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Re: Oscar?

Post by zone on Wed May 02, 2012 9:21 pm

oscarkipling wrote:

Right, obviously they are deadly chemicals (barium, chiral sodium, rubidium titinate), but the real question is: what is it about these chemicals when suspended in microscopic ice crystals that causes them to create these patters, and how does that relate to their usefulness photonic interaction surfaces? do they create pseudo-polymers that eventually pecipitate out of the atmosphere...why is that important? i bet none of you know.

lol!

silly man.
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Re: Oscar?

Post by oscarkipling on Wed May 02, 2012 9:23 pm

zone wrote:

well, i could waste some more time getting the posts where you denied it.
but let's move on.

course you're not sorry. no need to be. you didn't deceive me.
no harm done at all.

so.....maybe we should work on your profile if you want.
you could consider a personal story that actually admits to a background in something...wicca maybe...drugs, army.
something. it would be a little more believeable.

anyways...i read all your forum posts last night.

let's play ball oscar.

its not possible to read all of my forum posts, as about 1/3 of them were deleted a few years ago, but i'm sure you read a significant portion. Anyway I didnt lie about not being wiccan, or any other occult affiliations, I dont believe in any of that junk. as far as the other stuff goes, I'd rather keep it to myself as it doesn't matter now that everything else is out in the open.
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Post by oscarkipling on Wed May 02, 2012 9:26 pm

zone wrote:

lol!

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Post by zone on Wed May 02, 2012 9:30 pm

oscarkipling wrote:

its not possible to read all of my forum posts, as about 1/3 of them were deleted a few years ago, but i'm sure you read a significant portion. Anyway I didnt lie about not being wiccan, or any other occult affiliations, I dont believe in any of that junk. as far as the other stuff goes, I'd rather keep it to myself as it doesn't matter now that everything else is out in the open.

what rubbish.

you fool.
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Re: Oscar?

Post by zone on Wed May 02, 2012 9:35 pm

oscarkipling wrote:

it would have been impressive if you had my email address.

oh i do dear.
i know who you are.
we all do.
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Re: Oscar?

Post by oscarkipling on Wed May 02, 2012 9:45 pm

zone wrote:

oh i do dear.
i know who you are.
we all do.

I have a genuine soft spot fore you zone, you are something almost but not quite, tonnes of potential, however your biggest problem is your gullibility....and its recursive, so i dont think you'll ever really escape it. Anyway, you know me like you know cosmology, or evolution, or the slinking cat behind the lilacs of your mind.
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Post by zone on Wed May 02, 2012 10:58 pm

ok oscar.
i deleted the over-the-top rant.
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Post by Strangelove on Thu May 03, 2012 6:08 am

oscarkipling wrote:I have a genuine soft spot fore you zone, you are something almost but not quite, tonnes of potential, however your biggest problem is your gullibility....and its recursive, so i dont think you'll ever really escape it. Anyway, you know me like you know cosmology, or evolution, or the slinking cat behind the lilacs of your mind.

LOLZ! Look in the mirror dude. You just described yourself.

Talk about gullible, you think the Earth spins on its axis and hurtles thru space at twice the speed of a rifle bullet, without so much as flapping your lapel.

WHOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

You think humans evolved from monkeys. Laughing

P.S. Zone wrote her dissertation on the slinking cat so you take that back!

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Re: Oscar?

Post by unclefester on Thu May 03, 2012 10:23 am

Strangelove wrote:
LOLZ! Look in the mirror dude. You just described yourself.

Talk about gullible, you think the Earth spins on its axis and hurtles thru space at twice the speed of a rifle bullet, without so much as flapping your lapel.

WHOOOOOOOOOOSHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

You think humans evolved from monkeys. Laughing

P.S. Zone wrote her dissertation on the slinking cat so you take that back!

My thoughts exactly ... with one exception. I'm thinking here that maybe Oscar did evolve from monkeys Basketball
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Post by zone on Thu May 03, 2012 12:42 pm

oscarkipling wrote:

I have a genuine soft spot fore you zone, you are something almost but not quite, tonnes of potential, however your biggest problem is your gullibility....and its recursive, so i dont think you'll ever really escape it. Anyway, you know me like you know cosmology, or evolution, or the slinking cat behind the lilacs of your mind.

thank you for the little glimpse of humanity oscar, however much learned behavior it is, you've done remarkably well.

there's a gulf between people like you and people like us oscar. but you've known that since you were a little boy.

empathy can be mimicked, but those without it are recognized eventually. that's when they slip away.

in any case, i do thank you for carrying on with us long enough to give me exactly what i was after. you won't understand what that means of course. and unfortunately we're on opposing sides so there are some things neither of us offer freely.

stick around if you like....your input is fascinating.

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Re: Oscar?

Post by zone on Thu May 03, 2012 2:48 pm

Strangelove wrote:
P.S. Zone wrote her dissertation on the slinking cat so you take that back!

its okay Doc. (but thanks for the nod toward my slinking cat paper - never did care for that genre).

i reckon us Christians are just ignerint hillbillies.

and because it appears to the others that we're on the losing end, that's their proof that they are more highly evolved.

Sad i do feel sorry for their children though. not much chance for them to be anything else.
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Re: Oscar?

Post by oscarkipling on Thu May 03, 2012 3:10 pm

zone wrote:

thank you for the little glimpse of humanity oscar, however much learned behavior it is, you've done remarkably well.

there's a gulf between people like you and people like us oscar. but you've known that since you were a little boy.

empathy can be mimicked, but those without it are recognized eventually. that's when they slip away.

in any case, i do thank you for carrying on with us long enough to give me exactly what i was after. you won't understand what that means of course. and unfortunately we're on opposing sides so there are some things neither of us offer freely.

stick around if you like....your input is fascinating.

(how's Baltimore today?)


you do realize I was just trolling you yesterday right?
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Post by zone on Thu May 03, 2012 3:13 pm

oscarkipling wrote:
you do realize I was just trolling you yesterday right?

Oh! Sylph amid the shrubberies of Arnheim!

are you going to enlighten us on chemtrails and other delights oscar?
or not?
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Post by oscarkipling on Thu May 03, 2012 3:34 pm

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Oh! Sylph amid the shrubberies of Arnheim!

are you going to enlighten us on chemtrails and other delights oscar?
or not?

I dont know any more about chem-trails than you do, at least not about their supposed purpose and composition, and deployment. I honestly dont think they exist, I think that water you are seeing is water vapor with some carbon dioxide and maybe a little bit of complex hydrocarbons. I apologized yesterday for trolling you, it was immature, but everything I've seen about chem-trails could be explained by vapor and wind, save maybe the claims that they precipitate out of the atmosphere in appreciable amounts, leaving significant amounts of barium, sodium and or rubidium titanate. I knew just enough about it to mess with you, which was wrong of me.
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Post by zone on Thu May 03, 2012 3:54 pm

oscarkipling wrote:I honestly dont think they exist.

okay.
you have a nice day, then.


LOL!lol!
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Re: Oscar?

Post by zone on Thu May 03, 2012 6:31 pm

oscar is this guy a conspiracy nutjob or what? geez! haha

deathrays? oh brother...


(no, not osama bin laden: the other guy)


...a system that would seriously impair the brain performance of very large populations...

In addition... future developments may well include automated or manned space warships, deep-sea installations, chemical and biological weapons, death rays, and still other forms of warfare--even the weather may be tampered with....

...In addition, it may be possible--and tempting--to exploit for strategic-political purposes the fruits of research on the brain and on human behavior. Gordon J. F. MacDonald, a geophysicist specializing in problems of warfare, has written that timed artificially excited electronic strokes could lead to a pattern of oscillations that produce relatively high power levels over certain regions of the earth.... In this way, one could develop a system that would seriously impair the brain performance of very large populations in selected regions over an extended period.... No matter how deeply disturbing the thought of using the environment to manipulate behavior for national advantages to some, the technology permitting such use will very probably develop within the next few decades....

...techniques for conducting secret warfare...

...As one specialist noted, 'By the year 2018, technology will make available to the leaders of the major nations, a variety of techniques for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum of the security forces need be appraised. One nation may attack a competitor covertly by bacteriological means, thoroughly weakening the population (though with a minimum of fatalities) before taking over with its own armed forces. Alternatively, techniques of weather modification could be employed to produce prolonged periods of drought or storm....(Gordon J. F. MacDonald, "Space," in Toward the year 2018, p.34).

Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values.

Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen....

The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities.


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Post by Strangelove on Thu May 03, 2012 6:38 pm

Lucky old Zbig is a complete fringe loon with no political influence eh?

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Awww forget it oscar.

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Re: Oscar?

Post by oscarkipling on Thu May 03, 2012 6:45 pm

Strangelove wrote:Lucky old Zbig is a complete fringe loon with no political influence eh?

Zbigniew Brzezinski

Awww forget it oscar.

forget it indeed.
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Post by Strangelove on Thu May 03, 2012 7:07 pm

oscarkipling wrote:forget it indeed.

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Oscar?

Post by zone on Thu May 03, 2012 9:45 pm

oscarkipling wrote:And that's just half the battle, the other half is positive evidence that the trails .....consist of a chemical spray. show me something like that, that is cohierent, that ssint just bald assertions and then i'll admit that you have a reasonable evidentiary standard....until then i stand by my statement that its flimsy and unconvincing.


Chronic barium intoxication disrupts sulphated proteoglycan synthesis: a hypothesis for the origins of multiple sclerosis.
Purdey M.
SourceHigh Barn Farm, Elworthy, Taunton, Somerset TA43PX, UK. tsepurdey@aol.com

Abstract
High level
contamination by natural and industrial sources of the alkali earth metal, barium (Ba) has been identified in the ecosystems/workplaces that are associated with high incidence clustering of multiple sclerosis (MS) and other neurodegenerative diseases such as the transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (TSEs) and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS). Analyses of ecosystems supporting the most renowned MS clusters in Saskatchewan, Sardinia, Massachusetts, Colorado, Guam, NE Scotland demonstrated consistently elevated levels of Ba in soils (mean: 1428 ppm) and vegetation (mean: 74 ppm) in relation to mean levels of 345 and 19 ppm recorded in MS-free regions adjoining.

The high levels of Ba stemmed from local quarrying for Ba ores and/or use of Ba in paper/foundry/welding/textile/oil and gas well related industries, as well as from the use of Ba as an atmospheric aerosol spray for enhancing/refracting the signalling of radio/radar waves along military jet flight paths, missile test ranges, etc.

It is proposed that chronic contamination of the biosystem with the reactive types of Ba salts can initiate the pathogenesis of MS; due to the conjugation of Ba with free sulphate, which subsequently deprives the endogenous sulphated proteoglycan molecules (heparan sulfates) of their sulphate co partner, thereby disrupting synthesis of S-proteoglycans and their crucial role in the fibroblast growth factor (FGF) signalling which induces oligodendrocyte progenitors to maintain the growth and structural integrity of the myelin sheath. Loss of S-proteoglycan activity explains other key facets of MS pathogenesis; such as the aggregation of platelets and the proliferation of superoxide generated oxidative stress. Ba intoxications disturb the sodium-potassium ion pump--another key feature of the MS profile. The co-clustering of various neurodegenerative diseases in these Ba-contaminated ecosystems suggests that the pathogenesis of all of these diseases could pivot upon a common disruption of the sulphated proteoglycan-growth factor mediated signalling systems. Individual genetics dictates which specific disease emerges at the end of the day.

US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15082100

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does this meet your standards oscar?
confirmation from the gubment? (i have LOTS more)

just a ya or no at this point would be reasonable.
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Post by zone on Thu May 03, 2012 9:54 pm

here's another one! (surprise surprise....there are tonnes < british spelling)


Elevated silver, barium and strontium in antlers, vegetation and soils sourced from CWD cluster areas: do Ag/Ba/Sr piezoelectric crystals represent the transmissible pathogenic agent in TSEs?
Purdey M.
SourceHigh Barn Farm, Elworthy, Taunton, Somerset TA4 3PX, UK. tsepurdey@aol.com

Abstract
High levels of
Silver (Ag), Barium (Ba) and Strontium (Sr) and low levels of copper (Cu) have been measured in the antlers, soils and pastures of the deer that are thriving in the chronic wasting disease (CWD) cluster zones in North America in relation to the areas where CWD and other transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (TSEs) have not been reported.

The elevations of Ag, Ba and Sr were thought to originate from both natural geochemical and artificial pollutant sources--stemming from the common practise of aerial spraying with 'cloud seeding' Ag or Ba crystal nuclei for rain making in these drought prone areas of North America, the atmospheric spraying with Ba based aerosols for enhancing/refracting radar and radio signal communications as well as the spreading of waste Ba drilling mud from the local oil/gas well industry across pastureland.

These metals have subsequently bioconcentrated up the foodchain and into the mammals who are dependent upon the local Cu deficient ecosystems. A dual eco-prerequisite theory is proposed on the aetiology of TSEs which is based upon an Ag, Ba, Sr or Mn replacement binding at the vacant Cu/Zn domains on the cellular prion protein (PrP)/sulphated proteoglycan molecules which impairs the capacities of the brain to protect itself against incoming shockbursts of sound and light energy. !!!!!!!

Ag/Ba/Sr chelation of free sulphur within the biosystem inhibits the viable synthesis of the sulphur dependent proteoglycans, which results in the overall collapse of the Cu mediated conduction of electric signals along the PrP-proteoglycan signalling pathways; ultimately disrupting GABA type inhibitory currents at the synapses/end plates of the auditory/circadian regulated circuitry, as well as disrupting proteoglycan co-regulation of the growth factor signalling systems which maintain the structural integrity of the nervous system. The resulting Ag, Ba, Sr or Mn based compounds seed piezoelectric crystals which incorporate PrP and ferritin into their structure. These ferrimagnetically ordered crystals multireplicate and choke up the PrP-proteoglycan conduits of electrical conduction throughout the CNS.

The second stage of pathogenesis comes into play when the pressure energy from incoming shock bursts of low frequency acoustic waves from low fly jets, explosions, earthquakes, etc. (a key eco-characteristic of TSE cluster environments) are absorbed by the rogue 'piezoelectric' crystals, which duly convert the mechanical pressure energy into an electrical energy which accumulates in the crystal-PrP-ferritin aggregates (the fibrils) until a point of 'saturation polarization' is reached.

Magnetic fields are generated on the crystal surface, which initiate chain reactions of deleterious free radical mediated spongiform neurodegeneration in surrounding tissues.

Since Ag, Ba, Sr or Mn based piezoelectric crystals are heat resistant and carry a magnetic field inducing pathogenic capacity, it is proposed that these ferroelectric crystal pollutants represent the transmissible, pathogenic agents that initiate TSE.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15236778

...

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

what do you make of it oscar?
is it enough to have you admit theres reasonable evidence for chemtrailing and haarp and stuff? and that it is poisoning our FOOD (like you said it WASN'T)?

do you believe the perps don't know this?

like....its right there, right?

aerial spraying with 'cloud seeding' Ag or Ba crystal nuclei for rain making in these drought prone areas of North America, the atmospheric spraying with Ba based aerosols for enhancing/refracting radar and radio signal
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Post by oscarkipling on Sat May 05, 2012 6:50 pm

zone wrote:


Chronic barium intoxication disrupts sulphated proteoglycan synthesis: a hypothesis for the origins of multiple sclerosis.
Purdey M.
SourceHigh Barn Farm, Elworthy, Taunton, Somerset TA43PX, UK. tsepurdey@aol.com

Abstract
High level
contamination by natural and industrial sources of the alkali earth metal, barium (Ba) has been identified in the ecosystems/workplaces that are associated with high incidence clustering of multiple sclerosis (MS) and other neurodegenerative diseases such as the transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (TSEs) and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS). Analyses of ecosystems supporting the most renowned MS clusters in Saskatchewan, Sardinia, Massachusetts, Colorado, Guam, NE Scotland demonstrated consistently elevated levels of Ba in soils (mean: 1428 ppm) and vegetation (mean: 74 ppm) in relation to mean levels of 345 and 19 ppm recorded in MS-free regions adjoining.

The high levels of Ba stemmed from local quarrying for Ba ores and/or use of Ba in paper/foundry/welding/textile/oil and gas well related industries, as well as from the use of Ba as an atmospheric aerosol spray for enhancing/refracting the signalling of radio/radar waves along military jet flight paths, missile test ranges, etc.

It is proposed that chronic contamination of the biosystem with the reactive types of Ba salts can initiate the pathogenesis of MS; due to the conjugation of Ba with free sulphate, which subsequently deprives the endogenous sulphated proteoglycan molecules (heparan sulfates) of their sulphate co partner, thereby disrupting synthesis of S-proteoglycans and their crucial role in the fibroblast growth factor (FGF) signalling which induces oligodendrocyte progenitors to maintain the growth and structural integrity of the myelin sheath. Loss of S-proteoglycan activity explains other key facets of MS pathogenesis; such as the aggregation of platelets and the proliferation of superoxide generated oxidative stress. Ba intoxications disturb the sodium-potassium ion pump--another key feature of the MS profile. The co-clustering of various neurodegenerative diseases in these Ba-contaminated ecosystems suggests that the pathogenesis of all of these diseases could pivot upon a common disruption of the sulphated proteoglycan-growth factor mediated signalling systems. Individual genetics dictates which specific disease emerges at the end of the day.

US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15082100

....


does this meet your standards oscar?
confirmation from the gubment? (i have LOTS more)

just a ya or no at this point would be reasonable.


I dont understand how this is confirmation by the government? This paper was not produced, funded or published published by any government. This is a paper was authored by Mark Purdey, and published in the non-peer reviewed journal "Medical Hypothesis". Pubmed is a government database of medical journals and texts, like the library of congress is a government operated and maintained archive. Simply being in the library of congress, or PubMed is not an explicit or implicit endorsement of the content by the government. So, to claim that this is government support for his or your claims is simply wrong. Now having said that, the claim that aerosolized barium is used in military radar/radio tests was interesting enough for me to go see if I could find some info on such tests. Sure enough i was able to find several papers that concern ionosphere barium releases, I have yet to read them all but its enough to confirm that there have been at least some releases of barium in the atmosphere (ionosphere). So, while I cannot say that at this point the claims that the pictures are anything more than contrails, it looks like its feasible that there could be some aircraft releasing barium into the atmosphere, but of course i'm going to read these papers first before i come to any conclusions.
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Post by Strangelove on Sat May 05, 2012 7:03 pm

LOLZ!

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Post by Strangelove on Sat May 05, 2012 7:05 pm


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Post by oscarkipling on Sat May 05, 2012 7:28 pm

zone wrote:here's another one! (surprise surprise....there are tonnes < british spelling)


Elevated silver, barium and strontium in antlers, vegetation and soils sourced from CWD cluster areas: do Ag/Ba/Sr piezoelectric crystals represent the transmissible pathogenic agent in TSEs?
Purdey M.
SourceHigh Barn Farm, Elworthy, Taunton, Somerset TA4 3PX, UK. tsepurdey@aol.com

Abstract
High levels of
Silver (Ag), Barium (Ba) and Strontium (Sr) and low levels of copper (Cu) have been measured in the antlers, soils and pastures of the deer that are thriving in the chronic wasting disease (CWD) cluster zones in North America in relation to the areas where CWD and other transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (TSEs) have not been reported.

The elevations of Ag, Ba and Sr were thought to originate from both natural geochemical and artificial pollutant sources--stemming from the common practise of aerial spraying with 'cloud seeding' Ag or Ba crystal nuclei for rain making in these drought prone areas of North America, the atmospheric spraying with Ba based aerosols for enhancing/refracting radar and radio signal communications as well as the spreading of waste Ba drilling mud from the local oil/gas well industry across pastureland.

These metals have subsequently bioconcentrated up the foodchain and into the mammals who are dependent upon the local Cu deficient ecosystems. A dual eco-prerequisite theory is proposed on the aetiology of TSEs which is based upon an Ag, Ba, Sr or Mn replacement binding at the vacant Cu/Zn domains on the cellular prion protein (PrP)/sulphated proteoglycan molecules which impairs the capacities of the brain to protect itself against incoming shockbursts of sound and light energy. !!!!!!!

Ag/Ba/Sr chelation of free sulphur within the biosystem inhibits the viable synthesis of the sulphur dependent proteoglycans, which results in the overall collapse of the Cu mediated conduction of electric signals along the PrP-proteoglycan signalling pathways; ultimately disrupting GABA type inhibitory currents at the synapses/end plates of the auditory/circadian regulated circuitry, as well as disrupting proteoglycan co-regulation of the growth factor signalling systems which maintain the structural integrity of the nervous system. The resulting Ag, Ba, Sr or Mn based compounds seed piezoelectric crystals which incorporate PrP and ferritin into their structure. These ferrimagnetically ordered crystals multireplicate and choke up the PrP-proteoglycan conduits of electrical conduction throughout the CNS.

The second stage of pathogenesis comes into play when the pressure energy from incoming shock bursts of low frequency acoustic waves from low fly jets, explosions, earthquakes, etc. (a key eco-characteristic of TSE cluster environments) are absorbed by the rogue 'piezoelectric' crystals, which duly convert the mechanical pressure energy into an electrical energy which accumulates in the crystal-PrP-ferritin aggregates (the fibrils) until a point of 'saturation polarization' is reached.

Magnetic fields are generated on the crystal surface, which initiate chain reactions of deleterious free radical mediated spongiform neurodegeneration in surrounding tissues.

Since Ag, Ba, Sr or Mn based piezoelectric crystals are heat resistant and carry a magnetic field inducing pathogenic capacity, it is proposed that these ferroelectric crystal pollutants represent the transmissible, pathogenic agents that initiate TSE.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15236778

...

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

what do you make of it oscar?
is it enough to have you admit theres reasonable evidence for chemtrailing and haarp and stuff? and that it is poisoning our FOOD (like you said it WASN'T)?

do you believe the perps don't know this?

like....its right there, right?

aerial spraying with 'cloud seeding' Ag or Ba crystal nuclei for rain making in these drought prone areas of North America, the atmospheric spraying with Ba based aerosols for enhancing/refracting radar and radio signal


This is another paper by the same author from the same publication who is not affiliated with the government. I didnt comment on the medical claims of either of these papers because frankly I dont know enough about these things to say whether or not his claims are substantiated, so I suppose its possible that metals could be accumulating from cloud seeding in amounts that are dangerous and causing some medical issues. Although i can say that TSE's are not idea for controlling people as they are terminal, they would kill all of the slaves, if the plan is enslavement , then its not to good, if the plan is mass murder, then sure if cloud seeding causes TSE, then maybe its a good way to go. However I am unaware of Ba being used in any "cloud seeding" technique and outside of pro "chemtrail" sites I'm unable to find any support for the idea. As far as barium releases go they seem to be for the purposes of ionosphere interactions and nit cloud seeding. Ag is used in cloud seeding along with Co2 and some other chemicals, so that much I know to be true. So I suppose the question is, does the existence of cloud seeding prove chem-trails? I would say no, because only specific types of clouds are seeded, so flying around
spraying clear cloudless skies is not cloud seeding, so we are probably talking about different phenomena. if you are simply arguing that cloud seeding could be dangerous, then yeah that seems plausible enough, it might very well be dangerous. The thing is, as far as i can tell your argument isnt about unintentional pollution caused by cloud seeding, its about spraying chemicals with the express intention of either projecting holograms, or otherwise negatively effecting humans for some nefarious purpose right?


so to be clear

I believe that Cloud seeding exists

I believe that its possible that Cloud seeding could be dangerous (although this is far from proven)

I have not seen any evidence that Cloud seeding uses any form of Ba

I do not believe that cloud seeding and chem-trailing are the same thing, as cloud seeding would not be done under the conditions that chem-trailing is allegedly done.

It is 100% true that barium was at multiple times released into the atmosphere

I believe that Haarp could have a lot to do with ionospheric barium releases as they seem to both be about that part of the atmosphere.

Barium can be toxic, but it is unclear as to whether the confirmed releases of barium are enough to cause harm (i'm trying to figure out how much would be needed now), or that they are even done with dangerous types of barium (some compounds are not toxic at all)
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So I suppose the question is, does the existence of cloud seeding prove chem-trails?

???????????

The existence of CHEMTRAILS proves chemtrails.

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Post by oscarkipling on Sat May 05, 2012 9:12 pm

Strangelove wrote:

???????????

The existence of CHEMTRAILS proves chemtrails.


I dont quite understand this, but allow me to ask a few questions.

Is it your contention that chem-trails are released by cloud seeding planes?

Is it your contention that chem-trails consist of chemicals commonly used for cloud seeding?

Is it your contention that chemicals (excluding barium as i've not seen this chemical used as a cloud seeding agent) that are commonly used for cloud seeding are dangerous to humans, and animals in the amounts that are used for cloud seeding.

Is it your contention that cloud seeding planes release cloud seeding chemicals at altitudes and in areas/situations where cloud seeding would not be effective or purposeful?

Is it your contention that cloud seeding chemicals would be useful for holographic projections?

Is it your contention that cloud seeding is a secret?

is it your contention that cloud seeding is simply a cover for the government to spray chemicals in order to control people?
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Post by Strangelove on Sun May 06, 2012 6:04 am

Is it your contention that anyone is remotely interested in your inane, boring, false dialectical crafted for the purposes of wasting our time and energy?

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Post by Strangelove on Sun May 06, 2012 6:29 am

See the playbook for oscars relativistic dialectics here:

LINK: http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/georges_metanomski01.htm

"in the human domain absolute propositions are equally absurd, but we lack an authority, a humanistic Galileo, or Einstein, to reinforce this truth. Consequently, he conceived the idea of extending the relativity principle over the entire human universe of discourse."

"As a rule, the obsolete SPECIFIC DOMAIN comes to its apogee when it is still socially, but no more intellectually ruling. All established institutions are still founded upon obsolete principles, the new domain manifests itself via a few individuals such as Copernicus, Galileo, Keppler......"

"WE LIVE CURRENTLY AMID THE EPISTEMOLOGICAL REVOLUTION.

According to our definition this means that EPISTEMOLOGY became unofficially the SPECIFIC DOMAIN of our time, that the social, scientific and technological development have revealed new aspects of existence which cannot more be grasped and investigated with help of Logic, but require some other more conform context."

"Relativistic Dialectic is an attempt to define the essentials of applied EPISTEMOLOGY and to show how it allows us to investigate and to solve problems which appear to Logic as untreatable contradictions."

untreatable contradictions
untreatable contradictions
untreatable contradictions
untreatable contradictions

LOLZ! Like all scientific evidence pointing to a stationary Earth!

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