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Re: Talmudism

Post by Strangelove on Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:09 pm

within Judaism: "...amulets and protective charms can be found side by side with the invocation of demons, incantations...and even sexual magic and necromancy...As early as the geonic period the title ba'al shem or 'master of the name' signified a master of practical Kabbalah who was an expert at issuing amulets for various
purposes, invoking angels or devils..."


- Gershom Scholem, "Kabbalah" [op. cit.], p. 184.

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Post by Strangelove on Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:13 pm

"...the reader must become accustomed to regarding biblical language in a kabbalistically symbolic way. The Kabbalists taught that the Torah...is a vast body of symbols...The simple meaning of biblical language recedes into the background as symbolic discourse assumes control. The true meaning of Scripture becomes manifest only when it is read with the proper (sefirotic) code. "Thus the Torah must not be read on the simple or obvious level of meaning; it must be read with the knowledge of a kabbalist who possesses the hermeneutical keys with which to unlock its inner truths."

- Lawrence Fine, "Kabbalistic Texts," Back to the Sources: Reading the Classic Jewish Texts [op. cit.], p. 337.


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Re: Talmudism

Post by Strangelove on Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:22 pm

(Leviticus 19:31) Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.

(Leviticus 20:6) And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

(Deuteronomy 18:10-11) There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

(Psalms 5:4-5) For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee. The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.



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Re: Talmudism

Post by Strangelove on Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:31 pm

"Rabbi Hanina and Rabbi Oshaia spent every Sabbath eve in studying the 'Book of Creation' by means of which they created a third-grown calf and ate it."

- Sanhedrin 65b

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Re: Talmudism

Post by Strangelove on Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:09 pm

Rabbi Yisroel (Israel) ben Eliezer (רבי ישראל בן אליעזר ; May 22, 1760), often called Baal Shem Tov (/ˌbɑːl ˈʃɛm ˌtʊv/ or /ˌtʊf/) or Besht, was a Jewish mystical rabbi. He is considered to be the founder of Hasidic Judaism (see also Mezhbizh Hasidic dynasty).

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(Judges 2:13) And they forsook the LORD, and served Baal and Ashtaroth.

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Re: Talmudism

Post by Strangelove on Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:43 pm

R. Abin the Levite also said: If one partakes of a meal at which a scholar is present, it is as if he feasted on the effulgence of the Divine Presence, since it says, And Aaron came and all the elders of Israel, to eat bread with Moses’ father-in-law before God.14 Was it before God that they ate? Did not they eat before Moses? This tells you, however, that if one partakes of a meal at which a scholar is present,it is as if he feasted on the effulgence of the Divine Presence.

Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Berakoth - Folio 64a

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Re: Talmudism

Post by Strangelove on Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:37 pm

For in the [case of the] Jew, this soul of kelipah is derived from the kelipah called “nogah”, which also contains good; [This kelipah] is from the esoteric “Tree of Knowledge” [which is comprised] of good and evil. The souls of the nations of the world, however, emanate from the other, unclean kelipot which contain no good whatever, as is written in Etz Chayim, Portal 49, ch. 3, that all the good that the nations do, is done out of selfish motives. So the Gemara comments on the verse,“The kindness of the nations is sin” — that all the charity and kindness done by the nations of the world is only for their self-glorification....

Tanya, Likutei Amarim, Chapter 1.

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Re: Talmudism

Post by Strangelove on Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:08 pm

And Abraham gave all that he had unto Isaac. But unto the sons of the concubines which Abraham had, Abraham gave gifts:26 if a father made a bequest to his children in his lifetime and sent them away from each other, has one any claim upon the other? [Obviously not.]’

What gifts [did he give them]? — R. Jeremiah b. Abba said: This teaches that he imparted to them [the secrets of] the unhallowed arts.27


Footnot 27 reads: (27) I.e., the knowledge of sorcery, demons, etc.

Sanhedrin 91a

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Re: Talmudism

Post by Strangelove on Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:25 pm

"Once again, at the beginning of the 18th century, the Minorite friar Luigi Maria Benetelli severely censured those Jews of Venice, presumably belonging to the German community, who unperturbedly maintained the custom of the kapparot on the eve of the Fast of Expiation. According to him, these Jews intended to transfer the ballast of their own sins onto the white roosters, condemned to be sacrificed, while irreverently imitating the Passion of Christ.

"Many of you, on that day, dress in white and search for a white rooster without a single reddish feather (since red is the color of sin), and, clutching it by the neck and whirling it around your heads three times, pray that the rooster may expiate their sins; they torment the rooster by pulling its neck, they butcher it, throw it violently on the ground, and finally, they roast it; denoting, by means of the first torment, that they themselves deserve to be strangled; by means of the second torment, that they themselves deserve to be killed with a noose; in the third, that they themselves deserve to be stoned; and in the fourth, that they themselves deserve to be burnt for their sins. Not all (and for this reason, I said ‘many’) practice this ceremony even today. To me, it is enough that many of them, although unintentionally, admit, in fact, that the Messiah, which is white for its divinity and red for Humanity, should expiate sin" (31).

Similarly, as with the kapparot, in the case of the Christian child, his crucifixion transforms the child into Jesus and into Christianity, symbolically allowing the community to savor that vengeance against the enemies of Israel which is a necessary, although insufficient, preamble to their final redemption. The crescendo of insults and contemptuous gestures in front of the almemor of the synagogue was not, paradoxically, directed against the innocent boy, but rather, against Jesus, "the hanged one", whom the boy personified. Whether by ‘doing the fig’, spitting on the ground, grinding their teeth or stamping their feet, all the participants in the spectacular representation, alive and charged with tension, repeated the Hebrew wish, ken ikkaretu kol oyevecha, which means, "thus may our enemies be consumed"

- 'Blood Passovers, European Jews and Ritual Murders'. By Dr. Ariel Toaff, Professor of Medieval and Renaissance History at Bar Ilan University in Israel, and son of Elio Toaff, a Grand Rabbi of Rome.

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Re: Talmudism

Post by Strangelove on Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:42 pm

A quote I would love to verify but have not yet:

“God places himself for display upon earth in the likeness of the Jew — Judas, Jevah or Jehovah are the same and unique being. The Hebrew is the living God, the God become flesh, the heavenly man, the Adam Kadmon. The other men are earthly and of inferior race, and only exist to serve the Hebrew; they are little beasts.”

- Kaballa ad Pentateucum, Fol. 97, Col. 3.

WARNING: ABOVE IS AN UNVERIFIED QUOTE!

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Re: Talmudism

Post by Strangelove on Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:22 pm

"The Talmud consists of 63 books
of legal, ethical and historical writings of the ancient
rabbis. It was edited five centuries after the birth of Jesus.
It is a compendium of law and lore. It is the legal code which
forms the basis of Jewish religious law and it is the textbook
used in the training of rabbis"


- Rabbi Morris N.
Kertzer - article "What is a Jew", from Look
magazine, 1952.

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Post by zone on Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:57 am

Strangelove wrote:"The Talmud consists of 63 books
of legal, ethical and historical writings of the ancient
rabbis. It was edited five centuries after the birth of Jesus.
It is a compendium of law and lore. It is the legal code which
forms the basis of Jewish religious law and it is the textbook
used in the training of rabbis"


- Rabbi Morris N.
Kertzer - article "What is a Jew", from Look
magazine, 1952.

Speaking of Jews, by Lila Corwin Berman

Finkelstein’s was only one of many voices in the chorus explaining American Jews to non-Jewish Americans, and Berman profiles several of the others. There was the early sociologist Louis Wirth​, who argued in his 1928 study The Ghetto that Jewish immigrants, like other ethnic minorities, found it difficult to break free of traditional cultural traits and attitudes. Oscar Handlin​, a renowned social historian, believed that anti-Semitism was unlikely to flourish in the “inhospitable soil” of American liberalism. Rabbi Morris Kertzer, a chaplain in the U.S. Army who saw action in Italy and France during World War II, wrote “What Is a Jew?” for Look magazine in 1952—an article that was reprinted in Reader’s Digest, then expanded into a bestselling book. Nathan Glazer​, a socialist turned social scientist, enlisted in the project of Jewish -self-explanation via the pages of Commentary,1 which was launched in 1945 by the American Jewish Committee, Berman writes, “to harness intellectual energies to the project of Jewish survival.”

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/speaking-of-jews-by-lila-corwin-berman/
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Re: Talmudism

Post by zone on Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:02 am

What is a Jew? A Guide to the Beliefs, Traditions, and Practices of Judaism That Answers Questions for Both Jew and Non-Jew.


Kertzer, Morris N.


Price: 5.00 USD

ISBN: 0-684-84298-X





New York: Simon and Schuster, 1996. Octavo, paper covers, xxx, 306 pp., glossary, index New and Completely Revised Edition, First Touchstone Edition. Very Good.
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Re: Talmudism

Post by zone on Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:07 am

I am starting a book list, if you have additional recommended books please feel free to email me at esther@jewishconversionsupport.com

Learning The Basics:



Essential Judaism: A Complete Guide to Beliefs, Customs, and Rituals, by George Robinson


Jewish Literacy, by Rabbi Joseph Telushkin

Settings of Silver: An Introduction to Judaism, by Stephen M. Wylen

What is a Jew: A Guide to the Beliefs, Traditions and Practices of Judaism That Answers Questions for Both Jew and Non-Jew, by Rabbi Morris N. Kertzer

Finding God, by Rifat Sonsino and Daniel B. Syme

Living A Jewish Life: Jewish Traditions, Customs, and Values for Today's Families, by Anita Diamant

Choosing A Jewish Life: A Handbook for People Converting to Judaism and for their Family and Friends, by Anita Diamant

Choosing Judaism (revised edition) by Lydia Kukoff

Every Person's Guide to Judaism, Stephen J. Einstein and Lydia Kukoff

Basic Judaism, by Rabbi Milton Steinberg

Gates of Shabbat: A Guide for Observing Shabbat, by Mark Dov Shapiro

To Be A Jew: A Guide to Jewish Observance in Contemporary Life, by Rabbi Hayim Halevy Donin


Entering Jewish Prayer: A Guide to Personal Devotion and the Worship Service, by Reuven Hammer



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Post by zone on Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:12 am

Before giving any more verbatim quotations from the "sort of book" from which it is falsely alleged Jesus "drew the teachings which enabled him to revolutionize the world" on "moral and religious subjects" I wish to here again recall to your attention the official statement by Rabbi Morris N. Kertzer in `Look' Magazine for June 17, 1952. In that official statement made by Rabbi Morris N. Kertzer on behalf of The American Jewish Committee, self- styled "The Vatican of Judaism", informed the 20,000,000 readers of "Look' magazine that the Talmud "IS THE LEGAL CODE WHICH FORMS THE BASIS OF JEWISH RELIGIOUS LAW AND IT IS THE TEXTBOOK USED IN THE TRAINING OF RABBIS". Please bear this in mind as you read further.

http://www.nccg.org/634Art-FactsAreFacts.html



Before continuing I wish also to call your attention to another feature. Confirming the official view of Rabbi Morris N. Kertzer, the New York `Times' on May 20, 1954 ran a news item under the headline "Rabbis Plan a Fund to Endow Two Chairs". The news item itself ran as follows: "Special to the New York Times, Uniontown, Pa. May 19 - Plans for raising $500,000, for the creation of two endowed chairs at the `Jewish Theological Seminary of America' were announced today at the fifty-forth annual convention of the `Rabbinical Assembly of America'. THE PROFESSORSHIPS WOULD BE KNOWN AS THE LOUIS GINSBERG CHAIR IN TALMUD..." This is further proof that the Talmud is not yet quite a dead-letter in the "TRAINING OF RABBIS". Is further proof needed on that question?
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Post by zone on Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:17 am

"The Talmud Unmasked, The Secret Rabbinical Teachings Concerning Christians," was written by Rev. I.B. Pranaitis, Master of Theology and Professor of the Hebrew Language at the Imperial Ecclesiastical Academy of the Roman Catholic Church in Old St. Petersburg, Russia. The Rev. Pranaitis was the greatest of the students of the Talmud. His complete command of the Hebrew language qualified him to analyze the Talmud as few men in history.

The Rev. Pranaitis scrutinized the Talmud for passages referring to Jesus, Christians and the Christian faith. These passages were translated by him into Latin. Hebrew lends itself to translation into Latin better than it does directly into English. The translation of the passages of the Talmud referring to Jesus, Christians and Christian faith were printed in Latin by the Imperial Academy of Sciences in St. Petersburg in 1893 with the Imprimatur of his Archbishop. The translation from the Latin into English was made by great Latin scholars in the United States in 1939 with funds provided by wealthy Americans for that purpose.

In order not to leave any loose ends on the subject of the Talmud's reference to Jesus, to Christians and to the Christian faith I will below summarize translations into English from the Latin texts of Rev. Pranaitis' "The Talmud Unmasked, The Secret Rabbinical Teachings Concerning Christians". It would require too much space to quote these passages verbatim with their foot-notes form the Soncino Edition in English.

First I will summarize the references by Rev. Pranaitis referring to Jesus in the Talmud in the original texts translated by him into Latin, and from Latin into English:


  • Sanhedrin, 67a -- Jesus referred to as the son of Pandira, a soldier
  • Kallah, 1b. (18b) -- Illegitimate and conceived during menstruation.
  • Sanhedrin, 67a -- Hanged on the eve of Passover. Toldath Jeschu. Birth related in most shameful expressions
  • Abhodah Zarah II -- Referred to as the son of Pandira, a Roman soldier.
  • Schabbath XIV. Again referred to as the son of Pandira, the Roman.
  • Sanhedrin, 43a -- On the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus.
  • Schabbath, 104b -- Called a fool and no one pays attention to fools.
  • Toldoth Jeschu. Judas and Jesus engaged in quarrel with filth.
  • Sanhedrin, 103a. -- Suggested corrupts his morals and dishonors self.
  • Sanhedrin, 107b. -- Seduced, corrupted and destroyed Israel.
  • Zohar III, (282) -- Died like a beast and buried in animal's dirt heap.
  • Hilkoth Melakhim -- Attempted to prove Christians err in worship of Jesus
  • Abhodah Zarah, 21a -- Reference to worship of Jesus in homes unwanted.
  • Orach Chaiim, 113 -- Avoid appearance of paying respect to Jesus.
  • Iore dea, 150,2 -- Do not appear to pay respect to Jesus by accident.
  • Abhodah Zarah (6a) -- False teachings to worship on first day of Sabbath

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The following are a few summarized references to Christians and the Christian faith although not always expressed in exactly that manner. There are eleven names used in the Talmud for non-Talmud followers, by which Christians are meant. Besides Nostrim, from Jesus the Nazarene, Christians are called by all the names used in the Talmud to designate all non-"Jews": Minim, Edom, Abhodan Zarah, Akum. Obhde Elilim, Nokrim, Amme Haarets, Kuthim, Apikorosim, and Goim. Besides supplying the names by which Christians are called in the Talmud, the passages quoted below indicate what kind of people the Talmud pictures the Christians to be, and what the Talmud says about the religious worship of Christians:


  • Hilkhoth Maakhaloth -- Christians are idolators, must not associate.
  • Abhodah Zarah (22a) -- Do not associate with gentiles, they shed blood.
  • Iore Dea (153, 2). -- Must not associate with Christians, shed blood.
  • Abhodah Zarah (25b). -- Beware of Christians when walking abroad with them.
  • Orach Chaiim (20, 2). -- Christians disguise themselves to kill Jews.
  • Abhodah Zarah (15b) -- Suggest Christians have sex relations with animals.
  • Abhodah Zarah (22a) -- Suspect Christians of intercourse with animals.
  • Schabbath (145b) -- Christians unclean because they eat accordingly
  • Abhodah Zarah (22b) -- Christians unclean because they not at Mount Sinai.
  • Iore Dea (198, 48). -- Clean female Jews contaminated meeting Christians.
  • Kerithuth (6b p. 78) -- Jews called men, Christians not called men.
  • Makkoth (7b) -- Innocent of murder if intent was to kill Christian.
  • Orach Chaiim(225, 10) -- Christians and animals grouped for comparisons.
  • Midrasch Talpioth 225 -- Christians created to minister to Jews always.
  • Orach Chaiim 57, 6a -- Christians to be pitied more than sick pigs.
  • Zohar II (64b) -- Christian idolators likened to cows and asses.
  • Kethuboth (110b). -- Psalmist compares Christians to unclean beasts.
  • Sanhedrin (74b). Tos. -- Sexual intercourse of Christian like that of beast.
  • Kethuboth (3b) -- The seed of Christian is valued as seed of beast.
  • Kidduschim (68a) -- Christians like the people of an ass.
  • Eben Haezar (44,8) -- Marriages between Christian and Jews null.
  • Zohar (II, 64b) -- Christian birth rate must be diminished materially.
  • Zohar (I, 28b) -- Christian idolators children of Eve's serpent.
  • Zohar (I, 131a) -- Idolatrous people (Christians) befoul the world.
  • Emek Haschanach(17a) -- Non-Jews' souls come from death and death's shadow.
  • Zohar (I, 46b, 47a) -- Souls of gentiles have unclean divine origins.
  • Rosch Haschanach(17a) -- Non-Jews souls go down to hell.
  • Iore Dea (337, 1). -- Replace dead Christians like lost cow or ass.
  • Iebhammoth (61a) -- Jews called men, but not Christians called men.
  • Abhodah Zarah (14b) T -- Forbidden to sell religious works to Christians
  • Abhodah Zarah (78) -- Christian churches are places of idolatry.
  • Iore Dea (142, 10) -- Must keep far away physically from churches.
  • Iore Dea (142, 15) -- Must not listen to church music or look at idols
  • Iore Dea (143, 1) -- Must not rebuild homes destroyed near churches.
  • Hilkoth Abh. Zar (10b) -- Jews must not resell broken chalices to Christians.
  • Chullin (91b) -- Jews possess dignity even an angel cannot share.
  • Sanhedrin, 58b -- To strike Israelite like slapping face of God.
  • Chagigah, 15b -- A Jew considered good in spite of sins he commits.
  • Gittin (62a) -- Jew stay away from Christian homes on holidays.
  • Choschen Ham. (26,1) -- Jew must not sue before a Christian judge or laws.
  • Choschen Ham (34,19) -- Christian or servant cannot become witnesses.
  • Iore Dea (112, 1). -- Avoid eating with Christians, breeds familiarity.
  • Abhodah Zarah (35b) -- Do not drink milk from a cow milked by Christian.
  • Iore dea (178, 1) -- Never imitate customs of Christians, even hair-comb.
  • Abhodah Zarah (72b) -- Wine touched by Christians must be thrown away.
  • Iore Dea (120, 1) -- Bought-dishes from Christians must be thrown away.
  • Abhodah Zarah (2a) -- For three days before Christian festivals, avoid all.
  • Abhodah Zarah (78c) -- Festivals of followers of Jesus regarded as idolatry.
  • Iore Dea (139, 1) -- Avoid things used by Christians in their worship.
  • Abhodah Zarah (14b) -- Forbidden to sell Christians articles for worship.
  • Iore Dea (151,1) H. -- Do not sell water to Christians articles for baptisms.
  • Abhodah Zarah (2a, 1) -- Do not trade with Christians on their feast days.
  • Abhodah Zarah (1,2) -- Now permitted to trade with Christians on such days.
  • Abhodah Zarah (2aT) -- Trade with Christians because they have money to pay.
  • Iore Dea (148, 5) -- If Christian is not devout, may send him gifts.
  • Hilkoth Akum (IX,2) -- Send gifts to Christians only if they are irreligious.
  • Iore Dea (81,7 Ha) -- Christian wet-nurses to be avoided because dangerous.
  • Iore Dea (153, 1 H) -- Christian nurse will lead children to heresy.
  • Iore Dea (155,1). -- Avoid Christian doctors not well known to neighbors.
  • Peaschim (25a) -- Avoid medical help from idolators, Christians meant.
  • Iore Dea (156,1) -- Avoid Christian barbers unless escorted by Jews.
  • Abhodah Zarah (26a). -- Avoid Christian midwives as dangerous when alone.
  • Zohar (1,25b) -- Those who do good to Christians never rise when dead.
  • Hilkoth Akum (X,6) -- Help needy Christians if it will promote peace.
  • Iore Dea (148, 12H) -- Hide hatred for Christians at their celebrations.
  • Abhodah Zarah (20a) -- Never praise Christians lest it be believed true.
  • Iore Dea (151,14) -- Not allowed to praise Christians to add to glory.
  • Hilkoth Akum (V, 12) -- Quote Scriptures to forbid mention of Christian god.
  • Iore Dea (146, 15) -- Refer to Christian religious articles with contempt.
  • Iore Dea (147,5) -- Deride Christian religious articles without wishes.
  • Hilkoth Akum (X,5) -- No gifts to Christians, gifts to converts.
  • Iore Dea (151,11) -- Gifts forbidden to Christians, encourages friendship.
  • Iore Dea (335,43) -- Exile for that Jew who sells farm to Christian.
  • Iore Dea (154,2) -- Forbidden to teach a trade to a Christian
  • Babha Bathra (54b) -- Christian property belongs to first person claiming.
  • Choschen Ham(183,7) -- Keep what Christian overpays in error.
  • Choschen Ham(226,1) -- Jew may keep lost property of Christian found by Jew.
  • Babha Kama (113b) -- It is permitted to deceive Christians.
  • Choschen Ham(183,7) -- Jews must divide what they overcharge Christians.
  • Choschen Ham(156,5) -- Jews must not take Christian customers from Jews.
  • Iore Dea (157,2) H -- May deceive Christians that believe Christian tenets.
  • Abhodah Zarah (54a) --Usury may be practiced upon Christians or apostates.
  • Iore Dea (159,1) -- Usury permitted now for any reason to Christians.
  • Babha Kama (113a) -- Jew may lie and perjure to condemn a Christian.
  • Babha Kama (113b) -- Name of God not profaned when lying to Christians.
  • Kallah (1b, p.18) -- Jew may perjure himself with a clear conscience.
  • Schabbouth Hag. (6d). -- Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording.
  • Zohar (1,160a). -- Jews must always try to deceive Christians.
  • Iore Dea (158,1) -- Do not cure Christians unless it makes enemies.
  • Orach Cahiim (330,2) -- Do not assist Christian's childbirth on Saturday.
  • Choschen Ham.(425,5) -- Unless believes in Torah do not prevent his death.
  • Iore Dea (158,1) -- Christians not enemies must not be saved either.
  • Hilkkoth Akum (X,1) -- Do not save Christians in danger of death.
  • Choschen Ham(386,10) -- A spy may be killed even before he confesses.
  • Abhodah Zorah (26b) -- Apostates to be thrown into well, not rescued.
  • Choschen Ham(388,15) -- Kill those who give Israelites' money to Christians
  • Sanhedrin (59a) -- `Prying into Jews' "Law" to get death penalty
  • Hilkhoth Akum(X,2) -- Baptized Jews are to be put to death
  • Iore Dea(158,2)Hag. -- Kill renegades who turn to Christian rituals.
  • Choschen Ham(425,5) -- Those who do not believe in Torah are to be killed.
  • Hilkhoth tesch.III,8 -- Christians and others deny the "Law" of the Torah.
  • Zohar (I,25a) -- Christians are to be destroyed as idolators.
  • Zohar (II,19a) -- Captivity of Jews end when Christian princes die.
  • Zohar (I,219b) -- Princes of Christians are idolators, must die.
  • Obadiam -- When Rome is destroyed, Israel will be redeemed.
  • Abhodah Zarah(26b) T. -- "Even the best of the Goim should be killed."
  • Sepher Or Israel 177b -- If Jew kills Christian commits no sin.
  • Ialkut Simoni (245c) -- Shedding blood of impious offers sacrifice to God.
  • Zohar (II, 43a) -- Extermination of Christians necessary sacrifice.
  • Zohar (L,28b,39a) -- High place in heaven for those who kill idolators.
  • Hilkhoth Akum(X,1) -- Make no agreements and show no mercy to Christians
  • Hilkhoth Akum (X,1) -- Either turn them away from their idols or kill.
  • Hilkhoth Akum (X,7) -- Allow no idolators to remain where Jews are strong.
  • Choschen Ham(388,16) -- All contribute to expense of killing traitor.
  • Pesachim (49b) -- No need of prayers while beheading on Sabbath.
  • Schabbath (118a). -- Prayers to save from punishment of coming Messiah.

In the Library of Congress and the New York Public Library, unless recently removed, you can find a copy of "The Talmud Unmasked, The Secret Rabbinical Teachings Concerning Christians" by the Rev. I. B. Pranaitis. A copy of the original work printed in St. Petersburg, Russia in 1892 can be made available to you by our mutual friend if you are interested in reading the above passages in the original Hebrew text with their Latin translation. I trust my summaries correctly explain the original text. I believe they do. If I am in error in any way please be so kind as to let me know. It was very difficult to reduce them to short summaries.
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The Other Side of the Talmud Debate: Michael Hoffman Refutes a Defense of the Talmud

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Re: Talmudism

Post by unclefester on Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:29 pm

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The Other Side of the Talmud Debate: Michael Hoffman Refutes a Defense of the Talmud

This guys books are next on my "must read" list. Gonna go to Chapter's tomorrow. Loved this clip Zone ! Smile
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Post by zone on Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:34 pm

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BenYachov(Jim Scott 4th): So let me get this straight "Vox" you really believe the Talmud teaches a man may have sex with an underage little girl(like your website claims)? Yes or no?


Response: Yes. Sanhedrin 55b in its entirety:
since the latter reason embraces both the reason of a stumbling block and of human degradation, the former reason is that of stumbling block alone, e.g. when a heathen commits bestiality! — No. The second reason is that of stumbling block and of degradation, but the first teaches that even if there is degradation without a stumbling block, the animal is stoned, e.g., if a Jew committed bestiality in ignorance [of the fact that it is forbidden].

Even as R. Hamnuna propounded: What if a Jew committed bestiality in ignorance; must there have been both a stumbling block and degradation [for the animal to be stoned] and in this case there is only degradation, but no sin; or perhaps for degradation alone without there having been a stumbling block [the animal is stoned]? — R. Joseph said: Come and hear! A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition, and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her, she becomes his. The penalty of adultery may be incurred through her; [if a niddah] she defiles him who has connection with her, so that he in turn defiles that upon which he lies, as a garment which has lain upon [a person afflicted with gonorrhoea]. If she married a priest, she may eat of terumah; If any unfit person has a connection with her, he disqualifies her from the priesthood — If any of the forbidden degrees had intercourse with her, they are executed on her account,but she is exempt.Now, 'any of the forbidden degrees' implies even a beast: in this case, there is degradation but no stumbling-block, yet it is taught that they [including a beast] are slain on her account.[No, this is not conclusive, as it can be argued that] since she deliberately offended there is a stumbling-block] [though she is a minor] but the All-Merciful One had mercy upon her; now, He shewed mercy to her, but not to the animal.

Raba said: Come and hear! A male aged nine years and a day who cohabits with his deceased brother's wife [the former having left no issue] acquires her [as wife]. But he cannot divorce her until he attains his majority.He is defiled through coition with a niddah,so that he in turn defiles that upon which he lies, as a garment which has lain upon [a person afflicted with gonorrhoea] — He disqualifies [a woman from the priesthood],but cannot enable a woman to eat [of terumah].He renders an animal unfit for the altar,and it is stoned on his account, and if he had intercourse with one of the degrees forbidden in the Torah, the latter is executed. Now here there is degradation, but no stumbling-block, yet it is taught: 'It is stoned on his account.' Since it was a deliberate offence, there is a stumbling-block, but the All-Merciful One had mercy upon him; now, He showed mercy to him, but not to the animal.

Come and hear! ANOTHER REASON IS THAT THE ANIMAL SHOULD NOT PASS THROUGH THE STREETS WHILST PEOPLE SAY, 'THIS IS THE ANIMAL ON ACCOUNT OF WHICH SO AND SO WAS STONED.' Now surely, since the latter reason embraces both stumbling-block and degradation, the former reason refers to degradation only, that is, when a Jew committed bestiality in ignorance. No! The second reason is one of stumbling-block and degradation; but the first teaches that even if there is a stumbling block without degradation, the animal is stoned, e.g., if a heathen committed bestiality, even as it was asked of R. Shesheth.



BenYachov(Jim Scott 4th): I'm supposed to take you seriously for beliving that & speading that vile slander? Right! Sure pal let me know when Elvis gets here.



Response: If you are looking for Elvis, you can find him here.



BenYachov(Jim Scott 4th): I reply: I have done this & have concluded these charges against the Talmud are false misrepresentations & they are morally & intellectually no different than Jack Chick's slanders against the Catholic Church or James McCarthy's misrepresentations of the CCC or Bill Webster's misrepresentations of the Church Fathers(Webster quotes the Fathers to "prove" they taught proto-Reformation doctrine & not Catholicism).



Response: I have done this, and others have done this, and we've concluded they are true, as did Popes during some of the great Disputations. One can read the testimony of Jewish converts, too. Or one can simply read the Talmud for oneself. I will duplicate some of the Jewish-Catholic relations section of the site here since you seem not to have read it:
The ex-Rabbi Drach, a 19th c. convert to Catholicism, honored by Popes Leo XII, Pius VIII and Gregory XVI, tells us about it:

For a long time it was my professional duty to teach the Talmud and explain its doctrines, after having attended special courses for many years under the most renowned of contemporary Jewish Doctors.... The judicious reader of the Talmud is often saddened by the presence of many of those strange aberrations into which the human mind falls when bereft of the true faith, and very frequently rabbinical cynicism makes him blush with shame. The Christian is horrified by the insane and atrocious calumnies which the impious hatred of the Pharisees hurls at everything he holds sacred ... In the Ghemara there are at least a hundred passages which are insulting to the memory of Our Adorable Savior, the more-than-angelic purity of His Holy Mother, the Immaculate Queen of Heaven, as well as the moral character of the Christian, whom the Talmud represents as practicing the most abominable vices.
Jane Rachel Litman writes that, when faced with the teachings of the ancient rabbis, some Jews respond with out and out denial. She describes a class she taught on Talmud:

The background sound in the small library is muted but intense. Pairs of scholars lean over their talmudic texts whispering energetically, trying to puzzle out the meaning of the particular sugya, passage. The teacher directs them back toward the group and asks for questions.

One student raises a hand: "I don't understand verse 5:4 of the tractate Niddah. What does the phrase 'it is like a finger in eye' mean?"

The teacher responds, "This refers to the hymen of a girl younger than three years old. The Sages believed that in the case of toddler rape, the hymen would fully grow back by the time the girl reached adulthood and married. Therfore, though violated, she would still technically be counted as a virgin and could marry a priest. It's an analogy: poking your finger in the eye is uncomortable, but causes no lasting harm."

There is a collective gasp of breath among students. Their dismay is palpable. They do not like this particular talmudic text or the men behind it. But its authors, the talmudic rabbis, hardly wrote it with this particular group of students in mind -- mostly thirty- and forty-year old women in suburban Philadelphia taking a four-week class titled 'Women in Jewish Law' at their Reform synagogue.

The questioner perists. 'I don't understand. Are you saying this refers to the rape of a three year-old girl?'

"Or younger," the teacher responds dryly.

"I don't see how it says anything about rape and hymens. You must be mistaken. I don't believe the rabbis are talking about rape at all. I think this statement has nothing to do with the rest of the passage."

The teacher (I'll admit now that it was me, a second-year rabbinic student) responds, "Well, that's the common understanding. What do you think it means?" The woman is clearly agitated, "I don't know, but I do know that it couldn't be about child rape." This is week three of the class. The woman does not return for week four. Denial.



BenYachov(Jim Scott 4th): They use the same questionable methodology anti-Catholics use against the Church. Like the charges from anti-Catholics they spiritually come from the same master. Not Our Lord Jesus Christ but a master who is a liar & the Father of Lies.



Response: If you want to compare Popes to Jack Chick, then I have to question your Catholicity. And what do you make of Talmud teacher Jane Rachel Litman quoted above?



>Do a search for Chabad (Lubavitcher) discussion forums sometime to hear, for ex., incredibly racist talk about how non-Jews have animal souls,

BenYachov(Jim Scott 4th): I reply: I have read on so called "traditional Catholic" websites even worse said about the Jews & even Jewish Catholics(calling them Judaizers). So what's your point?



Response: Some Hebrew converts are Judaizers; others aren't. Some non-Hebrew Catholics are Judaizers; others aren't. Judaizing is a heresy (see the Catholic Encyclopedia) -- one of the first heresies, and using the word "Judaizer" to describe those who Judaize is akin to describing someone as a Protestant. It's either true or not true. In other words, it's not like calling someone the N-word.

The word applies to those:

who want to put Christians back under the yoke of the Law, and/or, more recently, to those
who want to think of Hebrew converts as a "Chosen" sub-set of the Chosen, a sort of the cream of the Catholic crop, etc., and/or
who consistently put down "historical Christianity" or "European Christianity" (code words for "Catholicism") in order to defend Jewish history, and/or
who interpret Nostra Aetate to say what it doesn't say (especially with regard to ideas concerning this "dual Covenant" stuff and the necessity of preaching the Gospel to Jewish people), and/or
who attempt to make Catholic culture and liturgy in other ways Jewish, and/or (as is most common)
who simply water down or out and out lie about what post-Temple Judaism teaches and who put defense of post-Temple Judaism/Eretz Israel/facts of Jewish history ahead of the defense of the Church.
Quite obviously if a Hebrew convert wants to light a Channukiah in December, no one would care. Keeping family traditions as family traditions is laudable. But to get entire Catholic parishes to have seders and such is silly and an insult to the Mass which fulfills all that -- especially when the human craving for ritual should be met, among Catholics, by the traditional Catholic practices that have been done away with since the Council.



BenYachov(Jim Scott 4th): You found some fringe Jews who are racist against Gentiles? Big deal. That still doesn't give you the right to return evil for evil nor does it prove your slanders & misrepresentations of the Talmud correct. It just shows you have a false conscience & that you need prayer.



Chabad (that link is to 2,230,000 Google search returns for the word "Chabad" -- not bad for a sub-set of 14 million people) isn't a group of "fringe Jews." And I've proven what the Talmud says by duplicating it above.



>how Noahidism should be spread -- a religion which would make the worship of Christ worthy of punishment by decapitation (don't gape and guffaw and start to yell names; look it up yourself from Chabad sources).

BenYachov(Jim Scott 4th): I reply: Sounds like your personal interpretation of their sacred texts(which you haven't cited just made vague ambigious inferences about) or at best you have found a small fringe Jewish group that happens to conform to your sterotypes & conspiracy theories.



Response: No, quite the contrary. And if you'd bothered to follow the links in the Jewish-Catholic Relations section of my site, you'd have seen direct links to Jewish sources on the Noahide Laws. I will put some of the links here since I don't think you will go look for them yourself, and since any onlookers will see a person with a Jewish name going against one who has been slandered as one of those "rad-trad, integrist, more-Catholic-than-the-Pope, hatin' bigot types who probably even has a Southern accent to boot" (even though none of those things are true about me), and will automatically, post-Shoah, side with you and also not bother to actually read anything:
http://www.moshiach.com/action/morality/introduction.php
http://www.noahide.com -- see especially http://www.noahide.com/finalwar.htm
http://www.chabad.org
http://www.chabad.com



BenYachov(Jim Scott 4th): Much like Abe Foxman tried to portray holocaust denier Hutson Gibson as the typical conservative traditional Catholic. Yeh that's fair! NOT!



Response: Abe Foxman doesn't have to slam traditional Catholics; fellow Catholics do that for us, usually in a very reaciontary, knee-jerk way. All it takes is for one famous apologist to lay the label out there on a person, and that's all she wrote. People like labels. It's easier than thinking.



BenYachov(Jim Scott 4th): BTW Maimonides taught that Gentiles are not guilty of idolatry for worshipping Jesus & this is the dominant view among Jews. They believe that Gentiles are allowed to have a "defective" view of God because they only know God through the seven Noachide laws & so can assign to God a "partner" without being polytheists or believe that God has personified attributes.



Response: Maimonides was either of two minds about whether Christians are idolators, or he changed his mind about it. First he wrote that "A gentile who engages in the study of the Torah deserves to die. He should not engage in the study of anything but their seven commandments [i.e., the Noahide Laws] alone" (Mishneh Torah), and that "all Torah restrictions pertaining to idolaters pertain to them" (Commentary on the Mishnah), and then he goes on about how Christians are easier to proselytize than Muslims, who are not generally considered idolators. So whatever. But in any case, he put forth that "Gentiles" should obey the Noahide Laws. Who interprets the Noahide Laws, which aren't actually 7 Laws, but many laws that fall into 7 categories? Not the Pope, I assure you. How will they be interpreted? See this page http://www.moshiach.com/action/morality/introduction.php



BenYachov(Jim Scott 4th): I studied Noachide laws & the Noachide movement & basically they're similar to the philosophies & theories of Reformed Post-millenial Protestants.



Response: The Noahide Laws are classic Rambam stuff, not some new thing.


BenYachov(Jim Scott 4th): Yet I don't see you posting hysterical conspiracy-obessessed theories on how theonomists want to take over the world & force all Catholics to confess sola fide & Calvinism. Gil Student told me that Jews believe that Noachide laws will only become worldwide after the coming of the Messiah. Since we know that when the Messiah comes again He will be Jesus so its not really something I'm worried about, any more than I'm worried about the Protestant theonomists.

Response: There's a reason why my website doesn't focus on that dastardly and infamous theonomist conspiracy to take over the world: theonomists aren't bombing Lebanon right now; they aren't planning on bombing Iran; they aren't stirring up Muslim hatred against my country; they don't get billions of dollars from the U.S. every year; they don't have nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons; they don't have the equivalent of AIPAC influencing Washington; they don't have millions of misguided, doctrinally corrupt Christians rallying to send their own sons to die for them; they don't have B'nai B'rith shaping thought-crime laws all over the world; they're not spying on the U.S., et cetera and so forth. One can speak rationally about theonomist interests clashing with Catholic interests without being called nasty names, too.

Anyway, it doesn't matter what we know about Who the Messiah is; Jews aren't expecting the Christ. When the one they think is the Messiah is come, they will do what they can to institute the Noahide Laws and back it up with force. Hopefully many of the Fathers who believed that some Jews will come to Christ in the End Times were right, but there will be an Antichrist, too -- and before the true Christ comes.




BenYachov(Jim Scott 4th): Besides, some Traditionalists believe we should create a Catholic monarchy here in America that would punish heresy & restrict the rights of non-Catholic Christians. Should I now then weave grand conspiracy theories condemning all Traditionalists & citing fear in my fellow Catholics because of the beliefs of just a few? You ought not slander the Jews in a similar fashion.



Response: The only options are rule of law with someone's traditional religious precepts behind them, rule of law with secular straw behind them, or no rule of law at all. We can see what the second option has gotten us, and we can imagine what the third would offer.

It isn't radical at all for a Catholic to want a nation whose laws are based on Christian morality (Jews want a Jewish nation based on Jewish precepts, with only Jewish immigrants having a "right to 'return'" -- and they have one, with Yankee, "We Need More Separation of Church and State" dollars paying the bill). Now, why would a Catholic want a nation with laws based on Muslim morality? Or Jewish morality? Or Wiccan morality? Or secular "values"? Ever read Quas Primas? It's an encyclical. From a Pope. It's Catholic doctrine, not some "rad-trad, integrist, freak o' nature" bit of Kleenex.

As to monarchy, can you think of a system more divisive, more corruptible, less forward-thinking, more swayed by money and demagoguery, and more rewarding to the power-hungry than a democracy? Read "Democracy: The God that Failed" sometime and then tell me how it'd be slanderous to call someone a "monarchist."


BenYachov(Jim Scott 4th): Your Website Vox contain Jew Baiting conspiracy obsessed trash that has been long refuted. At best you have defended the charge that the Talmud makes negative references to Jesus & Mary. But so what? I have always believed that based on secular & Jewish sources & I don't consider pointing that out to be a slander.

But claiming the Talmud authorizes Jewish men to use little boys sexually or little girls(& pretty much all the other extremist accusations you put on that website) is a lie. On the same level as Jack Chick claiming we Catholics believe Mary is a Fourth Divine Person of the Trinity. Only it's worse because the scandal that trash gives to Jews just helps to drive them from knowing the Messiah Yeshua and His True Church.

Anyway I issue a challenge to you. Prove conclusively the Talmud teaches a man may have sex with a young girl or boy & that this behavior is condoned as moral or remove the offending material from your website.



Response: See above. And I issue a challenge to you: ponder how strange it is for a Catholic (you) to go about defending the Talmud -- a book investigated and found to be blasphemous by many Popes, a book that calls Our Lord's mother a whore, a book that says that Our Lord is boiling in hot excrement in Hell -- while having no qualms about slandering a fellow Catholic.

Now, I do wish we could metaphorically shake hands and be kind to one another. Seriously. Peace.


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above from:


Jews, the Church,
and the History of the World

Index

In this series, I will explain why Jews and Catholics have had such a rocky history and why Jews and traditional Catholics still have difficulties with each other (as groups) today.

Most people who've been educated in American public schools, who've have had a steady diet of Hollywood, PBS, NPR, and the like, or who have received an education at the typical university, will end up with at least the "sense" of the following equations: Catholics=bad, Jews=good; Catholics=persecuters, Jews=persecuted. They will end up acquiring a blend of very Anglo-centric, Protestant, secular, Jewish, and Marxist views of such things as the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, the role of Pope Pius XII in WWII, etc. -- views "supported" by wildly exaggerated statistics, omitting context, ignoring the Catholic view of these incidents, out and out blatant falsifications, and by simply not having a clear understanding of political theory (along with, in the case of members of Protestant sects, not having a clear understanding of orthodox Christian teaching).

Ignorance of the true nature of "Jewish-Catholic relations" goes deep. Very deep. Writing about it will involve revisiting over 2,000 years of history, taking what we think we know and turning 90% of it 45o right-side up. Just have an open mind and conduct your own research into the things I write about.


Part I Basic Concepts: the Talmud
Part II The Noachide Laws
Part III The Historical Memory Hole




See also the discussion board's forum on
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'Non-Jews are brainless thieves'

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'Non-Jews are brainless thieves'

Rabbi Shteinman, leader of Lithuanian branch of ultra orthodox Jewry claims world was created for righteous, says nations have no principles

Ynet Published: 05.21.12, 14:15 / Israel Jewish Scene

Speaking in Beit Shemesh ahead of the Shavuot holiday, Rabbi Aharon Yehuda Leib Shteinman, one of the leaders of the Lithuanian branch of haredi Judaism discussed the importance of the torah and said that the world was created for the righteous that learn and follow its teachings.

Yet he also issues some more controversial statements. The rabbi's speech which was published in full in the haredi newspaper Yated Ne'eman, included statements on non-Jews:

"There are eight billion people in the world. And what are they? Murderers, thieves, brainless people… But who is the essence of this world? Has God created the world for these murderers? For these evil-doers? "

The rabbi, who has replaced Rabbi Yosef Shalom Elyashiv as the Lithuanian branch of Judaism's spiritual leader, reiterated his statements and went on to say: "Non-Jews have no connection to torah. The nations have nothing, no confidence (=faith) and no good principles."

The majority of Rabbi Shteinman's statements focused on the importance of torah and its influence on the day to day life and on the education of the next generation. The rabbi stressed that "those who don't study torah, are not fulfilling the mitzvoth. If he doesn't study torah it leads to devastation, his devastation, and the world's devastation…

"This is what we need to aspire to, to see all the children, all our generations, make sure the sons study torah…anyone and everyone who wants to see "nachas" (joy) from their children needs to make sure they study torah.

"If not torah they will be illiterates and no joy will come of them. Even if he has money, is that the goal (in life)? Can you take money to the grave with you? There is no such thing. What do you have in the grave (afterlife)? Torah."

The Chairman of Hiddush (for Religious Freedom and Equality), Rabbi Uri Regev said in response to Rabbi Shteinman's statements: "It is incredible and outrageous to hear these hate filled statements against almost the entire human race.

"Rabbi Shteinman once again exposes the fact that his fable of moderateness was at best groundless and at worst an act of deceit."

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Re: Talmudism

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...The rabbi's speech which was published in full in the haredi newspaper Yated Ne'eman, included statements on non-Jews:

"There are eight billion people in the world. And what are they? Murderers, thieves, brainless people… But who is the essence of this world? Has God created the world for these murderers? For these evil-doers? "

The rabbi, who has replaced Rabbi Yosef Shalom Elyashiv as the Lithuanian branch of Judaism's spiritual leader, reiterated his statements and went on to say: "Non-Jews have no connection to torah. The nations have nothing, no confidence (=faith) and no good principles."....
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Re: Talmudism

Post by Strangelove on Tue May 29, 2012 8:20 pm

'Torat Hamelech' authors will not be indicted

By JEREMY SHARON
28/05/2012

Investigations against rabbis who approve book also to be closed; Weinstein: Not enough evidence of intention to incite.

~snippett~

"Director of the Reform Movement in Israel Rabbi Gilad Kariv said that closure of the case sends a message that “racial incitement is permitted in Israel and bears no price.”

This is the most racist book written in Hebrew in recent years,” Kariv continued. “This is a dangerous message that will lead not just to more words of incitement, but also to actions.”

One extract of the work argues that it is permitted to kill infants on the enemy side during warfare “if there is a good chance they will grow up to be like their evil parents.”


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Re: Talmudism

Post by Strangelove on Tue May 29, 2012 8:23 pm

"When we approach a gentile who has violated the seven laws of Noah and kill him out of devotion to the upholding of these Noahide laws, this is not forbidden."

- Torat Hamelech

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Jewish Paganism: Oxymoron or Innovation?

Post by zone on Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:40 pm

Jewish Paganism: Oxymoron or Innovation?

By Jay Michaelson
Published December 09, 2005, issue of December 09, 2005.

http://forward.com/articles/1743/jewish-paganism-oxymoron-or-innovation/
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Re: Talmudism

Post by Strangelove on Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:13 pm

"Pharisaism became Talmudism, Talmudism became Medieval Rabbinism, and Medieval Rabbinism be came Modern Rabbinism. But throughout these changes of name, inevitable adaptation of custom, and adjustment of Law, the spirit of the ancient Pharisee survives unaltered. When the Jew reads his prayers, he is reciting formulae prepared by pre-Maccabean scholars; when he dons the cloak prescribed for the Day of Atonement and Passover Eve, he is wearing the festival garment of ancient Jerusalem; when he studies the Talmud, he is actually repeating the arguments used in the Palestinian academies."

- Rabbi Louis Finkelstein, Volume 1 of 'The Pharisees, the Sociological Background of their Faith' Jewish Publication Society of America, 1966, page 21.

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Re: Talmudism

Post by On the Edge on Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:18 am

The Talmud is alive and well!

"Over the past 7 years and 5 months,
Orthodox Jews from around the world have committed to reading a page every day of the Talmud, a process known as Daf Yomi. In the US state of New Jersey, an astonishing 90,000 have squeezed into the MetLife stadium to celebrate the completion of the latest cycle. Daf Yomi was started by Rabbi Meir Shapiro in 1923 to make the study of Torah accessible, and as a way of uniting Jews around the world. Each Siyum HaShas celebration has been bigger than the last and this one is
certainly no exception."
http://youtu.be/ljch-TVGXA0


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Re: Talmudism

Post by zone on Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:53 am

yes, to each their own.

but what amazes me is how christians have NO clue that jews do not really believe the torah. they practice a religion that has nothing to do with Pentateuch...it gets lip service only.

xtian zionists think unbeliving jews are Pentateuch minus knowing Jesus. what could be further from the truth?
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Re: Talmudism

Post by Strangelove on Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:44 pm

And we get jokers on other forums tellin us to stop making such a big deal out of the talmud? Tellin us Jews don't really care about it? Gimme a break.

I feel sorry for the little boys there. Not only brainwashed into believing sickening lies about the Messiah, but also forced to dress up like utter twats!

O'course...gotto get the holocaust in there some how, for emotional binding effect.

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Re: Talmudism

Post by zone on Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:08 pm

yep on all of that Doc.
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