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Post by KingdomSeeker on Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:05 am

http://www.reclaim7mountains.com/

http://www.the7mountains.com/



Heres a "Beautiful" quote from the second link:

"God has a strategy for transforming society; it is through the marketplace/workplace, in each of these mountains. “Those people who occupy the high places have the influence” "

Realy? We are going to bring God down by Force? We are going to build Society to the level of it ACTUALLY being the "KINGDOM"? We 'NEED" to take back the 7 mountians (Ahem *cough* HILLS! *cough*)? Doesnt ThatSound like what they were doing in BABYLON? Bringing together their intellect, and personal skill to get to the Kingdom? ....

Revelation 17:9
This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated;


...maybe its just me.

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Post by KingdomSeeker on Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:23 am

Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.


This whole "Lead like jesus" thing is SOOOO Evil...

Hey...thats actually an organization http://www.leadlikejesus.com/about/our-mission/


Teaching others to Emulate Jesus. Be a LEADER like Jesus.

Arent we supposed to follow? Serve? Isnt there one Jesus?

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Post by Adstar on Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:20 am

KingdomSeeker wrote:http://www.reclaim7mountains.com/

http://www.the7mountains.com/



Heres a "Beautiful" quote from the second link:

"God has a strategy for transforming society; it is through the marketplace/workplace, in each of these mountains. “Those people who occupy the high places have the influence” "

Realy? We are going to bring God down by Force? We are going to build Society to the level of it ACTUALLY being the "KINGDOM"? We 'NEED" to take back the 7 mountians (Ahem *cough* HILLS! *cough*)? Doesnt ThatSound like what they were doing in BABYLON? Bringing together their intellect, and personal skill to get to the Kingdom? ....

Revelation 17:9
This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated;


...maybe its just me.

From your post i assume your referring to
something that i have heard about called i believe kingdom theology. That is a
belief that Gods people on earth must by force or any means necessary create
the conditions for the return of the Messiah Jesus.

To me it is saying that we must create the kingdom and present it to Jesus as
our gift to Him upon His return. Totally twisted upside down theology.

Jesus is the one who secures the Kingdom for us. Not us securing the kingdom
for Jesus.


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Post by Strangelove on Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:04 am

Oh I saw that video with the guy laying out all the mountains and stuff.

It's absolute nuts.

Is it difficult to understand what we Christians need to do?

STAND FIRM IN THE FAITH!

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Post by zone on Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:05 pm

KingdomSeeker wrote:http://www.reclaim7mountains.com/

http://www.the7mountains.com/

Heres a "Beautiful" quote from the second link:

"God has a strategy for transforming society; it is through the marketplace/workplace, in each of these mountains. “Those people who occupy the high places have the influence” "

Realy? We are going to bring God down by Force? We are going to build Society to the level of it ACTUALLY being the "KINGDOM"? We 'NEED" to take back the 7 mountians (Ahem *cough* HILLS! *cough*)? Doesnt ThatSound like what they were doing in BABYLON? Bringing together their intellect, and personal skill to get to the Kingdom? ....

Revelation 17:9
This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated;

...maybe its just me.
good catch Rob.
yup, that's the Kingdom Now/Dominionism theology.
Joel's Army, Promise Keepers, etc.

check it out:
http://www.seekgod.ca/joel.htm


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Post by zone on Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:08 pm

Adstar wrote:
From your post i assume your referring to
something that i have heard about called i believe kingdom theology. That is a belief that Gods people on earth must by force or any means necessary create the conditions for the return of the Messiah Jesus.

To me it is saying that we must create the kingdom and present it to Jesus as our gift to Him upon His return. Totally twisted upside down theology.

Jesus is the one who secures the Kingdom for us. Not us securing the kingdom for Jesus.

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Post by KingdomSeeker on Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:06 pm

It's MOSTLY Dominionism. But funny enough its in EVERY church(more or less) With the "raising leaders" Cell groups, CADRE's, to "change" how "gods children" operate. Most are emulating the world, encorperating buisnes tycoons to teach in churches(even non born-again ones) to create something that should be (AND WILL BE) goverened and brought about by GOD not Man...

http://www.thetruthproject.org/getinvolved/

Just this whole push with everyone being a "FACILITATOR" every one has to have a "Purpose" and an Aim, and an idea, and everything has to be self promoted"For god"

But...I see few promoting lengthy hours before the mighty God. I see less and less people denying themselves, and more Promoting Themselves as GODS CHILDREN...not that we should be hiding...but this is just nutso...Its Constantine part 2...Everyone must be a christian....except we are going Backwards...

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Post by zone on Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:41 pm

KingdomSeeker wrote:
But...I see few promoting lengthy hours before the mighty God. I see less and less people denying themselves, and more Promoting Themselves as GODS CHILDREN...not that we should be hiding...but this is just nutso...Its Constantine part 2...Everyone must be a christian....except we are going Backwards...
very cool insight Rob sunny
Rob, as you say, with the emphasis off Jesus and onto "god' - per my obsession with the Noahide Laws ('natural law')...i wonder how much of this downgrading has been to bring out a 'renewed morality' we can all agree on...."come on! after all: aren't the '3 great abrahamic faiths' the same?" - haven't we heard that a lot?
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Post by KingdomSeeker on Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:13 pm

come on! after all: aren't the '3 great abrahamic faiths' the same?" - haven't we heard that a lot?

Not as much as we WILL. All with the Help of
Mystic Christianity/Freemasonry, Kabbalah, B'hai/sufi..etc.


Yeah i truly belive that "christianity" is going to Rise...not that it shouldnt, because if they are Talking about Jesus, then they ARE still spreading the Seed. However, personaly, they have no idea what they are actually doing.

And then, when people start Attacking ALL Christians...Guess whos going to swoop in and rescue the "Little Brother"(or should i say younger sister) ...but we know this.

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Post by KingdomSeeker on Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:16 pm

But now im getting off topic

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Post by zone on Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:32 pm

so, Rob,
with the "cell" church movement, it's apparent relationship to Dominionism, what is the overall strategy (aside from divide and conquer): is it 'group-think' >> achieve UN-type millennium social goals i.e.: Rick Warren?

what's the greatest danger?

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/cellcurch.html

CELLS

In modern times, the origin of the concept of CELL churches is uncertain.
Did the concept spontaneously emerge through visions or insights given to several men at various times and locations three or four decades ago, as some of the leaders claim? Did it arise out of the Student Volunteer movement in the first half of this century which spawned the idealistic vision of reaching the world for Christ by the year 2000? Did it arise out of the house church structure in Red China, as many believe? Did it originate with Henrietta Mears and her "fellowship of the Burning Heart"?FN Was it taught by a few seminary professors in selected seminaries and carried to the church at large by students? The answer to this question proves to be important because, as you shall see, the diverse literature on this topic contains strikingly similar strands indicating that there was a common origination point or source.

The earliest book we could locate on the modern home church movement is vintage mid-50s, entitled Creating Christian Cells. This book is a series of articles about the positive spiritual successes of the new-style church that was being developed, mostly in conjunction with the Marble Collegiate Church in New York (Norman Vincent Peale's church). This book provides the earliest working definition of cell church, one which is nearly identical with definitions provided by cell church leaders decades later:

"The Christian Church began AS A SINGLE, SMALL GROUP FELLOWSHIP.
As it grew and divided, many such groups ("churches" or "parishes") were formed. The process resembled MITOSIS, or cell-division, in the biological world; hence, the term "cell." (forward) AA [Creating Christian Cells]

The next time we find a reference to the concept is in a statement by Juan Carlos Ortiz, who presented his views on the new church structure to a conference of pastors meeting at Montreat, North Carolina, home of Billy Graham, in the early 70s. His message, "the basic principles for restoring the Kingdom of God here on earth through the unity of the body"3, was published and widely circulated. Ortiz began his experiment with the formation of cell churches in Argentina in the 1950s and his model has been widely replicated across the globe:

"`Cell' is a transitory name we used for a meeting of five or more persons for certain purposes. I say it is a transitory name because we don't see the word "cell" in the Bible. The proper name should be 'church in the home.' But the name 'church in the home' brings to mind the type of church we used to have. So we use the word 'cell' to show it is not a common meeting where they go to a home, open the Bible, read and discuss it, sing a chorus, then pray and go home. That's no advantage ­ that's the same as we always did. Therefore we called our new meetings 'cells' because they were a completely different concept" (p. 103) [Call to Discipleship, 1975]

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Post by zone on Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:39 pm

Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

the signs and wonders crowd is definitely heading into a ditch...but

Question for Tim:
what does the greek say about this?
(i have been told its a strong double-negative, meaning it's not possible the elect can be deceived (which obviously would be Jesus' Power to keep from that Hour: Rev 3)...is this accurate?)
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Post by Adstar on Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:50 pm

zone wrote:Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

the signs and wonders crowd is definitely heading into a ditch...but

Question for Tim:
what does the greek say about this?
(i have been told its a strong double-negative, meaning it's not possible the elect can be deceived (which obviously would be Jesus' Power to keep from that Hour: Rev 3)...is this accurate?)

I look upon that verse as saying that the deception will be so great that if the Holy Spirit allowed it even the elect would be decieved. But i believe the Holy Spirit will not allow the elect to be decieved.


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Post by KingdomSeeker on Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:58 pm

Adstar wrote:

I look upon that verse as saying that the deception will be so great that if the Holy Spirit allowed it even the elect would be decieved. But i believe the Holy Spirit will not allow the elect to be decieved.


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AMEN!!! If He was going to allow his elect to be deceived, I would be with these guys.

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Post by reba on Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:03 am

Jerusalem was/is a city on seven hills.

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Post by Adstar on Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:19 am

I believe this kingdom doctrine that seeks to
get Christians to take over governments and create the Kingdom by politics and
manipulating the situation of the world is twisting the message that we have
received about contending for the truth of the Gospel and fighting the good
fight in bringing the Word of God to the world.

We are in a fight but it is not a political or military one. Our weapons are
the Words of God and our struggle is a spiritual one, not one using the carnal
weapons of men.

This kingdom doctrine seeks to twist the Word of God to say we should fight a
carnal fight and manipulate using all the dirty tricks of politics to bring
about the Kingdom. I think these people who are engaged in this, wether
secretly behind the scenes or openly, are the kind of people the Prophet Amos
referred to when He stated.

Amos 5
18 Woe to you who desire the day of the LORD! For what good is the day of the
LORD to you? It will be darkness, and not light.

I believe those who are seeking to bring about the Day of the Lord will get
caught up in the darkness and suffering that comes on the Day of the Lord.


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Post by Strangelove on Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:23 am

reba wrote:Jerusalem was/is a city on seven hills.

Ahaaa...they wanna take back Babylon the Great for a carnal Kingdom where a false Messiah can rule from.

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