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Post by Bro John Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:40 pm

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24.  Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 


1a. I agree with the customary interpretation that the time regarding the seventy weeks being equal to 490 literal and total years. I disagree that they are not consecutive.  They are.  


1b. The city of Jerusalem, though once holy, is holy no longer. (Matthew 5:35, Galatians 4:21-31) Why, because Jesus departed the temple just as God left the 1st temple DESOLATE. (See Ezekiel 10, 11:22-25) Jesus will never return to a temple made with hands. (Acts 7:48) The 490 years are history.  Jesus left their house, which was once His. (Matthew 21:13, 23:38,39)  
  
1c. Consider also that the 6 things upon which the 70 weeks are determined are SPIRITUAL things, not natural.  (transgressions, sins, iniquity, righteousness, vision/prophecy, and the most Holy)  Each of these were accomplished during the time of our Lord’s 1st coming.  But our Dispensationalist friends simply cannot have that and so -- presto!  They take the last two and thrust them 2020 years into the future.  In fact they still have not come to pass!  These men tell us  that the 5the event; the sealing up vision and prophecy will not occur until after the 1000 reign of Christ is complete!  Additionally, Dispensationalists are unhappy with the text regarding the 6th determining event and so must add the word, P - L - A - C- E to the tail end of the given phrase, “the most Holy”, who is Christ. (Mark 1:24, Acts 3:14, 4:27) And so, with a wave of their magic wand they change a Person (Christ) into a thing; (the 3rd temple) and a Who becomes a what.  If I were Dispensationalists I would fear adding to the Word of God.


This movement of items 5, and 6 to the future has no biblical warrant.  They do this because they must do it.  They cannot have the 490 years just be 490 years.  No, there must be a gap, who knows how long between the 69th and 70th seven.  Why, when there was no gap between the 6th, 7th and 8th, or the 61st, 62nd, or 63rd, when Daniel’s prophecy was broken up into three time periods; the 7 weeks, the 62 weeks, and the 70th week?  Let’s consider another prophecy in Daniel’s book to get a picture of what this would look like.  The dream is Nebbie’s Metal Man taken from Daniel chapter 2.  You know the story.  Nebbie sees a terrible image of a man with a head of gold, arms and chest of silver, belly and thighs of brass, legs of iron, and feet/toes of iron mixed with clay.  There is no question that Babylon is the head, (605-539 BC - 66 years) Medo - Persia the chest and arms, (539-331 BC - 208 years) Greco/Macedonia, the belly and thighs, (331 - 168 BC - 163 years) and Rome the legs of iron. (168BC- 476AD/538 AD) Remember, the angel told Daniel there are only four beasts, which correspond to the 4 metals. (Daniel 7:17) 

My friend, do you see the problem? The head, chest, and belly are proportional to one another in size relative to the number of years of their reign or empire.  In other words, although the image was terrible or frightening; it was no caricature; that is all head or all belly.  But when you get to Rome (the legs) all proportionality is thrown out the window for it is “all legs”.  In fact the legs (643 years or 705 years) are approximately 1 ½ times as long as the whole upper body. (66+208+168= 442)  And if we look at the feet/toes in the Dispensationalist model they are another 1500 years, approximately, making them about twice as long as the legs.  This cannot be. This is not terrible but a laughingstock.  Later in the series on the King/Kingdom Set Up I will disclose to you the actual years of this statue in keeping with proportionality and the scripture.   

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Post by Bro John Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:45 pm

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25.  Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 


Here is the event that got the 490 year prophetic clock to begin ticking; the command to restore and build Jerusalem.  Although there may be some question as to which commandment this refers to, there can be no disagreement about this: Messiah would be on the scene at the close of these 69 weeks or 483 years.  This was the time Jesus uttered the words, the time is fulfilled from Mark, chapter 1.  Messiah had come in the 70th week, and so too His kingdom.       


26.  And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 


1.a This verse coupled with the next is what all of the millennium fuss is about.  The Amiil viewpoint is that Messiah the Prince is cut off after the 69 weeks; that is in the 70th week. The Dispensationalist view is that Messiah is cut off at the end (but still in the 69th week) bringing it to a close with the entirety of the 70th week being future even to this day.  But this is not what the scripture says.  After means after, not at the end of, not even at the very end of.  Again, Dispensationalists take liberty with the grammatical structure of the verse and make it say what they want it to say.  Lastly, The Amil and the Dispensationalist positions are in agreement that Christ was sacrificed for others, and not for Himself.  After all, He was wounded/bruised  for our transgressions/iniquities; both Jew and Gentile alike. (See Isaiah 53:1-12, and John 11:49-53) 


1 b.  The other issue just as important or perhaps even more so is the identity of the ‘prince’ of the people who should come.  Dispensationalists tell us that the people of this prince were the Romans who destroyed both city and temple in 70 AD.  So far, so good.  But instead of the prince and people being contemporaries (they were both yet to come) as the text calls for, the Dispensationalist ‘prince’ is still future; far and away removed from his long ago deceased people, being separated in time from them by 1950 years and counting. To be fair to the text “the prince” of the people must be Titus who was leading the siege of Jerusalem when it was destroyed by the people, the Roman Imperial Army.  But my Dispensationalist friends will have no part of that. Their antichrist must come from the European Union, of the former Roman Empire.  Unwittingly, they have painted themselves into a very tight corner.  If this be true, the absolute earliest their antichrist could have arrived on the scene is 1957, the year the EU was birthed, or perhaps 1981, the year in which the 10th member nation was admitted.  What’s the big deal?  Imminency, that’s what.  The Doctrine of Imminency, the belief that Jesus could return at any moment of time in a pre - tribulation rapture immediately comes crashing down to the ground if they continue to hold to this position. Either their futuristic prince of the Roman people --  the antichrist must go, or their imminent pre - tribulation rapture. They can’t have both.

1.c Now the prophecy does not tell us exactly the timing of the destruction of the city and sanctuary; only its certainty, and the fact that the Messiah must be cut off prior to that time.  As we know, the city and temple fell to Titus in 70.  But the prophecy does not say that judgment was 1 of the 6 determining events for the 70 weeks.  All 6 of them have to do with the redemption and are of a saving nature, not of destruction. The flood in verse 26 was the overthrow of both city and temple in 70 AD.  However, more desolations were yet to follow. These desolations continued until 73, the end of the war, when Masada was finally destroyed.  

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Post by Bro John Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:48 pm

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27.  And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.  


1a. Before I begin, I cannot stress enough the exact polar opposite interpretations that Amills and Dispensationalists give to this verse and the one previous. It is indisputable that Messiah is the subject in verse 26. ‘The prince’, however, was locked up in a prepositional phrase being chained to and therefore subject to “the people”.  The phrase “of the prince” is simply a description for the subject, “the people”, much like “of the wrath” and “of her fornication” are descriptors for the wine of Mystery Babylon. (See Revelation 18:3) So it is apparent that the prince is not the subject in verse 26; the people are.   Now, people are more than one.  But the prince is only one.  The people cannot be a he as they are a them -- a plurality.  So the only he that could possibly be the subject and in the process confirm the covenant, cause sacrifice and oblation to cease, and make [it] desolate is Messiah the Prince, not the prince of the people.  


Now, please recall how the Dispensationalists tacked on the word ‘place’ at the end of the phrase, “the most Holy”.  We now see clearly why they needed to do this regardless of what grammatical gymnastics they would be forced to perform in order to accomplish it.  We will explain the Dispensationalist position on this verse, and then the Amill position.          


1b. Let us now consider the parties who are supposedly signatory to this covenant that the antichrist supposedly confirms or supports.  They are the Arab countries or Muslim nations perhaps in alliance with Russia one hand hand, and the nation of Israel on the other.  Again, the Doctrine of Imminence is thrown out along with the bath water.  What do I mean?  Israel did not become a nation again until 1948, and the old city of Jerusalem did not come under Israel’s control until 1967.  If the pre - tribulation rapture takes place prior to the antichrist being revealed in the confirming of the covenant as Dispensationalists say there could be no such rapture until 1948, or 1967 as there was no nation of Israel to be party to it at that time.  Think about that.    


Lastly, there is no 3rd temple yet constructed on the temple mount in order to begin again the authorized animal sacrifices, nor for the Dispensationalist antichrist to sit in, which according to them he does 3 ½ years after he confirms the covenant with Israel and the Russian/Muslim coalition.  Immediately upon the close of those 3 ½ years he supposedly brings a halt to the formerly authorized reinstituted animal sacrifices and instead demands worship for Himself.  As mentioned several times before, the true temple of God is not dead rocks but living stones.  Therefore, it is impossible that II Thessalonians 2:1-10 is referring to a man-made or physical temple.  That temple is called the temple of God.  Recall the Presence of God filling the OT man-made Tabernacle in the wilderness, and the 1st man-made Temple in the days of Solomon.  


What am I driving at?  The true temples of God are always consecrated.  Zerubbabel’s Temple was consecrated with the Presence of the Son of God, Himself.  When He departed, that man made building became desolate, indeed as the GLORY had departed.  Beginning with Pentecost the true temples, all they who believe, are filled with the Spirit of God, the True Presence -- the true glory.  No man made temple may NOW be made desolate.  No Consecration = No Desolation.  These things being true Jesus could never return in a pre - tribulation rapture.


Allow me at this juncture to inject a very damning quote straight from the Dispensationalist rulebook with my emphasis "If prior events are required before the rapture, then the rapture could not be described as imminent.  Thus, if any event were required to occur before the rapture, then the concept of imminency would be destroyed."  Thomas Ice, Associate Professor of Religion, and Executive Director of the Pre -Trib Research Center at Liberty University from his article, "Imminence and the Any-Moment Rapture" 


But we have 4 events that must take place per our Dispensationalists’ friends own time-line; the reemergence of the nation of Israel (1948-1967), the rise of the European Union (1957-1981), the confirmation of the treaty with Israel and the Muslim coalition by the antichrist (??) and the erection of the 3rd temple on the temple mount (??)  Who can deny by the Dispensationalists’ very own rule book that their 'truth’ of an imminent pre - tribulation rapture is hereby destroyed?   
    
1c. Now the amill position on verse 27 is simple and follows the rules of grammar.  The He referred to is Christ.  The covenant He confirms with many is the New Covenant in His blood with all who believe.  The phrase “for one week” is the 70th and last week which ended 3 ½ years after His crucifixion. Christ caused the end of sacrifice and oblation at the cross “in the midst of the week.”  Hebrews, chapter 10 with my emphasis: 5. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:  6. In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.  7. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.  8. Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;   9. Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.  10.By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.  
1d. Please reread Hebrews chapter 9 and ponder verse 26.  Consider the veil of the temple being rent from top to bottom.  This abolished the OT priesthood.  (Mark 15:38, Hebrews 9:3) NT Living temple stones are now raised up to offer spiritual sacrifices.  (I Peter 2:5)  My Dispensationalist friends try to pacify their consciences with the horror of renewed animal sacrifices with the word of their prophet Scofield.  No doubt, says he that this is merely a memorial.  I would boldly remind my Dispensationalist friends and Scofield’s ghost that Christ, Himself initiated His own Memorial; For said He, “This is My Body, This is My Blood.  Do this in remembrance of Me” (I Corinthians 11:23-26) Now to wrap up my take on Daniel.  The phrase overspreading of abominations is not the antichrist making a 3rd temple of stone desolate by demanding worship within its confines.  Rather, they are the many abominations of the Jews which they exacted upon the soul of the meek and lowly Jesus which only after previously weeping bitter tears for her obstinate and wretched condition finally gives her up whereby the cry is wrenched from Jesus’ lips, BEHOLD YOUR HOUSE IS LEFT UNTO YOU DESOLATE!  The 491st straw had been laid on the back of Jesus.  The temple, city, and nation were left desolate.   This sentence is to remain in effect until the very end of the world.  We will revisit and tie up this thread in Part 5, The King/Kingdom is Rejected, & Israel is Cursed.  Now on to Part 4b, The Sign the King/Kingdom is Come where we examine and prove the spiritual nature of Jesus’ kingdom.  

To be continued…………..  (LORD WILLING)

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Post by Strangelove Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:20 pm

Fantastic stuff Bro.
Have you read any Kim Riddelbarger?

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Post by Bro John Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:26 pm

Thank you for the kind word, brother.  I have come across some things by Dr. R. including on this forum.  Most of my reading on millennium was from the Standard Bearer back in the day.

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Post by Bro John Sat Aug 14, 2021 7:46 pm




The Present Day Kingdom of Heaven


Where we prove beyond any doubt that the kingdom was not offered, rejected, withdrawn and postponed, but rather declared, rejected, and commenced.  


Should you like to contact me regarding this series I may be reached at manovclay1@gmail.com

Part 5 of TBD

The Sign the King/Kingdom Is Come  

We have taken you step by step through Daniel’s 70 weeks of years with the intent that you fully comprehend not only the time - frame regarding the when of that prophecy, but also the true who, along with the biblical what, where, how and why of it.  We have proven that the 70th week began in conjunction with Jesus’ proclamation that the kingdom was then at hand, along with the given mandated prerequisite conditions for entrance into that kingdom being repentance of sin and belief in the gospel; both which are spiritual in nature.  Moreover, we proved that the prince of the people who should come was Titus, and the most Holy was no place at all, let alone a rebuilt temple, but rather, Christ, the true temple and habitation of God. (John 14:11, 17:21,23)     



We found that the middle of the 70th week dealt not with a future antichrist confirming a temporal treaty between sons of Adam the 1st, but rather, the 2nd Adam who made strong the New Covenant with spiritual sons and daughters by the shedding of His supernatural blood thus fulfilling all 6 of the determining events of those 70 weeks.  We repeat them here for emphasis: to finish the transgression, make an end of sins, make reconciliation for iniquity, bring in everlasting righteousness, seal up vision and prophecy, and anoint the most Holy.  Again, these are all spiritual, in essence; not natural.  And as stated before if these things were not all done at the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus we are still in our sins today and forever into the future regardless if we be Jew or Gentile.  We also learned the maxim that ‘where there is no consecration, there can be no desecration’.  In other words, an antichrist cannot pollute a temple by demanding worship as that building was never filled with the glory of God to begin with.



We now take up our scripture heads for this installment from 3 distinct  sources.  First among them is Matthew, 4 where we witness our Lord at the very beginning of His ministry:  



23.  And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.  



24.  And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with diverse diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those who had the palsy; and he healed them.  



You will recall, no doubt, that at the beginning of Jesus’ ministry Nicodemus confessed to Him saying that no man could work the miracles He did unless God was in fact with Him. (John 3:4)  These miracles were the heavenly stamp of approval upon both the message and messenger; the message being the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven/God, and the messenger being Christ, and later, His servants, the apostles.  This was in keeping with the two other Dispensations of miracles; that is, The Law, where Moses came first and later Joshua, his servant, and The Prophets; of whom Elijah was first, followed by his servant, Elisha.  But despite the many miracles Christ did, neither did the region roundabout, his townsfolk, nor even His flesh and blood family believe in Him. (Matthew 11:20-24, Mark 3:20-35, Luke 4:23-30, and John 7:1-5) 





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Post by Bro John Sat Aug 14, 2021 7:53 pm

Part 5.2




In Mark 10, Jesus sends forth the 12 to preach the identical gospel He and John had preached giving them the same power and authority His Father had given Him.  (See also Mark 3:14,15)




7.  And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. 




8.  Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.




These first 3 signs in verse 8 above (healing, cleansing, and raising) which Jesus also performed, appear at first blush to merely pertain to the natural, temporal body.  This of course is true, but more importantly, they also point to something much greater; to that which is spiritual.  Please read Isaiah 29:18,19, 32:3,4, 35:1-10, 42:1-9, 50:4,5, 53:4-6, and 61:1.  Although Christ healed the physical bodies of the people there was much more to it than meets the eye.  For example, in Mark 2:1-12, at the commencement of His ministry, Jesus heals a man “sick of the palsy” so that “he immediately arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all '' at His Word.  But before healing the man, Jesus, having seen the faith of his friends who brought him, tells the paralytic, “Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.”  So we see the causal relationship with sin and sickness from the very beginning.  Those ‘stuck in the mud’ scribes who witnessed this miracle, however, could not bear it, nor bring themselves to hear the Prophet of whom Moses spoke, though He was standing in their very midst.  (Deuteronomy 18:15-19, Acts 3:22,23, 7:37) They proved unmoved by the heavenly logic of Jesus’ response in addition to the miraculous power He demonstrated only to complain later that Jesus ate with publicans and sinners;  oblivious to the fact that the sick need a doctor, just as the sinner needs repentance,  again equating the two as one. (Please see Mark 2:16,17, and John 5:16-47, 9:24-34)      




Knowing now the causal relationship between sin and sickness we can now add to our knowledge to prove that the kingdom Jesus came to establish which was whispered in the days of the patriarchs, quietly promised in David’s day, prophesied aloud by the Law and the Prophets, proclaimed en masse with the the gospel with signs accompanying it during the initial days of Jesus’ ministry, exclaimed with shouts of adoration and praise at His triumphal entry at the end of His ministry, furthered with the apostlolic ministry of gospel and miracles in the 1st century and now realized without signs in this our day in the 21st is a SPIRITUAL KINGDOM.   




We look now to the main head in this 5th installment taken from Luke 11 with my emphasis.




19.  But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.




And from Matthew 12 with my emphasis. 




28.  But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. 


While a physical healing, the cleansing of a leper, and the raising of the dead are indeed 3 miracles in their own right, and not to be disparaged in the least, they are not on the same level as the casting out of devils.  Why?  A bodily healing is not a repair of the spirit.  An outward cleansing is not an inward washing.  The raising of the natural body is not the resurrection of the spiritual being.  What am I saying?  The casting out of devils is purely a spiritual miracle,  It has nothing to do with the natural body, and as such is the best determining factor that the kingdom had come with Jesus in a definite spiritual sense.  But, all 4 types of these miracles, including the casting out of devils; though miraculous, are not salvific.  Recall that Jesus quickly moved the ‘Nick at Night’ conversation from the natural to the spiritual  when He instructed His rabbi pupil that he must be born from above, not twice below.  The preached word is the ‘be all, end all’.  Miracles are the window dressing, although they truly authenticate the message. 


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Post by Bro John Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:24 pm

Part 5.3To illustrate, recall Abraham’s response to Dives who requested that Lazarus be sent to his brothers so that they too would not come into the same condemnation and torment as he did after their death.  Abraham said, “If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither shall they be persuaded though one rose from the dead.” (Luke 16:25-31) A natural, bodily miracle NEVER SAVED A SOUL. Although many believed on Jesus after He raised Lazarus from the dead, some remained in unbelief, and the nation as a whole called out for His crucifixion.(John 11:45,46) It is the preaching of the gospel that saves along with repentance and belief, irrespective whether miracles are performed. (Romans 10:8-15, John 10:41, Luke 20:1-19) Recall that Jesus stated that it was a wicked and adulterous generation that sought a sign.  


Go back with me in time to the Children of Israel during the 10 Plagues of Egypt, and their subsequent 40 years of wandering in the wilderness; when they drank water from a rock, and were fed manna from heaven.  Recall also how their clothes did not become threadbare nor the souls of their shoes wear out.  Who ever since the beginning of the world witnessed more miracles than they?  Yet for all those supernatural wonders wrought by Moses, unbelief kept all but a handful out of the Promised Land. (Numbers 14:20-35, Hebrews 3:7-19) That was the Law, now let’s examine the Prophets. Recall Gehazi, the servant of the prophet, Elisha.  He no doubt was acquainted with the double portion of the Spirit given to his master, (II Kings 2:9-15) and no doubt witnessed the healing of a water spring, (II Kings 2:19-22) the tragic death of 42 young children at the cursing of his master, (II Kings 2:23,24) the total annihilation of Moab’s army through a spirit revealed plan, (II Kings 3:10-27) the multiplication of olive oil, (II Kings 4:1-7) the prophecy and fulfilling of a miraculous birth of a child, (II Kings 4:12-17) the later raising of that child from the dead, (II Kings 4:18-37) the healing of a poisonous broth with meal, (II Kings 4:38-41) the multiplication of bread and corn, (II Kings 4:42-44) and finally the healing of Naaman the leper. (II Kings 5:8-14)  Yet, despite all this, Gehazi longed for natural rather than for spiritual things.  He was at last found out to be an unbeliever and was struck immediately with Naaman’s leprosy at the word of the prophet just as Ananias and Sapphira were struck with death for lying to the Holy Ghost at the word of the apostle. (II Kings 5:20-27, and Acts 5:1-11)     


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Part 5.4

Besides all of this, a healing, cleansing, raising, and a casting out may become lapsed or forfeited as they are not permanent.  Jesus had healed an impotent man that had been in that condition for 38 years.  Yet, when Jesus found him later in the temple He told him, “Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.” (John 5:1-15)  Remember all those who were brought back from the dead, died again whether they were raised by an OT prophet, Christ, or a NT apostle.  Lastly, recall that a devil previously cast out may return with 7 others to repossess that person.  Hear Matthew 12 with my emphasis. (See also Luke 11:24-26 
43.  When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none.
44.  Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out: and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 
45.  Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.  Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.  
The key to these verses is the 44th where the devil, upon a restless search at last returns to find his former house empty, swept, and garnished.  Yes, this house may now abhor and repudiate what it once held dear but no new spiritual furniture has been moved in to replace it.  While the trash may have been taken out, no anointing oil of the Spirit has exacted its sweetness upon this once filthy and corrupt domain. True, this house was garnished, even decorated to a “T” but it was not dedicated or consecrated so that the Sacred Dove of Peace, the Paraclete, the Holy Spirit should reside there.  Remember, Jesus cast 7 devils out of Mary Magdalene. (Mark 16:9)


So what am I driving at?  Yes, sin may have been the root cause of a bodily malady back in Bible days, (and possibly still today) but spirit possession was and still is a far greater tragedy.  Indeed, today you may have a withered hand, a deaf ear, a mute tongue, lame legs, and blind eyes; yes, even the dreaded disease of leprosy and yet be true subjects in the Kingdom of Christ.  This, however, is not the case with devil possession.   Some of you may have heard the old expression, “you can take the boy out of the country, but you cannot take the country out of the boy.”  In other words, the “good” nature of a man remains the same regardless of his current  surroundings.  This may be fine and dandy in the natural world, but it does not hold true in the spiritual realm.  Christ certainly has power to remove the Strong Man (which that man does not), but more importantly He MUST ALSO move the man out of that country, that is spiritually speaking the devil’s domain, (which that man cannot do) or he will lapse into a worse condition. 


Hear Jesus’ words from Matthew chapter 12. (See also Mark 3:27)


29.  Or elso how can one enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? And then he will spoil his house.  

This is why the death and resurrection of Jesus was an absolute necessity.  He had to fulfill the 6 spiritual requirements of Daniel 9:24, so that the kingdom could come. This is exactly what occurred at the cross as we have pointed out in an earlier installment.  The Strong Man was bound by Christ during His earthly ministry with the Power of His Word, totally vanquished at the cross and finally and forever triumphed over at His resurrection.  When Christ ascended on high He led captivity captive, that is, He broke open the prison house of the Strong Man and loosed the bands of sin and death, the epitome of man’s diseases of which devil possession, leprosy, blindness, lameness, etc, were but shadows.  Now resurrected, and having defeated death and the grave ALL POWER in heaven and earth is now given to Him.  He then sat down on the throne of His father, David ruling over the house of Jacob, forever.

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Post by Bro John Mon Aug 16, 2021 12:34 am

Part 5.5

My friend the king is spiritual.  He is God, therefore divine, as well as man.  And if the king is spiritual Who fulfilled 6 spiritual requirements for that kingdom of righteousness, so too must be His kingdom.  And if the kingdom is spiritual, so too must be its gospel.  And if the gospel is spiritual, so too must be the miracles that accompanied it.  Furthermore, if the gospel is spiritual so too must be its requirements for entering into its kingdom. (repentance and belief) And if the requirements be spiritual so too must be the subjects who cannot enter without possessing said requirements. But how can a natural man, a sinner, render those spiritual requirements, or give those credentials?  The short answer is: He cannot.  It is impossible for him to do so.  


Recall that we were formerly without hope, and without God. (Ephesians 2:12)

Recall that we have all gone astray.  We have all turned to our own way. (Isaiah 53:6)

Recall that we were taken captive by Satan according to his will. (II Timothy 2:25,26) 

Recall that we were blinded by the god of this world. (II Corinthians 4:4)  

Recall that we esteemed the Savior as undesirable; one to despise and reject. (Isaiah 53:2,3)


My brothers and sisters, Christ had to overpower the devil within and bestow upon us a new redeemed nature AND also take us out of the kingdom of darkness.  This regeneration (making alive, the resurrecting our spirit) occurred at the very same moment, or simultaneously, causing us to confess the Lord Jesus at that precise moment of our conversion and salvation.  In other words we are first regenerated, but once made alive we immediately believed.  Why was this necessary?  First, because we never saw any danger in our situation as it was in line and therefore palatable with our fallen nature.  Secondly, we despised and hated the man Who was chosen by God to be our redeemer.  Once acted upon by the Holy Ghost, however, we saw the grievous error of our way; in the love of our sin, and hatred of our Savior.  We were only made willing in the day of His [God’s} power. (Psalms 110:3)  Glory to the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world!   Let’s now take a look at Ephesians, chapter 2 with my emphasis.  


1    And you hath he quickened [made alive] who were dead in trespasses and sins; 

3.   Even when we were dead in our sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 

6.   And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 

10. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath ordained before that we should walk in them. 


Did you perceive what you read? You were fashioned, or formed, not just at your natural conception and birth, but more importantly at the New Creation when you were born from above.  In other words your new nature is created by God, and not you.  Sir, ma’am I know this may be hard to taste and swallow, so I will ask you a simple question.  If you had absolutely nothing to do with your natural or first birth here below, what makes you think you had anything to do with your 2nd birth which is from above and spiritual? (James 1:18, I Peter 1:23, Romans 9:15,16)  


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Post by Strangelove Mon Aug 16, 2021 1:45 pm

Sinful man will always try and take some kind of credit for his salvation.

"I chose God"
"I chose to believe in, and love Jesus"

My question is always.... if the perfect man is revealed to you... can you choose not to love him?

If God gives you the understanding of scripture's overwhelming evidence for the existence of Jesus... can you choose not to believe?

The answer is no.
We owe our salvation to God alone. All glory to him.

I did not choose God, He chose me.
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Post by Bro John Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:41 pm

Part 5.4

Allow me now to bring forward one of my favorite scriptures in the whole Bible which is material to our current discussion on the timing and nature of the kingdom taken from Colossians 1.  


13.  Who [God the Father] hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 


Paul wrote this epistle from a Roman prison in 64.  Jesus’ kingdom is NOW PRESENT, commenced after His glorious resurrection and ascension back to the Father and put on full display at Pentecost, not 2000 years or more into the future.  And this kingdom is spiritual in nature having nothing to do with the flesh.  This is why the casting out of demons by a Savior, and not the crushing defeat of mortal armies in battle by a general is the sign that the king and kingdom of God/heaven had at last come to men.  Think about that a little while.         


Before wrapping up, allow me to ask again the question I put forth at the start of this installment.  Who are the blessed of Matthew 5:3-11?  If you answered the spiritual, you would be correct.  But the Jews of Jesus’ day were carnal, not spiritual.  Recall that when Jesus fed the 5000 they wanted to seize Him by force in order to make Him their king.  But Jesus hid Himself. (John 6:14,15) Why?  Because His kingdom was not of this world.  It was not founded on natural things, nor was it constructed of those things which perpetuate the life of the flesh.  Recall that the men of Noah’s and Lot’s day (types of the last day of time) ate, drank, married, were given in marriage, builded, planted, bought and sold until the day their world was destroyed. (Matthew 24:36-39, Luke 17:28-30) These activities are not sinful in their proper sphere. But when they become the ‘be all, end all’ they have usurped the place of the true spiritual priority, and so are.  


We who are truly risen with Christ seek those things which are above.  Our affection is set on Christ in heaven, not on things in this life, below.  (Colossians 3:1,2)  What are those heavenly things?  Paul tells us the kingdom of God is not meat and drink (things that perpetuate the natural existence) but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.  (Romans 14:17)


Lastly, Jesus taught those whose belly He filled not to work for the food that perishes, but rather for the food He gives which endures unto everlasting life. (John 6:26:27)  Jesus is THE BREAD OF LIFE WHICH CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, WHICH IF A MAN EAT HE SHALL NEVER SEE DEATH. (See John 6:1-40)  But the Jews murmured at Him for saying He was the true bread which came down from heaven and could not understand His speech concerning the eating of His flesh and blood.  Many of his own disciples left Him after these words, so much so that Jesus asked the 12 if they also were going to abandon Him.  We have the same situation here as we had with the paralytic Jesus healed.  He told that man his sins were forgiven when healing his natural body.  This drove the Jews mad with anger.  So also were they likewise driven when Jesus told them He was the BREAD OF LIFE!  If they had taken the time to think through the ramifications of healing a paralytic and feeding 5000 men with a few loaves and fishes, their concerns would have vanished.  But no.  They were carnal fleshly men and as such viewed everything through that lens.  It has become blatantly obvious that the kingdom Jesus was instituting and the kingdom the unbelieving Jews were expecting were two different things. They are further away as the east is to the west if that were possible.  (See John 6:41-71)


Having looked at natural food, let us now finish our work with a look at the natural water.  Is Jesus merely one to quench the thirst of mortals?  No!  He told the Samaritan woman at the well that whosoever drinks natural water from a well would thirst again but whoever drinks of the water that He  gives would never thirst again for it would be a well of water springing up from within Him unto everlasting life. (John 4:13,14) See also John 7:37-39.  After the woman had left Jesus told the returning disciples that His own daily bread or food was working the will of the Father.  I have meat to eat that you know not is what He told them. (John 4:32-34) Even the disciples were fixated on the natural interpretation and so missed his meaning entirely.  


Allow me to leave you with my last words from Jesus the King from John 6:63.  


[size=44]It is the spirit that quickeneth; [/size]
[size=44]the flesh profiteth nothing:[/size]
[size=44]the words that I speak unto you; [/size]
[size=44]they are spirit and they are life.[/size]


Our next segment in the series is entitled, The king/kingdom rejected and Israel cursed.

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Post by Bro John Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:44 pm

6a


The Present Day Kingdom of Heaven


Where we prove beyond any doubt that the kingdom was not offered, rejected, withdrawn and postponed, but rather declared, rejected, and commenced.  


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Part 6 of TBD
The King/Kingdom Is Rejected -- Israel is Cursed  


We have now arrived at a crucial juncture in this series.  It has been made plain that the kingdom that Jesus came to bring was strictly of a spiritual nature, having nothing to do with the flesh, nor that which maintains or perpetuates the natural life.  It has also been made clear that the Jews in Jesus’ day were in expectation of the EXACT OPPOSITE to that which Jesus was preaching; one in which their physical demands would be abundantly provided for; an Old Covenant 2.0 on steroids, if you will.  Although Dispensationalists tell us that Jesus came to bring THE SAME KINGDOM the Jews expected, nothing could be further from the truth.  He did no such thing, or if He did they would have IMMEDIATELY accepted His terms.  He did not refuse to be their king; rather He refused to be their KIND OF king.  This is proven when He withdrew from the multitude when He perceived they would take Him by force to be their king.  


Brother, Jesus did not come to feed or heal men’s bodies; but their souls.  Sister, He did not pierce the vail of this terrestrial plane to redeem us from mortal men; but rather, from spiritual wickedness in high places.  Allow me once again to remind you that the king is spiritual.  He is God, therefore eternal and divine, the God/man.  And if the king is spiritual Who fulfilled 6 spiritual requirements for that kingdom of righteousness, so too must be His kingdom.  And if the kingdom is spiritual, so too must be its gospel.  And if the gospel is spiritual, so too must be the miracles that accompanied it.  Further, if the gospel is spiritual so too must be its requirements for entering into said kingdom. And if the requirements be spiritual so too must be the subjects who cannot enter in without being in possession of said requirements. 


At this time we come to unpack the main points of contention between the Amill, and the  Dispensationalist positions concerning the kingdom.  We begin without further ado.  Amill’s teach that the kingdom is spiritual as we have abundantly proven; proclaimed by John the Baptist and Jesus, rejected by the Jews, received by Jesus at His resurrection/ascension and commenced from heaven.  Our Dispensationalist friends, on the other hand, contend that the kingdom was earthly, or physical, and merely offered to the Jews with the final word of acceptance or denial lying within their sole power and discretion, and upon being rejected, said offer was withdrawn and postponed until the very end of days by God, Himself.    


We move on to investigate whether the kingdom was a regal proclamation; to be immediately and joyfully received, or merely an offer to be accepted or denied solely at the whim or caprice of the junior contracting party.  Allow me to now to set before you once again, the glorious prophecy of Zechariah 9:9 as interpreted by the apostle, Matthew found in chapter 21.


5.  Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt, the foal of an ass.       


The midst of Daniel’s 70th week had at last come.  We know Jesus came as described, on a donkey and colt.  If He came as described so that the scriptures could be fulfilled, how could He come if He was not THE KING?  Do you see any offer here to be accepted or rejected?  There is none.  Hear how Mark, Luke, and John interpret this prophecy with my emphasis.
Mark   11:10. Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest.
The faithful “house of Jacob” are fully cognizant as to what is unfolding before their very eyes.  It is the fulfillment of God’s word to David in II Samuel 7:12-16, and I Chronicles 17:11-14.  Did the people consider this to be an offer to be given a thumbs up or thumbs down?  No, indeed.
Luke  19:37-40.  And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;
38.  Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.
39.  And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples. 
40.  And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
Can you just imagine this scene being played out?  The disciples knew what was happening and rejoiced greatly.  The pharisees also witnessed the very same spectacle and instead of praising God called upon Jesus to rebuke His disciples.  Did Jesus comply?  No, He said the very stones would cry out if these held their peace.  So, who would you believe; the disciples of Jesus the Christ, or the false disciples of Moses, the pharisees.  This is proof positive that Jesus NEVER, EVER put the kingdom on hold.  Hallelujah to the Lamb of God, King of Israel!  
John 12:13.  [Much people] Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord. 


The Son of David was at long last in their midst!   How could the faithful refrain from stooping to lay palm branches in the path of the King while at the same time lifting their voices on high? 

The “common people” who heard Jesus gladly were endowed with a God given faith to believe.  They knew the scripture.  They knew the timing.  But David was not here.  Ah, but the Son of David was.  They comprehended the truth of the personal promise to David, while the Jewish leaders could not. The kingdom of heaven belonged to such as these.  (Matthew 5:2,3, Mark 12:35-40) The argument that Jesus was merely contracting with the Jews of His day is full of subtlety (and I use that term purposefully) for there never was a contractual offer to be accepted or rejected, but rather a declaration to be immediately and joyfully received.  Further, there could be no viable contract as the terms as defined by the High contracting party had been mis  - construed by the junior party; making any agreement null and void on its face.  There was no requisite meeting of the minds; hence there could be no binding contract.  And because there could be no contract with the 1st century Jew, neither could there be one with their 21st century counterpart regardless whether they be descendent, successor, or assign, at any time there  after.  It follows, therefore, that if there was no genuine bona - fide offer, neither then could there be a postponement or withdrawal of said offer in the future.   No consent = No contract.  

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Post by Bro John Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:45 pm

6b
In other words, the true issue at hand is not what the writers of the OT law, and prophecy saw and wrote, and what Dispensationalists cling to as truth, but what Jesus and His 12 apostles interpreted those scriptures written by Moses and the prophets to actually mean. (Luke 24:32, 44,45, John 14:26,16:13)  If you get nothing else out of this series, get this.  The OT said Elijah would come before Jesus.  He did.  And Jesus said that Elijah was John the Baptist. 


We come now to the 2nd issue; that of rejection of the kingdom.  We are told by our friends of the Dispensationalist persuasion that the refusal or rejection of the kingdom by the Jews took place between Matthew chapters 10- 14 and is supposedly proven by Jesus’ word to Peter in Matthew 16 that upon His confession, “thou art the Christ”  He would begin to build His church, thereby laying aside, or withdrawing the offer of the kingdom and thereby postponing it until some time in the far flung future, known only to Him.   Along with Jesus’ strict orders forbidding any man to confess Him as the Christ this would be all the proof we Amill’s should need to come around to the Dispensationalist way of thinking, right?  Not so fast. The kingdom was not rejected by the Jews so as to be withdrawn by Christ and postponed as we have seen.  Man is not given a choice as it was no offer.  Hear God the Father thundering from His throne from  Psalms 2:6,7, “Yet [despite all what men do to the contrary] have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.  I will declare the decree; the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.  Dispensationalists are fond of calling this period known as The Church Age as “the great pause” or “parenthesis”.  I will have you know that the Church Age is neither a pause or a parenthesis; neither is it an apostrophe, a comma, an ellipse or a semi -colon.  It is the eternal plan of God which marches along on time and goes along unhindered and unimpeded by men.  (Daniel 4:35, Romans 11:33-36) We will explore Psalms 2:6,7 and the ancillary NT scriptures regarding it along with related topics to The Kingdom Set Up, Instituted, & Commenced in our next segment.  Spoiler alert:  Did you notice in the Psalms 2:6,7 scripture just above that the resurrection and kingdom are simultaneous? Please review this scripture.   


But what saith the scripture regarding the novel interpretation of withdrawal and postponement?  Well, after Jesus’ supposedly abandoned the kingdom of heaven for the church we find Him still teaching THE VERY SAME THING!  He preaches the Parable of the Wicked Servant (which is likened to the kingdom of heaven) in Matthew 18:23-35, the Parable of the Householder (which is like to the kingdom of heaven) in Matthew 20:1-16, and the Parable of Marriage of the King’s Son (which is like to the kingdom of heaven) in Matthew 22:1-14; all three highlighting, not the church, but rather the kingdom of heaven AFTER the Matthew 16 watershed. Jesus uses the same language in these supposed post “offer” scriptures that He utilized in the supposed pre “offer” scriptures.  This should be a convincing proof to all that the kingdom was not withdrawn.  


Moreover, Jesus preaches that His disciples were to become as children, for of such is the kingdom of heaven in Matthew 19:14; again after the Dispensational watershed moment of Matthew 16.   Why would He teach His disciples this if in fact the church was then being built and the kingdom of heaven put on hold?  Why would he speak well of eunuchs who made made themselves such for the kingdom of heaven in Matthew 19:12, if the church was not synonymous with it?  Why would Jesus aim and discharge His first “woe unto you scribes and pharisees, hypocrites!,” on them who “shut up the kingdom of heaven against men”, who neither went in themselves, nor suffered them “that were entering to go in”?  How could the pharisees shut up what Christ had already supposedly closed?  Here again is an obvious proof that Christ had not withdrawn the kingdom.  Lastly, consider this oxymoronic statement that Jesus made if the kingdom of heaven is not in complete harmony with the church.  It is taken from the Dispensationalist playbook in Matthew 16:17-19.  After Peter’s confession and Christ’s word to him about the church, Jesus states the following: “and I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven.”   What need had Peter for the keys of a withdrawn and postponed kingdom which would not come for three millennia?  Again, the answer is obvious.  The kingdom was never withdrawn or postponed.   This is self-evident, or should be to all who have eyes to see.

Allow me now to take a step back to cite a few examples of the Jew’s rejection of Jesus.  I do not have time or space to chronicle each and every passage.  Allow the following scriptural examples to suffice: We see His rejection by His immediate family, (John 7:5) His home-town neighbors, (Luke 4:16-30) His friends, (Mark 3:21) His outer disciples, (John 6:53-66) the scribes (Luke 6:7) pharisees, (Matthew 12:14) Herodians, (Mark 3:6) lawyers, (Luke 10:25) the sadducees, (Matthew 16:1-4)and the High Priests. (John 11:45-56) The scriptural record is clear.  He was despised and rejected of men, a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief.  He came unto His own and His own received Him not.  But some received Him, and these became the beneficiaries of the kingdom, becoming by faith, the very sons of God. (Isaiah 53:3, John 1:11) Upon His non-acceptance by the nation of Israel at the triumphal entry mercy and grace were exhausted and this rejection of Jesus by the Jews turned out to be the last straw; the 491st to be laid on the back of the lowly, King Jesus.  He had forgiven 70 X 7.  His actions matched His words to Peter. (Matthew 18:22) But the Father had had enough of their treatment of His Son and now the Jews would receive the full measure of the nation’s rejection of the prophets of God, and the God of the prophets. (Matthew 23:29-36, John 12:35-50) No longer would they be overcome and scattered with a promise of a return.  They were now cursed.          

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Post by Bro John Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:58 pm

Part 6c

But some will say, what about those scriptures stating that God would bless those who blessed Abraham and curse them who cursed him”?  Yes, God did promise Abraham this very thing back in Genesis 12:3 when He told him to leave his native land and go to the land God would show him.  But Abraham is no longer alive in body traversing the earth in search of this land or city.  (Hebrews 11:8-10, 12:22-24)   He is in full possession of them and has been for 4 full millennia.  A question for you:  If every blasphemy spoken against the Son of man will be forgiven, what think ye of the blasphemy against a mere mortal?  (Luke 12:10) A few more will counter with the following: What about the verse that says “he that toucheth [for harm] you [Israel] touches the apple of God’s eye”? (Zechariah 2:9)  Again, I admit that this was truly prophesied; but 500+ years before the birth of Jesus Christ.  Dispensationalists are famous for digging up and resurrecting OT passages that have already served their appointed time and purpose only to be brought forth again from the dead to be magically fulfilled in the NT.  Beware of them.  This is their Modus Operandi.  Don’t be deceived.  Israel, as a nation is cursed.   


Allow me to prove my point that Israel was cursed with their 491st rejection of Jesus.  Do you not remember that before entering the city the next day after His triumphal entry that Jesus cursed the fig tree?  And after so doing it withered away. (See Matthew 21:20,21) The fig tree is representative of the nation of Israel. (See Joel 1:6,7, Mark 13:28)  This is incontrovertible.  This is illustrated for us by the Holy Ghost in Luke 13:6-9.  The owner of the vineyard is God, the Father.  The Dresser of this vineyard is Christ, His Son.  The fig tree is the nation of Israel.  Christ’s ministry lasted for 3 ½ years.  This ministry was directed primarily to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matthew 10:6, and 15:24) It is clear that as a nation Israel bare no fruit just as its forebears, and that tree was cut down in 70 AD, never to be wet again with the dew of heaven in order to send forth any future green shoots proving its vitality. No, Israel, as a nation was dead.  (Daniel 4:22-26, Matthew 23:29-39, and John 12:36,37) 

Consider the 3 Parables Jesus spoke after cursing the fig tree.  They are The Parable of the Man with 2 Sons, (Matthew 21:28-32)The Parable of the Householder’s Vineyard,(Matthew 21:33-46) and The Parable of the Marriage of the King’s Son, (Matthew 22:1-14)  Woe, woe, woe unto them!  What response did the pharisees give to Jesus’ question regarding what the lord of the vineyard would do to the wicked husbandmen (the chief priests and pharisees)?  “He will miserably destroy those wicked men and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen which shall render him the fruits in their seasons”. (Matthew 21:41 with my emphasis) In the midst of these damning parables, however, Jesus tells the chief priests and elders of the people that God was taking the kingdom from them and giving it to another nation that would bring forth the fruits of it. (Matthew 21:43).  He did not say merely another far flung future generation of the same people group, but rather another nation altogether.  Who is this nation?  They are the people who were not formerly a people. (See Hosea 2:23, I Peter 2:9,10, and Romans 9:23-29)    

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Post by Bro John Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:59 pm

Part 6d
After these three parables and the subsequent total smackdown of the pharisees, Herodians, sadducees, and lawyers who all tried to trip Him up He gives His final scorched earth denunciation of the scribes/pharisees, and upon completion, He departs.  (Matthew 22:15-23:39)    As mentioned in an earlier segment this departing of Jesus from the Temple was in essence the same as God departing the temple in the Book of Ezekiel; with one caveat:  He would never return.  The Jewish people missed the time of their visitation. There would not be another.   


As we begin to wrap up, allow me to bring forward an interpretation of the scriptures regarding the cursing or laying aside of the nation of Israel; one which you have likely never heard before, but in complete harmony with what has already been put forth.  Neither have I seen it and so with humility do I leave it at your feet for your further research as there is nothing new under the sun.  It is found in Jeremiah 31, the chapter that the New Covenant is mentioned in.  After fleshing out the details of the New Covenant, the Holy Spirit tells us this with my emphasis


35.  Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves roar; the LORD of hosts is his name: 
36.  If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me forever.   


So what’s the fuss?  The sun gets up and shines every day; the moon and the stars, likewise.  But where was the nation of Israel between 70 and 1948?  The sun, moon, and stars were still shining in their courses above.  However, the nation was not.  It ceased to be a nation.  And it ceased to be a nation by scriptural definition F -O - R- E - V - E- R.  And when you look at the apocalyptic language of Mark 13, and Luke 21 you will understand when this phenomenon took place.  While I do not have time to exegete these chapters we know that the Abomination of Desolation, the sign of the evil to come upon Jerusalem, is clearly interpreted by Luke to be the Roman army which did not leave one temple stone upon another that was not thrown down. (Matthew 24:15,16 Mark 13:14, Luke 21:20,21) Knowing that the Abomination of Desolation is joined at the hip with The Great Tribulation we begin to understand Jesus’ words from Mark 13. 


24.  But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25.  And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.


You see, it was after the tribulation of 70 AD that the celestial lights prophetically went out and ceased to shine.  This was the sign that Israel from that moment ceased to be a nation, forever.  Man’s later laws, or decrees; whether they be the Balfour Declaration, a Jewish Law of Return or a United Nations Mandate cannot overrule the Word of God.  Yes, men say Israel is a political nation; but they are not a nation before God.  Please notice the words of Jeremiah 31:37.  They do not say that “all the seed of Israel'' would be cast off.  That would only occur “if heaven above could be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath.”  Jeremiah 31:37.  God has not cast away every Jew, just the nation. (Romans 11:1) Some, I hope, no many I trust will be saved once the fulness of the Gentiles have come into the kingdom and so they too shall take their place in the fruitful olive tree.  But we must not countenance their fleshly, cherished earthly 1000 year kingdom nor the Dispensationalists efforts to bring it to pass.  Keep in mind I am a biblicist; not a preterist, dispensationalist, nor an idealist.  Full preterism is heresy.  
Should you have any comments, questions or criticisms of any part of this work, particularly the final portion of this current installment please contact me @ manovclay1@gmail.com.  

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