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Post by Strangelove on Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:30 pm

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Hi Doc, Musk, Zone

Doc. I just tried to post my links but was not allowed. It says new members cannot do so for 7 days. Could you remove that block for me, so that I can post the links.

Thanks

No idea mate.

Just post the text of the link and I'll edit it.

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Re: Mark Driscoll and the Emerging Church

Post by John Chingford on Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:34 pm

Oooohhhh

Maybe for meanwhile I will just post the whole article giving the links without the www and http included. Hope you don't mind.


Here is the link to my blog article which includes why New Frontiers is part of the 21st Century apostasy and how it has ecumenical and new age links:

LINK : watchmanforJesusblogspot

Please also go to the comments section, specifically read from this part onwards:

LINK : watchmanforjesus.blogspo - comments



This video illustrates how weird the NAR are becoming. It sounds so demonic.

Here is an excerpt (written before the Lakeland revival) to prove the point from:

LINK: Birthpangs

“Branching out from their former isolation and tight doctrines, they have become ecumenistic, almost liberal, and are networking with every church group imaginable. The restoration fellowships, together with Elim Pentecostal fellowships, were in the forefront of the Toronto, Promise Keepers and Pensacola controversies, just as they had promoted the Kansas City Prophets earlier on.

Restoration teachings are responsible for infecting almost every branch of British church life, and their goal of full visible unity seems to draw nearer every year, as successive churches succumb to their influence.”

This link: Birthpangs | A NEW WORLD ORDER IN THE MAKING


also gives the full history behind the New Frontiers movement.

As I (myself) got drawn into them during the 1980′s and 1990′s I DO know that these things are TRUE.
Let me start you a question:

Does New Frontiers support any of the following:
Latter Rain,Manifest Sons Of God,
Word of Faith, Shepherding Movement,Spring Harvest, New Breed, Joel’s Army, New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), Third Wave Movement, Vineyard, Toronto Blessing, Pensacola and Lakeland Revivals, Alpha, TBN, Seeker Friendly, Purpose Driven, Emerging Church, HillSong, Promise-Keepers, Renovaré,Elijah List (list of prophetic Ministries), Manhattan Declaration, Westminster 2010 Declaration, THE MESSAGE, Lausanne Movement, International Apostolic Council (IAC), International Coalition of Apostles (ICA)?

All of these are ecumenical (ie links with Rome) and some of them have incorporated new age practices. If anyone or any group are joined to any of these, they are also part of the ecumenical train because these have all been infected by Rome and association means endorsing.

Did you know that the history behind the restoration movements came out of the Latter rain movement and was heavily inluenced by the shepherding movement and the Lauderdale 5.

In the 1960′s we had Vatican II ecumenical resolution. From this time onwards, the Vatican have been seeking ways to get protestants back into their fold and have used any means.

1971 The first international charismatic conference held in Guildford in 1971 was described by some as the “Coming of Age of The Renewal” yet it was attended by 40 Lutherans and 30 Roman Catholics and one of the main speakers was Kevin Ranaghan. “Mr Pentecost” David Du Plessis was also there.
In 1972, Cardinal Suenens became intimately involved in the Renewal and introduced it to the Catholic Charismatic movement.

In 1974 Martin and Clark teamed up with the ‘Fort Lauderdale Five’ (Bob Mumford, Charles Simpson, Derek Prince, Don Basham & Ern Baxter – former secretary to William Branham), who were the founders of the Shepherding Movement, which later became known as the Charismatic Movement (yes, friends, the Shepherding came first!).

They were joined by John Poole, another latter Rain adherent. Together these men established a group for ecumenical renewal.
A council was elected whose existence was kept secret as it was not acceptable at the time for Protestants to ‘labour in the Gospel’ with Catholics.
For the fledgling Shepherding Movement the money and power of the Vatican were attractive: for Martin and Clark it was a golden opportunity to begin implementing the ecumenical and Charismatic aspirations of Vatican II.

I heard from Terry Virgo’s own lips on video, how he supports Toronto and Lakeland and does not condemn the false practices and teachings of the CATHOLIC sent Todd Bentley.
If you look at the history (which I will reveal in due course) of Latter Rain you will see it has occultic origins.

It was said that New Frontiers is now separate from Restoration churches. However, it is easier to get out of the restoration movement than it is to get the restoration movement out of New Frontiers.

Terry Virgo is still heavily influenced by his background and shows this by leading New Frontiers down the same path as the Latter Rain, Joels Army, Manifest Sons of God, New Breed, New Apostolic Reformation, Promise Keepers are following. No wonder NF follow the false revivals.

If I am wrong, please prove it to me. I am happy to be corrected if I am wrong.

But the evidence is overwhelming that New Frontiers leadership are influencing the churches to become ecumenical and encouraging everyone to follow the new paradigm of experiences in place of and above what the Bible teaches.

For example C Peter Wagner teaches that new revelation is just as important as revealed Biblical Truth and that “the end justifies the means”. Where does the Bible say that? In fact the Bible teaches the opposite. So deception and using occultic practices is okay if it produces decisions for Christ? NO WAY!

C Peter Wagner has got his fingers in countless pies and seems to be one of the greatest influences of the evangelical and charismatic churches becoming ecumenical in our day.

Quite honestly, the New Frontiers (born out of the restoration movement) has a very questionable foundation and DEFINITELY associates with “so called” charismatic catholics. They are still Catholics and choose to be attached to Rome (even if they are charismatic) and still part of the Vatican II resolution to bring about the unifying of evangelical churches to Rome.

If anyone or any group associates with Rome (in the way I mentioned above) they are ecumenical.

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Re: Mark Driscoll and the Emerging Church

Post by Strangelove on Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:04 pm

Watched the video....totally horrendous. Things have moved on since I was a little nipper watching the freaky yanks on TV running up and down the ailes waving their arms around. this looks like a grateful dead concert with everyone nutted on acid. Seriously WHAT are they doin'?

Chingy, I'm also from the UK...London...been living abroad for 10 years though....please tell me....this stuff isn't going on in the UK is it?

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Re: Mark Driscoll and the Emerging Church

Post by John Chingford on Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:24 pm

Strangelove wrote:Watched the video....totally horrendous. Things have moved on since I was a little nipper watching the freaky yanks on TV running up and down the ailes waving their arms around. this looks like a grateful dead concert with everyone nutted on acid. Seriously WHAT are they doin'?

Chingy, I'm also from the UK...London...been living abroad for 10 years though....please tell me....this stuff isn't going on in the UK is it?

I'm afraid it is. It started in the UK before reaching US. For example (as I understand it) Latter Rain and Word Faith commenced in US but had a bigger impact in the UK than in the US. Between US and Britain they are spreading the apostasy globally. You wouldn't have been aware of it because (according to your profile) you became a believer after leaving the UK. But it has been rife since the 1970's and most notably grown out of control since the 1980's.

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Re: Mark Driscoll and the Emerging Church

Post by John Chingford on Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:28 pm

It particularly took off after John Wimber (of NAR and Vineyard) came to Britain and then the apostasy took on a storm with the Toronto Curse (I cannot call it a blessing).

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Re: Mark Driscoll and the Emerging Church

Post by vietrandy on Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:23 pm

I'm supposed to go to Gibbon Africa on a business trip. Don't know what I'd be able to do from there.
Thanks to John for posting these very disturbing segments. Yes, I'd say Driscoll is on a path to destruction and I pray they smoke him out before he takes a lot of innocent souls down with him.

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Re: Mark Driscoll and the Emerging Church

Post by Strangelove on Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:56 pm

vietrandy wrote:I'm supposed to go to Gibbon Africa on a business trip. Don't know what I'd be able to do from there.
Thanks to John for posting these very disturbing segments. Yes, I'd say Driscoll is on a path to destruction and I pray they smoke him out before he takes a lot of innocent souls down with him.

Hey Randy check the Ghana post out here.

See what the talmudists are infecting the people there with (noahide law)...

LINK :::Re: The Noahide Laws

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Re: Mark Driscoll and the Emerging Church

Post by MUSKOKAMAN on Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:39 pm

John Chingford wrote:It particularly took off after John Wimber (of NAR and Vineyard) came to Britain and then the apostasy took on a storm with the Toronto Curse (I cannot call it a blessing).

What's the Toronto curse John?

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Re: Mark Driscoll and the Emerging Church

Post by Strangelove on Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:19 pm

MUSKOKAMAN wrote:
John Chingford wrote:It particularly took off after John Wimber (of NAR and Vineyard) came to Britain and then the apostasy took on a storm with the Toronto Curse (I cannot call it a blessing).

What's the Toronto curse John?

I think it was a tongue in cheek reference to this:

LINK ::: Toronto Blessing

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Re: Mark Driscoll and the Emerging Church

Post by John Chingford on Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:52 pm

Strangelove wrote:
I think it was a tongue in cheek reference to this:

LINK ::: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_blessing]Toronto Blessing[/url]

Spot on Doc

I mean how can any sane believer, call it a blessing. It has become a curse to evangelical Christianity helping to bring apostasy into full blossom.

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Post by zone on Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:34 pm

John Chingford wrote:It particularly took off after John Wimber (of NAR and Vineyard) came to Britain and then the apostasy took on a storm with the Toronto Curse (I cannot call it a blessing).

john: i wont go into it long long here, but i have actual first-hand experience with the kundalini spirit from Toronto. its very real. i went to a little church very early in my salvation i found out later (after intervention by The Lord and a call to pray and fast...no clue what it was)...it took 3 weeks of deliverance, i didn't do it, Jesus did, and i was taught at the same time. can't explain it shorthand. it was only ME. i had zero christian friends or support. none.

it only took ONE TIME OF SOMEONE PUTTING THEIR HANDS ON ME CALLING FOR FIRE. i was paralyzed and saw flashing visions and immediately felt drunk and it lasted for nearly a month! i thought i had arrived.

long story short, one day after a month or so i spotted my Bible ON A SHELF! dusty! i hadn't looked at it at all...and I FELT AFRAID OF IT! THAT'S WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT SHOOK ME TO THE CORE....and the battle began. i knew something was wrong.

i FINALLY "heard" that small voice from deep deep within "prayer and fasting': THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL IT WAS. i had no idea what it meant or that i wouldn't be doing it, The Holy Spirit was going to do it and He did. i can't say TOOK OVER as in i lost control, hardly...almost the opposite, but i knew He had me by the scruff of the neck as it were and i simply obeyed what I KNEW in my thinking functioning mind He wanted me to do, when He wanted me to do...pray now, eat now,, sleep now, read now, walk now etc... not robotic.

during the time of fasting and deliverance from having that thing transmitted by laying on of hands, one of the things The Lord did was TEACH TEACH TEACH. i just read and went where i was led (library, old newspapers...they were just there. if i went to the library, i walked to an aisle and looked at a book, took it out and IT WAS ON THE VERY SUBJECT....this is how i learned, not one book or www search was inapproriate or the wrong direction....straight through all of it in 3 weeks).

one book in particular i "looked at" and had ZERO CLUE what it was was called the Toronto Blessing. i felt led and took it home.

BAM. i was able to speed read with full comprehension for 3 weeks. i spent nearly 24 hours per day learning, from books to scripture and internet and back again. i lost 30 pounds and grew in strength and i have to call it power, but not my own.

the next thing i was led to from the Toronto Blessing book (as He showed me thats what had happened to me...they were holy laughter people) was this:


War On The Saints

THE TRULY UNABRIDGED EDITION-


By Jessie Penn-Lewis
With Evan Roberts



World Wide Web Edition



Deliverance from the power
of the evil one comes through
definite resistance on the
ground of the Cross.

J. O. FRASER.

http://www.acts1711.com/wots.html

go to this page:

http://www.acts1711.com/TrueWorkings.html

look at the counterfeit side. there's a section about being "carried" by angels or spirits etc....I EXPERIENCED IT EXACTLY THE SAME WAY. almost all of the identical things on the list.

this book was co written by evangelist evan roberts after the welsh revvial. he had a nervous breakdown after it and lived with penn-lewis and wrote this book. he later recanted, then recanted again.

i researched him on microfilm at the library and found a quote from a newspaper at the time where he was asked why he was led to do the revival - He said God the Father came to his room and told him to do it.

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Re: Mark Driscoll and the Emerging Church

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Re: Mark Driscoll and the Emerging Church

Post by vietrandy on Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:35 am

thank you Zone

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Re: Mark Driscoll and the Emerging Church

Post by vietrandy on Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:42 am

Dear Zone,
This is what got me onto a Driscoll as a whistle blower. I watched my brilliant, on fire for the Lord, son who'd returned home from two combat tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan as a special forces officer turn into a "creature" I no longer recognized after about 1 year of heavy doses of Mark Driscoll. We've had to cleave our relationship for a season while I leave him for this time for God to show my son that it is Jesus Christ he is to follow and NOT Mark Driscoll. By faith, I'm sure it will happen soon when Driscoll falls. Pride comes before the fall. And actually, I'm looking at Driscoll as a training aide and tool of the Lord to show the saints what evils Satan does to those who fill up with pride and lose their way.
God bless you sister for your wonderful research and love for our Lord Jesus Christ.


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Post by vietrandy on Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:09 pm

MORE PROOF OF HOW MARK DRISCOLL's ABORTION OF SONG OF SONGS IN HIS PEASANT PRINCESS SERIES IS SO EVIL:
(reminder: mark driscoll of Mars Hill church in his peasant princess series teaches that the song of songs in the bible "must never" be taken in allegory but rather literal in meaning to teach a husband and wife how to behave in a relationship. he even goes into detail of him and his wife sharing a bottle of wine to get intimate. But here, in addition to my earlier comments, is more proof of how wonderful and powerful song of songs is in showing us the true meaning of Christ and the bride, the true church..:
THE MYSTERY OF THE CHURCH:
“The Shepherd and the Shulamite”
By Keith Malcomson

The Song of Solomon is certainly my favourite book of the Old Testament. From a child I have been most aware that it opened up a deep revelation concerning intimate fellowship with the person of Jesus Christ.


Just as the Book of Ruth was read each year at the Feast of Pentecost by Israel, the Book of Solomon was read by them at Passover. Its theme and message is redeeming love. It speaks of the Bride and the Blood.


It starts with the words “Song of Songs” (Song 1:1). Solomon wrote 1005 songs and 3000 proverbs (I Kgs.4:32), yet this is the greatest song he ever wrote. It is thee song or the greatest song of all. Moses and David were also song writers but this is indeed the greatest.


Solomon


Most commentators and Bible teachers, both ancient and modern, teach that Solomon in this song is a type of Christ and that the Shulamite is a type of the Church. But this is only partially correct. In this song Solomon is not a type of Jesus Christ.


During the events and writing of this song we read in Song 6:8 that Solomon had 60 Queens, 80 concubines and virgins without number. For Solomon to pursue the Shulamite and add her to his already large harem which would yet grow in size to 1000 is hardly a story about the exclusive love of Jesus Christ.


In earlier days Solomon had experienced personal visitations of God (I Kgs.11:9). His name means peace and at birth he was given the name Jedidiah by God which means whom the Lord has sworn to love.


He was one who knew the real Gospel of grace, who had an experience of the true God and who walked in the truth of God but through love of many foreign women his heart was turned from the true God unto other god’s.


Solomon is a picture in this song of many loves and of foreign beliefs mixed with the true gospel. He is a picture of the true and false mixed and merged within the church. He reveals to us a gospel and church which is a mixture of the real with utter apostasy.


The Shulamite


Solomon had many women. Why would he write about the Shulamite? He wrote about her because she was the one who got away. He had all the wealth, all the woman and all the wisdom he could desire but he wanted this little woman as well. But she resisted all his offers and eventually got away.


Some commentators have thought that she was Pharaoh’s daughter or the Queen of Sheba. But again this cannot be so. She was not rich, powerful or foreign. We are told that she tended sheep and tended to vineyards and as a result she was heavily sunburnt (Song 1:6). Her mother was a widow and she had brothers.


She is always associated in the song with villages, fields, gardens, sheepfolds and mountains; not palaces, princes and power. Her name comes from Shulem or Shunem a small village near Nazareth (Song 6:13)




The Shepherd



Jesus Christ our Shepherd


Who then is her lover in the song? He is called the Shepherd. He may well have even come from Nazareth! He is revealed in Song 1:7 as her lover and as a shepherd, “Tell me, O thou whom my soul loveth, where thou feedest, where thou makest thy flock to rest at noon: for why should I be as one that turneth aside by the flocks of thy companions?”


Jesus Christ is the “shepherd of the sheep” (Jn.10:2) “the good shepherd” (11) “the great shepherd” (Heb.13:12) and “the chief Shepherd” (I Pet.5:4). The predominate mark of the Shepherd is His sacrificial love. This was the one whom the Shulamite loved and who the Church now loves.


All through this song the Shepherd refers to the Shulamite as “My love, my fair one” and as the “fairest among women” (Song 1:15; 2:10, 13; 4:1, 7, 10; 5:9; 6:1, 10). There was none to compare with her; she was His only true love. This is another proof that he cannot have been Solomon. This was an exclusive love set upon one person only and shared with none other.


Her Beloved goes on to say “Thou hast ravished my heart, my sister, my spouse; thou hast ravished my heart with one of thine eyes...” (Song 4:9) and “Turn away thine eyes from me, for they have overcome me:” (Song 6:5). The term to “ravish the heart” means to take the heart to yourself. The term “overcome” means to capture. So we see here the beautiful truth that because her eyes and love is fixed upon the Shepherd alone and because her eye is single upon him, she has literally taken his heart captive – Oh to have such a vision of Jesus Christ.


The Story Behind the Song


Let’s look very briefly at the overall story. The Shulamite lived at Shumem with her widowed mother and brothers. It was in the days of her youth that she fell in love with the shepherd boy who laboured in the hills.


Her brothers were angry with her so they sent her away to look after their vineyards. While labouring there in the hot sun with her own hands and missing her beloved, King Solomon visits his thousand vineyards in the same area. When his eyes fall upon her and he sees her beauty he immediately falls in love with her and desires to win her as his own. Today’s ecumenical movement desires to woo every pure chaste virgin church into an apostate union.


She is brought back to Jerusalem where Solomon begins to woo her in an attempt to win her with his wealth and words. He pours out adoration and offers her everything in order to add her to his entourage of women.


Here she is in Jerusalem. It is the most religious city in the world with the greatest heritage and reputation that can be found anywhere. The worship; the temple; the walls; the gathering of the people for the feasts; it was here that the greatest and wisest sermons could be heard from the most gifted man of the age. What else could she desire? Would this not fulfil all her dreams?


No. She was in love with the Shepherd boy. He alone is what she desired. This song is made up of chapters filled with dreams, visitations, longings, failures, searching’s, heartache, prayers, revivals and much time as she awaits the coming of the Shepherd boy. It is her love for him that keeps her heart. None else will satisfy her. She is not looking for the confused mixture of true and false religion found at Jerusalem; she is seeking for the person of Christ Himself.


While Solomon presses upon her an ecumenical church union, she instead is separated by her love for the Shepherd. Her love is an exclusive love.


The Watchmen


She speaks of the watchmen who walked around the streets and walls of Jerusalem at night. Of course these watchmen were supposed to bring safety to the inhabitants and to guard the people of God when it was dark.


She encounters them at a time when she is desperate for her beloved, the Shepherd. Nothing in Jerusalem could satisfy; she must have his presence and person alone. “The watchmen that go about the city found me: to whom I said, Saw ye him whom my soul loveth? It was but a little that I passed from them, but I found him whom my soul loveth: I held him, and would not let him go” (Song 3:3-4). They had no answer for her; no Christ to give her; they knew not how to find him. But her hungry heart leads to him.


Again later during a time of hesitancy on her part in seeking after Christ she goes in search of him in the streets. “The watchmen that went about the city found me, they smote me, they wounded me; (Song 5:7). These watchmen not only could not point her to Christ but abused her physically. Instead of healing her they wounded her. Many so-called watchmen and Shepherds are not only failing in the care of the Church but are hurting her terribly. They are busy bending the Bride to the culture of Solomon’s Jerusalem instead of leading her to Christ.


She also says “the keepers of the walls took away my veil from me.” (Song 5:7). These men who were to warn of the approach of the enemy against the walls were instead caught up in removing the modest covering of the Shulamite and making her a shame and reproach to all.


So many watchmen today have lost the ability to keep watch against the enemy and instead entertain themselves by leading the Bride into shame and exposing her beauty to the world.


Jesus called himself the Bridegroom (Mt.9:15; 25:1; 5-6). John the Baptist said, “I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. (Song 3:29).


Again the five-fold ministry must return to be “friends of the bridegroom.” They ought not to draw the Bride to themselves but aught always to point to Christ and to present her to Christ. This alone will test the worth of their ministries. Their motto must be “He must increase, but I must decrease.” (Song 3:30)


The Daughters of Jerusalem


One last group who appear in the story several times are the daughters of Jerusalem. They live in Jerusalem and are captivated by the glory, glamour and gild of this powerful King.


They are a picture of virgin churches that have been seduced by Solomon and so added to his harem. They are captivated by him but having won them he now counts them as only one amongst many.


In Revelation 17:5 we read of the MOTHER OF HARLOTS; a Mother of Harlots or one who mothers harlots. This Harlot makes harlots of virgin churches. Revelation 17 is a prophecy concerning the Roman Catholic Church in the end days before Christ’s return for His Bride. Today through ecumenical charismatic influences Rome is wholesale making harlots of most churches but one will escape this confusion, deception and apostasy; she is the true Bride of Christ.


We have watched Rome since the glorious Revival in the days of the Reformation make harlots of the Lutheran Church, the Anglican Church, the Methodist Church and now the Pentecostal Church.


These daughters of Jerusalem are in the most religious city on the earth – Jerusalem. In Revelation Jerusalem is spiritually called “Sodom and Egypt.” This city once noted for her great kings, revivals and prophets, although still religious, is no different from Sodom and Egypt. She is unclean inside.


These daughters of Jerusalem cannot understand why the Shulamite thinks more of her Shepherd than of Solomon. They constantly beseech her to look at and love King Solomon but she in response charges them to ‘not stir up her love’ or ‘move her heart’ unto things or persons of this world (Song 2:7; 5:8; 8:4). Her love is singular; it is agape love.


Their response to this is “What is thy beloved more than another beloved, O thou fairest among women? what is thy beloved more than another beloved, that thou dost so charge us? (Song 5:9). They cannot understand her love for the shepherd taking priority over this ecumenical city and its king.


She then preaches to them concerning her Christ, “My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.” (Song 5:10). She not only charges and challenges them but also preaches to them by overflowing with a message of utter consuming love, dedication and faithfulness.


This is revival preaching which comes forth out of love to Christ. This sort of preaching will arise and challenge worldly compromised churches to repent and return to their first love. Thank God in this song this revived Bride reaches some of these daughters: “Whither is thy beloved gone, O thou fairest among women? whither is thy beloved turned aside? that we may seek him with thee.” (Song 6:1).


Rev 22:17 “And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.”


Spiritual Fruit & the Shepherd’s Return


In the midst of this song in chapter 5, Solomon, the Watchmen and the Daughters disappear from sight leaving the Shulamite alone in her garden with her beloved.


The Shepherd is called, “Thou that dwellest in the gardens” (Song 8:13). In chapter Song 4:12, she is called “A garden inclosed.” She is like a garden where the fruit of the Spirit grows. Around the garden is a protective wall to keep out all but the Shepherd. Only He can partake of the spiritual fruit of the Bride. While the Church is on earth the one thing Christ seeks for is the fruit of the Holy Spirit (Gal.5:22-23).


In 4:16, she prays for the Spirit of God to blow upon her in such a way as to revive her and to bring forth Christian character and virtue. “Awake, O north wind; and come, thou south; blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow out. Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant fruits.” Christ responds by saying “I am come into my garden, my sister, my spouse:” (Song 5:1) He visits her regularly to inspect her love to Him and likeness to Him.


Lastly, all through the song she looks forward to a better day, “Until the day break, and the shadows flee away” (Song 2:17; 4:6). At present she sees “through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.” (I Cor.13:12).


At present she must persevere through trials, troubles and temptations, but then she shall possess in fullness the one she has loved.


One day very soon there will be a sight seen by every eye and one question asked by every tongue “Who is this that cometh up from the wilderness, leaning upon her beloved?” (Song 8:5). It is the Shulamite leaning on the Shepherd.


“And the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.” (Zech.14:5). “Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,” (Jude 14). “...the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.” (I Thess.3:13) “Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.” (Rev.1:7)


The Shulamite is a beautiful type and picture of the true Church from the day of Pentecost until the return of her beloved when she shall be caught up to be with Him in the air.


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Re: Mark Driscoll and the Emerging Church

Post by zone on Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:26 pm

ya randy lots of the emergents are making it ALL about sex (sensuality).

their songs/sermons are about Jesus and me, me and Jesus (very inappropriately intimate)....some discernment and apologetics guys say the emergents are the grown up kids who were subjected to the FIRST YOUTH MINISTRIES: something new.

the young should NEVER have been separated from the adults and the real sermon and church services...they had to be entertained, and the programs made relevent and hip. some historians have suggested those kids NEVER heard a proper sermon their whole lives.

now they are "pastors"
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Post by vietrandy on Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:27 pm

Oh my.... This makes so much sense, Zone...I remember how clearly years ago as children we'd be herded off to sunday school and told we had to go listen to something we understood and would enjoy more than the boring big person,old people sermons... Ouch! "Now they are pastors"
Thank you sister for sharing this information.
here's some more on Driscoll that came in from a sister in Christ.
As to Mark Driscoll and the Peasant Princess-
I watched the preview-- http://marshill.com/media/the-peasant-princess/the-peasant-princess-preview#play

and I am really grieved at the whole thing. Mark Driscoll says that this on-going series is about the Song of Songs and he does say it is about dating, sex, romance and intimacy. ALL of which has absolutely NOTHING to do with the TRUE story that God is revealing to us in the Song of Solomon!

I can imagine there are many men who have a hard time understanding how to translate the story of intimacy between the Shulamite woman and her Shepherd love and equate this to the kind of intimate relationship that God wants us to have with Him. But the truth is the relationship we have with Jesus IS a Love relationship because just as we would choose our mate, we must choose Him. He does not force us to do so. He did not create robots, it is OUR choice. Think about your own marriage, were you forced to love that person? NO. And this is why God uses the love relationship between a man and woman to help us understand this concept. And it is so awesomely expressed in the Song of Solomon!

So once again, we must keep our eyes and hearts focused on Christ and His word and let God be true and every man a liar!

In Christ, Sarah


if you Google him there is lots on controversy around the guys beliefs. This article called "Who Would Jesus Smack Down" says; "he has the coolest style and foulest mouth of any preacher you’ve ever seen."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/magazine/11punk-t.html?pagewanted=all

I can hardly believe some of the titles of some of his videos on Youtube-
"Biblical Oral Sex"
"Jesus Is "Kinda Like" Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert"
http://believersjourney.blogspot.com/2011/10/shepherd-and-shulamite.html


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Post by zone on Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:35 pm

take note of most contemporary xtian "worship" music and lyrics.

its sexual/carnal and far too inappropriately intimate.

we are to worship as the angels do, singing psalms and hymns that honour the Creator of the Universe and give Him GLORY. music in services is FAR TOO OVERRATED!!!!

we are NOT to make it about ME AND MY LOVE FOR Jesus. ME AND MY WALK with Jesus ME AND MY service to Jesus.

WRONG........yes, salvation is individual and we are known personally by Our Great Shepherd. in no way should we EVER lower the standard of reverence and respect to hookin up with JC, our homeboy, or JC our intimate hubby.

its grotesque.
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Post by zone on Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:30 am

October 07, 2011


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Post by vietrandy on Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:55 am

Great stuff, Zone, Thank you.
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Love his saying: Stop the tape, rewind it and say, "Wait a minute! that's not what God's word says."

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Post by zone on Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:11 am

Emergent Church Apostasy -Wolves In Our Midst!

10/15/2006 (SUN) | Bible: Matthew 7:15


http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=101606115756



FANTASTIC SERMON.

SMACK-DOWN on pastors who allow these guys in...
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Post by vietrandy on Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:48 am

Hey Zone, This was really an eye opening. thanks for sharing.

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EMERGENT ESCHATOLOGY

Post by zone on Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:03 pm

Listen to Pastor Bob's lecture on Emergent Eschatology HERE.

http://cicministry.org/



this lecture by Bob Dewaay on the Emergent Church and what it REALLY teaches is worth every minute.

he dug deep and discovered where this thing came from....about halfway through he reveals in their own words what their goal is, and what they are accomplishing; ABDUCTION of our youth by taking them from orthodoxy to experiential mysticism, where they have AN EXPERIENCE, and are unwilling or unable to simply walk by faith any longer....they leave THE FAITH.

God can deliver them, but this is good information to pre-empt them from coming into your church or taking your kids.

the issue is more serious than i thought, and any youth or people drifting that way have to be stopped. its serious folks.
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Post by vietrandy on Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:47 pm

"Mysticism is something quite separate from religion in its outward face – usually it doesn’t even have one of these. Arguably, a religion is the accepting of an interpretation of someone else's intuited knowledge (i.e. Christ’s word), whereas mysticism is the gradual arrival at that same knowledge through personal efforts (i.e. Buddhism). That’s not to say that mysticism doesn’t have its doctrines or authority figures, but rather to indicate that in contrast to religion, mysticism has at its heart an urge to make fundamental changes to the constitution of the human, and whose focus is more upon individual experience than faith or the revelation of others. Before we continue, the distinction must be made here that we are talking of mystical systems, not mysticism in a philosophical, doctrinal or poetic sense. The mysticism of which we are talking is experiential mysticism, which is, of course, the most fun kind!"
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Post by vietrandy on Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:37 pm

it's all shocking, truly demonic in nature and certainly relevant in these last days. I've got a lot more study to do on this, but at this point it is so obvious that Satan is orchestrating every detail of this movement.

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Post by vietrandy on Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:39 pm

Zone, you're so right.. this is very serious. The abduction thing is so tragic. May the saints prevail by the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony. Amen.

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Post by zone on Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:44 pm

The Legacy of the Charismatic Movement (2)

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?sid=31101546570

chris hand (Calvinist) does a good job of examining the charismatic movement (mainly in the UK - 2008)....his angle is the way it crept in via A SPECTRUM of minute changes, beginning with changes in MUSIC....and gradually (if it is possible) moves the people ALONG A SPECTRUM ranging from principled resistence to openness and acceptance slowly by degrees (using pressures/fears/compromise/ignorance of all sorts).

again: what is it that happens? EXPERIENCES HAPPEN, and the organ is no longer "good enough", the expository sermon is no longer adequate and so on.

he quotes leaders from reformed churches who have compromised and shows how they are all falling into it, being overwhelmed.

summary:

if we have not been firmly convinced, by the scriptures that CESSATIONISM is Biblical and continuationism is not it looks as though this thing has the ability to change even congregations that initially resisted firmly but NOT knowing WHY. knowing WHY this is not Biblical is the key to resistence.

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