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Post by johnny botwright on Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:54 pm

we often see people abusing their postion , by playing head games, word play,manipulation the facts, to suit their agenda, fasley insinuate, accuse

Their aim to try and portray some one in the wrong light, little, put down, to further them selves at the expence of others.

should this be how christian conduct them selves, knowing there is no shortage of people who do weather in or out side the church.

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Re: Do you think its wrong to try and manipulate

Post by Strangelove on Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:08 pm

No.

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yes means no and no means yes

Post by johnny botwright on Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:08 pm

yes
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Re: Do you think its wrong to try and manipulate

Post by Strangelove on Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:03 am

Whats the question again?

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Re: Do you think its wrong to try and manipulate

Post by ada on Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:39 pm

it depends..
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Re: Do you think its wrong to try and manipulate

Post by zone on Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:45 pm

i don't get it.

johnny are you ticked off at doc? is that what this is about?
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Re: Do you think its wrong to try and manipulate

Post by johnny botwright on Sun Jul 24, 2011 2:11 am

yes or no gentlemen remember the rules, johnny
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Re: Do you think its wrong to try and manipulate

Post by Strangelove on Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:21 am

How can we answer yes or no when you have one question in your title and a completely different one in your post?

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Re: Do you think its wrong to try and manipulate

Post by ada on Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:10 am


I try it again. The answer to both questions are:
1.)yes its wrong to manipulate other people.
2.)Of cause Christians should NOT do the same
way as the infiltrators or manipulator.

But is there something that we should read between the lines?
Than you have to clarify
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Post by johnny botwright on Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:03 am

on this occasion just face value, not two faced. johnny
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Re: Do you think its wrong to try and manipulate

Post by zone on Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:55 pm

johnny botwright wrote:we often see people abusing their postion , by playing head games, word play,manipulation the facts, to suit their agenda, fasley insinuate, accuse

Their aim to try and portray some one in the wrong light, little, put down, to further them selves at the expence of others.

should this be how christian conduct them selves, knowing there is no shortage of people who do weather in or out side the church.

johnny

the answer is NO.
this is not how christians should conduct themselves.


now what's your point? if this is an attack on Doc, out with it.

you'll be on vacation for a month, and you'll have me to thank, not Doc.

this is a FELLOWSHIP.
if you can't fellowship here comfortably, the internet has many opportunities.
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Re: Do you think its wrong to try and manipulate

Post by johnny botwright on Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:05 pm

so every thing doc does is coasher then, one rule for one, christian net forums all over again.
same double standards hypocracy,if not more so, johnny
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Re: Do you think its wrong to try and manipulate

Post by Strangelove on Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:00 pm

ADMIN----MOVED TO BASHING SUBFORUM.

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Re: Do you think its wrong to try and manipulate

Post by Strangelove on Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:01 pm

It's the same rule for everyone Johnny...no perversion of scripture to support false doctrines.

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Re: Do you think its wrong to try and manipulate

Post by johnny botwright on Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:26 pm

you just carnt help your self doc,there was no perversion of scripture to support false doctrine.
i mereley put forward one of several claims of sexual encounters

between human and non human, claimed by christian and non christian,

including one a credited to have walked with God and another who walked with Jesus

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Re: Do you think its wrong to try and manipulate

Post by Strangelove on Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:31 am

Serpent seed doctrine is a perversion of scripture. You put it forward and tried to get Christians to consider it. Thats your claim, that it should be considered.



I refuted the doctrine with one verse of Gods Word (Gen 4:1).



The other claim that you put forward concerning angels mating with humans is also easily refuted. Which I did.



That should have been it....but you got this chip on your shoulder for some reason and wont let it go. I think your desperation to have a gnostic line on some kinda secret knowledge is seriously clouding your judgement and taking you badly away from truth.



I wouldnt be bothering with this if I didnt care about you Johnny. You need to listen to people who care. Is it possible you might be sliding off the rails with this stuff?

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Post by ada on Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:28 am

Doc i reject the serpent seed doctrine also.
But what do you think.
Were kain and abel twins ?
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Post by Strangelove on Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:36 am

ada wrote:Doc i reject the serpent seed doctrine also.
But what do you think.
Were kain and abel twins ?



Twins?



No idea. Verse 2 says she bare Abel and describes their jobs as adults...so no reason to believe this birth was immediately after Cain's.

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Re: Do you think its wrong to try and manipulate

Post by johnny botwright on Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:28 pm

was one concieved in the garden the other out side the garden ?

again Doc you are falling into trying to place my self in the box, again your claims not mine.

as ive stated a few times now, yes i looked at what had been put forward and believed by other christians , today also, on these subjects, fallen angels also.

the Gospel of phillip , Enoch, ect

to see views also held over thousands of years, i did not say i agreed, nor did i say they were correct.
I wanted to see also why many christians today, still hold these views ?



nothing to do with a chip on my shoulder, for me put it on the table in the open, for all to see , consider, and draw the right conclusion,



this as you know has always been my approach. WHAT OTHER PEOPLE DO IS THEIR CALL, NOT MINE. THEIR CHOICE.


for me you have to first see whats being said, claimed, by whom, then you can form an opinion based on your research,


regarding this subject, human non human , hybrids encounters in the past, present, and what part this could play in the end times.

has been some intresting replies eles where on this subject.


You're completely right. There are probably genetic experiments that go on that we could only imagine. Splicing of human dna with animals, and animals with each other. The possibilities are endless, with genetic engineering


That's supposedly what's going on in the dreaded level 6 of the Dulce base also known as "nightmare hall". I'm not even sure the Dulce base exists in the first place but I'd be surprised if similar experiments were not being carried on *somewhere*.


just a couple of replies. johnny
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Post by Strangelove on Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:04 pm

johnny botwright wrote:was one concieved in the garden the other out side the garden ?



WHAT DOES SCRIPTURE SAY?



Come on I want you to work this one out purely from Gods Word.

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Re: Do you think its wrong to try and manipulate

Post by johnny botwright on Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:02 pm

well for me in the light of what has been claimed, believed,


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GROSS VIOLATION OF STATEMENT OF FAITH:



  • Sola Scriptura, Scripture alone. (The Bible is the inspired, infallible and authoritative Word of God.)

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    Post by Abiding on Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:15 am

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    Re: Do you think its wrong to try and manipulate

    Post by Consumed on Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:39 am

    Anyway, back to the question, NO.
    Can't make someone do something they don't want, well manipulation is being deceitful, to me anyway.
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    Post by johnny botwright on Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:49 am

    What does scripture say, Genesis 3 verse 15, and i will put enmity between thee and the women, and between thy seed and her seed, it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel,

    seed in Hebrew can also translate off spring. so i would look at other scripture to ,

    to say its a gross violation of forum statement , to validate what you believe, research, scripture, manuscripts,even what has been and still believed by christians, every thing out side of the orthodox view, which ever became the most popular belief, opinion theory,was then considered heresy. but was it?


    and im not just talking about the serpent seed theory. views on the trinity, the rapture, for instance, the divinity of Jesus , some teachings, beliefs, came much later.


    we only have thousands of copies of manuscripts, many manuscripts differ in their content, there are things added in later manuscripts, that were not in earlier manuscripts.

    some things added as said much later, it is stated to the scribes would also add their own interpretation, even add verses
    as they did at the end of Marks Gospel, Jereimaih also mentions the lying pen of the scribes.


    where the Gospels of Mark , Mathew, Luke and John actualy written, by them,? we see in the Gospels some chapters, copied from the same manuscripts, and appear the same word for word.



    we also see two accounts of the same event, with different out comes, ect



    or scripture mentioned said to be in Isiaih, that may actualy be in exodus.

    added by who and for what reason, there are mistakes to that are clear to see, also mistakes in translation.

    any true bible scholer, worth his or her salt, will confirm this.

    are the bibles that we have today infallable ?

    http://www.christianforums.net/f15/bible-infallable-37406/

    for myself unlike other faiths, we have the freedom to question,validate, research,ect the written word, as the written word can be manipulated, if i had been born in an islamic country, even to question the written word, could mean death,

    so there is a real danger when people are forced to accept what they must believe, to be the truth. which maynot even be the truth.

    so the written word can also hold alot of people in spiritual bondage, the world over.



    like wise also in cults and sects. johnny
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    Post by Strangelove on Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:33 pm

    Wow...that month went quickly. Hey Johnny..picking up where you left off I see. Are you sure you wanna do that?

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    Post by johnny botwright on Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:52 pm

    im not one to leave things unfinished , when i can i will always see a matter through. why do you wish you,d made it two months in the hope id walk away.



    like ive said before, you feel that way inclined, knock your self out.



    because what ever you think you have, wont be enough. johnny
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