davidic throne in Jerusalem. (Recently these concepts
have been given common coin in the Da Vinci Code, for
the book and movie each reached audiences in excess of
50 million.) All of this stands on its head the egalitarianism
of Jesus' "little flock," his summoned-out community.
However anachronistic it may seem to us, the concept
of the Divine Right of Kings still resonates in certain
circles of privilege.

Meanwhile, sucker-puched Zionists (whether Jewish
or Christian, whether Neo-Cons or Theo-Cons) are
making common cause for both depend on an apocalyptic
"clash of civilizations" (actually a clash of religions) to
bring about their respective visions of a "New World Order"
ruled from Jerusalem. With this in mind that a nuclear
war against Iran is imminent, on 01/17/07, the Bulletin of
the Atomic Scientists appropriately moved the minute
hand on its "doomsday clock" two minutes closer to
midnight. Or, as the Reverend John Hagee put it recently:

Just before us is a nuclear countdown with
Iran, followed by Ezekiel’s war (as described
in Ezekiel, chapters 38 and 39), and then the
final battle — the battle of Armageddon.
Following Ezekiel 38, Russia will give military
leadership to the radical Islamics who want to
destroy the state of Israel and control Jerusalem.
That is the battle of Gog and Magog. And
God himself will destroy the Russian-Arab
coalition. The world will see God defending
Israel as it hasn’t seen since Pharaoh.
The end of the world as we know it is rapidly
approaching, ... Just before us is a nuclear
countdown with Iran, followed by Ezekiel's
war (as described in Ezekiel, chapters 38
and 39), and then the final battle -- the
battle of Armageddon.
(John Hagee, Jerusalem Countdown '06)

I do not take Rev. Hagee, a nationally known minister of
the Word, to task for resorting to Holy Writ as his source
for prophetic understanding, for it is written:

Surely YHVH will do nothing, but he revealeth
his secrets unto his servants the prophets.
(Amos 3:7)

but I do take Rev. Hagee to task for the way he reads the
Bible, perceiving that he grossly perverts its meaning.

Inasmuch as Hagee has invoked the names "Gog and
Magog," I think it appropriate to repair to the only two
books in thew Bible mentioning them - Ezekiel and
Revelation - and this in only three chapters. Also there
is also a single, but significant, mention of Magog in
Genesis 10:2-3. In other words, this subject can be
investigated without the need for doing a long, involved
study. But let us be sure to consider both Ezekiel, chapters
38 and 39 and Revelation, chapter 21 in tandem, side-by
-side, (something fundamentalists often fail to do), for
then it will become readily apparent that the Scriptural
time-frame cannot be squared with the Dispensationists'
time-frame.

Thus reads Revelation:
And when the thousand years are expired,
Satan will be loosed out of his prison, and
shall go out to deceive the nations which
are in the four corners of the earth, Gog
and Magog, to gather them together to battle:
the number of whom is as the sand of the
sea. And they went up on the breadth of
the earth, and compassed the camp of the
saints about, and the beloved city: and fire
came down from God out of heaven, and
devoured them all. (Revelation 21:7-9)

Once this straightforward statement is accepted, then
one cannot be buffaloed so easily by Zionists and their
Dispensational allies (who overlap for they are often one-
and-the-same) into supporting their nefarious wars.
Anyone who says to us, "Gog and Magog is at hand,"
should be pointed in the direction of the verse above or
better yet, taken by the hand and shown it, then, gently
informed, "Sorry, but it would appear that you're more
than a 1000 years off in your prediction."

Writing in 1911, T. B. Baines in his 5th edition of The
Revelation of Jesus Christ, wrote regarding the John's
Apocalypse:

Gog and Magog are here used in a wider sense
than in Ezekiel, and their invasions differ in
time and details, though agreeing in character
and object, with that which he foretells.

Apparently in his opinion, the Gog and Magog of John's
Revelation is not the same as in Ezekiel. More recently,
concurring in this view, Dallas Theological Seminary's
celebrated Dispensationalist theologian, John F. Walvoord,
in his book, also titled, The Revelation of Jesus Christ,
claimed two Gogs and two Magogs:

Ezekiel's battle probably occurs previous to the
battle of the great day of God Almighty before
the millennium, whereas this [in John's
Revelation] occurs after the thousand years
have been finished.

That the End Time's sequence of events has been, and
remains, an unsolved riddle is evident from the book The
Magog Invasion. Written by Couer d'Alene's fundamentalist,
teacher/evangelist/organizer, Chuck Missler, it states:
The sudden appearance of "Gog" in the Ezekiel
text, without any apparent background from
other passages, has puzzled commentators for
centuries.

So what is one to do when an apparent discrepancy is
identified, in this instance, between Ezekiel's and Revelation's
Gog and Magog accounts? Should we grant Revelation
precedence for being more recently written or should we
follow the Law of First Mention whereby a Scriptural
designation is that which it was first defined as being, and
grant Ezekiel's account precedence? Some have concluded
that Scripture is inherently conflicted and have given up
seeking any rhyme or reason to it whatever. In this instance,
there's reason to look to the manuscript record as a way of
clearing up this apparent discrepancy, for there is reason to
believe that deliberate tampering has occurred.

These are the facts: in 1871 a 5th Century AD Latin
palmpiset codex came to public attention, published in
Vienna by Ernst Rasnke, as "Palimpsetorum Wirceburgensis:
Antiquuissimae Veretis Testamenti Versionis Latinae
Fragmenta." Denominated "Codex Wiceburgensis," it
provides the best text of the Vetus Latina, that is, the Old
Latin, that we know of. This then is the ordering of its
text in Ezekiel:
Chapter 36:1-15: regeneration of the Land; 36:16-23b:
regeneration of the people (but 36:23c-38, a
transitional section found in "canonical" Ezekiel
is absent from Wirceburgensis and its allied texts.)
Chapter 38: two prophesies against Gog;

Chapter 39:1-20; a third prophecy against Gog: 39:21-
29: Israel's Return.
Chapter 37:1-14; a vision of the Valley of Dry Bones;
37:15-28; the two Sticks.
The existence of this one, seemingly aberrant, text did
not register greatly with scholars, at least not initially, but
then, in 1931, a Greek 3rd Century papyrus text, denominated
"P967," surfaced. It contains the oldest copy of Ezekiel we
currently have. Lo and behold, it too has the same ordering
of the text as does Codex Wirceburgensis, only the latter's
text is less corrupted and more complete, a sure indication
that antecedent to both the Latin codex and the Greek
papyrus was an older text of the same, general family.

Another salient point - both the Latin and Greek
manuscripts lack Ezekiel 36:23c-38. Were it only a matter
of text having been transposed, one might suppose that an
accident had occurred involving leaves falling from a
manuscript which were then picked up and put back together
out of order or that a careless scribe went off to lunch and
forgot where he left off on returning but something more
is going on. Filler has been added to bridge and smooth
the gap between Ezekiel 36:23b and Ezekiel 37:1. That
cannot be written off as mere happenstance or as
inadvertence either

Then, more recently, amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls was
found what is called Pseudo-Ezekiel, the oldest copy of
which is 4Q391, which is dated paleographically to the
late 2nd Century BC. Not Ezekiel but modeled on Ezekiel,
Pseudo-Ezekiel, according to Dr. Devorah Dimant in the
book Qumran Cave 4, XXI: Parabiblical Texts, Psudo-
Prophetic Texts, page 312, follows not canonical Ezekiel's
order but what I shall now term "archaic" Ezekiel an
appropriate name, I think, for a text having a goodly claim
to preserving the original order.

Arises then the question, who would tamper with
Ezekiel's text and why? Evidently someone wanted the
vision of the "Valley of Dry Bones" and the joining of the
"Two Sticks," those being Judah and Israel, to happen
before the battle with Gog and Magog. We cannot at this
late date say with absolute certainty what someone's
motivations were who lived that long ago, but it would
seem by way of an educated guess, that this involved the
desire to foreshorten the Dispersion following the Fall of
Jerusalem in 70 AD. Not only that, it would have to be
someone who had the power to control the manuscript
tradition. Only one party I know of comes to mind, namely,
the late 1st Century, rabbinical academy perating under
Rabbi Yohannon ben Zakkai's auspices, which was located
in the costal village called Yavnah. This academy is
thought to have decided what is or is not "canonical." I
would identify their activities as being the first, tentative
stirrings of the current Zionist movement.

Now let us move on to consider how secure the sequence
of End Time events really are. According to Dr. Thomas
Ice, one of the Dispensationalists' heaviest hitters, has 20
books to his credit. His Th.M was from Dallas Theogical
Seminary and his Ph.D. is from Tyndale Theological
Seminary:

The battle of Gog and Magog in Ezekiel 38 and
39 is one of the most debated items in the area
of biblical prophecy. Commentator Ralph
Alexandr said, "One of the perennial enigmas
of Biblical prophecy is has been the Gog and
Magog event described in Ezekiel 38 and 39."
Almost every aspect of this ancient prophecy
has been disputed, including whether it was
fulfilled in the past or is still a future prophecy.
Who are the peoples involved and do they relate
to modern nations? How should we understand
the weapons that are described? If a future
event, when does it take place on the prophetic
timeline?

Prophecy expert, Mark Hitchcock notes: "By
far, the most controversial issue in Ezekiel
38-39 is the setting or timing of the invasion.
The specific time of the invasion in Ezekiel
38 is difficult to determine." Tim LaHaye
and Jerry Jenkins in their best-selling novel
Left Behind, invasion of Israel right before
the rapture of the church. The strength of
this position is that it accounts for the burning
of the weapons of war for seven years as
mentioned in Ezekiel 39:9. However, Tim
LaHaye has told me personally that even
though they represented a pre-rapture
position on Ezekiel 38 and 39 in their novel,
he tends to place it after the rapture but
before the tribulation.

Another major argument is based upon the
statement that Israel will be "living securely,
all of them" (Ezek. 38:8), which is the result
of the false peace brought by the anti-Christ
in the first half of the tribulation. This view
has a lot in its favor. The last major view is
that the battle of Ezekiel 38 and 39 will occur
at the end of the millennium. The basis for
this view is significant since Revelation 20:
7-9 speaks of a conflict at the end of the
millennium when Satan is released. Verse
8 says, "(Satan) will come out to deceive the
nations which are in the four corner of the
earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them
together for the war . . ." The strength of
this view is obvious, Gog and Magog are
specifically mentioned in the text.
("Ezekiel 38 and 39, Part I", Thomas Ice)

How plain is that? About as plain as mud, yes? As we can
see, big question marks remain regarding Gog and Magog's
identity. Are we sure that we've got "the bad guys" properly
ID'ed? Misidentifying Gog and Magog, who they are supposed
to be, and from whence they're suppose to hail, can only result
in unjust wars. It seems to me we owe it to ourselves, as well
as to anyone else, to get our identifications right before going
on a killing spree. This much we know from Genesis 10:3,
that Magog is one of Japheth's sons. That means he's
Caucasian. Beyond that, there's little to go on that's obvious.

There is the Hashemite Kingdom Theory, the Caucus
Theory, the All Europe theory, the Russian Theory, the
Indo-European Theory, etc. In the Middle Ages, Christians
saw the Mongel invaders as Gog and Magog. A 1000 years
earlier, Josephus identified the Scythians as being Gog. In this
we start to see a pattern, Josephus was a Roman citizen and the
Scythians were Rome's enemy. Certain apocalyptic web sites
identify Bin Laden as Gog (that despite his excellent credentials
for being a Semite!) Some Muslims identify the West in
general as being Gog and Magog, and so it goes.
... when the Scythians threatened, it was the
Scythians; when the Huns threatened, it was the
Huns; and when the Alans threatened, someone
would call the Alans 'God and Magog'; so too
with the Khazars, the Turks, the Magyars, the
Parhians, the Mongols. Marco Polo in the
thirteenth century thought that Gog and Magog
must be represented by the Mongol horde which
had just conquered most of the East ...
This manner of interpreting the Bible by current events (rather
than interpreting current events by the Bible) is a good example
of "newspaper exegesis," whereby Gog and Magog are usually
little more than one's favorite bad guy of the moment. Personally,
if I wanted to play this silly game, I would choose the Khazar
Theory, whereby the Ashkenazi Zionists, the Holy Land's current
occupiers, are identified as "Gog and Magog."

Of the Khazars, Heinrich von Neustadt, around 1300 AD, wrote,
that they were as the "terrifying people of Gog and Magog."
Along this line, Arthur Koestler wrote:
The evidence ... adds up to a strong case ... that
the bulk of modern Jewry is not of Palestinian,
but of Caucasian origin. The mainstream of
Jewish migrations did not flow from the
Mediterranean across France and Germany to
the east and then back again. The stream moved
in a consistently westerly direction, from the
Caucasus through the Ukraine into Poland and
thence into Central Europe. When that
unprecedented mass-settlement in Poland
came into being, there were simply not enough
Jews around in the west to account for it; while
in the east a whole nation was on the move to
new frontiers.

... their ancestors came not from the Jordan but
from the Volga, not from Canaan but from the
Caucasus, once believed to be the cradle of the
Aryan race; and that genetically they are more
closely related to the Hun, Uigur and Magyar
tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac and
Jacob. (Arthur Koestler, The Thirteenth Tribe)

What makes dating identifying Gog and Magog so
important is that there are those who are using this prophecy
to justify preemptive, nuclear war. For example, on CNN's
Live From ... (07/26/06), a nine-minute segment was devoted
to anchor Kyra Phillips' quizzing best-selling Christian
authors, Jerry Jenkins, co-author of The Left Behind book
series, and Joel C. Rosenberg, author of The Ezekiel Option,
about the current Middle East situation:

PHILLIPS: So, Joel, are we living in the last
days? I mean, let's talk about the specific
signs to watch. You've written about them.
What does the Bible say, and are we there?

ROSENBERG: Well, people are very interested,
I agree. Tim and Jerry's books deal with the
Rapture, the disappearance of the church, and
the events going forward in Revelation. My
theories -- The Ezekiel Option, The Copper
Scroll -- are about events that could lead up
to the Rapture and the return of Christ. Yeah,
people are interested because the rebirth of
Israel, the fact that Jews are living in the Holy
Land today, that is a Bible prophecy. When
Iran, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Russia, they begin
to form an alliance against Israel, those are
the prophecies from Ezekiel 38 and 39. I've
been -- that's what I'm basing my novels on.


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I've been invited to the White House, Capitol
Hill. Members of Congress, Israelis, Arab
leaders all want to understand the Middle
East through the lens of biblical prophecies.
I'm writing these novels that keep seeming
to come true. But we're seeing Bible prophecy,
bit by bit, unfold in the Middle East right now.

PHILLIPS: And you talk about epic battles for
Jerusalem -- the biblical prophecy. Get
specific with us. Tell us what's happening
now that totally correlates with what you've
written about biblically.

ROSENBERG: Well that's right. Ezekiel 36 and
37, those are chapters in the Bible, the Old
Testament, about the rebirth of the state of Israel
and Jerusalem coming back under Jewish
control. We've seen those prophecies happen.
Ezekiel 38 and 39, what my novel The Ezekiel
Option is about, is an alliance of Islamic
countries to destroy Israel and liberate
Jerusalem.

Jewish Christians are generally much discriminated against
in Israel, yet Rosenberg somehow found acceptance at the
highest levels of the Israeli political system, including being
employed with with former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu, and Member of Parliament Natan Sharansky. This
only makes sense if one assumes that he subordinated his
religion to the needs of the Zionist State. His recent suggestion
that Russia be added to the Bush administration's "axis of evil"
fits with that conclusion. In an article titled: "The End Times
Hits Primetime" by Matt Taibbi, posted to RollingStone.com
08/30/06, Taibbi wrote:
There have been indications lately that this
whole End Times business is fast becoming
more than a crazy hobby among the mutant-
evangelist set, and is actually playing an
important role in Middle East politics,
specifically in guiding America’s Israel
policy.
Joel C. Rosenberg, born into an Orthodox
Jewish family but a convert to Christ at 17,
is a former senior advisor to Israeli Deputy
Prime Minister Natan Sharansky and former
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
Think about it: a former high-ranking Israeli
official returns to the United States and starts
writing a new genre of End Times bestsellers
whose main ideological thrust is that the United
States must stand by Israel to guard against a
future invasion by a mega-powerful
multinational Antichrist, one that includes
the forces of the Arab world, Russia, Germany,
and those ... French — an invasion which,
he repeatedly says in numerous television
appearances, is about to happen at any moment.

Rosenberg was on Fox numerous times
throughout this summer’s Israeli-Lebanon
conflict, warning of a cataclysmic attack by
Iran. He appeared on Neil Cavuto’s show on
August 16 and claimed that the Iranian
president was saying that “the end of the
world is rapidly approaching and that it’s
his mission to bring it about by destroying
Israel.” At no time did he mention that he
himself was the author of apocalyptic novels.

When the end of the world is being soberly
predicted on most of our major television
networks and the Wall Street Journal, and
a group dedicated to End Times fantasies
can summon the attention of Senators, a
Republican Party chairman, and the heads
of two nuclear states, this matter stops being
a conspiracy theory. We might have to face
the fact that American politics as departed
the world of the rational and has entered the
realm of a cultist dynamic.
The question arises, are these expounders of prophecy
content to predict terrible events or are they willing to go
further and become collaborators with those who bring such
events to pass? Let us see. On 10/26/01, the highly-
connected, multi-millionaire, Chuck Missler posted to
the web an article titled: "A legacy of hate: Jihad in
America" in which he stated:

Even now, none of us have recovered from the
shocks of September 11, 2001. ... We certainly
were shocked, yes; but it should not have come
as a surprise. ... Avi Lipkin, from our own
platform in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, warned
specifically about the likelihood of an attack on
the World Trade Center in New York.
(10/01, Personal Update Newsletter)

Oh really? And knowing that there was going to be an
attack on the World Trade Center, did Lipkin warn
authorities so that lives could be saved or did he just sit back
and let it happen? And by the way, what was his source of
information? In other words, what did he know and when
did he know it? Since overwhelming evidence exists that
the three Trade Towers were taken down in a controlled
demolition using pre-placed explosive charges and further
evidence linking the Zionist State's spy agency, Mossad,
to the deed, it is important to pursue this line of inquiry on
that account alone. But there's more to it than that. Lipkin
is now predicting "another 9/11." Given his track record
of specfic, insider knowledge on the subject; also, given his
background in Israeli government as a high -level, former
advisor to Prime Minister Yitzak Shamir, one would think
it only prudent to take his predictions seriously. The only
question I have is, why wasn't he taken into custody long
go for questioning?
The Lord didn't say nuclear, but I do believe
it'll be something like that — that'll be a
mass killing, possibly millions of people,
major cities injured.''
(Pat Robertson, ''The 700 Club'' 01/03/07)

Is this just the Rev. Pat Robertson talking trash or has he been
tipped off? Last year (05/06), Robertson in his interview with
Joel Rosenberg had this curious exchange of views:
ROBERTSON: The Ezekiel Option – we’ve
been talking about it – it looks like things are
lining up in an incredible way. Who would
have that Iran – which is mentioned in Ezekiel –
would now be now the vicious enemy of Israel,
the Sudan would be an Islamic dictatorship,
Russia would be moving in, the Caucasian
republics … who would have thought this
would happen, say, 50 years ago? It didn’t
seem possible.

ROSENBERG: No, that’s right. Ezekiel wrote
his prophecy 2,500 years ago and for most of
that time people thought this just proves that
the Bible can’t possibly know what it’s talking
about. But as I wrote in The Ezekiel Option -
you and I have talked about this in the past –
this war is going to happen, what’s called
“The War of Gog and Magog.” Russia, Iran,
Lebanon, Syria, Libya, Sudan, these other
countries are going to come to attack Israel
and wipe her off the planet. Are we there yet?
It’s too early to say, to be honest, but we are
certainly moving in the trajectory of something
that Ezekiel prophesied. I tried to write out a
scenario in my previous novel – The Ezekiel
Option: what would it look like if it happened
in our lifetime? But people are emailing me
from literally all over the world right now
to explain, “Doesn’t it seem like we’re getting
closer?” And it does seem like we're getting
closer.

ROBERTSON: Well, ladies and gentlemen,
it’s a fascinating and fun book to read. And
it’s nice to read one where you say it’s fiction
but yes, this might well happen. And I won’t
give away the plot, but it’s very interesting,
and before it’s finished the treasure is there,
by the way. Joel, thank you very much….
God bless you.
God bless us all, indeed, and protect us from the fury of
these doomsday cultists. Theirs is not the historic faith but
a religion of War and Rapture. Seemingly they learned
nothing from their Iraq debacle for now they are all a twitter
at the prospect of a new war, this time with Iran. But what's
in it for them? One word says it all, "rapture." They believe
that the Bible promises that before the great tribulation -
when things get really ugly - that they'll be raptured out of
the world. What delusion! The concept of a pre-tribulation
Rapture has one iota of Biblical support but is made from
whole cloth. Their so-called "Judeo-Christianity" is neither
historic Judaism, nor historic Christianity, but is the recent
amalgamation of Zionism and Dispensationalism, formed
for the purpose of advancing a self-interested elite.

So how is it with the Hagees and the Robertsons, the
Lipkins and the Rosenbergs, and other such nukee-pukees
who but salivate at the prospect of a world war? Do they
think to burnish their reputations by the accuracy of their
prophetic council? Actually what this is all about is the
unreality of their profession of faith and it reflects poorly
on their followers, that their faith should need this kind
of reinforcement - war and rumor of war - to fortify it.

And when these warmongers' nasty little business comes
to fruition, if indeed it does (and lets hope it doesn't), they
will have earned the enmity of us all. I predict the day will
come when they will be remembered for the thoughtless
way they went about setting the world afire.


Quote without comment:


The kingdom of God shall be taken from you
[the Jewish nation], and given to a nation
producing the fruits thereof. (Matthew 21:43)

But ye [who believe] are a chosen generation,
a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar
people; that ye should shew forth the praises
of him who hath called you out of darkness
into his [Jesus'] marvelous light: ...
(I Peter 2:9)

Let no man deceive you by any means; for that
day shall not come, except there come a falling
away first and that man of sin be revealed, the
son of perdition; who opposeth and exalteth
himself above all that is called God, or that is
worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the
temple opf God, shewing himself that he is God.
(II Thessalonians 2:4-4)

A growing Christian-Zionist doomsday cult
that has largely rejected the core teachings of
the historical Jesus of the New Testament in
favor of a dangerous mixture of jingoistic
support for preemptive wars of conquest
and an arrogant determination to force the
appearance of the avenging God of the
Revelation of St. John the Divine on on a
schedule of their own choosing.
(Michael Gillespie, 12/28/04)

Political Zionism is an agency of Big Business.
It is being used by Jewish and Christian
financiers in this country and Great Britain,
to make Jews believe that Palestine will be
ruled by a descendant of King David who will
ultimately rule the world. What delusion! It
will lead to war between Arabs and Jews and
eventually to war between Moslems and non-
Moslems. That will be the turning point of
history.
(Henry H. Klein, A Jew Warns Jews, 1947)
We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether
you like it or not. You can hasten our arrival or
you can equally retard it. It is however better
for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive
powers being turned into a destructive power
which will overthrow the world.
(Chaim Weizmann, 1920)

I confess proudly, that Dispensationalism is the
true interpretation of Bible prophecy. ... God
the Father will be reunited with the Jews ... and
will save all Israel; not by the blood of Christ,
but by restored animal sacrifices. ... Anyone
who denies Israel still has an unfulfilled
Covenant in Abraham without regard to
Christ, is an anti-Semite.
(The Reaper is Coming, John D. DeHann)

Christian believers are instructed by Scripture
... to actively assist and participate in the plan
of God for the ingathering of the Jewish People
and the Restoration of the nation of Israel in
our day.
(The Third International Christian Zionist
Congress, Jerusalem, 02/96)

I created the Yishuv [Jewish settlement in
Palestine], I alone. Therefore no men, neither
colonists nor organizations, have the right to
interfere in my plans..
(Baron Edmond de Rothschild)

Queen Victoria seems to have subscribed to
this Davidic theory and had her male children
circumcised by a Jewish ritual circumciser, a
mohel. Both Edward VII, the duke of Windsor,
and Charles, the current prince of Whales, were
circumcised by a well-known London physician
and mohel, Dr. Jacob Snowman.
(Shalom Goldmann God's Sacred Tongue)

For in Palestine we do not propose even to go
through the form of consulting the wishes of
the present inhabitants of the country, ... [T]he
Four Great Powers are committed to Zionism.
And Zionism, be it right or wrong, good or
bad, is rooted in age-long traditions, in present
needs, in future hopes, of far profounder import
than the desires or prejudices of the 700,000
Arabs who now inhabit that ancient land....
[I]n short, so far as Palestine is concerned, the
Powers have made no statement of fact which
is not admittedly wrong, and no declaration
of policy which, at least in the letter, they have
not always intended to violate.
( Lord Balfour, letter, 1919)

Pastor Charles Taze Russell, the founder of the
Jehovah's Witnesses, was a prominent advocate
of Christian Zionism in America. At about the
time that Ben-Gurion was organizing his party,
Russell visited the Holy Land to plan for the
repatriation of the Jews. He visited Palestine
twice. In 1909, after he returned to the US from
his second trip to Palestine, he published 12
articles in the Overland Monthly, which had
a readership of 75,000. In those articles he
explained the New Testament prophecies for
the return of Jesus and he advocated the
repatriation of the Jews. After that, he gave
several sermons to large audiences. On June
15, 1910, he delivered a sermon at the Brooklyn
Academy of Music to an audience of 2,800.
The Jews were overwhelmed. They were
pleasantly surprised that a Christian minister
acknowledged that there are prophecies about
Israel in the Bible still unfulfilled. They
published his sermons in several Jewish
journals and responded to him with
appreciative letters. In 1914, in a famous
speech to about 4,000 Jews at the Hippodrome
of New York, Russel proposed that "the most
earnest and saintly Jewish people" should
immigrate (sic) to Palestine. The rest of the
Jews should support, finance, and encourage
those immigrants. His speech aroused great
enthusiasm among the Jews. The Jewish
Advocate noted that Russell's view created a
new basis for a Christian-Jewish coalition.
The goal of this coalition was the fulfillment
of biblical prophecies. In 1963 the Herzl Press
(a renowned Jewish publication) described in
detail the important role that Russell played
in advocating the return of the Jews to
Palestine. Russell went to England to talk to
about 4,600 Jews in the Royal Albert Hall in
London. After that, he gave speeches and
conducted meetings in Manchester, Glasgow,
Philadelphia, Cincinnati, St. Louis, and in
other cities. After Russell's death his
successors and his followers (the Jehovah's
Witnesses) turned anti-Zionist, but his
momentum was taken over by the Christian
fundamentalists. ("How the Prophecies of
Jesus' Return Impacted the World" by PT)

Today (May 15th 1948) is truly a holiday, a Holy
Day, and a new fruit is visible before our very
eyes. The Hebrew Revolt of 1944-1948 has been
blessed with success - the first Hebrew revolt
since the Hasmonen insurrection that has ended
in victory. The State of Israel has arisen. And it
has risen "Only Thus": - through blood, through
fire, with an outstretched hand and a mighty arm,
with suffering and with sacrifices. It could not
have been otherwise. ... Our God-given country
is a unity, an integral historical and geographical
whole. The attempt to dissect it is not only a
crime but a blasphemy and an abortion.
Whoever does not recognize our natural right
to our entire homeland, does not recognize our
right to any part of it. And we shall never forego
this natural right.
(Menachem Begin, radio address)

Balfour and Rothschild were also members of
the mysterious Apostles Club to which the
infamous Bible revisers, Westcott and Hort,
and Henry Sidgwick of the S.P.R. belonged.
An important fact which has been obscured
by the Zionist crusaders, including those in
the Council for National Policy, is that the
plan for the State of Israel was formulated
in the secret societies of Great Britain.
(The Council for National Policy, Barbara Aho)

I fear the internal damage that Judaism will
sustain due to the development, in our ranks,
of a narrow nationalism. We are not anymore
the Jews of the Maccabees period. To become
again a nation in the political sense of the word
will be equivalent to turning away from the
spiritualization of our community that we owe
to the generosity of our prophets.
(Albert Einstein)

There's a lot of anxiety inside the -- you know,
our professional military and our intelligence
people. Many of them respect the Constitution
and the Bill of Rights as much as anybody here,
and individual freedom. So, they do -- there's
a tremendous sense of fear. These are punitive
people. One of the ways -- one of the things
that you could say is, the amazing thing is we
have been taken over basically by a cult, eight
or nine neo-conservatives have somehow
grabbed the government. Just how and why
and how they did it so efficiently, will have
to wait for much later historians and better
documentation than we have now, but they
managed to overcome the bureaucracy and the
Congress, and the press, with the greatest of
ease. It does say something about how fragile
our Democracy is. You do have to wonder what
a Democracy is when it comes down to a few
men in the Pentagon and a few men in the
White House having their way. Everybody is
afraid to tell Rumsfeld anything. That's just
the way it is. It's a system built on fear. It's a
system that's completely been taken over --
by cultists.
(Seymour Hersh, remarks delivered before
the Steven Wise Free Synagogue, 01/26/05)

American Naval tactical aircraft, operating
from carriers in the Arabian Sea, have been
flying simulated nuclear-weapons delivery
missions - rapid ascending maneuvers known
as "over the shoulder" bombing - since last
summer, ... within range of Iranian coastal
radars. (Seymour Hersh, NewYorker, 04/17/06)
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that
the mountain of the Lord's house shall be
established in the top of the mountains, and
shall be established above the hills; and all
nations shall flow unto it. And many people
hall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to
the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the
God of Jacob; and He will teach us of his ways,
and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion
shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord
from Jerusalem. (Isaiah 2:2-3)

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Hello,

We are writing to inform you about a book related to what is happening now in the Middle East released by Olive Grove Books entitled THE PALESTINE CONSPIRACY. This book takes place in Beirut.

Because the region of Palestine and the repercussions it holds for peace in the Middle East between the PLO and Israel are critically important, the issues discussed via this spy-thriller makes it interesting and informative so that people all over the world can understand exactly how both sides think and how that thinking has led to continual violence in the Middle East.

If these issues had been understood and discussed 18 years ago, perhaps two wars in the Persian Gulf, the Sept. 11th catastrophe and this new Beirut War would not have happened.

That aside, it is never too late for peace.

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MENTOR, Ohio – THE PALESTINE CONSPIRACY, a genre spy-thriller by Robert Spirko, was fourth on the best-seller list at Atlasbooks, Inc., a national book distributor.
“It is time for the Israelis and Palestinians to return to the Camp David Peace Talks, resume where they left off and "freeze in place" the already-agreed-upon negotiating points,” Spirko says.
“The Iraq Study Group should make this recommendation a top priority before trying to put-in-place a new strategy for Iraq – mainly because ramifications of a peace agreement between both sides will resonate deeply throughout the Muslim world in the way Jews and Muslims interact toward each other. It could have a profound ripple effect including how the United States is perceived by Islamists.” he emphasizes.
“I have communicated that first step to the James Baker III and Lee Hamilton study group. It is important that both sides in the Middle East region are willing to come to their senses,” Spirko reiterates.
He uses the following analogy for peace. “The Camp David accords have precedent and continuity through previous agreements. It's like a marriage where both spouses in an argument storm away mad. They don't divorce and then try to resume their relationship; rather, they come back together, settle their differences, and resume the marriage where they left off. It must be the same for the Middle East Peace talks."
Spirko’s book predicted terrorism against the United States & Israel in his book which takes place in Lebanon. It is eerily similar to the Beirut War which took place last summer between Hezbollah and Israel.
Spirko says if these issues had been understood and discussed 18 years ago, perhaps two wars in the Persian Gulf, the Sept. 11th catastrophe and the new Beirut War would not have happened.
“That aside,” he says, “It is never too late for peace.”







MEDINA, Ohio - When it comes to spy novels and Middle East intrigue, after 16 spell-binding years, the gripping story behind the Middle East quagmire - its issues of nuclear weapons and the quest for a Palestinian State - is finally being told in a ground-breaking new book entitled, THE PALESTINE CONSPIRACY.

Author Robert Spirko created the work in such a way that every reader in the world will understand all the intricate issues in the Middle East and how close the region actually came to the brink of nuclear Armageddon.

Mr. Spirko has a unique way of holding the reader in his grasp as the plot of THE PALESTINE CONSPIRACY unfolds. He literally takes you from your armchair and immerses you into the lifestyle of the Bedouin, the Israeli, the PLO and the mindset of the Middle-Easterner.

THE PALESTINE CONSPIRACY is not just another spy-novel; it is the quintessential spy-thriller because it forces the reader to understand how both sides "think" and why that thinking ultimately led to repeated wars in the Middle East.

Spirko, a financial and geo-political analyst, turned his attention to the Middle East in 1987, after discovering several common elements related to the Middle East question. In working for peace, and after several frustrating years, he put down his analysis in writing and when he was finished, he not only had a solution to the quagmire, he had a story to tell.

But, nobody was listening.

Today, all that has changed, thanks to Olive Grove Publishers who decided to give his book a chance.

When the Palestinian question came to a festering crisis in 1990, he had already predicted several of the actual events before they occurred. For instance, Spirko predicted the Intifada and Persian Gulf War, missing the actual invasion date of Kuwait by only one week. He did this through spectacular supposition, analysis and prediction based on what he was "seeing" in the region.

When Spirko typed his manuscript, he set the work to fiction, about what he thought might occur soon in the Middle East involving weapons of mass destruction, nuclear proliferation, the Palestinian uprising before it occurred, and how the Palestinian question begged to be answered, little did he realize that every event he described in the book would eventually transpire.

His story of what was really happening behind the scenes in the Middle East is truly astounding and remarkable, and his contribution to the Camp David Peace Talks in 2000, formulated a solution to the Jerusalem question. When the BBC got wind of it, they termed it "as nothing short of brilliant" - Jerusalem becoming the simultaneous capitals of both Israel and Palestine in congruous or concentric zones.

Spirko originally copyrighted his book on October 20, 1987, in the U. S.
Library of Congress where intelligence agencies reviewed his work.

Today, finally, somebody is listening.

Spirko feels that both sides must return to the Camp David Peace Talks and resume where they left off and "freeze in place" the already-agreed-upon negotiating points.

"It's like a marriage where both spouses storm away mad in an argument.
They don't divorce and then try to resume their relationship, they come back together, settle their differences, and resume their marriage. It must be the same for the Middle East Peace talks," Spirko says.

The story begins in Beirut, Lebanon, once a great financial capital of the Middle East, which lay in ruin, having been systematically blasted to rubble during 20 years of inexhaustible civil war and siege by Israel, the PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah and Lebanese factions. Soon, the quest for a Palestinian State would be framed by these events; namely, the invasion of Kuwait by a neighboring rogue state, Iraq, with Saddam Hussein's goal of seeking nuclear parity with Israel.

In Mr. Spirko's story, Rick Waite, a forgotten UPI correspondent, and Adrienne Waters, a Pulitzer Prize journalist from the London Times, meet-up in Beirut with a PLO operative named Ahmed, who discovers a secret intelligence memo about a secret plan to destroy Israel.

In the ensuing chase to find the answer to this secret communiqué and what it means, a deadly race against time begins as the unlikely trio tries to halt the launch of a secret weapon from a hidden PLO base camp in the Syrian Desert. U. S. and British intelligence operatives have their own agenda, and attempt to stop whatever is going on to save the entire region from a nuclear holocaust.

Spirko weaves a tale of chilling duplicity and thrilling action, as the characters evade and devise a method to announce the discovery of nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles to the rest of the world - all while United Nations' delegates bicker endlessly.

An executive at BookMasters, Inc., says, "The book is absolutely stunning in the manner in which Mr. Spirko, tells his tale. He is truly a master as an analyst, and it's totally unlike anything else we've ever read in a spy-thriller. It keeps you turning pages and won't let you quit - until the very end. And, what an ending it is! If you crave twisting plots, thrilling spy-action and intriguing characters, then this is the book for you."

Spirko, whose own background includes a stint in the U. S. Air Force and has given his advice to the National Security Council in Washington, D. C., has a degree in journalism and knows first-hand about the newsroom and what it takes to be an intelligence field agent. His knowledge of the trade makes the story real, daunting, and strikingly similar to "The Year of Living Dangerously."

"THE PALESTINE CONSPIRACY drips with reality," quips a book reviewer from Olive Grove Publishers. "If books were rated by Siskel & Roeper, it would be given a two-thumbs up."

Not since, Casablanca, do characters as earthy as Rick Waite, or as beautifully mysterious as London Times reporter, Adrienne Waters, or as desperate as PLO operative, Ahmed, bring fresh characters to a story that will be remembered by readers for a long time.

The novel is a mass market paperback produced by Olive Grove Publishers, and can be purchased at area bookstores through Ingram Book Group, New Leaf Distribution, and Baker and Taylor, priced at $14.99, ISBN 0-9752508-0-9. THE PALESTINE CONSPIRACY can also be ordered on the web at www.atlasbooks.com, or email orders from: order@bookmasters.com, or from Barnes & Nobles, Border's, Dalton's, efollett.com & Follett bookstores at colleges and universities, WaldenBooks, Amazon.com, Walmart.com, Target.com and other popular retail bookstores. Or, readers and store managers can call 1-800-BOOKLOG, or 800-247-6553 direct, to order.

For readers who want to know what was really going on in the Middle East prior to the Persian Gulf War, Sept. 11th, and Iraq War, THE PALESTINE CONSPIRACY, is a must read.


WARREN, Ohio - When both sides walked away from the peace table at Camp David in 2000, Robert Spirko, author of THE PALESTINE CONSPIRACY warned negotiators Ehud Barak of Israel and Chairman Yasser Arafat that they would descend into the abyss of hell.

"And, they did," Spirko says, "and, so have we." Spirko is a native of Warren and a former Tribune staff writer.

That warning came after both sides had already agreed upon Jerusalem as the simultaneous capital of both Israel and Palestine, according to Spirko.

"When both parties agreed on Jerusalem, an issue they both said they could never agree on, then left the peace table over reparations and the right of return, 8,000 lives were lost in the ensuing four years, including America's 9/11 catastrophe," Spirko reveals. "Chairman Arafat should have taken the deal. He had 90% of what he wanted. The Israelis offered to build upon that later if Arafat would stop the suicide bombers.
Chairman Arafat would take the same deal today if it was offered, but it may be too late."

He explains, "The failed talks were a catastrophe for both the Middle East, and the United States, and the only way out is to resurrect the peace talks at Camp David, freeze the already agreed upon points, and resume where both parties left off."

Spirko has given his advice to the National Security Council in Washington, D. C. over the years, and is a 1965 graduate of the Kent State University School of Journalism. He studied for his MBA at Kent State University and currently analyzes geo-political trends as an investment advisor.

He wrote the book as a spy-thriller detailing what and how the quest for a Palestinian State turned into an ongoing disaster predicting Iraq and Iran would seek to develop weapons of mass destruction. The yet-to-be-resolved "right of return" and reparations were ignored by both sides at the 2000 Camp David Peace Talks. Those issues could have been negotiated later. Ideas presented by Mr. Spirko at those peace talks included letting both sides have the right to name Jerusalem as each nation's capital, an idea that the BBC in Great Britain termed as "brilliant.".

"The idea was to create simultaneous capitals for both countries-Palestine and Israel-with Jerusalem as the capital of each using congruous zones and a neutral governing district involving representatives from both sides with God as the central sovereign because they both believe in the same God, whether He is called Allah or Jehovah," Spirko reiterates.

"As we speak, Israel’s Ariel Sharon lies in a coma and Yasser Arafat is dead. Israel agreed to a withdrawal from Israeli settlements in Gaza, and a partial withdrawal in the West Bank. That could have been achieved six years ago at Camp David. Now, Hezbollah and Hamas have thrown a monkey-wrench into the scenario which could lead the United States and the world into World War III.”

Spirko’s book takes place in Beirut, Lebanon. It details what he thought would occur in the Middle East before the actual events; namely, the Persian Gulf War, the Iraq War, the Intifada, and other events leading up to Sept. 11. His analysis, written as a novel in 1987 and copyrighted in the U.S. Library of Congress that year, warned that the Middle East was heading toward nuclear Armageddon if a rogue Arab state, Iraq or Iran, obtained nuclear weapons. For 17 years publishers refused to publish the book because they told Mr. Spirko that the events he described in his book "couldn't possibly happen."


MEDINA, Ohio - "The Middle East is heading toward a new World War if Syria and Iran continue to aid and abet terrorism and try to develop nuclear weapons to threaten both Israel and the United States," says Robert Spirko, author of THE PALESTINE CONSPIRACY, a book which predicted both wars in the region.

He says both Iran and Syria are treading on dangerous ground in their quest to continue the war in Palestine and in attempting to enrich uranium for use in an atomic bomb.

Spirko, a financial and geo-political analyst, turned his attention to the Middle East in 1987, after discovering several common elements related to the Middle East question. He wrote down his analysis, and when he was finished, he not only had a solution to the quagmire, he had a story to tell.

THE PALESTINE CONSPIRACY predicted many of the events that occurred three years later, even the firing of missiles which hit Israel.

"The United States, Great Britain, France, Russia, and China will never allow them to obtain enough nuclear technology to construct weapons of mass destruction," says Spirko.

Spirko, whose book foreshadowed the Persian Gulf War by three years, and the resultant Iraq War following the Sept. 11 attack, warned the consequences would be catastrophic for those Muslim nations who insist on continuing down that nuclear path.

"The chief threat in the region I see right now is the threat to Saudi Arabia by Al Quaida. If Al Quaida were to overthrow the present royal family in Saudi Arabia, cutting off the oil supply to the western nations including Japan and China, it would bring down entire world economies.
France and Germany would be begging us to go to war to retake those oil wells. It would be World War III," he emphasizes.

If such a scenario were to occur, France and the European economies could collapse in a matter of weeks.

"And, it's all related to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict which I said back in 1987 was the crux of my book. It always has been, and always will be until it's settled. That linkage is exactly what Osama Bin Laden stated in a taped message aired the weekend before the election in November of 2004. Whether you believe him or not is beside the point. That's what's he told us, and we'd better take that into account."

"We are again on the threshold of peace in the Middle East. But, we're also on the threshold of World War III. We better get it right this time, " Spirko emphasizes.


CLEVELAND, Ohio – THE PALESTINE CONSPIRACY, a genre spy-thriller by Robert Spirko, was fourth on the best-seller list at Atlasbooks, Inc., a national book distributor.

Spirko, a financial and geo-political analyst who has given his advice to the National Security Council, turned his attention to the Middle East in 1987, after discovering several common elements related to the Middle East question. He wrote down his analysis, and when he was finished, he not only had a solution to the quagmire, he had a story to tell. THE PALESTINE CONSPIRACY foreshadowed the Persian Gulf War by three years, and the resultant Iraq War followed by the Sept. 11 attack.

Spirko states, "The chief threat in the region I see right now is the threat to Saudi Arabia by Al Qaeda. If Al Qaeda were to overthrow the present royal family in Saudi Arabia, cutting off the oil supply to western nations including Japan and China, it would bring down entire world economies. France and Germany would be begging us to go to war to retake those oil wells. It would be World War III."

“If such a scenario were to occur,” he reiterates, “France and the European economies would collapse in a matter of weeks.”

“Another looming concern is Iran which wants to develop nuclear weapons to couple with their Shahab 4, 5 & 6 missiles on the drawing boards which have a range to hit London, Israel, all of Europe, southern Russia and the United States. Also, the Iranian government has said it initially had 300 centrifuges to enrich uranium to weapons grade material. They have increased that to 3,000. They will soon increase that again to 10,000 centrifuges,” Spirko says. “They have the additional capacity to add another 20,000 centrifuges in mass production techniques that will enable them to produce at least seven nuclear bombs in about a year. Where did they get these centrifuges?”

Spirko answers that question by stating an Arab proverb, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”

“Simply put,” Spirko explains, “they probably got them from Saddam Hussein before the Iraq War started and were probably smuggled out of Iraq and into Iran just like he did his air force of 600 Soviet fighter planes. In other words, he gave them to his former enemy rather than let them be destroyed on the ground.”

“Why would he have done any differently with the 30,000 centrifuges he supposedly had on a decentralized basis inside Iraq before the war?” Spirko asks. “Isn’t it strange that Iran could come up with a nuclear weapons program in about six months to a year when it took the United States six years under the Manhattan Project with 5,000 of the world’s most brilliant scientists like Robert Oppenheimer, Niels Bohr, Seaborg, Einstein, Fermi, and others working on it?”

Another point Spirko makes on the Mideast is that, “It is time for the Israelis and Palestinians to return to the Camp David Peace Talks or some other place, resume where they left off and "freeze in place" the already-agreed-upon negotiating points,” Spirko says.

"And, it's all related to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict which I said back in 1987 was the crux of my book. It always has been, and always will be until it's settled,” Spirko says. “That linkage is exactly what Osama Bin Laden stated in a taped message aired the weekend before the election in November of 2004. Whether you believe him or not is beside the point. That's what's he told us, and we'd better take that into account."

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GOG, MAGOG AND THE
KINGDOM OF THE KHAZARS
Part II
THE KHAZAR ORIGIN OF THE ASHKENAZIM
"Judah...hath married the daughter of a strange god. The
Lord will cut off the man that doeth this." Malachi 2:11, 12


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Modern Jews are essentially divided into two major categories, ethnically and culturally: Sephardim and Ashkenazim.

The former are primarily of Spanish origin; the name Sephardim being derived from Sepharad, the Hebrew word for Spain, and are likely the closest to actual Semitic Jews that can be established. They were expelled from Spain toward the beginning of the sixteenth century and immigrated to the eastern Mediterranean and Balkans.

As late as 1960s the Sephardic Jews numbered only about 500,000, compared with the Ashkenazim of the same period estimated at approximately twelve million. 61

In defining the origins of the Ashkenazim, Alan Brook states that "The geographic location of the Ashkenaz, based on references in the Torah, may be centered around southern Russia, Armenia, and Asia Minor. The ashkaenoi (askae or askai) were the people also known as Phrygians or Mysians (Meshech)." Some historians claim that the name Ashkenaz applies exclusively to German Jews. However, more recent evidence shows that they had immigrated from the southern regions of Russia and western Asia and Asia Minor -- that region clearly identified as the location and origin of the ancient Khazars. The name originally indicated Iranians and was later given as the name of the god of Meshech, Men Askaenos. "It should also be pointed out," Brook adds, "that Ashkenaz did not become a definite Jewish designation for Germany until the eleventh century." 62

"According to the explanation by the Talmud," writes Hugo Freiherr, "Ashkenaz thus means a country near the Black Sea between Ararat and the Caucasus, within the original region of the Khazar empire." 63 This, again, is precisely the geographic locality of the Khazarian empire. The Talmudic observation is abetted by Scripture which names Ashkenaz as descending not from Shem but from Japheth through Gomer, and whose uncles were Magog and Tubal. (See Gen. 10:3)

Ashkenaz (alt. spelling: Ashchenaz) is mentioned in but one scripture other than 1 Chronicles 6:1, which is only another reference to the genealogy as descending from Japheth. In the book of Jeremiah the prophet, God announces that Israel is to call upon other nations as allies in bringing His judgments against Babylon. Among those allies, who are not part of Israel or Judah, and therefore could not be numbered as Jews, is Ashchenaz. (See Jer. 51:27)

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Identifying Gog and Magog
Separate passages in the "Jewish Antiquities" and "Jewish War" of the 1st century Jewish historian and scholar Josephus show that Jews of that time identified Gog and Magog with the Scythians: Alexander the Great, Josephus said, locked these horse-riding barbarians of the far north behind the Caucasus mountains with iron gates.[24] A version of this story formed the basis of the Qur'anic tale of Dhul-Qarnayn.[25]

Some early Christian writers (e.g. Eusebius) identified Gog and Magog with the Romans.[26] After the Roman Empire became Christian this was no longer possible and attention switched to Rome's northern barbarian enemies. Ambrose (d.397) identified them with the Goths,[27] and Isidore of Seville confirmed that people in his day supposed that the Goths were descended from Magog "because of the similarity of the last syllable".[28] The idea that Gog and Magog were connected with the Goths was longstanding; in the mid-16th century, Archbishop of Uppsala Johannes Magnus traced the royal family of Sweden back to Magog son of Japheth, (Magnus identified two of Magog's sons as Suenno, progenitor of the Swedes, and Gethar (also known as Gog or Gogus), ancestor of the Goths).[29]

In the 6th century, the Byzantine historian Procopius (d. after 562) saw Attila and the Huns as the nation locked out by Alexander, and a little later other Christian writers identified them with the Saracens.[30]

Still later, Gog and Magog became identified with the Khazars, whose empire dominated Central Asia in the 9th and 10th centuries. In his 9th century work Expositio in Matthaeum Evangelistam, the Benedictine monk Christian of Stavelot referred to them as descendants of Gog and Magog, and says they are "Circumcised and observing all [the laws of] Judaism";[31] the 14th century Sunni scholar Ibn Kathir also identified Gog and Magog with the Khazars,[32][33] as did a Georgian tradition, which called them "wild men with hideous faces and the manners of wild beasts, eaters of blood".[34] According to the famous Khazar Correspondence (c. 960), King Joseph of Khazaria claimed to be a descendant of Magog's nephew Togarmah.[35]

A German tradition claimed a group called the Red Jews would invade Europe at the end of the world; the "Red Jews" became associated with different peoples, but especially the Eastern European Jews and the Ottoman Turks.[40]

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Book of Revelation
By the end of the 1st century, Jewish tradition had long since changed Ezekiel's Gog from Magog into Gog and Magog, the ultimate enemies of God's people, to be destroyed in the final battle.[19] The author of the Book of Revelation tells how he sees in a vision Satan rallying Gog and Magog, "the nations in the four corners of the Earth," to a final battle with Christ and his saints:


When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the Earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.[20]
Ezekiel's Gog from Magog was a symbol of the evil darkness of the north and the powers hostile to God,[1] but in Revelation, Gog and Magog have no geographic location, and instead represent the nations of the world, banded together for the final assault on Christ and those who follow him.[21]
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The Red Jews were a legendary Jewish nation that appear in vernacular sources in Germany during the medieval era until about 1600. According to these texts, the Red Jews were an epochal threat to Christendom, and would invade Europe during the tribulations leading to the end of the world.

Andrew Colin Gow studied the original German language texts and concluded that the legend of the Red Jews was a conflation of three separate traditions: the Biblical prophetic references to Gog and Magog, the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel, and an episode from the Alexander Romance, in which Alexander the Great encloses a race of heathens behind a great wall in Caucasus. These traditions had some overlap already; Gog and Magog are among the nations trapped behind the wall in the Alexander Romance, and the only ones named in the version of the story appearing in Qur'an Sura al-Kahf (The Cave) 83-98, while The Travels of Sir John Mandeville explicitly associates the confined nations with the Ten Lost Tribes.

Many pamphlets circulated interpreting such events as the rise of Turkish power in the context of the legendary Red Jews. Philipp Melanchthon, for example, claimed that the Ottoman Turks were the Red Jews.

Kevin Alan Brook, among others, speculated, but could not conclusively prove, that the legend of the Red Jews was actually based on misremembered accounts of the Khazars. Indeed, in Expositio in Matthaeum Evangelistam, Christian of Stavelot refers to the Khazars as Hunnic descendants of Gog and Magog, as well as having been "enclosed" by Alexander, but having since escaped, demonstrating that the Khazars were indeed conflated with two of the three elements making up the legend of the Red Jews. Other medieval sources consider various connections with the Lost Tribes, owing to the Khazars' adoption of Judaism, and they are described in Arabic sources as having red hair, a trait associated with the Devil in medieval Germany and possibly the source of the term "Red Jews". Alternatively, 'Red Jews' refers to the Idumeans, or 'Edomites' who converted to Judaism a few generations before King Herod. Edom in Hebrew means 'red'

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Post by Strangelove on Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:30 pm

A people of Turkish origin whose life and history are interwoven with
the very beginnings of the history of the Jews of Russia. The kingdom of
the Chazars was firmly established in most of South Russia long before
the foundation of the Russian monarchy by the Varangians (855). Jews
have lived on the shores of the Black and Caspian seas since the first
centuries of the common era. Historical evidence points to the region of
the Ural as the home of the Chazars. Among the classical writers of the
Middle Ages they were known as the "Chozars," "Khazirs," "Akatzirs,"
and "Akatirs," and in the Russian chronicles as "Khwalisses" and "Ugry
Byelyye."

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In the year 669 the Ugrians or Zabirs freed themselves from the rule
of the Obrians, settled between the Don and the Caucasus, and came under
the dominion of the Chazars. For this reason the Ugrians, who had
hitherto been called the" White" or "Independent" Ugrians, are described
in the chronicles ascribed to Nestor as the "Black," or "Dependent,"
Ugrians. They were no longer governed by their own princes, but were
ruled by the kings of the Chazars. In 735, when the Arab leader Mervan
moved from Georgia against the Chazars, he attacked the Ugrians also. In
679 the Chazars subjugated the Bulgars and extended their sway farther
west between the Don and the Dnieper, as faras the head-waters of the
Donetz in the province of Lebedia (K. Grot, "Moravia i Madyary," St.
Petersburg, 1881; J. Danilevski and K. Grot, "O Puti Madyars Urala v
Lebediyu," in "Izvyestiya Imperatorskavo Russkavo Georaficheskavo
Obshchestva," xix.). It was probably about that time that the chaghan of
the Chazars and his grandees, together with a large number of his
heathen people, embraced the Jewish religion. According to A. Harkavy
("Meassef Niddaḥim," i.), the conversion took place in 620; according to
others, in 740. King Joeph, in his letter to Ḥasdai ibn Shaprut (about
960), gives the following account of the conversion:

(see Harkavy, "Soobshchenija o Chazarakh," in "Yevreiskaya Biblioteka," vii. 153)"Some
centuries ago King Bulan reigned over the Chazars. To him God appeared
in a dream and promised him might and glory. Encouraged by this dream,
Bulan went by the road of Darlan to the country of Ardebil, where he
gained great victories [over the Arabs]. The Byzantine emperor and the
calif of the Ishmaelites sent to him envoys with presents, and sages to
convert him to their respective religions. Bulan invited also wise men
of Israel, and proceeded to examine them all. As each of the champions
believed his religion to be the best, Bulan separately questioned the
Mohammedans and the Christians as to which of the other two religions
they considered the better. When both gave preference to that of the
Jews, that king perceived that it must be the true religion. He
therefore adopted it".


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In the second half of the ninth century the apostle of the Slavonians, Constantine (Cyril), went to the Crimea to spread Christianity among the Chazars (Tomaschek, l. c. p. 25). At this time the kingdom of the Chazars stood at the height of its power, and was constantly at war......

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The Jewish population in the entire domain of the Chazars, in the period
between the seventh and tenth centuries, must have been considerable.

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...about the ninth century (p. 121; cited by Chwolson in "Izvyestiya o
Chazarakh," etc., p. 57), it appears as if all the Chazars were Jews and
that they had been converted to Judaism only a short time before that
book was written. But this work was probably inspired by Jaihani; and it
may be assumed that in the ninth century many Chazar heathens became
Jews, owing to the religious zeal of King Obadiah. "Such a conversion in
great masses," says Chwolson (ib. p. 58), "may have been the reason for the embassy of Christians from the land of the Chazars to the Byzantine emperor Michael.

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It was one of the successors of Bulan, named Obadiah, who regenerated
the kingdom and strengthened the Jewish religion. He invited Jewish
scholars to settle in his dominions, and founded synagogues and schools.
The people were instructed in the Bible, Mishnah, and Talmud, and in
the "divine service of the ḥazzanim." In their writings the Chazars used
the Hebrew letters.


- Jewish Encyclopedia (The unedited full-text of the 1906 Edition)

LINK: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/4279-chazars

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Post by Strangelove on Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:35 pm

"The Chazars professed a coarse religion, which was combined with sensuality and lewdness...After Obadia came a long series of Jewish Chagans (kings), for ACCORDING TO A FUNDAMENTAL LAW OF THE STATE ONLY JEWISH RULERS WERE PERMITTED TO ASCEND THE THRONE...For some time THE JEWS OF OTHER COUNTRIES HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE CONVERSION OF THIS POWERFUL KINGDOM TO JUDAISM, and when at last a vague rumor to this effect reached them, THEY WERE OF THE OPINION THAT CHAZARIA WAS PEOPLED BY THE REMNANT OF THE FORMER TEN TRIBES."

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Post by zone on Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:21 am

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Extended Definition: Khazars
The Khazars were a semi-nomadic Turkic people who dominated the Pontic steppe and the North Caucasus from the 7th to the 10th century CE. The name 'Khazar'[1] seems to be tied to a Turkic verb form meaning "wandering".[2]

In the 7th century CE, the Khazars founded an independent Khaganate in the Northern Caucasus along the Caspian Sea. Although the Khazars were initially Tengri shamanists, many of them converted to Christianity, Islam, and other religions. During the eighth or ninth century the state religion became Judaism. At their height, the Khazar khaganate and its tributaries controlled much of what is today southern Russia, western Kazakhstan, eastern Ukraine, Azerbaijan, large portions of the Caucasus (including Circassia, Dagestan, Chechnya, and parts of Georgia), and the Crimea

Between 965 and 969, their sovereignty was broken by Sviatoslav I of Kiev, and they became a subject people of Kievan Rus'. Gradually displaced by the Rus, the Kipchaks, and later the conquering Mongol Golden Horde, the Khazars largely disappeared as a culturally-distinct people.


Origins and prehistory
The site of the Khazar fortress at Sarkel. Aerial photo from excavations conducted by Mikhail Artamonov in the 1930s.




The site of the Khazar fortress at Sarkel. Aerial photo from excavations conducted by Mikhail Artamonov in the 1930s.
The origins of the Khazars are unclear. Following their conversion to Judaism, the Khazars themselves traced their origins to Kozar, a son of Togarmah. Togarmah is mentioned in Genesis in the Bible as a grandson of Japheth.

Scholars in the former USSR considered the Khazars to be an indigenous people of the North Caucasus. Some scholars, such as D.M. Dunlop, considered the Khazars to be connected with a Uyghur or Tiele confederation tribe called He'san in Chinese sources from the 7th-century (Suishu, 84). However, the Khazar language appears to have been an Oghuric tongue, similar to that spoken by the early Bulgars and corresponding to the modern day Chuvash dialects.[3] Therefore, a Hunnish origin has also been postulated. Since the Turkic peoples were never ethnically homogenous, these ideas need not be deemed mutually exclusive. It is likely that the Khazar nation was made up of tribes from various ethnic backgrounds, as steppe nations traditionally absorbed those they conquered. Their name is accordingly derived from Turkic *qaz-, meaning "to wander, flee."

Armenian chronicles contain references to the Khazars as early as the late second century. These are generally regarded as anachronisms, and most scholars believe that they actually refer to Sarmatians or Scythians. Priscus relates that one of the nations in the Hunnish confederacy was called Akatziroi. Their king was named Karadach or Karidachus. Some, going on the similarity between Akatziroi and "Ak-Khazar" (see below), have speculated that the Akatziroi were early proto-Khazars.

Dmitri Vasil'ev of Astrakhan State University recently hypothesized that the Khazars moved in to the Pontic steppe region only in the late 500s, and originally lived in Transoxiana. According to Vasil'ev, Khazar populations remained behind in Transoxiana under Pecheneg and Oghuz suzerainty, possibly remaining in contact with the main body of their people.

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