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Post by zone on Mon May 14, 2012 2:48 pm

Hebrew Roots Movement – Salesmanship 101
Posted on April 3, 2009 by JGIG

Salesmanship 101 you say?? Whatever does that have to do with the Hebrew Roots/Messianic Movements? Let’s go through some steps that a salesperson goes through as they try to get you, the consumer, to buy what they’re selling to see how those steps parallel the persuasive methodology in the HRM:

http://joyfullygrowingingrace.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/hebrew-roots-movement-salesmanship-101/

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Re: Hebrew Roots

Post by zone on Mon May 14, 2012 2:56 pm

Questions proselytes have had have been addressed with “special knowledge” and “hidden insights” as those in the leadership and laity of the HRM rattle on about linguistics, church history, and the re-working of pivotal doctrines. Following is a glossary definition I put together to describe one method used by those in the HRM to establish superiority as they endeavor to answer questions/objections:

Hebrew-isms – Okay, I made that one up. “Hebrew-isms” is a word I’m putting here to describe how those in the Hebrew Roots Movement choose to speak and communicate matters of faith. Using the Sacred Name(s) exclusively (YHWH/Yeshua), would be one example, using the Hebrew “Ruach HaKodesh” instead of using English to refer to the Holy Spirit, another.

Leadership will also use Hebrew instead of English when referencing Bible passages from their own “translations” (see “Hebrew Roots Movement - Messin’ With the Word”) as will laity when exposed long enough to their new paradigm. The book of “Matthew” becomes “Matityahu”, “John” becomes “Jochanan”, etc. “Brit Hadashah” is a big one, which means “Renewed Covenant”, not “New Covenant”. [Great article detailing the language errors the HRM engages in to "prove" that the Covenant is "renewed" not "new" can be found HERE.] “Renewed Covenant” has the sense of going back to the Law, a renewing of the Old Covenant – not entering into the newness of life that the New Covenant brings. The vernacular of the details of the Feasts is also an element, not a bad thing in itself, as the Feasts paint a powerful picture of the reality that is in Christ.

However, all that astute language usage becomes a platform of superiority on which HRM leadership can stand upon above their “students” and on which HRM laity can stand upon above their potential “converts” as they lead them into a Hebrew Roots mindset....

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"Nazarene Judaism” rebrands Jesus Christ according to their counterfeit gospel

Post by zone on Fri May 31, 2013 9:33 am

Tuesday, May 21, 2013
"Nazarene Judaism” rebrands Jesus Christ according to their counterfeit gospel

by Michael Hoffman
www.revisionisthistory.org

Re: "Orthodox Jewish Scholar's Profound Words about Yeshua
Nazarene Space"
Nazarene Judaism blog:
http://nazarenespace.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2182335:BlogPost:204813&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_post

This current move is a cunning strategy. I have also seen it in the pagan New Age movement where "the Christ" is embraced as a divine part of a "lineage" that includes Buddha and the Dalai Lama.

Lorraine Boettner predicted this circa 1957: they will have their Talmudic paganism and new-found ‘reverence' for Jesus (the semi-divine good man).

Our Lord Himself said: "So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth" (Rev. 3:16).

Here is a nonsensical statement from this Nazarene Judaism blog:

Have the Jews really rejected Yeshua? The only "Jesus" that most Jewish people have ever been exposed to is the "Jesus" that supposedly came to "free them from the bondage of the Law". Yes, they have rejected this Torahless Jesus, and rightly so. But most of them have never been exposed to the real Yeshua. (End quote).

Jesus didn't free anyone from the Torah of Yahweh. True. He freed them from the spurious "Torah sheBeal Peh" of the man-made traditions of Babylon as encoded in the Mishnah, Gemara, Mishneh Torah, Shulchan Aruch, Tanya, Zohar etc. ad nauseum.

Notice that the "Nazarene Space" blog states that they will have their own New Testament, it will not be in Greek, but the "original languages" of Hebrew and Aramaic. Really, the New Testament was first written in Hebrew and Aramaic? Textual falsification is key to gnostic diabolism and rabbinic diabolism.

Another statement from the blog, this one dripping in racial conceit and megalomania: "The Jewish people know that an anti-Torah Messiah is no Messiah at all, they know better than to accept the rank paganism attached to Gentile Christianity."

"The Jewish people know." Observe the self-worship and the insinuation of a collective racial wisdom. Notice that "gentile Christianity" is said to be pagan with the implication that a "Jewish Christianity" will be strictly in accordance with God's Word.

This kind of buncombe is an insult to the intelligence of anyone who knows anything fundamental about Orthodox Judaism's deep paganism, beginning with self-worship, and from there to astrology, amulets, curses, the evil eye, reincarnation and the idolization of the rebbe as wonder-worker. What of the money paid by devout Judaics for people to daven (pray) at the tombs of various rabbis considered wonder workers? What of the fellatio of the child by the mohel in the Hasidic bris? What of the overwhelming superstition endemic to Chabad-Lubavitch Hasidism (and every other Hasidism)?

Orthodox Judaism in its Talmud is the religion of the soothsayers of Babylon. Read Judaism Discovered; Judaism's Strange Gods and our forthcoming book, Testing the Talmud.

The Talmud Bavli is the blueprint of bureaucracy. The Talmud is anti-Jewish because it imposes tyrannical micro-management of Judaic daily life. Jesus came to free the Jews from dead rituals prescribed by men to enslave people to the cult of man. The Torah of Jesus is found in the New Testament's fulfillment of the Old Testament. Rabbinic Judaism's ersatz “Torah" is found, to give but one instance, in the dictatorial, trivial, legalistic, mind-numbing Shabbos (Sabbath) observance concocted by Pharisees and their rabbinic heirs. Here is the letter of the halacha that kills the human spirit:

http://www.nergavriel.org/uploads/תורה%20הקדושה/הלכה%20ברורה/HB0017%20-%20Opening%20Bottles%20and%20Food%20Packages%20on%20Shabbos.pdf

Gentile Christianity, so execrated by "Nazarene Judaism," rightly fled from this template of dictatorship, out of which sprang Bolshevik Leninism and many other destructive bureaucracies.

The "Nazarene Judaism" blog quotes Judaic Prof. Daniel Boyarin as follows: "Christology, or the early ideas about Christ, is also a Jewish discourse and not–until much later–an anti-Jewish discourse at all."

Jesus, Mary and the apostles were all Jews, so where is the anti-Jewish discourse? To the extent that first century Jews rejected the clear evidence that Jesus was the Moshiach (Messiah-Christ of Israel), they bore guilt for His crucifixion. The generations bearing that guilt are long dead, having largely perished in the Roman assaults on Jerusalem in 70 and 135 A.D. Today the guilt for denying the doctrine and resurrection of the Son of God, Jesus Christ, is endemic not to people but to ideology, wherein is counseled rebellion against God; more specifically, in the continuation of the wicked ideology of the Pharisees, in the form of contemporary Orthodox Judaism.

The race-obsessed Talmudists insist on imposing their ethnic, warping prism on the religion of the New Testament and calling it "Nazarene Judaism." They even claim that Christ kept kosher! Do they mean by this that He kept his meat and dairy products separate according to the crazed fulminations of the Talmudic Chazal? See if you can find anything in favor of the insane halachos of kashrut in I Timothy 4: 1-8. These "Nazarene" Judaics must derogate or falsify the Apostle Paul in order to proceed with their counterfeit gospel.

"The Spirit has explicitly said that during the last times there will be some who will desert the faith and choose to listen to deceitful spirits and doctrines that come from devils."

Beware.
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Re: Hebrew Roots

Post by zone on Fri May 09, 2014 4:22 pm

Chris Rosebrough: The Hebrew Roots Movement
August 1, 2013

Chris Rosebrough is the host of “Fighting for the Faith” on Pirate Christian Radio. For this episode, he joins me to discuss the Hebrew Roots Movement, a growing group that seeks to bring believers back into subjection to the Law of Moses in the Torah. Chris explains what they believe, how they relate to Orthodox (Pharisaical) Judaism, and warning signs your friends or loved ones may be caught in the movement. 

(Duration: 1:08:10 — 23.5MB) audio/podcast
Outline of the Discussion...
http://www.echozoe.com/archives/2645

from ECHO ZOE 

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coming up





SHOULD CHRISTIANS KEEP THE SABBATH?

Jim Staley debates Chris Rosebrough
On May 10th, at 5:30pm (CST), two Christian pastors will share the stage to debate a profound biblical question: Should Christians keep the Sabbath? Each man will present his case and then have an opportunity for rebuttal. This event will be in front of a live audience at Passion for Truth Fellowship. Moreover, we will be Live Streaming the debate at passionfortruth.com. You do NOT want to miss this!
http://mypft.com/events/sabbathdebate/

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note from zone: the 2013 interview is interesting, nothing we don't know. unfortunately, Chris is a teeny bit ill-informed on a few things. for starters, he says he learned about Pharisaical Judaism from a Karaite. oopsie.

hopefully he has updated his understanding of the depths of the HR deception for this weekend's debate with nutyy Jim Staley (who claims direct revelation from God btw - so who is gonna argue with that? hmmm?).

ironically in the 2013 interview, they touch on the "similarity" between orthodox judaism and rome (re: traditions).....cough cough.....black nobility farao 


anyway, the owner of this site has a TON of really good stuff. not only what the HR movement is, but the actual meat of the REMEDY for all the false teachings (this article was cited as a source at the  ECHO ZOE site for the 2013 discussion.

Joyfully Growing In Grace 
http://joyfullygrowingingrace.wordpress.com/how-i-became-aware-of-the-hebrew-roots-movement/

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Re: Hebrew Roots

Post by Grandpa on Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:11 pm

One of my "favorite" subjects.

I lump the SDA in with these guys as their arguments, points of view, and error seem to stem from the same place...

The incorrect thought that the Lord Jesus Christ has not fulfilled all aspects of the law.  The incorrect thought that we are still bound to some, or all of the law written on stone.

The incorrect theory that places christians back under the law, to work at it in their flesh and will, just like judaism.

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Post by zone on Fri Jun 20, 2014 4:50 pm

hi gramps....ya. i know. the increasingly most common sects are, imo, not christian at all.
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Re: Hebrew Roots

Post by Grandpa on Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:26 pm

Love you and miss you too zone.

Like usual I totally agree with you.

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Post by Angela53510 on Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:06 am

I sure have been missing you Zone, too! Good to finally get to read and post here. I hope you are feeling better these days.  Hugs!
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