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Post by ada on Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:50 pm

No i mean what i say.
Atheists or non-religious jews or not. They adheres the same enemy of Christ, called satan.
Same is true for judeo-christians, catholics, mormons...

But secular jews and orthodox jews are up to replace the gospel for their sanctified holocaust religion. And i don't care whether they are religious or not. They adheres judaism which is a satanic religion.Their exclusive shoah religion by using alleged antisemitism as a racket unites them, will become part of the nwo.No need to be religious but against the gentiles.

Am i getting mixed up ? No i don't think so. Do i believe their are true christian jews who believe in Jesus Christ who is one with the Father and the Holy Spirit? Of cause i do, though they are a remnant minority.
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Re: Who is the Enemy?

Post by Strangelove on Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:06 pm

Sorry, didnt wanna clog up the research thread with this stuff, but still wanna talk about it.

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Re: Who is the Enemy?

Post by Strangelove on Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:12 pm

ada wrote:No i mean what i say.
Atheists or non-religious jews or not. They adheres the same enemy of Christ, called satan.
Same is true for judeo-christians, catholics, mormons...

How can a completely non-religious jew adhere to satan?

ada wrote:But secular jews and orthodox jews are up to replace the gospel for their sanctified holocaust religion.

Isn't a secular jew simply a lost sheep (potentially) like any one without Christ?

I was there once. And didnt give a darn about replacing any gospel. How do you explain that?

ada wrote:And i don't care whether they are religious or not. They adheres judaism which is a satanic religion.

I called myself 'jew' but didnt adhere to the judaic religion in the slightest. How do you explain that?

My parents are in the same position right now. Are they trying to replace the Gospel?

ada wrote:Their exclusive shoah religion by using alleged antisemitism as a racket
unites them, will become part of the nwo.No need to be religious but
against the gentiles.

My dad isn't against gentiles in the slightest. He doesnt care. So where does that leave him on your hit list?

ada wrote:Am i getting mixed up ? No i don't think so. Do i believe their are true
christian jews who believe in Jesus Christ who is one with the Father
and the Holy Spirit? Of cause i do, though they are a remnant minority.

Ada....I'm not a Christian jew.....and my parents are not jews. We just CALL/ED ourselves jews. It doesnt mean anything

Is everyone who calls themselve jew your enemy? Or only those who are actively playing a role?

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Re: Who is the Enemy?

Post by ada on Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:25 pm

No more comments from me to this topic..
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Re: Who is the Enemy?

Post by zone on Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:03 pm

the enemy is The Talmud.

any jew who repudiates the talmud is okay in my books, same as the one who don't know anything about it, though they gotta be free of that supremacist indoc.
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Re: Who is the Enemy?

Post by Strangelove on Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:04 pm

zone wrote:the enemy is The Talmud.

any jew who repudiates the talmud is okay in my books, same as the one who don't know anything about it, though they gotta be free of that supremacist indoc.

Cool....so your ok to come round for dinner with my parents some night zoner?

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Re: Who is the Enemy?

Post by zone on Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:07 pm

Strangelove wrote:

Cool....so your ok to come round for dinner with my parents some night zoner?

i'd LOVE TO!

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Post by Grandpa on Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:57 pm

You called yourselves Jews but you were not Jews...

So your last name is Jewish and that is why? Like my last name is German and I call myself a German even though I have never been to Germany nor do I know any of their customs... ? Like that?

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Post by Strangelove on Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:11 pm

Ya like.....most 'jews' I know are athiest.

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Re: Who is the Enemy?

Post by Strangelove on Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:20 pm

Why not talk about this here if you wanna keep questioning me ada?

Answer my last post to you.

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Re: Who is the Enemy?

Post by Strangelove on Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:28 pm

ada wrote:No more comments from me to this topic..

I'm afraid I will have to insist that you answer my last post to you on this topic.

I will be deleting all further posts from you on other topics until this gets sorted out.

Doc.

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Re: Who is the Enemy?

Post by ada on Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:45 pm

Strangelove wrote:

I'm afraid I will have to insist that you answer my last post to you on this topic.

I will be deleting all further posts from you on other topics until this gets sorted out.

Doc.

Wow Doc you must have a hard time with me.
If so why? You lately said i am aggressive against you.
That is what you claim, but it was because you questioned bro nathanael's reliability.
But further explanations would lead to even more misunderstanding..
So i leave this out.

Before i go on? Is this a preparation to kick me out? Was it my tone as zone stated it, lately.
I confess this may happen cause my English is not my mother tongue,and yes i may sound a bit rude from time to time.
But i do not want to hurt anybody's feelings.

You asked:

How can a completely non-religious jew adhere to satan?

My answer.
How could the whole world be saved, if the prince of this world is lucifer?
Only through Jesus Christ.



Isn't a secular jew simply a lost sheep (potentially) like any one without Christ?
I was there once. And didnt give a darn about replacing any gospel. How do you explain that?

This is my personal view,without underlying bible verses, cause you wanted it reduced on secular jews.
One remark before i go on. You can not separate the material and the spiritual word.
Therefor it is not important whether they are secular or orthodox or you name it.
On the contrary . This material world is a counterpart to the spiritual word in heaven.


You mean just because they are secular mean many of them do not profit by the looting of their leaders?
You mean even if they are not "religious" they have no advantage with two passports.One for israel and one for the nation they live in?
You mean they do not profit from all the indulgence they get paid because of their imposed collective holocaust guilt, which is fraud?
You mean if they are atheists,nihilists,marxists or just revolutionaries to turn the world upside down this is not in their interest?
You mean they do not have an inherent hate against Jesus Christ his new covenant and against his children?
You mean secular jews do not dominate the material world as whole because they are the children of the prince of this world?

So why the noahide laws?
Why all their domination on top of almost all governments?
Why are they the masters of the motion pictures?
Why do they control the mainstream media?
Why do they posses all the private banks to produce worldwide guilt and enslavement?
Why are most of them silent stick together against the gentiles to plot the nations down to let their tikkun olam come quickly?
Why are most of them are taking the shekels and are not standing up and say the whole history is a jewish made up fraud?
Its because of blueprint from their father?

The last 200 years was not the suffering of the jews but the genocide against gentiles mostly Christians.
We are on the verge on a theocratic new world government where the secular jewish forces will play a leading role.

What is a secular jew? For me it does not matter whether they are secular or not.Same is true for zionist christians.
They are believers in Christ or they are part of the nwo agenda which is BABYLON!!
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Post by Strangelove on Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:06 pm

ada wrote:Wow Doc you must have a hard time with me.
If so why? You lately said i am aggressive against you.
That is what you claim, but it was because you questioned bro nathanael's reliability.

My questioning Kapners credibility is reason enough for you to be aggressive towards me personally?

Why?

ada wrote:But further explanations would lead to even more misunderstanding..
So i leave this out.

??

A bit cryptic, but lets continue...

ada wrote:Before i go on? Is this a preparation to kick me out? Was it my tone as zone stated it, lately.
I confess this may happen cause my English is not my mother tongue,and yes i may sound a bit rude from time to time.
But i do not want to hurt anybody's feelings.

Put it this way, the outcome of this little discussion here will dictate whether zone and I feel we need to seperate ourselves with you. We dont care as much about your tone or rudeness as some of the hatefullness we see coming from you.

ada wrote:My answer.
How could the whole world be saved, if the prince of this world is lucifer?
Only through Jesus Christ.

Thats not an answer. I asked you:

How can a completely non-religious jew adhere to satan?

Some people are deceived, some KNOW what their doing. Do ALL "jews" know what their doing and are actively adhering to satan?

Please answer.

ada wrote:This is my personal view,without underlying bible verses, cause you wanted it reduced on secular jews.
One remark before i go on. You can not separate the material and the spiritual word.
Therefor it is not important whether they are secular or orthodox or you name it.
On the contrary . This material world is a counterpart to the spiritual word in heaven.

Secular = not KNOWING the talmud...not KNOWING the plan....not understanding the battle.

There are those who KNOW and those who dont.

So there IS A DIFFERENCE.

What about muslims, buddhists and other religious systems? Are they all the enemy SAME as the 'jews'? Are they ALL the synagogue of satan?

ada wrote:You mean just because they are secular mean many of them do not profit by the looting of their leaders?

Some secular jews might profit and some gentiles may profit. Again...why is that THEIR fault. THEY'VE BEEN MANIPULATED! They dont have control over it. Do my parents control whats going on?

ada wrote:You mean even if they are not "religious" they have no advantage with
two passports.One for israel and one for the nation they live in?

So everyone with 2 passports is GUILTY?

ada wrote:You mean they do not profit from all the indulgence they get paid
because of their imposed collective holocaust guilt, which is fraud?

Did every jew mastermind this imposed guilt?

ada wrote:You mean if they are atheists,nihilists,marxists or just
revolutionaries to turn the world upside down this is not in their
interest?

Chaos is in NO ONES INTEREST EXCEPT SATAN!

Remember even the Mother of Harlots gets turned on in the end.

ada wrote:You mean they do not have an inherent hate against Jesus Christ his new covenant and against his children?

And so we must hate them back? These poor manipulated jews? Or do ALL jews actively take part in the conspiracy?

ada wrote:You mean secular jews do not dominate the material world as whole because they are the children of the prince of this world?

Does my mum and dad dominate the material world? Do all jews? Are they all guilty?

ada wrote:So why the noahide laws?
Why all their domination on top of almost all governments?
Why are they the masters of the motion pictures?
Why do they control the mainstream media?
Why do they posses all the private banks to produce worldwide guilt and enslavement?
Why are most of them silent stick together against the gentiles to plot the nations down to let their tikkun olam come quickly?
Why are most of them are taking the shekels and are not standing up and say the whole history is a jewish made up fraud?
Its because of blueprint from their father?

Yes the blueprint handed down to the SMALL NUMBER OF JEWS (who are not jews) that are IN ON IT!

Or are all jews in on the conspiracy? Lets get your opinion on the questions of mine that you skipped over please.

ARE ALL JEWS PLOTTING THE DOWFALL OF THE NATIONS?

ada wrote:The last 200 years was not the suffering of the jews but the genocide against gentiles mostly Christians.
We are on the verge on a theocratic new world government where the secular jewish forces will play a leading role.

And ALL jews have masterminded this?

Yes or no?

ada wrote:What is a secular jew? For me it does not matter whether they are secular or not.Same is true for zionist christians.
They are believers in Christ or they are part of the nwo agenda which is BABYLON!!

So there are no jews that have been USED?

There are no 'jews' that think they are truly doing God's work?

There are none who are deceived?

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Re: Who is the Enemy?

Post by ada on Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:31 pm

Forget about the term jews!
You are a jew.
I am german.
End of the story!

Jews are not more important than germans!

Either we are both brothers through Jesus Christ or not!
I do believe so!

So? What is your problem?
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Post by Strangelove on Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:36 pm

ada wrote:Forget about the term jews!
You are a jew.
I am german.
End of the story!

I am not a 'jew'. The term 'jew' is applied to anyone who gives themselves that title or has it thrust upon them from family and keeps it.

ada wrote:
Jews are not more important than germans!

Who is saying they are?

ada wrote:
Either we are both brothers through Jesus Christ or not!
I do believe so!

I'm still undecided.

ada wrote:
So? What is your problem?

My problem is we need to clear this up.

Please dont post in any other threads until you have addressed my last post, point by point.

Thank you.

I'm going to bed. Good night.

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Post by ada on Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:45 pm

You are still undecided?

What i already can guarantee you i will not fit in
your political correct behavior you would like to have.
So..

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Re: Who is the Enemy?

Post by zone on Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:03 pm

ada

this forum is hardly politically correct. doc and i started it if you recall. and the mission remains the same. identify the deceivers, and keep tabs on them, checking with scripture to see where we are.

we also do a lot of other stuff here - geo-politics/bible studies/fellowship.

this particular issue stems around one thing only: not your facts, not your line of research, but your apparent inclusion of all jews (whether they're authentically hebrew/converts/talmudists/secular/wanna-be's or formers) in an active plot.

this forum makes it clear we're fully aware of THE PLOT. and we are aware of the players.

the players are NOW and have ALWAYS been from jew and gentile (and that encompasses all of mankind. every kindred tongue and nation). AND THE BAD GUYS ARE RELATIVELY SMALL. the others are playing out roles the mind controllers have provided. in the end it makes no difference..without the gospel they're perishing. i don't hate anybody that much ada.

i'll speak only for myself - i just sense that you have no compassion for any jews at all. that they're all guilty for everything.

that's never been what this forum is for and it makes it look no better than stormfront. doc and i are AGAINST supremacism of any kind, WHATSOEVER. we post continually on the NON-JEWISH christians who are the NAR planning to take the planet for Jesus, and on and on.

i know your info is for the most part accurate and that you are zealous.

but this is the bottom line:

THE HATRED OF ALL JEWS because we see the age old plot isn't good enough. i won't do it.

do you have compassion for the average jew in this world who is actually headed to hell without jesus just like the muslims and atheists and but for the grace of God US?

zone.

i'll just add, also, that my maternal family name is wallenstein.

am i the enemy? is my family?

i'll say again: THE BABYLONIAN TALMUD and those who actively work for it are/is the enemy
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Post by ada on Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:34 pm

I would never have been here if i have no compassion for the remnant!
What do you think? I am no racist? The so called term jew or german does not matter at all.But for this earth and the order God ordained it would be better to have nations! Therefor he destroyed babylon! And believe me :He would do it again!° Why? Cause babylon is worst slavery!Not that jews always have been the slave traders and ship owners..Their goals is the maximum..And they do not care abut anyone's Child or live! If you do not believe that,OK.. All i have learned in my humble live is. It is true. They are against Gods plan.And we Christians have our part to stop their destructive ways,. I believe what Jesus said against them in the NT. Any yes they as a whole did deicide! History tell exact the story and more over the present.You think i am wrong against the jews.Wait the next few years..
The christians did nothing against the evil talmudic jewish ways in the past.They have a run with all their hollywood filth.No one of you both just mention one word about their will to make a competition of Calvary with their holocaust religion.Why is that? Does it not bother you at all?
Is your only concern about the mafia jews? All? Of cause not! But some of their own know..Should i start naming them?
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Re: Who is the Enemy?

Post by zone on Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:01 am

ada...maybe you don't read the other threads.

we know the plan...we see it happening.

we know the apostates said at the Crucifixion 'let his blood be upon us and our children'. we know what the NT says.

but God has a remnant....BELOVED. we don't know who they are. but we have to care. we KNOW the truth. we SEE what's happening in the world, okay?

we overcome by the Blood of the lamb and the word of our testimony: we will never stop testifying of Christ; Who He is; What He has done for us.

but ada: when i consider Judgment Day, and eternity, and the wrath of God abiding on unregenerate men i tremble and feel terror for them, and pure gratitude that i heard the Gospel and that God justifies the ungodly.

i just plead for a little more balance. how can you uphold and use the testimony of jews who have chosen death or persecution instead of going along with the plot, then tar every one with a brush of hatred.

please. our job is hard enough: looking at the facts...and i know i get angry at times too, over the injustices. but the bad guys are from every race on earth. that's all i ask. if we have to aknowledge bad guys, let's keep it balanced. and let's PLEASE try to pull some from the fire.

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Re: Who is the Enemy?

Post by Strangelove on Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:30 am

ada wrote:You are still undecided?

What i already can guarantee you i will not fit in
your political correct behavior you would like to have.
So..

Good night.

If you are going to paint all 'jews' with the same brush and mark them all as the bad guys/deceivers and in on the conspiracy then I would like you to leave this forum.

We have no time here for that kind of broad hatred. We totally reject it.

Its not asking you to be politically correct, when we ask you to clarify those who KNOW the plot and those who are just deceived.

Maybe you should take some time out to think about it.

You are clearly not gonna change your mind any time soon. And you arn't answering my questions. So just go please.

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Re: Who is the Enemy?

Post by Strangelove on Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:42 am

ada wrote:I would never have been here if i have no compassion for the remnant!
What do you think? I am no racist? The so called term jew or german does not matter at all.But for this earth and the order God ordained it would be better to have nations! Therefor he destroyed babylon! And believe me :He would do it again!° Why? Cause babylon is worst slavery!Not that jews always have been the slave traders and ship owners..Their goals is the maximum..And they do not care abut anyone's Child or live! If you do not believe that,OK.. All i have learned in my humble live is. It is true. They are against Gods plan.And we Christians have our part to stop their destructive ways,. I believe what Jesus said against them in the NT. Any yes they as a whole did deicide! History tell exact the story and more over the present.You think i am wrong against the jews.Wait the next few years..

What about Jesus jewish Apostles? Did they commit deicide?

Are 'jews' today guilty? (they are not really jews!)


ada wrote:
The christians did nothing against the evil talmudic jewish ways in the past.They have a run with all their hollywood filth.No one of you both just mention one word about their will to make a competition of Calvary with their holocaust religion.Why is that? Does it not bother you at all?
Is your only concern about the mafia jews? All? Of cause not! But some of their own know..Should i start naming them?

Are you kidding? You dont see the work we put in in this forum?

We will have to seperate ourselves from you ada. sorry. Name all the names you want on another site. We're not gonna be branded as haters for your sake.

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Re: Who is the Enemy?

Post by ada on Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:41 am

Doc i saw this coming and i know why!
You twist words to have a reason to kick me out.
You cannot look into my heart.
Its always the same.
On the end the truth comes out in what you defend the most.
You just seems to have compassion for the jews and not for
their victims in the past and presence and their blatant hatred
against the Christians and the gentiles.
Again i go back to the point where you said that bro. Kappner is unreliable.
You have no right to force me to answer your questions if you refuse to tell me why you blame him unreliable.
For the view of most of the people you went to far already exposing the jews before i came and joined the forum.
Those people would have accused you as hater or anti semite just by telling the truth. Now you blame me and want to separate cause you think i was going to far? This is hypocritical.
I leave you alone no problem.
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Re: Who is the Enemy?

Post by zone on Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:21 pm

i thought this was clear.

ashkenazis are not hebrews (90% of jews today). they are khazars/GENTILES. if someone is descended from the khazars from 700ad when their king destroyed their history and they came to believe they were Biblical Hebrews, is somebody TODAYwho believes a lie about their heritage guilty for what the Pharisees WHO WERE DESCENDED from Abraham did?

maybe...if they mentally and publically ascent to what the Talmud says!!!

in that regard, it doesn't matter if somebody is Italian, Chinese, Khazars or hebrew: if they hate Jesus Christ personally and make a point of destroying everything related to Him and His people they are enemies of the Cross. simple.

the fact that the Talmud exists for that purpose alone, and those who end up following it are probably worse off than the just plain lost sinner is OBVIOUS.

but if somebody has no clue about who they really are, are not raised to know any religion, and follow their tribal or cultural conditioning; are they anything more than what we all once were - LOST AND HELLBOUND SINNERS?

the reality of the Synagogue of Satan is shocking enough. the realities of the Hidden Hand (Anglos btw...and likely khazars! figure that out...) and the conspiracy through the ages is hard enough to grasp....we've ALL been conditioned to NOT SEE (with help from satan who blinds the minds of people), that what ada said about what we've done here being enough to HAVE US CALLED ANTISEMITES is TRUE.

but being CALLED 'antisemitic' and accused of HATING jews is different from actually being or doing it.

do you know anyone who hates and fears allARABS? i do...almost the entire non-arab world! and WHY? because of the deception.! does that mean all arabs are innocent or all are bad guys? no.

there's no question there's a conspiracy of talmudic SoS. we know that.

and we are going to be called/branded haters and antisemitic ANYWAYS just for pointing to the truth. jews who do it are called self-haters.

adding REAL hate into the mix crosses the line, a line i REFUSE to have painted before me. i just won't go there. i can't. i am a sinner saved by Grace, who has ashkenazi background!!!!!!!!

i am dismayed and shocked and saddened and stunned by the magnitude of the conspiracy...BUT ITS GOING DOWN. all i want to do is DOCUMENT what we can and uncover what we can....and warn EVERYBODY who will listen that God's wrath is pointed at men and that day is coming.
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Re: Who is the Enemy?

Post by zone on Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:31 pm

ada wrote:Doc i saw this coming and i know why!
You twist words to have a reason to kick me out.
You cannot look into my heart.
Its always the same.
On the end the truth comes out in what you defend the most.
You just seems to have compassion for the jews and not for
their victims in the past and presence and their blatant hatred
against the Christians and the gentiles.
Again i go back to the point where you said that bro. Kappner is unreliable.
You have no right to force me to answer your questions if you refuse to tell me why you blame him unreliable.
For the view of most of the people you went to far already exposing the jews before i came and joined the forum.
Those people would have accused you as hater or anti semite just by telling the truth. Now you blame me and want to separate cause you think i was going to far? This is hypocritical.
I leave you alone no problem.

ada you're totally wrong about doc.

look at it from another angle - you're GERMAN. have you started a forum to expose hitler and the fact that german people DID do terrible things and DID sucumb to brainwashing and mass hysteria? have you as a german had the courage to expose THE GERMAN GENTILES involved in this plot? there are many of them....freemasons and germans of all stripes. but no, just the jews you focus on. GET IT? give doc some credit!!!

as for Kapner...have you not researched the Eastern orthodox religion?

i'm not saying he's not saved....i'm saying EO is highly suspect in and of itself...did you know it's the gnostic sister of judaized rome? did you know EO teaches divinization (man becoming God?) kapner does alot of good research. but EO is suspect. but you don't seem to read the other threads. doc and i are trying to look at the WHOLE picture..........

"going too far" is truly hating an entire people group when most of them are actually victims of a monstrous conspiracy. i suggest finding that audio recording of the christian woman teaching the khazarain jews about their history and their reactions to it...they turned to Christ. I LOVE THAT. that's my hope. not that they get wiped out, ignored, let to their own devices...
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Post by zone on Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:36 pm

i suggest we move this whole thread into bashing.

and clean this place up somehow. i'm losing my focus.

doing the jew-hatred thing plays right into the adl's hands and i'm not interested in that. if trouble comes as a result of just laying out the facts, so be it.
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Post by Strangelove on Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:35 pm

ada wrote:Doc i saw this coming and i know why!
You twist words to have a reason to kick me out.
You cannot look into my heart.

Your right, thats why I've given you countless opportunities to simply say "I dont hate all jews"

You've failed to do so.

ada wrote:Its always the same.
On the end the truth comes out in what you defend the most.

Huh? What do I defend the most? The Gospel of Jesus Christ I thought?

You're surely not saying, out of everything we discuss on this forum...that I......I defend the 'jews' the most?

LOLZ!

Hilarious dude.

ada wrote:You just seems to have compassion for the jews and not for
their victims in the past and presence and their blatant hatred
against the Christians and the gentiles.

What a ridiculous charge. Absurd. Where do you get this stuff?

ada wrote:Again i go back to the point where you said that bro. Kappner is unreliable.
You have no right to force me to answer your questions if you refuse to tell me why you blame him unreliable.

What? I SHOWED you in the relevant thread! He made a false statement about Abe Foxeman. I proved it by showing Foxeman doesnt deny history coz HE SAID IT in the very same article! Didnt you read my post?

ada wrote:For the view of most of the people you went to far already exposing the jews before i came and joined the forum.

Certainly.

ada wrote:Those people would have accused you as hater or anti semite just by telling the truth.

Yup.

ada wrote:Now you blame me and want to separate cause you think i was going to far? This is hypocritical.

No its not, its reality. You do go too far. You hate jews. Thats too far. I wont have it here. You shouldnt hate anyone, even you're enemies....let alone an ENTIRE GROUP most of whom are simply deceived.

ada wrote:I leave you alone no problem.

Goodbye, and I hope you have learnt something from our time together as I have.

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Post by zone on Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:09 pm

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/gilad-atzmon-on-jeff-renses-radio-show.html#entry13388922

Gilad Atzmon on Jeff Rense's Radio Show

Thursday, October 20, 2011 at 11:44AM Gilad Atzmon

Jeff Rense discusses The Wandering Who with Gilad Atzmon- Jewish Identity Politics, Jewish Lobby, AIPAC, CFI, Liam Fox (and his 'friends'), Iran, Gilad Shalit, History, temporality and beyond

42 minute interview. >> LISTEN

GILAD COVERS THIS VERY ISSUE.

not only does he tell the truth fearlessly, he states (paraphrasing): "i try not to talk about 'the jewish people' as though they have these issues inherent within their biology, but rather that the masses are victims of A DESTRUCTIVE IDEOLOGY.

he pulls no punches on the fact that they don't learn from history, nor accept criticism, but the ideais what is addressed on this thread: TRUTH, not HATE.

you can't fight hate or ignorance or even open evil with hate, but with truth.

Gilad is not a christian, but an humanist.

i recommend reading about the efforst to silence his book.

as Christians we know there's more to it than Gilad can see, but he's as truthful as he can be. he even mentions Jesus, and often recognizes Him as a real Person in history crucified at the instigation of the pharisees.





Jewish identity is tied up with some of the most difficult and contentious issues of today. The purpose in this book is to open many of these issues up for discussion. Since Israel defines itself openly as the ‘Jewish State’, we should ask what the notions of ’Judaism’, ‘Jewishness’, ‘Jewish culture’ and ‘Jewish ideology’ stand for. Gilad examines the tribal aspects embedded in Jewish secular discourse, both Zionist and anti Zionist; the ‘holocaust religion’; the meaning of ‘history’ and ‘time’ within the Jewish political discourse; the anti-Gentile ideologies entangled within different forms of secular Jewish political discourse and even within the Jewish left. He questions what it is that leads Diaspora Jews to identify themselves with Israel and affiliate with its politics. The devastating state of our world affairs raises an immediate demand for a conceptual shift in our intellectual and philosophical attitude towards politics, identity politics and history.

Gilad Atzmon: Thank God for the Jewish Chronicle

Saturday, October 22, 2011 at 9:29AM Gilad Atzmon



As always, the London Jewish Chronicle (JC) is providing us with an accurate insight into Jewish influence within the media and beyond. The JC is desperate to stop my book, The Wandering Who -- and it is also foolish enough to disclose its tactics, openly revealing to us the pressure which some elements within the Jewish community are willing to mount on Britain’s leading newspapers and other outlets.

This weekend The JC seems to be particularly frustrated, explaining to their concerned readers that “Britain's largest book distribution database company has said it cannot withdraw The Wandering Who unless the title is found to have breached race hate legislation”

And yet, it seems that no one in the Jewish Chronicle has read the book, or any of my writing -- otherwise it is hard to explain why the JC keeps labeling me as an ‘anti-Semite’ or a ‘racist’. Had the JC actually bothered to read my writing or taken the time to follow my speeches and debates, they would have realised that there is no trace of ‘racism’ or ‘anti-Semitism’ in my work: yes, I am critical of Jewish politics; yes I am an opponent of Jewish political power, and yes, I follow my duties as a humanist to expose Jewish identity politics for what it really is. This fact alone may explain why my book is supported by respected humanists and some of the most distinguished academics, all of whom are held in high regard in their fields and beyond.

The JC complains that “in the book Atzmon discusses his belief that ‘the Holocaust religion was well-established’ before the Nazis carried out aspects of the Shoah including the Final Solution and Kristallnacht.”

The JC is absolutely correct here. That is exactly what I am discussing. And yet, the question is, what is wrong with doing so? Is it racist or anti-Semitic? And indeed, I also insist that trauma is inherent to Jewish Culture. Here is, for instance, an old Jewish joke from the 19th century






A Jewish Telegram:

‘Get Worried, details to follow’.


In ‘The Wandering Who’ I contend that Jewish identity politics is defined by a unique condition, namely, ‘Pre Traumatic Stress Disorder’. It is the ‘future trauma’ that shapes the Jewish present and ideology.

The JC is also concerned with the following quote: "It is more than likely that 'Jews' do not have a centre or headquarters. It is more than likely that they aren't aware of their particular role within the entire system, the way an organ is not aware of its role within the complexity of an organism."

And yet I am puzzled by their concern: what is exactly wrong with the above? If anything, it suggests that there are no Jewish conspiracies, and that Jews as people are actually innocent of the sinister associations of such.

Or, does the JC prefer to argue otherwise? Would The JC insist that Lord Levy knew exactly what he was doing when he was the leading fundraiser for a government that took Britain into an illegal war? Does the JC prefer to argue that Neocons David Aaronovitch and Nick Cohen knew exactly what they were doing when they advocated the same war on every British press outlet that was foolish enough to let their voice be heard?

I actually seem to be slightly kinder to Aaronovitch, Cohen, Levy, Saban, Wolfowitz, Freidman, Sharon, Peres, Livni, Greenspan, Foxman and many others: I am happy to agree that they were hijacked by a lethal ideology or culture rather than being consciously sinister.

The Guardian of British Jews

I also learned from the JC that “A Guardian spokeswoman said that the way its books were advertised online would be reviewed following complaints about The Wandering Who.”

I think that The Guardian should indeed review its policy -- and the sooner the better. When I settled in this country seventeen years ago the ‘Left’ paper was regarded by many as the ‘guardian of the truth’, and yet it seems as if, in the last few years, this paper has deteriorated into a guardian of Zionist interests. This, explains for instance, The Guardian’s dubious relationship with Wiki leaks, and it explains why the paper failed to publish leaks concerning Israel. In a recent Counterpunch expose, Jonathan Cook elaborated on the Guardian as an increasingly Dangerous Cult.

However, I still want to believe that The Guardian will find within itself the powers to liberate itself from its current masters, for now, more than ever, we need in this country a brave, egalitarian critical outlet rather than yet another Zionist submissive mouthpiece.

Anne, Shlomo and Me.

And now here is the good news: it seems as if the JC/Guardian joint efforts to stop ‘The Wandering Who’ have been totally counterproductive, for according to Amazon, The Wandering Who is number 2 on the ‘Bestsellers in Religious History of Judaism’ list.

This morning, number 1 is Anne Frank’s The Diary of a Young Girl; number 2 is The Wandering Who; Number 3 is Anne Frank Again (different edition) and Number 4 is Shlomo Sand’s The Invention of the Jewish People. It is not a coincidence. As it happens, The Wandering Who is there to locate Anne Frank within the context of the phantasmic invention of the Jewish people.

By now, it should be clear to both The Guardian and the JC that their joint attempt has failed. But far more interesting is the fact that their failure is just another symptom of their growing intellectual irrelevance.

If some Jewish people still insist on regarding themselves as ‘the people of the book’, they should stop wasting their time, and they should start to engage in a dialogue with my text rather than trying to burn it. If Jews insist that I am misguided and wrong, they would be better off showing some tolerance and joining in the open debate.

I wish them luck -- but I don’t hold my breath.

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/gilad-atzmon-thank-god-for-the-jewish-chronicle.html#entry13413793
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Post by zone on Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:23 pm

at about 37 minutes Gilad discusses the formation of 'Judaism' in the Babylonian Exile.
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Re: Who is the Enemy?

Post by ada on Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:47 pm

rejected Him 1 Kings 8:7
forsaken Him 1 Kings 8:8
served strange gods 1 Kings 8:8
hast not kept the commandments of the Lord 1 Kings 13:13
forsaken the commandments of God 3 Kings 18:18
mocked the messengers of God 2 Chronicles36:16
despised God’s Word 2 Chronicles36:16
misused the prophets 2 Chronicles36:16
provoked God to wrath 2 Nehemiah 9:26
departed from God 2 Nehemiah 9:26
threw God’s law behind their backs 2 Nehemiah 9:26
killed the prophets, who admonished them earnestly to return to God 2 Nehemiah 9:26
guilty of great blasphemies 2 Nehemiah 9:26
forsaken the Lord Isaiah 65:11
forgotten His holy mountain ( the commandments from Mt. Sinai) Isaiah 65:11
didn't listen to Him Isaiah 65:11
did evil Isaiah 65:11
didn't answer Him Isaiah 65:11
chosen the things that displease God Isaiah65:11
forsake God Jeremias 2:13
made up their own religion "that holds no water" Jeremias 2:13
had not done God's work Ezekiel 20:23
cast off His laws Ezekiel 20:23
their eyes were after the idols of their fathers Ezekiel 20:23
defiled Israel with idols Ezekiel 36:16ff
profaned His Holy Name Ezekiel 36:16ff
lying pen of the scribes wrote falsehood Jeremias 8:7ff
they all dealt deceitfully Jeremias 8:10
they voided the Covenant Jeremias 31:31-32
sacrificed to idols Jeremias 44:23
not walked in His law Jeremias 44:23
disobeyed God's commandments Jeremias 44:23
disobeyed God's Law Baruch 2:10
the people of Israel will deny the Messiah Daniel 9:25ff
no truth in Israel Hosea 4:1-2
no mercy in Israel Hosea 4:1-2
no knowledge of God in Israel Hosea 4:1-2
sacrificed to Baalim and other idols Hosea 11:2
He hates their festivities, sacrifices, and songs Amos 5:20-24
covetous in all the Israelites Amos 9:1
departed from the Law Malachi 2:8-12
made void the Covenant Malachi 2:8-12
not kept God's ways Malachi 2:8-12
despised their brothers Malachi 2:8-12
committed abominations Malachi 2:8-12
profaned the holiness of the Lord Malachi 2:8-12
married the daughter of strange gods Malachi 2:8-12


accused by Moses John 5:45-47
adversaries to all men I Thessalonians 2:14
agents of the devil John 8:44
blind Matthew 23:26
blind guides Matthew 23:16, 17, 19, 24
children of Hell Matthew 23:15
children of the devil John 8:44
crucifiers Matthew 23:34
dangerous leaven Matthew 16:6-12; Mark 8:15; Luke 12:1
defectors Matthew 15:6; Mark 7:9, 13; John 5:45, 46, 47
deicides I Thessalonians 2:14-15
dogs Matthew 7:6; Revelation 22:16
foolish Matthew 23:17
full of dead men's bones Matthew 23:27
haters of God John 15:24,25
hypocrites Matthew 6:2, 5; 15:7; 22:18; 23:13, 14, 15, 23, 25, 27, 28, 29; Mark 7:6; Luke 13:15
idolaters Revelation 22:16
iniquitous Matthew 23:28
killers of the just Matthew 23:35
killers of the prophets Matthew 23:37; I Thessalonians 2:14-15
liars John 8:44, 55; Revelation 3:9, 22:16
murderers Matthew 23:31; Revelation 22:15
offspring of vipers Luke 3:7
purveyors of fables Titus 1:13-14
serpents Matthew 23:33
sorcerers Revelation 22:16
swine Matthew 7:6
synagogue of Satan Revelation 2:9, 3:9
unchaste Revelation 22:16
unclean Matthew 23:25
vipers Matthew 3:7; 12:34; 23:33
void the commandments of God for the traditions of men Mark 7:8-9
whited sepulchers Matthew 23:27

axe laid to the root Matthew 3:10
cast into the fire Matthew 3:10; 7:19; Luke 3:9
condemned Mark 16:16
cut down Matthew 3:10
in vain do they worship me Matthew 15:9; Mark 7:7
judgment of Hell Matthew 23:33
shall be broken Matthew 21:44
shall be ground into powder Matthew 21:44
the kingdom of God shall be taken from you Matthew 21:43
woe Matthew 23:13, 14, 15, 16, 23, 25, 27; Luke 11:42, 46, 47, 52
wrath Matthew 3:7; Luke 3:7; 21:23; St. Paul in I Thessalonians 2:16
you do not enter the kingdom of Heaven Matthew 23:13
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Re: Who is the Enemy?

Post by Strangelove on Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:11 pm

Plagerism now?

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1190260/pg1

Whats your point exactly? That your justified in your hatred of all jews? Even those who simply call themselves 'jew' and have nothing to do with those scriptures? They arn't even jews!

Hatred is never justified ada. Hope you one day see that.

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