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Post by zone on Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:13 am

http://www.prca.org/articles/amillennialism.html
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Re: Amillennialism

Post by zone on Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:59 am

What's a thousand years among friends?

This is part of the Westminster Conference Series. Dr. Kim Riddlebarger is author of many books including books on Amillennialism. We were honored to have Dr. Riddlebarger visit with us and lecture for a weekend long series on Reformed Ammillennialsim.

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=7120617344

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Re: Amillennialism

Post by endofallfears on Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:10 pm

The view of Ammillennialsim was not held by the church following the writing of the New Testament for several hundred years.

Justin Martyr: "The man of apstasy [Antichrist]...shall venture to do unlawful deeds on the earth against us the Christian." (Trypho, cx)

The Pastor (Shepherd) of Hermas: "Happy ye who endure the great tribulation that is coming." (Pastor of Hermas, Vision Second)

"Those, therefore, who continue steadfast, and are put through the fire, will be purified by means of it...Wherefore cease not speaking these things into the ears of the saints. This then is the type of the great tribulation that is yet to come. (Pastor of Hermas, Vision Fourth)

Barnabas: "The final stumbling-block approaches, concerning which it is written, as Enoch says, 'For this end the Lord has cut short the times and the days, that His Beloved may hasten; and He will come to the inheritance.' And the prophet also speaks thus: "Ten kingdoms shall reign upon the earth, and a little king shall rise up after them, who shall subdue under one three of the kings. "...Take heed, lest resting at our ease, as those who are called [of God], we should fall asleep in our sins, and the wicked prince, acquiring power over us, should thrust us away from the kingdom of the Lord." (The Epistle of Barnabas, chapter iv)

Irenaeus: "And they [the ten kings]...shall give their kingdom to the beast, and put the Church to flight." (Against Heresies, V, 26,1)

"But [John] indicates the number of the name [antichrist, 666] now, that when this man comes we may avoid him, being aware who he is." (Against Heresies, V, 30, 4)

Hippolytus: "Now concernig the tribulation of the persecution which is to fall upon the Church from the adversary...That refers to the one thousand two hundred and threescore days [the half of the week] during which the tyrant s to reign and persecute the Church." (Treatise on Christ and Antichrist, pp. 60,61)

Tertullian: "That the beast Antichrist with his false prophet may wage war on the Church of God...Since, then, the Scriptures both indicatet the staes of the last times, and concentrate the harvest of the Christian hope in the very end of the world." (On The Resurrection of the Flesh, xxv; cf. Scoriace, xii)

Just to list a few of the early church fathers. Origen, and also Augustine, tended to allegorize scripture which seems to be the basis of Ammillennialsim. As a hermeneutic, it causes problems in that causes us to lose the historical importance of Scripture, and debate if any of the things we read in Scripture actually happened.
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Re: Amillennialism

Post by zone on Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:20 am

hi endof.
thank you!

that all may be so....but i don't allegorgize the coming trib: i can see it taking shape.

if the 'reformers' choose to stick to their guns re: the son of perdition being papacy, or just "man", that's fine. i see things a little differently.

not totally familiar with all variations of amill out there, but i'm not accepting any preterist models; nor any all "yet furture" models.

what i'm determining by looking at Scripture is that the Second Advent brings JUST the Day of Judgment, and the New Heavens and New Earth - no GAPS.

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Re: Amillennialism

Post by zone on Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:04 am

also: the Creeds all make it clear.

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth.
And in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
and born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died and was buried.
He descended into hell.
On the third day He rose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty.
From thence He will come to judge the living and the dead.
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Re: Amillennialism

Post by Strangelove on Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:59 am

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Re: Amillennialism

Post by Strangelove on Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:57 pm

(John 12:31) Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

Support for the binding of Satan?

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Post by Strangelove on Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:05 pm

And here:

(Matthew 12:28) But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
(Matthew 12:29) Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
(Matthew 12:30) He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

(Colossians 1:12) Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
(Colossians 1:13) Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:


Some more evidence that Christ and the Gospel have bound Satan?

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just who will be reigning from Jerusalem?

Post by zone on Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:17 pm

Judaism's view of Jesus
Jews have traditionally seen Jesus as one of a number of false messiahs who have appeared throughout history.[1] Jesus is viewed as having been the most influential, and consequently the most damaging, of all false messiahs.[2] However, since the general Jewish belief is that the Messiah has not yet come and that the Messianic Age is not yet present, the total rejection of Jesus as either messiah or deity in Judaism has never been a central issue for Judaism. At the heart of Judaism are the Torah, its commandments, the Tanakh, and ethical monotheism such as in the Shema — all of which predated Jesus.

Judaism has never accepted any of the claimed fulfillments of prophecy that Christianity attributes to Jesus. Judaism also forbids the worship of a person as a form of idolatry, since the central belief of Judaism is the absolute unity and singularity of God.[3][4]

Jewish eschatology holds that the coming of the Messiah will be associated with a specific series of events that have not yet occurred, including the return of Jews to their homeland and the rebuilding of The Temple, a Messianic Age of peace[5] and understanding during which "the knowledge of God" fills the earth,[6] and since Judaism holds that none of these events occurred during the lifetime of Jesus (nor have they occurred afterwards), he is not a candidate for messiah.

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Re: Amillennialism

Post by Strangelove on Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:15 pm

Hi Chingy...

I noticed you are a pre-tribber...

Ever tried amillenialism out for a ride?

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Re: Amillennialism

Post by MUSKOKAMAN on Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:15 am

Then what's messianic Judaism?

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Re: Amillennialism

Post by zone on Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:30 pm

a cult for the most part.

judaism and christianity are not compatible. if peeps are talking about Torah (moses & prophets) and Jesus the King of the Jews, fine. but why?

its always been called christianity, and we are not going backwards.
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Re: Amillennialism

Post by Strangelove on Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:58 pm

MUSKOKAMAN wrote:Then what's messianic Judaism?

Mainly law keeping professed Christians that have no answer to Galatians 4:21-31. Very Happy

Possibly crypto jews (judaizers) who join Christian forums to waste our time.

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Post by MUSKOKAMAN on Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:58 pm

Galatians 4:21-30 is about verifying all Jews as well as Gentiles as descendants of Abraham yet at the same time giving creedence to the Jews as the chosen race as that is from whom earthly Jesus is descended from (Mary is also a direct descendant of David therefore of Abraham as well)

Does it not say that all peoples shall be blessed in Abraham?

Genesis 18:18
Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

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Post by Strangelove on Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:37 am

MUSKOKAMAN wrote:Galatians 4:21-30 is about verifying all Jews as well as Gentiles as descendants of Abraham yet at the same time giving creedence to the Jews as the chosen race as that is from whom earthly Jesus is descended from (Mary is also a direct descendant of David therefore of Abraham as well)

Does it not say that all peoples shall be blessed in Abraham?

Genesis 18:18
Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

The passages seem to be mainly about 2 COVENANTS.

I dont really see where creedence to the jews comes into it?

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Re: Amillennialism

Post by zone on Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:43 pm

Paul clearly states its an allegory about 2 COVENANTS.

anyone claiming to be a jew, claiming to be within the Sinai Covenant Paul made clear will be cast out. it couldn't be simpler.

what Judaism today is, is not even Moses.

be born again and press into the New Covenant, the church, the Israel of God or perish is what it says.

no provision made for anyone outside Jesus. at all.

and Paul wrote that 2000 years ago.
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Re: Amillennialism

Post by Strangelove on Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:29 pm

But not only did Satan stupefy the senses of mankind, so that with their bodies they buried the
remembrance of the resurrection; but he also managed by various fictions so to corrupt this branch
of doctrine that it at length was lost. Not to mention that even in the days of Paul he began to assail
it (1 Cor. 15), shortly after the Chiliasts arose, who limited the reign of Christ to a thousand
years. This fiction is too puerile to need or to deserve refutation.
Nor do they receive any countenance
from the Apocalypse, from which it is known that they extracted a gloss for their error (Rev. 20:4),
since the thousand years there mentioned refer not to the eternal blessedness of the Church, but
only to the various troubles which await the Church militant in this world. The whole Scripture
proclaims that there will be no end either to the happiness of the elect, or the punishment of the
reprobate. Moreover, in regard to all things which lie beyond our sight, and far transcend the reach
of our intellect, belief must either be founded on the sure oracles of God, or altogether renounced.
Those who assign only a thousand years to the children of God to enjoy the inheritance of future
life, observe not how great an insult they offer to Christ and his kingdom. 509 If they are not to be
clothed with immortality, then Christ himself, into whose glory they shall be transformed, has not
been received into immortal glory; if their blessedness is to have an end, the kingdom of Christ,
on whose solid structure it rests, is temporary. In short, they are either most ignorant of all divine
things or they maliciously aim at subverting the whole grace of God and power of Christ, which cannot have their full effects unless sin is obliterated, death swallowed up, and eternal life fully
renewed. How stupid and frivolous their fear that too much severity will be ascribed to God, if the
reprobate are doomed to eternal punishment, even the blind may see. The Lord, forsooth, will be
unjust if he exclude from his kingdom those who, by their ingratitude shall have rendered themselves
unworthy of it. But their sins are temporary (see Bernard, Epist. 254). I admit it; but then the majesty
of God, and also the justice which they have violated by their sins, are eternal. Justly, therefore,
the memory of their iniquity does not perish. But in this way the punishment will exceed the measure
of the fault. It is intolerable blasphemy to hold the majesty of God in so little estimation, as not to
regard the contempt of it as of greater consequence than the destruction of a single soul. But let us
have done with these triflers, that we may not seem (contrary to what we first observed) to think
their dreams deserving of refutation.


- John Calvin (The Institutes of the Christian Religion pg 611)

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