Bob Dewaay

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anything by him is really worth the time.

he's on youtube also.

good interview type- presentations.

I was sad to hear he was removed from his post.
I pray he can continue on the net.

Abiding who is he,never heard of him?
One question to you cause i found this statement
on the twincityfellowship web site.


Bless Israel

Bless Israel is a ministry which
focuses on Israel and the Jewish people.
Because of the Jewish roots of Christianity and
Christianity’s debt to Judaism, we
believe it is essential that the Church
understand the importance of Israel and the
Jewish people, both biblically and
prophetically. With this in mind, we work to
help Christians in this understanding and
strive to effect a more biblical lifestyle in
teaching and in practice.



Do we owe the jews anything?
I don't think so..
We owe Jesus everything!

Common sentiment from a pretribbers view of Romans id assume.
It just seems you get the package deal with dispensationalism.

We owe no man anything but to love him.

Im still pondering on the fact so many are in support to Israel
and are willing to destroy most of mankind in the process..dont
seem too loving to me

i thought his website was critical issues commentary?

whats twincities?

Abi am i wrong that twincityfellowship does not link to Bob?

twincity is where he pastored

Abiding wrote:I was sad to hear he was removed from his post.
I pray he can continue on the net.

what's the story on that mike?

I LOVE BOB!

WHAT'D THEY DO TO MY BOB>????



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the 4runner-types moved in? IT'S HAPPENING EVERYWHERE.

even here. the only good simple Bible teaching church i had was taken over, turned Mega and did 40 Days of PUTRIDNESS.
(see on CC where that guy 4runner OPENLY and loudly admitted he's with Engle, and all for violent DOMINIONISM using Jesus' Name? but; we gotta be nice to these snakes, right?)

They set him aside, for alcoholism their saying

ada wrote:Abiding who is he,never heard of him?
One question to you cause i found this statement
on the twincityfellowship web site.


Bless Israel

Bless Israel is a ministry which
focuses on Israel and the Jewish people.
Because of the Jewish roots of Christianity and
Christianity’s debt to Judaism, we
believe it is essential that the Church
understand the importance of Israel and the
Jewish people, both biblically and
prophetically. With this in mind, we work to
help Christians in this understanding and
strive to effect a more biblical lifestyle in
teaching and in practice.



Do we owe the jews anything?
I don't think so..
We owe Jesus everything!

oh brother.

well ADA, do you know how few we are that even know Jerusalem is the Harlot of Revelation?

Bob just does exegesis - i've heard no eschatology from him (other than that he, like 99% of christians out there says Rome is the woman).

and he covers the CULTS really well.

i guess it's matter of gleaning those kernels from the field.

love you brother.

Abiding wrote:They set him aside, for alcoholism their saying

what?
ok...i gotta look into it.
i smell a rat....

okay. just now looked into it. it's true.
and now i know who Chris Rosebrough was talking about though he didn't mention any names.
he said in one of his podcasts that he'd been called to the bedside of a long-time pastor and friend who had just divulged this serious problem.
oh how sad.
that used to be me.
poor Bob.

i guess i can't recommend him anymore for the same reasons this writer mentions.

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Bob DeWaay and Emergent

On this Tackle It Tuesday, I want to continue on the mention of a book I am writing. I started researching a few months ago. I have been giving myself crash courses in theology and biblical hermeneutics. This also involves reading books written by various Emergent leaders.

Some events have happened that gives me pause in this. I have been struggling on whether to write the book or not. I am not an author but I wanted to add my voice to the fray. I realize that once I do this I will be exposing myself to scrutiny and criticism.

Some things I wanted to make sure of before writing the book were: 1. I would love the people I am writing about and 2. I would read the whole Bible (I am now in 2 John and for some reason I’m reading Job last). I also wanted my motivations to be acceptable.

One event that shook me was the recent hospitalization of Pastor Bob DeWaay of Twin Cities Fellowship. He was taken in to the hospital with a mysterious illness. Days later they found out he has alcoholic hepatitis. Please pray for him and his family through this. This shocked me. I will not gossip on here or give in to speculation. The facts are that he has been drinking alcohol everyday for the past 15 years. It all started when he had trouble sleeping and the problem grew from there. He hid it from his family and friends this whole time and was found out now.

From people who know him well, they do not call his salvation into question. Yes, this may appear to be reveling in sin but we do not know all the details. If you read his materials and listen to him speak, I believe his faith shows through.

He has written extensively on the Emergent movement. He has done large amounts of research. I don’t know if I can use him as a source now in light of recent events. Mostly because I don’t want to be the cause of opening up an opportunity for Emergents to sling mud at him. Partly because I’m not sure if he has maintained credibility.

Another thing that I am dealing with was described in Monday’s post in regards to Tony Jones’ blog. I have no idea how in the world I am going to be able to present a book without me standing in the way of God’s message. There are better voices already out there. There are more intelligent voices already out there.

So, I’ll continue researching because I am learning so much but we’ll see if a book will come out of it. Hey…it’s not like anyone would buy it anyway. I don’t even know how to get a book published.

Zone i was reading Luke 6:20-49 alot of instruction, I pray for the grace
to be pleasing to the Father while im about His business.

Yes you do that if you happen to talk with him say Hi for me

Abiding wrote:Zone i was reading Luke 6:20-49 alot of instruction, I pray for the grace
to be pleasing to the Father while im about His business.

i mike.
yes.
i hear it. it won't be easy.
but i'll give it a whirl.

do you suppose it means lying prophets inside the church too?
i'm asking that seriously: am i supposed to tell a lying prophet i love them and stuff?

someone help me out on this. if that's what Jesus meant, i'll try my hardest to do it.
but i'm a little stumped as to why He would tell us to bless false prophets. paul said to kick them out and Paul actually said that MAN be anathema...not just the false gospel he brings....Paul said the man. so i don't know exactly what to do.

nothing i guess. somebody else'll take care of it(?)

i really need to know this. because i don't want to risk my own eternal well-being over false prophets and deceivers if we're not sposed to say anything.

maybe apostasy and such isnt as serious as i've been making it out to be.

dunno.

see Luke 6 is about PERSONAL enemies...guys that hate ME.

i don't hate anybody, let alone people who hate ME. i dont care if they do or don't

Love Your Enemies
27“But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. 29To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic^b either. 30Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. 31And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

32“If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. 35But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. 36Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.

but i get really STEAMED about lies about the The Lord and the Word.

this is a problem for me because what do i do about it? i want to do whats pleasing to the Lord.
HELP!
use space below for advice please:

easy is for sissys

Abiding wrote:easy is for sissys

so what do i do mike?

did Jesus mean bless false prophets and deceivers?

i need help on this.

Jesus meant love your enemies....like....dont neglect them. Which you dont. You preach the Gospel to them. Tought love. Dont fret zone you're doing a great job.

We dont bless false prophets. No sir-ee.

zone wrote:

so what do i do mike?

did Jesus mean bless false prophets and deceivers?

i need help on this.

We all need help on this Kath. Keep in mind that we're at a distinct disadvantage with our adversaries. We're not yet perfected in our flesh Just the fact that this issue is being discussed here indicates that we all know that we could perhaps handle our frustration at CC a little better. I accept that about myself. But there's never room for compromise when it comes to God's truth. I think I speak for all of us here when I say that more often than not, it's our concern for the new converts and those weak in their faith that makes our hair stand up when we read some of the nonsense being passed off as the gospel. Lord, I pray that you guide each of us here on Doc's forum in love, wisdom, and temperance when opposing those things that are contrary to your Word on CC. When it is solutions we seek, ........pray. Always the best answer for all of us

Hi
About cc, here's the thing don't make it personal and be more articulate. I'll be honest, few times I even go away reminding myself that Gods spirit is alive. I understand the contentious argument about gifts apostles prophets and such but God is still God.
I get pms on cc from third parties who absolutely believe that some don't believe in the power of the Holy Spirit and I tell them it's not the case, all comes down to communicating and being articulate.
I might not be the most appreciated here on wilderness forum, I'm ok with that honestly, but in trying to protect those on milk don't let it curdle in their mouth.
Iv learnt and still learn alot from zone and doc here on wilderness forum and cc, but don't fall for the bait of making it a personal theological battle, as it say in OT offer peace, they reject it don't fret God is for you not against and the battle is His, not by might nor power but by His Spirit.
I love you guys, all my heart, just saddens me at times when I see the bait laid and nibble nibble nibble hooked into personal battles, shouldn't be.
My 2cents
Shalom, blessings
Love Alex

Personally I dont mind a few personal back and forths as long as it doesnt come down to bad slurs.

It's like when you have a group of lads standing around and your kinda ribbing each other and a pecking order always seems to come about.

Sometimes when someone starts getting personal, a bit of fire back in their direction learns 'em.

But I agree that abiding in personality clashes serves little purpose. I often read back on some of my posts and think, if I'd left out all my personal remarks the post woulda had the same effect or better.

Sure doc, I understand what your saying but we have to keep in mind a whole heap of other people read the posts and easily forget the good stuff and fixate on the bad, worst of all is that those on milk see those on meat take strips off each other and either walk away with a bad taste in their mouth or believe that's the way to share the gospel.
I'm a softy lol

Do we win them with kindness? or is it by pointing out how stupid
they are?

Still one of the greatest quotes from Jesus was..and He held His peace.

I thank God He has grace for the slow learners. Seems I need experience to learn. But I can be faithful once ive got a clue. Still searching for clues at cc.

Odd but not hard to understand, I get mail from the other side, are
they bad? or are they merely wrong? Are they prideful heretics? or
are they misled and therefore immature? Are they evil? or just twitts?
I got a ticket yesterday for saying twitt in a post

Noway can i expect anything from some seeing what they feed on.
To fight them with truth will win the arguement and humiliate the opposition. No wonder it gets personal. Alot for me to ponder. It may be
said that its not about me, or to not make it personal. Im confused
about that. Because it is about me and it is personal, even tho im just
a representitive.

let me explain what i mean...about me....if people hate me
the message goes too. Ive seen it.

If they hate the way their treated, many have said they wont accept
the message. Be it right or wrong thats the way it is.

When i say me its just an example, you, him, her. If red goes off
if EG goes stubborn, it all has an impact on the message. So although
I dont have all the answers. Id say it looks like this to me at this time

Behavior 95% message 5% is how the confused folk see it. especially the charismatics, with them its all about visual, emotional, subjectives.

im only venting here, now ill listen

Love you mike,
One thing that stood out what you wrote, "it's about me I make it personal, even though I'm a representative"
That's the thing mike, it's not suppose to be about us but Jesus alone.

I love this quote(author unknown)
"The highest function of the teacher consists not so much in imparting knowledge as in stimulating the pupil in its love and pursuit."

Fight the good fight, all about our personal relationship with Him just as much as sharing the gospel.

i knew it wouldnt come out right....say you were reading a post of mine.
And you saw me hurt someone and hurt the cause. Thats what i meant
by the me. Thats all i meant. I understand what its about, like Paul
becoming all things unto all people that he might save some....am i making
sense?

Our relationship with Him is horizontal and vertical. We may think its Just about Him, but 1 John says otherwise. Maybe i cant express what im trying to say

No you do make sense mike. When I think of horizontal it comes from the vertical aspect that guides us. It's hard I know, honestly I read over whatever I write to post and try and remove me from it but even I fail at times.
On a lighter note:
Hey I got a ticket for telling someone "professor gumpy, the one who thought he knew it all actually knows nothing" of course I was talking about their avatar cause that's who prof gumpy is but that got lost by the offense it cause the person to report me.

well i reckon i'll have my say.

i get a boatload of private pm's and emails from all kinds of ppl.

and what's odd is that they say how much they agree (with Amil, with Charis being deceived by some other spirit, by trolls acting like loving christians)....but then they usually add...but this is between you and me

i think about that sometimes. and i wonder why they tell me that. is it to gain my respect? my favour? to soothe something in them? to impress God?

then think...well maybe they're trying things on for size.

but then i see them on the forum. and i am left with one conclusion for some of them:

they ARE ASHAMED OF THE GOSPEL (which is OFFENSIVE) and they do not appear to believe in the biblical imperitive of separation: from both the world, and from those who teach false doctrine (habitually) >> false teachers....read JUDE.

we are told that a man who is an heretic (WHAT? WHAT A NASTY WORD) he gets two/3 warnings, then he's OUT.

now, that's not my forum, they are not my flock...i'm a woman, and i'm laity. but i still believe every word Jesus and the Apostles said. and i try to obey.

when it comes to THE LOST... i have almost unlimited compassion. i've been strangled before by an angry unbeliever offended by the Cross, the message delivered patiently and in simplicity.
couple years later she and i sat down to together at Communion. no hard feelings. but she wasn't running around telling everybody they needed a second baptism or to speak in unintelligable burblings to be christian.
BUT: when it comes to cowards who refuse to call false doctrine for what it is, refuse to rebuke, and refuse to LEARN, well....
SUE ME.....they come LAST on my list.
eternal fire is not what i want for anybody - but if people are insistent that they want strange fire, i guess that's what they want.

i love. lots of ways. philo, Agape with My God, sentimentality, romantic...
maybe some people don't see it.
some do...but is it about ME?
WE ALREADY DECIDED IT ISN'T about us.
i preach CHRIST CRUCIFIED FOR THE FORGIVENESs OF SINS PLUS NOTHING.



and the rest of my time i spend trying to keep people from the falling away.

maybe they want to fall away.

Oh Kathy, you get so annoyed by it all sweetie. You know I will always encourage a spirit of meekness, to be humble even when under duress. It's where they are at, by all means disengage, let God to the revealing, furthest 18" is from the mind to the heart, bible does say to let a mans own conscious write it on their heart.
All the ones that God knows are truly His He won't let fall away.

You know, for all the good points you put out they quickly forget when you let your offense take over, they don't remember the good things, just the harshness of the rebuke, shouldn't be so. Imagine if Jesus dealt like that with any of us, heaven be empty, nay He would of just obliterated mankind, instead He set His face like flint and endured the pain of the cross, for all, by choice, didn't have to, could have taken His ball and bat and just started afresh but because of love He endured. We're told to endure until the end.

I love you Kathy very much and because of it my heart bleeds when you go front foot back foot when all we are to do is stand and look at everyone thru the eyes of Jesus that carried Him to the cross.
Fathers heart remember, many teachers not many fatherly hearted ones though best of times.

Anyway, like I always tell you - I love you Kathy, please take this as a gentle heart filled reminder. Hey Jesus called Lazarus out of his tomb, told those around Him to take off his death robes and clean him up, do you think they were gentle or harsh cleaning him up, he stinkethed.
Rofl I crack myself up

Mercy is shown to the merciful, judgement to the judgmental

With love and honor (hoping I haven't offended you)
Love
Alex
(that's me in the avatar, eee aaw)

I love you Alex