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Re: The Noahide Laws
by strangelove Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:02 pm
At its fifty-second session, the General Assembly decided to convene the United Nations Diplomatic Conference of Plenipotentiaries on the Establishment of an International Criminal Court, to be held in Rome, Italy, from 15 June to 17 July 1998, "to finalize and adopt a convention on the establishment of an international criminal court".
STATEMENT BY AMBASSADOR ELYAKIM RUBINSTEIN ATTORNEY GENERAL OF ISRAEL HEAD OF ISRAELI DELEGATION
DATE: 17 June 1998
Mr. President,
Let me open by extending to you our warm wishes for your success and the success of this Conference. We would also like to express our appreciation to the Government of Italy for hosting the Conference.
Some fifteen hundred years ago, the sages of the Talmud, the classic Jewish code, sought to distil the moral essence of the Bible into seven fundamental laws, as the basis of a universal morality. Six of these so-called Noachide laws, applying to all mankind, were elementary moral prohibitions: not to murder, not to steal, and so on. But to these negative commandments was added one positive injunction: the commandment to establish courts of justice.
Enforcement is essential, lest criminals evade their punishment.
Today, on the verge of a new millennium, we, representatives of the nations of the world, gather in a effort to fulfill that injunction to establish courts of justice and to see that crimes do not go unpunished.
As we do so, we cannot help but have in our minds the unspeakable Nazi crimes of the Holocaust, in which a third of the Jewish people was exterminated, which first prompted the General Assembly of the United Nations to ask the ILC to consider the establishment of permanent criminal court fifty years ago, and the heinous atrocities that the world has continued to witness in the decades since then. It is no historic coincidence that Israel, emerging from the ashes of the Holocaust, was established fifty years ago.
The last few years, following significant global changes, have seen far more progress towards the establishment of the Court than the decades which preceded them. For this great credit is due to Mr. Adriaan Bos for his skillful stewardship of the Committee and to the dedicated members of the Bureau. We regret his being unable to participate at this time, and wish him a speedy recovery.
However, notwithstanding the recent progress, even a brief glance at the draft Statute that lies before this Conference, and the plethora of options and brackets that it contains, indicates quite how much work is left to be done. The positions of my delegation concerning, the detailed issues left to be resolved have been made clear throughout the preparatory conferences and intersessional meetings, and we will continue to take an active - and I hope constructive - role in the discussions ahead of us.
Needless to day, we wholeheartedly support the sacred mission of prosecuting war criminals. No honest human being can question the necessity of bringing to justice perpetrators of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes, including gender crimes and violence against children. However, the involvement of political bodies in the decision-making process presents built-in problematics. I would venture to propose two general principles that may help us in trying to bridge gaps and find a workable balance to enable the conclusion of the draft Statute.
The first is that the Court must retain a clear focus on the most heinous of international crimes and the non-availability of national criminal justice. We should keep in mind that the Court, in the language of the Preamble to the Statute, is to be: "complementary to the national criminal justice systems in cases where such trial procedures may not be available or effective---. In other words, our goal is not so much the effectiveness of the Court, as the effectiveness of the international legal system as a whole. Where effective national procedures are available, the establishment of alternative jurisdiction is not only unnecessary, but it may even diminish their effectiveness.
The second principle is the need to exercise utmost caution in trying to ensure the objectivity and impartiality of the Court. This is crucial not only in order to ensure the effectiveness of the Court, but also in order to encourage the community of states to accept this new organ as an integral and valuable part of the international scene.
Inevitably, the fact that complaints are to be filed by states creates the possibility that the investigative procedure may be abused for political ends. It may be impossible to eliminate this danger entirely, but it is the hope of my delegation that it may be reduced by establishing more stringent criteria for the filing of a complaint than are currently proposed by the ILC draft.
By the same token, while we support the strong standing and independent position of the prosecutor, we feel that this independence should not be put in jeopardy by giving the prosecutor the power to initiate ex officio investigations, which may invite undue and improper influence.
In the context of the dangers of politicisation, I would also observe that my delegation is not persuaded that the conditions are yet ripe for the inclusion of the crime of aggression within the Statute of the Court. The clear lack of consensus with regard to an acceptable definition of the crime, together with the political sensitivity inherent in any attempt to reach such a definition give us cause to fear that it would be too easily manipulated for political ends. This fear, I would add, is borne out by some of the proposed definitions contained in the draft before us.
These comments stem from a single concern: to ensure, to the utmost possible, that the noble ideal which is the drive behind our efforts, does not turn into yet another arena of international politics. We have enough such arenas; we are here striving for a very different goal.
As regards the issue of terrorism, it is a menace to mankind which is of great concern to us, being among its victims and among the nations which have combatted it. In considering whether the Court should play a role in the fight against terrorism, my delegation feels that the Conference must find the correct balance between recognizing terrorism as an international crime, and focusing on the most practical and effective means of cooperation in bringing international terrorists to justice.
In conclusion, let me express the earnest hope of my delegation that the work of this Conference will be practical and productive; the task is difficult and sometimes one may feel that we are trying to square the circle. It is our hope that the great torch carried here will shed fight on the tough issues that may seem like an uphill battle. It is our wholehearted wish that, in the face of the appalling crimes that we continue to witness, this Conference will help us to channel our outrage to justice, to break the cycle of impunity, and, in the words of the prophet Amos, to "let justice well up like a fountain".
LINK: U.N.org
STATEMENT BY AMBASSADOR ELYAKIM RUBINSTEIN ATTORNEY GENERAL OF ISRAEL HEAD OF ISRAELI DELEGATION
DATE: 17 June 1998
Mr. President,
Let me open by extending to you our warm wishes for your success and the success of this Conference. We would also like to express our appreciation to the Government of Italy for hosting the Conference.
Some fifteen hundred years ago, the sages of the Talmud, the classic Jewish code, sought to distil the moral essence of the Bible into seven fundamental laws, as the basis of a universal morality. Six of these so-called Noachide laws, applying to all mankind, were elementary moral prohibitions: not to murder, not to steal, and so on. But to these negative commandments was added one positive injunction: the commandment to establish courts of justice.
Enforcement is essential, lest criminals evade their punishment.
Today, on the verge of a new millennium, we, representatives of the nations of the world, gather in a effort to fulfill that injunction to establish courts of justice and to see that crimes do not go unpunished.
As we do so, we cannot help but have in our minds the unspeakable Nazi crimes of the Holocaust, in which a third of the Jewish people was exterminated, which first prompted the General Assembly of the United Nations to ask the ILC to consider the establishment of permanent criminal court fifty years ago, and the heinous atrocities that the world has continued to witness in the decades since then. It is no historic coincidence that Israel, emerging from the ashes of the Holocaust, was established fifty years ago.
The last few years, following significant global changes, have seen far more progress towards the establishment of the Court than the decades which preceded them. For this great credit is due to Mr. Adriaan Bos for his skillful stewardship of the Committee and to the dedicated members of the Bureau. We regret his being unable to participate at this time, and wish him a speedy recovery.
However, notwithstanding the recent progress, even a brief glance at the draft Statute that lies before this Conference, and the plethora of options and brackets that it contains, indicates quite how much work is left to be done. The positions of my delegation concerning, the detailed issues left to be resolved have been made clear throughout the preparatory conferences and intersessional meetings, and we will continue to take an active - and I hope constructive - role in the discussions ahead of us.
Needless to day, we wholeheartedly support the sacred mission of prosecuting war criminals. No honest human being can question the necessity of bringing to justice perpetrators of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes, including gender crimes and violence against children. However, the involvement of political bodies in the decision-making process presents built-in problematics. I would venture to propose two general principles that may help us in trying to bridge gaps and find a workable balance to enable the conclusion of the draft Statute.
The first is that the Court must retain a clear focus on the most heinous of international crimes and the non-availability of national criminal justice. We should keep in mind that the Court, in the language of the Preamble to the Statute, is to be: "complementary to the national criminal justice systems in cases where such trial procedures may not be available or effective---. In other words, our goal is not so much the effectiveness of the Court, as the effectiveness of the international legal system as a whole. Where effective national procedures are available, the establishment of alternative jurisdiction is not only unnecessary, but it may even diminish their effectiveness.
The second principle is the need to exercise utmost caution in trying to ensure the objectivity and impartiality of the Court. This is crucial not only in order to ensure the effectiveness of the Court, but also in order to encourage the community of states to accept this new organ as an integral and valuable part of the international scene.
Inevitably, the fact that complaints are to be filed by states creates the possibility that the investigative procedure may be abused for political ends. It may be impossible to eliminate this danger entirely, but it is the hope of my delegation that it may be reduced by establishing more stringent criteria for the filing of a complaint than are currently proposed by the ILC draft.
By the same token, while we support the strong standing and independent position of the prosecutor, we feel that this independence should not be put in jeopardy by giving the prosecutor the power to initiate ex officio investigations, which may invite undue and improper influence.
In the context of the dangers of politicisation, I would also observe that my delegation is not persuaded that the conditions are yet ripe for the inclusion of the crime of aggression within the Statute of the Court. The clear lack of consensus with regard to an acceptable definition of the crime, together with the political sensitivity inherent in any attempt to reach such a definition give us cause to fear that it would be too easily manipulated for political ends. This fear, I would add, is borne out by some of the proposed definitions contained in the draft before us.
These comments stem from a single concern: to ensure, to the utmost possible, that the noble ideal which is the drive behind our efforts, does not turn into yet another arena of international politics. We have enough such arenas; we are here striving for a very different goal.
As regards the issue of terrorism, it is a menace to mankind which is of great concern to us, being among its victims and among the nations which have combatted it. In considering whether the Court should play a role in the fight against terrorism, my delegation feels that the Conference must find the correct balance between recognizing terrorism as an international crime, and focusing on the most practical and effective means of cooperation in bringing international terrorists to justice.
In conclusion, let me express the earnest hope of my delegation that the work of this Conference will be practical and productive; the task is difficult and sometimes one may feel that we are trying to square the circle. It is our hope that the great torch carried here will shed fight on the tough issues that may seem like an uphill battle. It is our wholehearted wish that, in the face of the appalling crimes that we continue to witness, this Conference will help us to channel our outrage to justice, to break the cycle of impunity, and, in the words of the prophet Amos, to "let justice well up like a fountain".
LINK: U.N.org
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Re: The Noahide Laws
by strangelove Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:35 pm
FROM - Jewish Law - Press Release
The Tree of Life Society of Cardozo Law School and the Leonard and Bea Diener Institute of Jewish Law present a symposium on...
"THE APPLICATION OF THE NOACHIDE CODE TO CONTEMPORARY SOCIAL PROBLEMS."
The Noachide Code (also known as the "Sheva Mitzvos Bnei Noach," or the Seven Laws of Noah) is a set of basic social, moral, and legal principles, described in the Babylonian Talmud as binding on all human societies. In effect, it is a universal code of law prescribed by the Torah of Israel for humanity. Since the Code is the most explicit statement in Jewish jurisprudence regarding the normative condition of non-Jewish society, it represents an essential framework for discussion of the Jewish perspective on the appropriate elements of non-Jewish legal systems.
Despite the obvious significance of the Noachide Code, both as an academic inquiry for students of Jewish civilization and as a source of universal moral values, the Code remains an obscure topic.
In previous generations, the precarious or outright hostile conditions in which world Jewry survived precluded any public discussion of the Code. In our generation, however, discussion of the Code both in print and on the internet has increased noticeably. The last two decades have witnessed a dramatic increase in the number of both rabbinical and academic writings as well as the new phenomenon of books and web pages written for a lay or popular readership.
This latter category is particularly noteworthy because it corresponds to an unprecedented historical development: the emergence of a population of gentiles seeking to conduct their lives according to the Noachide Code. In the context of an ever-increasing number of such individuals, the absence of practical directives for the Noachides becomes a serious issue.
In 1991, the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law, of Yeshiva University, hosted a symposium on religious law and legal pluralism. This event included presentations by some of the world's foremost experts on the Noachide Code, later published in Volume 12 of the Cardozo Law Review.
Now, the Chevras Etz Chaim/Tree of Life Society and the Leonard and Bea Diener Institute of Jewish Law present a symposium designed to promote further scholarly investigation of the Noachide Code. This forum will focus exclusively on the Code and will feature many of the foremost scholars and experts from around the world..
BENJAMIN N. CARDOZO SCHOOL OF LAW · YESHIVA UNIVERSITY
55 FIFTH AVENUE (BETWEEN 12TH AND 13TH STREETS)
TIME: 4:00-5:30, BREAK, 7:00-8:30
THE SYMPOSIUM IS FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC,
ALTHOUGH REGISTRATION IS REQUIRED. TO REGISTER CALL: 212-790-0407
--------------------------------------------
BENJAMIN N. CARDOZO SCHOOL OF LAW · YESHIVA UNIVERSITY
From - Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law - WIKI
The Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law is the law school of Yeshiva University, located in the New York City borough of Manhattan. The school is named for Supreme Court Justice Benjamin N. Cardozo. Cardozo's success as a young school has been remarkable, leading some to characterize Cardozo as a "rising star" among law schools.
~~~~
Cardozo was the second Jew, after Louis Brandeis, to be appointed to the Supreme Court
The Tree of Life Society of Cardozo Law School and the Leonard and Bea Diener Institute of Jewish Law present a symposium on...
"THE APPLICATION OF THE NOACHIDE CODE TO CONTEMPORARY SOCIAL PROBLEMS."
The Noachide Code (also known as the "Sheva Mitzvos Bnei Noach," or the Seven Laws of Noah) is a set of basic social, moral, and legal principles, described in the Babylonian Talmud as binding on all human societies. In effect, it is a universal code of law prescribed by the Torah of Israel for humanity. Since the Code is the most explicit statement in Jewish jurisprudence regarding the normative condition of non-Jewish society, it represents an essential framework for discussion of the Jewish perspective on the appropriate elements of non-Jewish legal systems.
Despite the obvious significance of the Noachide Code, both as an academic inquiry for students of Jewish civilization and as a source of universal moral values, the Code remains an obscure topic.
In previous generations, the precarious or outright hostile conditions in which world Jewry survived precluded any public discussion of the Code. In our generation, however, discussion of the Code both in print and on the internet has increased noticeably. The last two decades have witnessed a dramatic increase in the number of both rabbinical and academic writings as well as the new phenomenon of books and web pages written for a lay or popular readership.
This latter category is particularly noteworthy because it corresponds to an unprecedented historical development: the emergence of a population of gentiles seeking to conduct their lives according to the Noachide Code. In the context of an ever-increasing number of such individuals, the absence of practical directives for the Noachides becomes a serious issue.
In 1991, the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law, of Yeshiva University, hosted a symposium on religious law and legal pluralism. This event included presentations by some of the world's foremost experts on the Noachide Code, later published in Volume 12 of the Cardozo Law Review.
Now, the Chevras Etz Chaim/Tree of Life Society and the Leonard and Bea Diener Institute of Jewish Law present a symposium designed to promote further scholarly investigation of the Noachide Code. This forum will focus exclusively on the Code and will feature many of the foremost scholars and experts from around the world..
BENJAMIN N. CARDOZO SCHOOL OF LAW · YESHIVA UNIVERSITY
55 FIFTH AVENUE (BETWEEN 12TH AND 13TH STREETS)
TIME: 4:00-5:30, BREAK, 7:00-8:30
THE SYMPOSIUM IS FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC,
ALTHOUGH REGISTRATION IS REQUIRED. TO REGISTER CALL: 212-790-0407
--------------------------------------------
BENJAMIN N. CARDOZO SCHOOL OF LAW · YESHIVA UNIVERSITY
From - Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law - WIKI
The Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law is the law school of Yeshiva University, located in the New York City borough of Manhattan. The school is named for Supreme Court Justice Benjamin N. Cardozo. Cardozo's success as a young school has been remarkable, leading some to characterize Cardozo as a "rising star" among law schools.
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Cardozo was the second Jew, after Louis Brandeis, to be appointed to the Supreme Court
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Re: The Noahide Laws
by zone Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:01 pm
Strangelove wrote:STATEMENT BY AMBASSADOR ELYAKIM RUBINSTEIN ATTORNEY GENERAL OF ISRAEL HEAD OF ISRAELI DELEGATION
To the General Assembly of the United Nations
i've done little edit to the speech....how's this?
Mr. President,
Enforcement is essential, lest criminals evade their punishment.
As we do so, we cannot help but have in our minds the unspeakable crimes of the Holocaust, ......and the heinous atrocities that the world has continued to witness in the decades since then. It is no historic coincidence that Israel was established fifty years ago.
Needless to day, we wholeheartedly support the sacred mission of prosecuting war criminals. No honest human being can question the necessity of bringing to justice perpetrators of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes, including gender crimes and violence against children. .....
in the words of the prophet Amos, to "let justice well up like a fountain".
LET'S GET STARTED THEN, SHALL WE?
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Re: The Noahide Laws
by strangelove Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:05 pm
How Can We Achieve World Peace?
by Rav B. Horovitz
~SNIP~
(c) There is an absence of an absolute code of justice. Instead, this is replaced by a relative righteousness which is often corrupted by tyrants and false environmental trends. There is often no real freedom or equality, which is witnessed by unjust discrimination against minorities, races, classes and groups.
The Universal Noachaide Code As stated in the Bible (Genesis 9:1-7) and Talmud, the Universal Noachide code is a guide to general ethics and also international relations which would remedy these inadequacies:
The recognition of a Universal, Supra-national code would replace national sovereignty.
The fulfillment of the Code would be undressed to be a collective responsibility.
The Universal Code would operate between individuals as well as between states. Therefore it would apply equally to internal affairs, and under its rule, stateless and foreign individuals would be protected.
Such a world government could take the form of a World Federation, a loose bi-polar system, or a wider balance of national groups.
The seven principles of the Universal Noachaide Code are presented below, combined with an application of these principles to a world governing body.
1. The principle of justice should rule all nations. For only by this means, can the integrity of international judicial procedure be upheld. The arbitration of disputes should be attempted. Nations who recognize the Universal Code are members of the world Government, and should unite to protect it. World-wide education should be pursued. Majority rule would be decisive. Individual procedure would be conducted with the greatest of integrity. Every case should be brought to trial; all evidence produced; bribery prohibited. Protection would be given to minorities, aliens and weak parties.
~SNIP~
Application of the Universal Code Today
Hugo Grotius and John Selden describe the Nochaide Code as the source of the International Law which they are credited with founding. "The Noachide Code contains no creed, no theoretic statement about the nature of G-d, belief in which is the condition of salvation. It consists of solely of such articles of practical morality as are an essential condition of civilized life. This is reflected in the use made of it from the tenth to the seventeenth century. In the hands of the Purists, it became one of the main elements in the foundation of the edifice of Universal International Law." (Leon Roth)
[LIES......LIES LIES LIES!]
The United Nations Organization is striving to fulfill many of the principles of the Universal Code. The UN could well develop into an agency for implementing the Noachide Code, and bringing it to universal acceptance, as the basis for true harmonious International Relations.
World government based on the Universal Code of G-d could be introduced and maintained by a minimum use of force. Since the discipline and education of such a lifestyle is basically pacifist, little or no force would be required to maintain it.
What better approach for universal peace?
LINK:How Can We Achieve World Peace? by Rav B. Horovitz
-----------------------------------
by Rav B. Horovitz
~SNIP~
(c) There is an absence of an absolute code of justice. Instead, this is replaced by a relative righteousness which is often corrupted by tyrants and false environmental trends. There is often no real freedom or equality, which is witnessed by unjust discrimination against minorities, races, classes and groups.
The Universal Noachaide Code As stated in the Bible (Genesis 9:1-7) and Talmud, the Universal Noachide code is a guide to general ethics and also international relations which would remedy these inadequacies:
The recognition of a Universal, Supra-national code would replace national sovereignty.
The fulfillment of the Code would be undressed to be a collective responsibility.
The Universal Code would operate between individuals as well as between states. Therefore it would apply equally to internal affairs, and under its rule, stateless and foreign individuals would be protected.
Such a world government could take the form of a World Federation, a loose bi-polar system, or a wider balance of national groups.
The seven principles of the Universal Noachaide Code are presented below, combined with an application of these principles to a world governing body.
1. The principle of justice should rule all nations. For only by this means, can the integrity of international judicial procedure be upheld. The arbitration of disputes should be attempted. Nations who recognize the Universal Code are members of the world Government, and should unite to protect it. World-wide education should be pursued. Majority rule would be decisive. Individual procedure would be conducted with the greatest of integrity. Every case should be brought to trial; all evidence produced; bribery prohibited. Protection would be given to minorities, aliens and weak parties.
~SNIP~
Application of the Universal Code Today
Hugo Grotius and John Selden describe the Nochaide Code as the source of the International Law which they are credited with founding. "The Noachide Code contains no creed, no theoretic statement about the nature of G-d, belief in which is the condition of salvation. It consists of solely of such articles of practical morality as are an essential condition of civilized life. This is reflected in the use made of it from the tenth to the seventeenth century. In the hands of the Purists, it became one of the main elements in the foundation of the edifice of Universal International Law." (Leon Roth)
[LIES......LIES LIES LIES!]
The United Nations Organization is striving to fulfill many of the principles of the Universal Code. The UN could well develop into an agency for implementing the Noachide Code, and bringing it to universal acceptance, as the basis for true harmonious International Relations.
World government based on the Universal Code of G-d could be introduced and maintained by a minimum use of force. Since the discipline and education of such a lifestyle is basically pacifist, little or no force would be required to maintain it.
What better approach for universal peace?
LINK:How Can We Achieve World Peace? by Rav B. Horovitz
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Re: The Noahide Laws
by strangelove Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:22 pm
Rav B. Horovitz is PRINCIPAL of the Jerusalem Centre for Jewish Studies.
Here - http://dvar.org.il/
Lolz! Touting for World Governement run by the Noahide Laws that prescribe death for Christians.
Can....you.....be...more BUSTED than that??
Here - http://dvar.org.il/
Lolz! Touting for World Governement run by the Noahide Laws that prescribe death for Christians.
Can....you.....be...more BUSTED than that??
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Re: The Noahide Laws
by strangelove Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:20 pm
NOACHITE, OR PRUSSIAN KNIGHT
The Twenty-first Grade of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, and the Third Degree of the Historical and Philosophical Series.
ARGUMENT
Whosoever hath been wronged by the great, or oppressed by the powerful; whosoever hath been unjustly accused, or his household outraged; whosoever hath fallen into the hands of corrupt judges; whosoever hath suffered by bribery or extortion; let him come freely forward and prefer his complaint, and right shall be done him by the Grand Chapter of Prussian Knights, from whose judgment there is no appeal; - coming from the North and the South, the East and the West, to hear the complaints of the oppressed, judge the guilty, and teach men how to be free.
As Knight and Mason, it is our bounden duty to shield and protect the innocent, as it is to assist the distressed ; and that, while rendering justice, we remember our vows, believing all guiltless until convicted; and yet, while it is the obligation that formally makes a Mason, a violation of that vow by an overt guilty or wilful act dissolves the knot of our alliance, and, without the form of trial, we cease to be of the Brotherhood.
Whatever be our rank, if we wilfully err, we have no claims upon a brother or the Order, either in sustaining us in that error - whatever may be its advantages - or in relieving us from its consequences.
The members are denominated Knights or Prussian Masons. The mysteries for the initiation are only to be celebrated when the moon is at its full. None to be admitted but Masons. At the time of the Crusades the Knights of the various nations were confederated in Palestine, and mutually communicated their secrets in Masonry. The Prussian Knights initiated the Christian Princes and their attendants who were Masons.
RECEPTION
~SNIP~
L. C. Dost thou agree and promise that thou wilt be just and righteous, and in all things strive to emulate that Patriarch from whom we take the name of Noachites; who, alone with his family, was found worthy to be saved, when God destroyed mankind with the Deluge?
Candidate. I promise so to do.
L. C. Dost thou promise, as a member of this Tribunal, to give righteous judgment only, against all persons whomsoever; to, be impartial between the high and the low; to be cautious and slow to determine, and prompt to execute; to smite the oppressor and the wrong-doer, and protect the widow, the orphan, the poor, and the helpless; to be swayed neither by bribe nor fear, nor favor nor affection; and still to temper justice with mere , remembering that there is no man who doth not err and sin?
Candidate. I promise so to do.
LINK: The Web of Hiram - University of Bradford
-----------------------------------------------------
So we see here that the Noachite degree of freemasonry is all about courts and justice and meating out punishment and so forth. And the Noahide laws seem to be all about setting up courts of justice too. Hmmm...
Heres their fancy freemasonry gear for that degree:
Lol.....once you put the front apron over the other you get the star of remphan.
Yoinks heres the badge for that degree:
Is becoming a Noahide, to be initiated and fast tracked straight into the judiciary and legal arm of Scottish Rite freemasonry?
Interesting to note that the next level up is 22nd degree Knight of the Royal Axe (chill.....executioner??) and after that comes 23rd degree Chief of the Tabernacle (Court supreme judge?).
The Twenty-first Grade of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, and the Third Degree of the Historical and Philosophical Series.
ARGUMENT
Whosoever hath been wronged by the great, or oppressed by the powerful; whosoever hath been unjustly accused, or his household outraged; whosoever hath fallen into the hands of corrupt judges; whosoever hath suffered by bribery or extortion; let him come freely forward and prefer his complaint, and right shall be done him by the Grand Chapter of Prussian Knights, from whose judgment there is no appeal; - coming from the North and the South, the East and the West, to hear the complaints of the oppressed, judge the guilty, and teach men how to be free.
As Knight and Mason, it is our bounden duty to shield and protect the innocent, as it is to assist the distressed ; and that, while rendering justice, we remember our vows, believing all guiltless until convicted; and yet, while it is the obligation that formally makes a Mason, a violation of that vow by an overt guilty or wilful act dissolves the knot of our alliance, and, without the form of trial, we cease to be of the Brotherhood.
Whatever be our rank, if we wilfully err, we have no claims upon a brother or the Order, either in sustaining us in that error - whatever may be its advantages - or in relieving us from its consequences.
The members are denominated Knights or Prussian Masons. The mysteries for the initiation are only to be celebrated when the moon is at its full. None to be admitted but Masons. At the time of the Crusades the Knights of the various nations were confederated in Palestine, and mutually communicated their secrets in Masonry. The Prussian Knights initiated the Christian Princes and their attendants who were Masons.
RECEPTION
~SNIP~
L. C. Dost thou agree and promise that thou wilt be just and righteous, and in all things strive to emulate that Patriarch from whom we take the name of Noachites; who, alone with his family, was found worthy to be saved, when God destroyed mankind with the Deluge?
Candidate. I promise so to do.
L. C. Dost thou promise, as a member of this Tribunal, to give righteous judgment only, against all persons whomsoever; to, be impartial between the high and the low; to be cautious and slow to determine, and prompt to execute; to smite the oppressor and the wrong-doer, and protect the widow, the orphan, the poor, and the helpless; to be swayed neither by bribe nor fear, nor favor nor affection; and still to temper justice with mere , remembering that there is no man who doth not err and sin?
Candidate. I promise so to do.
LINK: The Web of Hiram - University of Bradford
-----------------------------------------------------
So we see here that the Noachite degree of freemasonry is all about courts and justice and meating out punishment and so forth. And the Noahide laws seem to be all about setting up courts of justice too. Hmmm...
Heres their fancy freemasonry gear for that degree:
Lol.....once you put the front apron over the other you get the star of remphan.
Yoinks heres the badge for that degree:
Is becoming a Noahide, to be initiated and fast tracked straight into the judiciary and legal arm of Scottish Rite freemasonry?
Interesting to note that the next level up is 22nd degree Knight of the Royal Axe (chill.....executioner??) and after that comes 23rd degree Chief of the Tabernacle (Court supreme judge?).
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Re: The Noahide Laws
by zone Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:38 pm
doc could you flesh this stuff out a bit Re: the degrees.
i'll help
not for the interest in masonry, which is almost through its usefulness, but more for the manifestation of it in noahidism
i'll help
not for the interest in masonry, which is almost through its usefulness, but more for the manifestation of it in noahidism
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Re: The Noahide Laws
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COUNCIL OF KADOSH
IV. COUNCIL OF KADOSH
19. Grand Pontiff
20. Grand Master of Symbolic Lodges
21. Noachite, or Prussian Knight
22. Knight of the Royal Ax, or Prince of
23. Chief of the Tabernacle
24. Prince of the Tabernacle
25. Knight of the Brazen Serpent
26. Prince of Mercy
27. Knight Commander of the Temple
28. Knight of the Sun, or Prince Adept
29. Grand Scottish Knight of Saint Andrew
30. Knight Kadosh
http://realityresearch.wordpress.com/2009/01/03/the-jesuits-clermont-college-the-stuarts-advanced-degree-freemasonry/
IV. COUNCIL OF KADOSH
19. Grand Pontiff
20. Grand Master of Symbolic Lodges
21. Noachite, or Prussian Knight
22. Knight of the Royal Ax, or Prince of
23. Chief of the Tabernacle
24. Prince of the Tabernacle
25. Knight of the Brazen Serpent
26. Prince of Mercy
27. Knight Commander of the Temple
28. Knight of the Sun, or Prince Adept
29. Grand Scottish Knight of Saint Andrew
30. Knight Kadosh
http://realityresearch.wordpress.com/2009/01/03/the-jesuits-clermont-college-the-stuarts-advanced-degree-freemasonry/
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Re: The Noahide Laws
by strangelove Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:54 am
Support for the spread of the Seven Noahide Commandments
In January 2004, the spiritual leader of the Druze community in Israel, Shaykh Mowafak Tarif, signed a declaration calling on all non-Jews in Israel to observe the Seven Noahide Laws as laid down in the Bible and expounded upon in Jewish tradition. The mayor of the Galilean city of Shefa-'Amr also signed the document.[16] The declaration includes the commitment to make a "...better humane world based on the Seven Noahide Commandments and the values they represent commanded by the Creator to all mankind through Moses on Mount Sinai."Support for the spread of the Seven Noahide Commandments.
In January 2004, the spiritual leader of the Druze community in Israel, Shaykh Mowafak Tarif, signed a declaration calling on all non-Jews in Israel to observe the Seven Noahide Laws as laid down in the Bible and expounded upon in Jewish tradition. The mayor of the Galilean city of Shefa-'Amr also signed the document.[16] The declaration includes the commitment to make a "...better humane world based on the Seven Noahide Commandments and the values they represent commanded by the Creator to all mankind through Moses on Mount Sinai."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Druze
Behind the efforts to spread awareness of the Torah's Seven Universal Laws is Rabbi Boaz Kali, of the directors of Chabad-Lubavitch institutions in the Krayot area of Haifa and the chairman of the Worldwide Committee for the Seven Noahide Commandments. The recent signature by Sheikh Tarif is part of Rabbi Kali's ongoing efforts among Israel 's non-Jewish community. In the past few years, Rabbi Kali's organization has placed roadside ads in Arabic calling for observance of the Noahide Laws, as well as distributing Arabic-language pamphlets on the subject among Arabs in Israel and the Palestinian Authority.
http://www.noahide.org/article.asp?Level=128&Parent=342
Rabbi Boaz Kali (right) with Rabbi Yakov D. Cohen who was the guy touting the Noahides with Mr. Joop Theunissen (U.N.) at the “Unity, Youth and World Peace" conference in New York.
In January 2004, the spiritual leader of the Druze community in Israel, Shaykh Mowafak Tarif, signed a declaration calling on all non-Jews in Israel to observe the Seven Noahide Laws as laid down in the Bible and expounded upon in Jewish tradition. The mayor of the Galilean city of Shefa-'Amr also signed the document.[16] The declaration includes the commitment to make a "...better humane world based on the Seven Noahide Commandments and the values they represent commanded by the Creator to all mankind through Moses on Mount Sinai."Support for the spread of the Seven Noahide Commandments.
In January 2004, the spiritual leader of the Druze community in Israel, Shaykh Mowafak Tarif, signed a declaration calling on all non-Jews in Israel to observe the Seven Noahide Laws as laid down in the Bible and expounded upon in Jewish tradition. The mayor of the Galilean city of Shefa-'Amr also signed the document.[16] The declaration includes the commitment to make a "...better humane world based on the Seven Noahide Commandments and the values they represent commanded by the Creator to all mankind through Moses on Mount Sinai."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Druze
Behind the efforts to spread awareness of the Torah's Seven Universal Laws is Rabbi Boaz Kali, of the directors of Chabad-Lubavitch institutions in the Krayot area of Haifa and the chairman of the Worldwide Committee for the Seven Noahide Commandments. The recent signature by Sheikh Tarif is part of Rabbi Kali's ongoing efforts among Israel 's non-Jewish community. In the past few years, Rabbi Kali's organization has placed roadside ads in Arabic calling for observance of the Noahide Laws, as well as distributing Arabic-language pamphlets on the subject among Arabs in Israel and the Palestinian Authority.
http://www.noahide.org/article.asp?Level=128&Parent=342
Rabbi Boaz Kali (right) with Rabbi Yakov D. Cohen who was the guy touting the Noahides with Mr. Joop Theunissen (U.N.) at the “Unity, Youth and World Peace" conference in New York.
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Re: The Noahide Laws
by strangelove Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:56 am
zone wrote:doc could you flesh this stuff out a bit Re: the degrees.
i'll help
not for the interest in masonry, which is almost through its usefulness, but more for the manifestation of it in noahidism
I may do so further in the freemason thread my darling. I want to keep hammering on with the Noahide Laws here, gathering material.
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Re: The Noahide Laws
by strangelove Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:23 am
Rely by the Christian Law Association to a concerned Christian regarding the Noahide Laws:
From: Barbara Weller
To: infosam@bellsouth.net
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:50 AM
Subject: Noahide laws
Thank you for your question to the Christian Law Association regarding the Noahide laws. Unfortunately, this is one of those "based in some truth" Internet misrepresentations, such as those that flourished in years past with regard to Madeline Murray O'Hare. The Resolution which you referenced is similar to many the Congress passes to honor various Americans on occasions such as their birthdays.
In fact, the Noahide laws are those laws in the Old Testament, which many scholars, including William Blackstone, the primary expounder on the Common Law in the days before the American Revolution, believe are the basis for the Western jurisprudence enacted into our Constitution.
These Noahide laws are thought by these scholars to be legal tenants for every nation and civilization--not just the nation of Israel. The laws in the Old Testament have been divided by scholars who study these things into those laws just meant for Israel (i.e. laws regarding eating pork, etc.) and those laws that are more universal (such as laws against murder and theft).
So there is no cause for alarm on 2 levels: (1) The Resolution process is a common occurence, not the enacting of a law; and (2) the Noahide laws are not Jewish laws.
Second Reply:
I am sorry that we are not able to help you. Resolutions honoring many folks are regularly passed by the Congress with no intention of affecting any other Americans. The laws in the Old Testament that are recognized by scholars as the Noahide laws are not referenced by that word in the Scriptures. Noahide is merely the word that Bible and legal scholars use to distinquish them from the Mosaic laws, which are those laws introduced by God through Moses specifically for the nation of Israel and not for all nations. The Noahide laws were pre-Mosaic laws (hence the use of the word Noah, who was the father of many nations--not just Israel) although some laws are classified as both. Similarly, the Holy Scriptures never use the exact word "Trinity" to describe the "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" but the concept is there.
I am sure that this is not the answer you wanted to hear, however, the good news for you is that this is not something you need to worry about.
Sincerely,
Barbara J. Weller
Admitted in Florida
Gibbs Law Firm, P.A.
5666 Seminole Blvd., Suite 2
Seminole, FL 33772
(727) 399-8300
Fax (727) 398-3907
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Staggering. But at the same time...not surprising at all.
From: Barbara Weller
To: infosam@bellsouth.net
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:50 AM
Subject: Noahide laws
Thank you for your question to the Christian Law Association regarding the Noahide laws. Unfortunately, this is one of those "based in some truth" Internet misrepresentations, such as those that flourished in years past with regard to Madeline Murray O'Hare. The Resolution which you referenced is similar to many the Congress passes to honor various Americans on occasions such as their birthdays.
In fact, the Noahide laws are those laws in the Old Testament, which many scholars, including William Blackstone, the primary expounder on the Common Law in the days before the American Revolution, believe are the basis for the Western jurisprudence enacted into our Constitution.
These Noahide laws are thought by these scholars to be legal tenants for every nation and civilization--not just the nation of Israel. The laws in the Old Testament have been divided by scholars who study these things into those laws just meant for Israel (i.e. laws regarding eating pork, etc.) and those laws that are more universal (such as laws against murder and theft).
So there is no cause for alarm on 2 levels: (1) The Resolution process is a common occurence, not the enacting of a law; and (2) the Noahide laws are not Jewish laws.
Second Reply:
I am sorry that we are not able to help you. Resolutions honoring many folks are regularly passed by the Congress with no intention of affecting any other Americans. The laws in the Old Testament that are recognized by scholars as the Noahide laws are not referenced by that word in the Scriptures. Noahide is merely the word that Bible and legal scholars use to distinquish them from the Mosaic laws, which are those laws introduced by God through Moses specifically for the nation of Israel and not for all nations. The Noahide laws were pre-Mosaic laws (hence the use of the word Noah, who was the father of many nations--not just Israel) although some laws are classified as both. Similarly, the Holy Scriptures never use the exact word "Trinity" to describe the "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" but the concept is there.
I am sure that this is not the answer you wanted to hear, however, the good news for you is that this is not something you need to worry about.
Sincerely,
Barbara J. Weller
Admitted in Florida
Gibbs Law Firm, P.A.
5666 Seminole Blvd., Suite 2
Seminole, FL 33772
(727) 399-8300
Fax (727) 398-3907
===============================
Staggering. But at the same time...not surprising at all.
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Re: The Noahide Laws
by zone Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:44 pm
back in 02.Strangelove wrote:Rely by the Christian Law Association to a concerned Christian regarding the Noahide Laws:
From: Barbara Weller
To: infosam@bellsouth.net
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:50 AM
Subject: Noahide laws
Thank you for your question to the Christian Law Association regarding the Noahide laws. Unfortunately, this is one of those "based in some truth" Internet misrepresentations, such as those that flourished in years past with regard to Madeline Murray O'Hare. The Resolution which you referenced is similar to many the Congress passes to honor various Americans on occasions such as their birthdays.
In fact, the Noahide laws are those laws in the Old Testament, which many scholars, including William Blackstone, the primary expounder on the Common Law in the days before the American Revolution, believe are the basis for the Western jurisprudence enacted into our Constitution.
These Noahide laws are thought by these scholars to be legal tenants for every nation and civilization--not just the nation of Israel. The laws in the Old Testament have been divided by scholars who study these things into those laws just meant for Israel (i.e. laws regarding eating pork, etc.) and those laws that are more universal (such as laws against murder and theft).
So there is no cause for alarm on 2 levels: (1) The Resolution process is a common occurence, not the enacting of a law; and (2) the Noahide laws are not Jewish laws.
Second Reply:
I am sorry that we are not able to help you. Resolutions honoring many folks are regularly passed by the Congress with no intention of affecting any other Americans. The laws in the Old Testament that are recognized by scholars as the Noahide laws are not referenced by that word in the Scriptures. Noahide is merely the word that Bible and legal scholars use to distinquish them from the Mosaic laws, which are those laws introduced by God through Moses specifically for the nation of Israel and not for all nations. The Noahide laws were pre-Mosaic laws (hence the use of the word Noah, who was the father of many nations--not just Israel) although some laws are classified as both. Similarly, the Holy Scriptures never use the exact word "Trinity" to describe the "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" but the concept is there.
I am sure that this is not the answer you wanted to hear, however, the good news for you is that this is not something you need to worry about.
Sincerely,
Barbara J. Weller
Admitted in Florida
Gibbs Law Firm, P.A.
5666 Seminole Blvd., Suite 2
Seminole, FL 33772
(727) 399-8300
Fax (727) 398-3907
===============================
Staggering. But at the same time...not surprising at all.
i wonder what they would say now.
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Re: The Noahide Laws
by strangelove Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:03 pm
Jusp posting this from the blog of a Noahide to show the folly of observing ORAL law:
"I saw on the news today that IKEA has stopped buying feathers for their pillows from certain suppliers as these suppliers pluck the feathers from gooses and ducks while they are alive. It was reported in a certain documentary that in China some sellers pluck these animals about three times before they slaughter them.
Now you would think, whats the big deal, we are shearing sheep as well but apparently plucking feathers hurts about as much as plucking hair from human beings and is forbidden when it comes to these animals.
One of the seven laws of Noah (the laws that are encumbent on all mankind) is prohibiting the consumption of a limb of a living creature. And while this is of course not the same as severing a limb I think the practice would fall under this prohibition as these seven laws of Noah are better reckoned as categories of commandments than single commandments."
http://christian4moses.wordpress.com/category/noahidism/
Just.....making it up as they go. Christians will be beheaded on the strength of this guys witness.
"I saw on the news today that IKEA has stopped buying feathers for their pillows from certain suppliers as these suppliers pluck the feathers from gooses and ducks while they are alive. It was reported in a certain documentary that in China some sellers pluck these animals about three times before they slaughter them.
Now you would think, whats the big deal, we are shearing sheep as well but apparently plucking feathers hurts about as much as plucking hair from human beings and is forbidden when it comes to these animals.
One of the seven laws of Noah (the laws that are encumbent on all mankind) is prohibiting the consumption of a limb of a living creature. And while this is of course not the same as severing a limb I think the practice would fall under this prohibition as these seven laws of Noah are better reckoned as categories of commandments than single commandments."
http://christian4moses.wordpress.com/category/noahidism/
Just.....making it up as they go. Christians will be beheaded on the strength of this guys witness.
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Re: The Noahide Laws
by zone Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:02 pm
ya.Strangelove wrote:Jusp posting this from the blog of a Noahide to show the folly of observing ORAL law:
http://christian4moses.wordpress.com/category/noahidism/
Just.....making it up as they go. Christians will be beheaded on the strength of this guys witness.
as much as i love animals, HOW MANY times have we read in the newspapers of anyone ripping the leg off a living animal to eat it? hello?
this requires world domination?
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Natural Law or Revealed Law?
by zone Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:20 pm
Audio: Natural Law or Revealed Law?
11/8/2010 11:01:00 PM
A7 Radio's "Noahide Nations" with Noahide Nations
Listen Now!
An interview with philosophy professor Dr. Joshua Golding on Rationality and Religious Theism.
Discuss this topic on the new Torah Spirituality for the Nations forum.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/News.aspx/2652
11/8/2010 11:01:00 PM
A7 Radio's "Noahide Nations" with Noahide Nations
Listen Now!
An interview with philosophy professor Dr. Joshua Golding on Rationality and Religious Theism.
Discuss this topic on the new Torah Spirituality for the Nations forum.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/News.aspx/2652
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Re: The Noahide Laws
by strangelove Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:20 pm
zone wrote:ya.
as much as i love animals, HOW MANY times have we read in the newspapers of anyone ripping the leg off a living animal to eat it? hello?
this requires world domination?
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Paul is a thorn in the side of Noahidism
by zone Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:51 am
1. In his books The Mythmaker and Paul and Hellenism , Talmudic scholar Hyam Maccoby proposed a theory that Paul was actually a Gentile raised in an environment influenced by the popular Hellenistic mystery religions centered on dying and resurrected savior deities, who later converted to Judaism, hoping to become a Pharisee scholar. He found work in Jerusalem as a police officer of the Sadducee High Priest, who was at that time a de facto Roman quisling in Jerusalem. Paul's work persecuting the enemies of the High Priest led to an internal conflict in his mind, which manifested itself while he was travelling to Damascus on a covert mission. Maccoby believes that Paul's revelation was thus actually a resolution of his divided self; Paul subsequently fused the mystery religions, Judaism and the Passion of Jesus into an entirely new belief, centered on the death of Jesus as a mystical atoning sacrifice. Maccoby considers Paul's claims to a Jewish background and Pharisaic education to be false, claiming that a number of passages in Paul's writings betray his ignorance of the Jewish Law. Maccoby also contends that Paul invented many of the key concepts of the Christian religion, and that Gospels and other later Christian documents were written to reflect Paul's views rather than the authentic life and teaching of Jesus. Maccoby questions Paul's integrity as well:
Scholars feel that, however objective their enquiry is supposed to be, they must always preserve an attitude of deep reverence towards Paul, and never say anything to suggest that he may have bent the truth at times, though the evidence is strong enough in various parts of his life-story that he was not above deception when he felt it warranted by circumstances. (The Mythmaker) The Ultimate Paul of Tarsus - American History Information Guide and Reference
Scholars feel that, however objective their enquiry is supposed to be, they must always preserve an attitude of deep reverence towards Paul, and never say anything to suggest that he may have bent the truth at times, though the evidence is strong enough in various parts of his life-story that he was not above deception when he felt it warranted by circumstances. (The Mythmaker) The Ultimate Paul of Tarsus - American History Information Guide and Reference
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Re: The Noahide Laws
by zone Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:51 am
- 3. Another alternative view is what has become known as the "New Perspective" on Paul, first set forth by Rabbi Jacob Emden (1697–1776 CE). Emden's view was that Saul of Tarsus was a devout and learned Pharisee, who (turning away from his early Shammaite views) came to believe in salvation for the gentiles and under the guiding authority of the very learned and devout Simon Kepha (i.e., Saint Peter) set about refining a noahide religion for the gentiles based around the Jehoshua (Jesus) movement...
- He did however insist that any man born of a Jewish woman be circumcised (for example Timothy whom he himself carried out the ceremony upon) and live under the law. In recent years perhaps the most exemplary developers of Emden's view are the orthodox Rabbi Harvey Falk and Pamela Eisenbaum [1]. In this view, Paul is seen as a rabbi who understood the ruling that although it would be forbidden to a Jew, (believing in the divine through the name of another) would be permissible for a gentile despite the noahide ban on idolatry.
- This is further backed up by Paul in his first letter to the Romans when he compliments them on their religion. Again when he spoke to Greeks about a divinity in their pantheon called "The Unknown God", it can be understood that he was trying to de-paganise their native religions for the sake of their own salvation.
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the CONSPIRACY against Paul
by zone Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:53 am
RABBI JACOB EMDEN'S VIEWS ON CHRISTIANITY*
- 3. Another alternative view is what has become known as the "New Perspective" on Paul, first set forth by Rabbi Jacob Emden (1697–1776 CE).
and THE NOACHIDE COMMANDMENTS
*Reprinted from the Journal of Ecumenical Studies, 19:1, Winter 1982
But truly even according to the writers of the Gospels, a Jew is not permitted to leave his Torah, for Paul wrote in his letter to the Galatians (Gal. 5) "I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, the Messiah will do you no good at all. You can take it from me that every man who receives circumcision is under obligation to keep the entire Torah." Again because of this he admonished in a letter to the Corinthians (1 Cor. 7) that the circumcised should not remove the marks of circumcision, nor should the uncircumcised circumcise themselves.
This will also solve the apparent contradictions in the Nazarenes own statements. Christian scholars have assumed from certain passages in the Gospels that he wished to give a new Torah to take the place of the Torah of Moses. How could he then have said explicitly that he comes only to fulfill it? But it is as I have said earlier--that the writers of the Gospels never meant to say that the Nazarene came to abolish Judaism, but only that he came to establish a religion for the Gentiles from that time onward. Nor was it new, but actually ancient; they being the Seven Commandments of the Sons of Noah, which were forgotten. The Apostles of the Nazarene then established them anew. However, those born as Jews, or circumcised as converts to Judaism (Ex. 12:49; one law shall be to him that is home-born, and unto the stranger) are obligated to observe all commandments of the Torah without exception.
Jacob Emden's Views on Christianity and the Noachide Commandments
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Noahide Laws - The coming Apostate Messianic Masonic Judaism
by zone Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:30 pm
The coming Apostate Messianic Masonic Judaism
at 8:28 seconds there's a text box which mentions THE NOAHIDE LAWS. (sic Nohide)
at 8:28 seconds there's a text box which mentions THE NOAHIDE LAWS. (sic Nohide)
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Judaism is Freemasonry Part 1 Realized at 3rd Jewish Temple Arrival
by zone Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:24 pm
Judaism is Freemasonry Part 1 Realized at 3rd Jewish Temple Arrival
2 min 40 secs NOAHIDES
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Re: The Noahide Laws
by ada Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:59 pm
Yes zone i like those videos a lot.
Texe is doing a great job.
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WHAT IS SHUVOO?
by zone Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:02 am
WHAT IS SHUVOO?
Shuvoo means "return". In fact, it is an active verb form meaning "(you) return". It has particular emphasis in a passage written by the Prophet Malachi: "Ever since the days of your fathers, you've turned away from My statutes and haven't observed them. Return (shuvoo) to Me and I will return (ashuvah) to you, says the G-d of Hosts." (Malachi 3:7, JPS Tanach)
This website is about returning to G-d … the G-d of Israel. It is about returning in truth and clarity, looking back to the foundation of faith for all nations of the world, the Noahide Commandments, and forward to the Torah given by G-d to Moses - the most complete revelation of G-d that can exist in this world until the World to Come.
The Noahide Commandments are seven basic laws binding upon ALL humanity. Six of these laws were given to Adam, and the seventh law was given to Noach after the Flood. Keeping these seven basic laws would allow the 70 nations of the world to live righteous lives and inherit a share in the World to Come. Jews also keep the seven laws within their observance of the Torah. The Noahide Laws are the "measuring stick" by which any religion can be evaluated - if it contradicts these basic laws, it is necessarily flawed.
With the giving of the Torah, G-d established a Covenant People chosen, formed and called out by Him to be His witnesses:
"And Moses went up to G-d. The L-RD called to him from the mountain, saying, 'Thus shall you say to the house of Jacob and declare to the children of Israel: You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, how I bore you on eagles' wings and brought you to Me. Now then, if you will obey Me faithfully and keep My covenant, you shall be My treasured possession among all the peoples. Indeed, all the earth is Mine, but you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words that you shall speak to the children of Israel." (Ex. 19:3-6)
"All the nations assemble as one, the peoples gather. Who among them declared this, foretold to us the things that have happened? Let them produce their witnesses and be vindicated, that men hearing them, may say, 'It is true!' My witnesses are you - declares the L-RD - My servant, whom I have chosen. To the end that you may take thought, and believe in Me, and understand that I am He; before Me no god was formed and after Me none shall exist. (Isaiah 43:9-10)
As the appointed witnesses of G-d, the children of Israel were given a special responsibility:
"For He has said: It is too little that you should be My servant in that I raise up the tribes of Jacob and restore the survivors of Israel: I will also make you a light of nations, that My salvation may reach the ends of the earth." (Isaiah 49:6)
Until the destruction of the Second Temple, Judaism actively reached out to the nations of the world, teaching Bnei Noach (non-Jews who understood and adhered to the Noahide Laws). For the past 2000 years, the Jewish nation has been scattered to the four corners of the earth, living under the dominion of foreign governments in nations that had their own religion(s). It would not have been well received by the leaders of these religions and governments if Jews had encouraged their people to consider the Noahide Commandments as a way of life. Simply being a Jew in these nations without being persecuted was usually difficult enough. As a result, the Sages of Judaism cautioned against active outreach to the nations of the world for it would surely have been seen as a religious and political threat. However, a nation was reborn in 1948, and Jews have been returning to their G-d-given land ever since. In Israel, a Jew can fulfill the commandments of the Torah freely, including the command to be "a light to the nations". "For instruction shall come forth from Zion and the word of the L-RD from Jerusalem." (Isaiah 2:3) This is happening in our days. With the advent of Internet, never before in history has so much Torah been accessible to the nations of the world. The Shuvoo website has been created to act upon the responsibility for Jews to be a light to the nations.
The passage of time has layered darkness, deception, distortion and confusion upon both the Noahide Laws and the Torah. Neither one is truly understood by the nations of our present time. Tragically, the Torah is not understood by many Jews, especially Jews who have found their way to other religions through assimilation or proselytizing. Shuvoo has been created to illuminate the ancient paths of return (shuvoo) to the foundations established by G-d in order that all mankind might merit the revelation of Moshiach and the Redemption of the world.
http://www.shuvoo.com/about.php
Shuvoo means "return". In fact, it is an active verb form meaning "(you) return". It has particular emphasis in a passage written by the Prophet Malachi: "Ever since the days of your fathers, you've turned away from My statutes and haven't observed them. Return (shuvoo) to Me and I will return (ashuvah) to you, says the G-d of Hosts." (Malachi 3:7, JPS Tanach)
This website is about returning to G-d … the G-d of Israel. It is about returning in truth and clarity, looking back to the foundation of faith for all nations of the world, the Noahide Commandments, and forward to the Torah given by G-d to Moses - the most complete revelation of G-d that can exist in this world until the World to Come.
The Noahide Commandments are seven basic laws binding upon ALL humanity. Six of these laws were given to Adam, and the seventh law was given to Noach after the Flood. Keeping these seven basic laws would allow the 70 nations of the world to live righteous lives and inherit a share in the World to Come. Jews also keep the seven laws within their observance of the Torah. The Noahide Laws are the "measuring stick" by which any religion can be evaluated - if it contradicts these basic laws, it is necessarily flawed.
With the giving of the Torah, G-d established a Covenant People chosen, formed and called out by Him to be His witnesses:
"And Moses went up to G-d. The L-RD called to him from the mountain, saying, 'Thus shall you say to the house of Jacob and declare to the children of Israel: You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, how I bore you on eagles' wings and brought you to Me. Now then, if you will obey Me faithfully and keep My covenant, you shall be My treasured possession among all the peoples. Indeed, all the earth is Mine, but you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words that you shall speak to the children of Israel." (Ex. 19:3-6)
"All the nations assemble as one, the peoples gather. Who among them declared this, foretold to us the things that have happened? Let them produce their witnesses and be vindicated, that men hearing them, may say, 'It is true!' My witnesses are you - declares the L-RD - My servant, whom I have chosen. To the end that you may take thought, and believe in Me, and understand that I am He; before Me no god was formed and after Me none shall exist. (Isaiah 43:9-10)
As the appointed witnesses of G-d, the children of Israel were given a special responsibility:
"For He has said: It is too little that you should be My servant in that I raise up the tribes of Jacob and restore the survivors of Israel: I will also make you a light of nations, that My salvation may reach the ends of the earth." (Isaiah 49:6)
Until the destruction of the Second Temple, Judaism actively reached out to the nations of the world, teaching Bnei Noach (non-Jews who understood and adhered to the Noahide Laws). For the past 2000 years, the Jewish nation has been scattered to the four corners of the earth, living under the dominion of foreign governments in nations that had their own religion(s). It would not have been well received by the leaders of these religions and governments if Jews had encouraged their people to consider the Noahide Commandments as a way of life. Simply being a Jew in these nations without being persecuted was usually difficult enough. As a result, the Sages of Judaism cautioned against active outreach to the nations of the world for it would surely have been seen as a religious and political threat. However, a nation was reborn in 1948, and Jews have been returning to their G-d-given land ever since. In Israel, a Jew can fulfill the commandments of the Torah freely, including the command to be "a light to the nations". "For instruction shall come forth from Zion and the word of the L-RD from Jerusalem." (Isaiah 2:3) This is happening in our days. With the advent of Internet, never before in history has so much Torah been accessible to the nations of the world. The Shuvoo website has been created to act upon the responsibility for Jews to be a light to the nations.
The passage of time has layered darkness, deception, distortion and confusion upon both the Noahide Laws and the Torah. Neither one is truly understood by the nations of our present time. Tragically, the Torah is not understood by many Jews, especially Jews who have found their way to other religions through assimilation or proselytizing. Shuvoo has been created to illuminate the ancient paths of return (shuvoo) to the foundations established by G-d in order that all mankind might merit the revelation of Moshiach and the Redemption of the world.
"[The L-RD] says: Build up, build up a highway!
Clear a road! Remove all obstacles from the road of My people!"
(Isaiah 57:14)
Clear a road! Remove all obstacles from the road of My people!"
(Isaiah 57:14)
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Noahide Nations was established in 2006 by Ray Pederson and Miriam ben Yaakov in response to the need for educational and community building resources of Bnei Noach. It is a multi-faceted website with live audio classes, articles and information on Bnei Noach and the Seven Laws, forums, Bnei Singles and Community services, a bookstore and more.
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The Noachide Faith in Masonic Sources The Old Charges - A Return to our Root The Chevalier Ramsay used to declare: ìFreemasonry is indeed the resurrection of the Noachide religion, that of the Patriarch Noah, that religion prior to any dogma, which allows us to go beyond the differences and oppositions of the various faithsî. [as quoted on the site of the Grand Lodge of France]  Andersonís Constitutions of 1738 could very well contain the seedbed of our religious faith and practice as Freemasons. While most masons officially claim that Freemasonry is NOT a religion, it is certainly religious so long as one has a proper understanding of the term and maintains a distinction between what religion is, and what religious means. Freemasonry opens its doors to men of every creed so long as they believe in a Supreme Deity, to whom all men are held accountable for the maintenance of certain basic universal laws, defined by Dr. Anderson as the moral law. In his 1738 [2nd] edition of the Constitutions he gave this moral law a name. The name applied by Anderson to this "moral law" was Noachide. (also variously spelled; Noahide, Noachite, NoachidÊ, Noachida). The entry NoachidÊ, found in the ENCYCLOPDIA OF FREEMASONRY1 states the following: "The descendants of Noah. A term applied to Freemasons on the theory, derived from the 'legend of the craft,' that Noah was the father and founder of the Masonic system of theology. And hence the Freemasons claim to be his descendants, because in times past they preserved the pure principles of his religion amid the corruptions of surrounding faiths. Dr. Anderson first used the word in this sense in the second edition of the Book of Constitutions: 'A Mason is obliged by his tenure to observe the moral law as a true Noachida.' But he was not the inventor of the term, for it occurs in a letter sent by the Grand Lodge of Calcutta in 1735, which letter is preserved among the Rawlinson MSS. in the Bodleian Library, Oxford. (See Ars Quartuor Coronatorum, xi., 35.) In The History of Freemasonry - Its Legendary Origins, Mackey devotes an entire chapter to the Masonic connection with the figure of Noah and so covers the topic more thoroughly. In that chapter he admits that "the story of his [Noah's] life has exercised a very important influence in the origin and the development of the principles of Speculative Masonry". Mackey writes of references to both Noah and the system of faith attributed to him, and cites several references from early Masonic manuscripts. According to Mackey, "In the Halliwell Poem his [Noah's] name and the flood are merely referred to as denoting an era of time in the world's history. It is only a statement that the tower of Babel was begun many years after 'Noees flod [sic]'." In the Cooke Ms more details are furnished about Noah, but they generally follow the Biblical account. From the time of the Dowland MS. forward, says Mackey, "the reference to Noah is exceedingly meager." http://www.public-action.com/x/nh-freemasontracbrd/ |
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Daghda's Grove (Popularity:  ) http://www.daghdaprod.com/ Personal site of a Druid that is following the laws of Noah. Includes theological inquiries. |
| B'nai Noach Torah Institute (Popularity: ) http://www.bnti.us/ Prepares students from a Torah perspective to teach the Seven Noach Commands and assist B'nai Noach / Spiritualist Congregations. |
| Chavurath B'nei Noach (Popularity: ) http://webpages.charter.net/chavurathbneinoach/ Noachide fellowship in Fort Worth, Texas. Site includes an explanation of Noahism and the Seven Laws of Noah, FAQs, archive ... |
| The Seven Laws of Noah and Related Concepts (Popularity: ) http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/7laws.html A collection of articles on the Noahide movement. |
| B'nai Noach: A Resource Guide (Popularity: ) http://hrubieszow.freeyellow.com/ Resources for those interested in the covenant G-d established with the non-Jewish nations of the world during the time of ... |
| 7 Commands (Popularity: ) http://www.7commands.com/ Akiva Belk discusses Spirituality and the Seven Noaich Commands, the world's oldest system of beliefs. |
| Jews and Hasidic Gentiles--United to Save America (Popularity: ) http://www.noahide.com/ Noahide site sponsored by the Hasidic group Chabad Lubavitch. |
| Root and Branch Association (Popularity: ) http://www.rb.org.il/index.htm Organization founded by Torah-observant Jews, promotes cooperation between the State of Israel and other nations, and between Jews and B'nai ... http://www.abc-directory.com/category/926326 |
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Discussion of The Great Code: The Bible and Literature by Northrop Frye
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Subject: RE: Royal metaphor, readings
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 98 19:12:54 PST
From: Yehoshua Friedman friedy@poboxes.com
I haven't read Frye, but I had a few thoughts to share anyway. The change from monarchy to democracy as paradigm of society has made a difficulty in the theological realm, as Mr. Billington rightly puts it.
In the Jewish liturgy we say "Avinu Malkeinu", "Our Father Our King". The metaphor is of an absolute monarch who has the power of life and death over his subjects as well as a father to whom we owe our existence and upbringing.
The concept is of course relevant to the Christian tradition as well.
In our day the breakdown of the family has rendered the father-concept problematic as well, the male with whom the child spends every other weekend or something like that. I wonder if democracy is not similarly flawed and totalitarianism is not merely a modern sickness of trying and failing to return to the primeval father-king.
For those of us who see the ultimate eschatology (Messiah) in such a return, we have to examine the nature of a polity in which a spiritually-endowed, prophetically-consecrated leader presides over a spiritually-enhanced people to be a light to the nations of the world. In such a context the father/teacher paradigm is also relevant.
The Talmud states that the honor due to a father is also due a fortiori to a teacher of Torah in that the father brings on into this world but the teacher brings him into the next.
Since all but the most extreme advocate of feminism/alternative roles etc. would agree that the position of father is not to be abolished in essence but to become less authoritarian, the monarch and hence the deity should be analogous.
Many elements in rabbinic sources present the Davidic king and G-d in a position similar to a constitutional monarch. The king (executive) governs in consultation with the Sanhedrin (judicial/legislative), High Priest and prophet according to the Torah (constitution) which he keeps with him at all times.
G-d governs with the Torah as blueprint for creation, consults first with the heavenly host ("let us make man") and later with righteous prophets (Abraham, Moses, etc.) and finally culminating in the doctrine that the Torah is not in the heavens, meaning that once revealed and handed down to man, divine intervention or prophecy may not enter into the process of legal interpretation. Unconnected thought regarding readings: For reasons of convenience in a country where English is a second language, I have a partiality for readings which are available in e-text online. This despite Mr. Sacks's claim that Tschernichovsky's Hebrew translations of the Iliad and Odyssey were the best in any language.
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Discussion of The Great Code: The Bible and Literature by Northrop Frye
Message no. 89
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Subject: RE: Royal metaphor, readings
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 98 19:12:54 PST
From: Yehoshua Friedman friedy@poboxes.com
I haven't read Frye, but I had a few thoughts to share anyway. The change from monarchy to democracy as paradigm of society has made a difficulty in the theological realm, as Mr. Billington rightly puts it.
In the Jewish liturgy we say "Avinu Malkeinu", "Our Father Our King". The metaphor is of an absolute monarch who has the power of life and death over his subjects as well as a father to whom we owe our existence and upbringing.
The concept is of course relevant to the Christian tradition as well.
In our day the breakdown of the family has rendered the father-concept problematic as well, the male with whom the child spends every other weekend or something like that. I wonder if democracy is not similarly flawed and totalitarianism is not merely a modern sickness of trying and failing to return to the primeval father-king.
For those of us who see the ultimate eschatology (Messiah) in such a return, we have to examine the nature of a polity in which a spiritually-endowed, prophetically-consecrated leader presides over a spiritually-enhanced people to be a light to the nations of the world. In such a context the father/teacher paradigm is also relevant.
The Talmud states that the honor due to a father is also due a fortiori to a teacher of Torah in that the father brings on into this world but the teacher brings him into the next.
Since all but the most extreme advocate of feminism/alternative roles etc. would agree that the position of father is not to be abolished in essence but to become less authoritarian, the monarch and hence the deity should be analogous.
Many elements in rabbinic sources present the Davidic king and G-d in a position similar to a constitutional monarch. The king (executive) governs in consultation with the Sanhedrin (judicial/legislative), High Priest and prophet according to the Torah (constitution) which he keeps with him at all times.
G-d governs with the Torah as blueprint for creation, consults first with the heavenly host ("let us make man") and later with righteous prophets (Abraham, Moses, etc.) and finally culminating in the doctrine that the Torah is not in the heavens, meaning that once revealed and handed down to man, divine intervention or prophecy may not enter into the process of legal interpretation. Unconnected thought regarding readings: For reasons of convenience in a country where English is a second language, I have a partiality for readings which are available in e-text online. This despite Mr. Sacks's claim that Tschernichovsky's Hebrew translations of the Iliad and Odyssey were the best in any language.
Yt
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by strangelove Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:15 am
I was reading this piece which seems to make a distinction between 'operative freemasonry, and 'speculative freemasonry'Is becoming a Noahide, to be initiated and fast tracked straight into the judiciary and legal arm of Scottish Rite freemasonry?
~SNIPPETT~
"....a degree was fabricated on the continent of Europe, bearing the name of " Patriarch Noachite," one peculiar feature of which was that it represented the existence of two classes or lines of Masons, the one descending from the Temple of Solomon, and who were called Hiramites, and the other tracing their origin to Noah, who were styled Noachites."
The History of Freemasonry - by Albert Gallatin Mackey : Chapter 42 - Noah and the Noachites
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So it seems those becomming noahides are kinda, joining the outer circle. Makes sense.
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Just found this new addition on the WikiNoah site:
LINK: WikiNoah
Christian Views of Noahides
Christian opposition
The major Christian bodies (e.g. the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Churches and the Protestant Churches) believe the Ten Commandments to be binding on them and would regard the Noahide laws as essentially a subset of these (though the requirement to set up courts, and the dietary regulation, are not explicit in the Ten Commandments). Some critics of the Noahide laws contend that insisting upon a basic set of moral laws is contrary to religious pluralism.
Some Christians believe that their existence implies that Jews may set up a legal system that would effectively outlaw Christianity. Based on the out-of-context claims that the "all Christians are idolators", and "punishment for idolatry is the death penalty", and that "the Rabbis have absolute control and authority over Noahides", some Christian groups has generated a lot of noise against the Noahide community.
[YAY! We have them on the run!]
The Jewish community responds by noting that:
Noahide Law, with its minimal threshold of morality, law may be compared to Catholic social teachings, especially natural law theory.
[and thats a good thing?]
Judaism makes laws and customs for its own members (like all faiths) and does not set up governments to force Jewish beliefs on non-Jews; in contrast, some non-Jewish faiths have carried out such actions in practice.
[Erm.....ZOG? Noahides in Public Law??]
This is not the ruling according to the Code of Jewish law. If Christian were idolators - in the full sense - it would be forbidden to do business with them on the days before and after Sunday as well as any Christian holidays, as well as several other legal rulings would come into effect. This is not the case, however. Jewish Law holds that Christian is similar to idolatry, but not full idolatry, and may even be completely permitted for non-Jews.
[YEAH RIGHT! 'similar' to idolatry?]
Jewish scholars also by note that Jews today no longer carry out the death penalty, even within the Jewish community. Jewish law, in contemporary practice, sees the death penalty as an indicator of the seriousness of an offense; violators are not actually put to death. Most Jewish authorities believe that penalties are a detail of the Noahide Laws and that Noahides themselves must determine the details of their own laws for themselves. According to this school of thought - see N. Rakover, Law and the Noahides (1998); M. Dallen, The Rainbow Covenant (2003)- the Noahide Laws offer mankind a set of absolute values and a framework for righteousness and justice, while the detailed laws that are currently on the books of the world's states and nations are presumptively valid.
[Sure....we let the noahides decide on the punishments...with HEAVY advice from the Sanhedrin]
Lastly, the Rabbis have no control over Noahides, only the ability to interpret the Bible and give rulings in Jewish law. Even in theory, the Rabbis cannot enforce their decisions on non-Jews anywhere outside of the Land of Israel.
[No authority eh? You have them fawning at your feet you LYING SCUMBAGS!!]
LINK: WikiNoah
Christian Views of Noahides
Christian opposition
The major Christian bodies (e.g. the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Churches and the Protestant Churches) believe the Ten Commandments to be binding on them and would regard the Noahide laws as essentially a subset of these (though the requirement to set up courts, and the dietary regulation, are not explicit in the Ten Commandments). Some critics of the Noahide laws contend that insisting upon a basic set of moral laws is contrary to religious pluralism.
Some Christians believe that their existence implies that Jews may set up a legal system that would effectively outlaw Christianity. Based on the out-of-context claims that the "all Christians are idolators", and "punishment for idolatry is the death penalty", and that "the Rabbis have absolute control and authority over Noahides", some Christian groups has generated a lot of noise against the Noahide community.
[YAY! We have them on the run!]
The Jewish community responds by noting that:
Noahide Law, with its minimal threshold of morality, law may be compared to Catholic social teachings, especially natural law theory.
[and thats a good thing?]
Judaism makes laws and customs for its own members (like all faiths) and does not set up governments to force Jewish beliefs on non-Jews; in contrast, some non-Jewish faiths have carried out such actions in practice.
[Erm.....ZOG? Noahides in Public Law??]
This is not the ruling according to the Code of Jewish law. If Christian were idolators - in the full sense - it would be forbidden to do business with them on the days before and after Sunday as well as any Christian holidays, as well as several other legal rulings would come into effect. This is not the case, however. Jewish Law holds that Christian is similar to idolatry, but not full idolatry, and may even be completely permitted for non-Jews.
[YEAH RIGHT! 'similar' to idolatry?]
Jewish scholars also by note that Jews today no longer carry out the death penalty, even within the Jewish community. Jewish law, in contemporary practice, sees the death penalty as an indicator of the seriousness of an offense; violators are not actually put to death. Most Jewish authorities believe that penalties are a detail of the Noahide Laws and that Noahides themselves must determine the details of their own laws for themselves. According to this school of thought - see N. Rakover, Law and the Noahides (1998); M. Dallen, The Rainbow Covenant (2003)- the Noahide Laws offer mankind a set of absolute values and a framework for righteousness and justice, while the detailed laws that are currently on the books of the world's states and nations are presumptively valid.
[Sure....we let the noahides decide on the punishments...with HEAVY advice from the Sanhedrin]
Lastly, the Rabbis have no control over Noahides, only the ability to interpret the Bible and give rulings in Jewish law. Even in theory, the Rabbis cannot enforce their decisions on non-Jews anywhere outside of the Land of Israel.
[No authority eh? You have them fawning at your feet you LYING SCUMBAGS!!]
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INTERNATIONAL SCROLL OF HONOR (1987)
Presented by the Heads of State of a grateful world in tribute to the vision and spiritual leadership provided by the Lubavitcher Rebbe
RABBI MENACHEM MENDEL SCHNEERSON shlita
on the occasion of his reaching the EIGHTY-FIFTH YEAR
WHEREAS, the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, has reached the eighty-fifth year of his life which is devoted to the service of world Jewry and humanity in general; and
WHEREAS, his venerated vision, wisdom and leadership have contributed greatly to the promotion of education and the betterment of mankind by his call to recognize the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization when they were known as the Seven Noahide Laws, transmitted through G-d to Moses on Mount Sinai; and
WHEREAS, the President and both houses of Congress of the United States of America have accordingly recognized "Education Day - U.S.A." and "National Day of Reflection" on his birthday, and similar recognition offered by other nations on this day; now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED, on the occasion of his birthday, April 10, 1987 corresponding to the 11th of Nissan 5747, we the undersigned do present the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson shlita the International Scroll of Honor recognizing his brilliant achievements and wishing him health, long life and many more years of leadership to crown his celebrated career.
Ronald Reagan
Presented by the Heads of State of a grateful world in tribute to the vision and spiritual leadership provided by the Lubavitcher Rebbe
RABBI MENACHEM MENDEL SCHNEERSON shlita
on the occasion of his reaching the EIGHTY-FIFTH YEAR
WHEREAS, the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, has reached the eighty-fifth year of his life which is devoted to the service of world Jewry and humanity in general; and
WHEREAS, his venerated vision, wisdom and leadership have contributed greatly to the promotion of education and the betterment of mankind by his call to recognize the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization when they were known as the Seven Noahide Laws, transmitted through G-d to Moses on Mount Sinai; and
WHEREAS, the President and both houses of Congress of the United States of America have accordingly recognized "Education Day - U.S.A." and "National Day of Reflection" on his birthday, and similar recognition offered by other nations on this day; now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED, on the occasion of his birthday, April 10, 1987 corresponding to the 11th of Nissan 5747, we the undersigned do present the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson shlita the International Scroll of Honor recognizing his brilliant achievements and wishing him health, long life and many more years of leadership to crown his celebrated career.
Ronald Reagan
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