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Post by zone on Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:43 pm

Fury Over Warrant for Arrest of Leading Rabbi
Published: 02/07/11, 10:08 PM / Last Update: 02/07/11, 10:39 PM

by Gil Ronen

The Israel Police have issued an arrest warrant against Rabbi Dov Lior, one of the most prominent Zionist rabbis and halakhic decision makers, who is Rabbi of Kiryat Arba in the Hevron district, causing furious reactions among religious and nationalist spokespersons.

The warrant was issued after the rabbi refused to come in for questioning regarding the halakhic approbation he wrote at the beginning of a book called Torat HaMelech, which was written by another rabbi. The book discussed the theoretical attitude of Jewish Law toward killing a non-Jew in wartime.

An approbation or "haskama" (literally "consent") from respected rabbis is commonly sought by rabbis who write works of Judaica and its inclusion at the start of this kind of book means only that the halakhic reasoning in it is coherent.

The Commander of the Hevron Police appeared at the rabbi's home a few days ago and informed Rabbi Lior of the arrest warrant against him. The rabbi told the officer that he would not take part in this blatant demeaning of the Torah and would not go to a police interrogation that was meant to "muzzle rabbis."

People close to Rabbi Lior said they were amazed at the chutzpah exhibited by the police and state prosecution, in issuing an arrest warrant against a Torah sage. "The purpose of the investigation, like the investigations against dozens of rabbis in recent months, is to silence people. Those who close police files against leaders in the Arab public who call to destroy the State of Israel, or against leftist professors who call to harm IDF soldiers, should think twice before issuing a warrant against Rabbi Lior."

MK Dr. Michael Ben-Ari (National Union) called the news "scandalous."

"There is a rule of terror here," Ben-Ari said, "and I would like to know where all the leftists who spoke about silencing opinions just a few days ago have gone." Ben-Ari called the warrant an instance of "McCarthyism" and said it was reminiscent of dark regimes.

The grassroots Council of Binyamin and Samaria Residents said the warrant was "a declaration of war by the State Prosecution against the Jewish faith and its standard bearers."

"This warrant is a slap in the face of generations of the Jewish nation... We call upon whoever cares about the Jewish character of his nation to get up and resist - even physically - the wild and anti-Jewish act."

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/142194
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Post by zone on Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:47 pm

Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira suspected of incitement against non-Jews

Yitzhar rabbi arrested on suspicion of incitement to violence against non-Jews after his book, 'Torat Hamelech' says, 'There's no prohibition against killing gentile who violated Laws of Noah'Eli Senyor Published: 07.26.10, 09:41 / Israel News

Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira of Yitzhar was arrested on Monday on suspicion of incitement to violence against non-Jews. Shapira was probed following the publication of his book "Torat Hamelech" (The King's Torah) which addresses questions related to harming non-Jews.

He was arrested at the end of a joint Israel Police and Judea and Samaria District Police investigation, and under the orders of Attorney General Yehuda Weinstein.

Shapira wrote in his book, "When we encounter a gentile who has violated the Seven Laws of Noah and kill him out of concern for upholding the seven mitzvoth, no prohibition has been violated."

According to the rabbi, "Anywhere where the presence of a gentile poses a threat to Israel, it is permissible to kill him, even if it is a righteous gentile who is not responsible for the threatening situation."

Police raided the rabbi's home Monday morning and arrested him. They confiscated several items from his home and transferred the rabbi to the offices of the national crime investigations unit in Lod, where he was questioned under warning.

Last year 11 organizations filed a petition against the rabbi and Rabbi Yosef Yirmiyahu Elitzur claiming the book was a stage for unruly racial incitement, and was drenched in racist messages that discriminate between people based solely on race and nationality. The petitioners include the 12Heshvan organization, Ne'emanei Torah V'Avodah, Realistic Religious Zionism, Kolech, the religions women's form, and more.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3925115,00.html


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Post by zone on Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:50 pm

The Hasidic Gentile Movement

The following assortment of articles and essays provide information on some aspects of the proper means by which to bring about the Hasidic Gentile movement, based on the explanations and directives of the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, head of the Chabad Lubavitch Hasidic movement.


The Law is Only a Minimum


In contrast to the wicked Christian doctrine that the Law is too difficult to follow and that everyone falls short of the Law, the Bible (Hebrew Scriptures) clearly teaches that G-d's Law is the absolute minimum that He expects everyone to follow. The Law is merely the foundation for our spiritual service to G-d; we start by obeying every detail of the Law--which is not too difficult--and then we can begin building our spiritual "house" in this world, helping to bring the revelation of G-d's kingdom into the physical world.

http://noahide.com/minimum.htm
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Post by Strangelove on Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:01 pm

zone wrote:we start by obeying every detail of the Law--which is not too difficult--

Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

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Re: Talmudism

Post by zone on Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:22 pm

Strangelove wrote:

Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

Galatians 5:3
For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

Galatians 5:6
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
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Post by zone on Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:29 pm

Strangelove wrote:

Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

The Temptation

Matthew 4:7
Jesus said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”

http://esv.scripturetext.com/matthew/4.htm
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Re: Talmudism

Post by KingdomSeeker on Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:54 pm

http://www.scribd.com/doc/33627878/U-S-Government-Lays-Groundwork-for-Talmudic-Courts

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Post by zone on Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:34 am

U.S. Government Lays Groundwork for Talmudic Courts
Dec 28, 2007

US government under Presidents Reagan, Bush and Clinton, has provided, under the euphemism of education (for example, House Joint Resolution 173 and Public Law 102-14), a groundwork for the establishment of Talmudic "courts of justice" to be administered by disciples of Shneur Zalman's Chabad successor, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson.

Maimonides ruled that it is a Jewish court -- or a court appointed by Jewish authority--that enforces obedience and passes judgment on Gentiles, as well as promulgating legislation by court order for thatpurpose. Maimonides further decreed that any non-Jewish nation "not subject to our jurisdiction" (tahaht yadeinu) will be the target of Jewish holy war.
(Cf. Hilkhot Melakhim 8:9-10; 10:11. Also cf. Gerald J. Blidstein, "Holy War in Maimonidean Law," in Perspectives on Maimonides [Oxford, England: Oxford Univ. Press, 1991].

These courts are to be convened allegedly under the "Noahide Laws" (proscriptions against idolatry supposedly based on the covenant with Noah).

The U.S. presidents and Congress urged the adoption of the "Noahide" Laws as interpreted by Chabad-Lubavitch Grand Rabbi Schneerson.

Prof. Easterly of the Southern University Law Center, a Jewish legal expert, has compared this Public law 102-14 to the "first rays of dawn" which "evidence the rising of a still unseen sun."The Jewish Encyclopedia envisages a Noahide regime as a possible world order immediately preceding the universal reign of the Talmud.

It has to be understood that we are not dealing with the Noah of the Bible when the religion of Judaism refers to "Noahide law," but the Noahide law as understood and interpreted by the absolute system of falsification that constitutes the Talmud. Under the Talmud's counterfeit Noahide Laws, the worship of Jesus is forbidden under penalty of death, since such worship of Christ is condemned by Judaism as idolatry.

(* there's that utopian "golden age")
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Post by Strangelove on Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:16 am

Oh nice find KS. Neutral

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Post by KingdomSeeker on Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:30 am

Thanks pirat

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Re: Talmudism

Post by zone on Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:09 pm



Benjamin Freedman wrote the following in 1954 for Dr David Goldstein, LL.D. of Boston, Massachusetts, to explain the history of Khazarian Jews.

It has been printed as a booklet with the title Facts are Facts.


My Dear Dr. Goldstein,

Your very outstanding achievements as a convert to Catholicism impress me as without a comparable parallel in modern history. Your devotion to the doctrine and the dogmas of the Roman Catholic Church defy any attempt at description by me only with words. Words fail me for that.

As a vigorous protagonist preserving so persistently in propagating the principles of the Roman Catholic Church, - its purposes, its policies, its programs, - your dauntless determination is the inspiration for countless others who courageously seek to follow in your footsteps.

In view of this fact it requires great courage for me to write to you as I am about to do. So I pray you receive this communication from me you will try to keep in mind Galatians 4:16 "Am I therefor become you enemy, because I tell you the truth?"

I hope you will so favor me.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/audio/Benjamin.H.Freedman/The.Truth.about.Khazars

the above document is filled with info.


this excerpt from the above comes from the Jewish Encyclopedia:

"CHAZARS: A people of Turkish origin whose life and history are interwoven with THE VERY BEGINNINGS OF THE HISTORY OF THE JEWS OF RUSSIA...driven on by the nomadic tribes of the steppes and by THEIR OWN DESIRE FOR PLUNDER AND REVENGE...In the second half of the sixth century the Chazars moved westward...The kingdom of the chazars was firmly established in MOST OF SOUTH RUSSIA LONG BEFORE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE RUSSIAN MONARCHY BY THE VARANGIAN (855)...At this time the kingdom of the Chazars stood at the height of its power AND WAS CONSTANTLY AT WAR... At the end of the eighth century...the chagan (king) of the Chazars and his grandees, TOGETHER WITH A LARGE NUMBER OF HIS HEATHEN PEOPLE, EMBRACED THE JEWISH RELIGION... The Jewish population in the entire domain of the Chazars, in the period between the seventh and tenth centuries, MUST HAVE BEEN CONSIDERABLE... about THE NINTH CENTURY, IT APPEARS AS IF ALL THE CHAZARS WERE JEWS AND THAT THEY HAD BEEN CONVERTED TO JUDAISM ONLY A SHORT TIME BEFORE... It was one of the successors of Bulan named Obadiah, who regenerated the kingdom and STRENGTHENED THE JEWISH RELIGION. He invited Jewish scholars to settle in his dominions, and founded SYNAGOGUES AND SCHOOLS. The people were instructed in the bible, Mishnah, and the TALMUD and in the `divine service of the hazzanim'.. In their writings the CHAZARS USED THE HEBREW LETTERS ... THE CHAZAR LANGUAGES PREDOMINATED... Obadiah was succeeded by his son Isaac; Isaac by his son Moses (or Manasseh II); the latter by his son Nisi; and Nisi by his son Aaron II. King Joseph himself was a son of Aaron, AND ASCENDED THE THRONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW OF THE CHAZARS RELATING TO SUCCESSION... The king had twenty-five wives, all of royal blood, and sixty concubines, all famous beauties. Each one slept in a separate tent and was watched by a eunuch...THIS SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN THE BEGINNING OF THE DOWNFALL OF THE CHAZAR KINGDOM ... The Russian Varangians established themselves at Kiev... until the final conquest of the Chazars by the Russians...After a hard fight the Russians conquered the Chazars... Four years later the Russians conquered all the Chazarian territory east of the Azov ... many members of the Chazarian royal family emigrated to Spain... Some went to Hungary, BUT THE GREAT MASS OF THE PEOPLE REMAINED IN THEIR NATIVE COUNTRY."
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Re: Talmudism

Post by KingdomSeeker on Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:25 am

http://www.thesanhedrin.org/en/index.php/Ha

1) We have come here, at the gracious invitation of Mr. Adnan Oktar, otherwise known as Harun Yahya, to look for leadership in the Islamic community. Over the centuries there have rarely been sincere leaders who fought for truth and understanding and against corruption and disbelief. We have heard that Harun Yahya is leading an intellectual struggle against atheist ideologies to increase belief and end corruption and atheism in the world. We understand that together we are looking forward to the fulfillment of the prophecy of Zephania:
For then will I turn clear language to the Nations, that they may all call upon the name of G-d, to serve Him shoulder to shoulder.
We understand that Harun Yahya, as we also, looks forward to the time when the Children of Israel become more devout, worshiping as G-d commanded, in the land G-d commanded. ”Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto G-d, as in the days of old, and as in ancient years."
Our common agenda is clear: we live in a time of conflict, atheism, extreme fanaticism and extreme laxity. Righteous Jews and non-Jews must oppose this decline. It is the obligation of each and every individual to follow the commandments of G-d, sincerely and with perfect faith. Conflict and atheism are best addressed by leadership. From time to time G-d chooses leaders, and we look to these leaders to shepherd their people, to return them to the covenant G-d has made with all mankind.


. . . . . . . . .

Plan of peace


7) Out of a sense of collective responsibility for world peace and for all humanity we have found it timely to call to the World and exclaim that there is a way out for all peoples. It is etched in a call to all humanity: We are all the sons of one father, the descendants of Adam, and all humanity is but a single family. Peace among Nations will be achieved through building the House of G-d, where all peoples will serve as foreseen by King Solomon in his prayers at the dedication of the First Holy Temple. Come let us love and respect one another, and love and honor and hold our heavenly Father in awe. Let us establish a house of prayer in His name in order to worship and serve Him together, for the sake of His great compassion. He surely does not want the blood of His creations spilled, but prefers love and peace among all mankind. We pray to the Almighty Creator, that you harken to our Call. Together - each according to his or her ability - we shall work towards the building of the House of Prayer for All Nations on the Temple Mount in peace and mutual understanding.

Who is Adnan Oktar/Harun Yahya?
http://www.harunyahya.com/index.php


Funny enough, this guy is AGAINST Kabballah, and Zionistic Judaism as well as Fremasonry.
http://www.globalfreemasonry.com/global_freemasonry_02.html

So Whas going on here?

Here is a transcript from the meating between sanhedrin representativs, Adnan Oktar, and i belive a "Noahide gentile"

http://www.thesanhedrin.org/en/images/b/b3/Hachrazah_5769_Tamuz_9b.pdf
"Insha’Allah. If we co-operate very closely, insha’Allah, then the whole of Asia,
the whole of the Middle East and the whole world will enter a period of immaculate peace and
ease, insha’Allah. But Muslims and Jews, in my own opinion, and also Christians, form a very
good alliance. In fact, if there is the will, the world can be made a perfect place in a week, a
month or at most a year. It can happen very fast. The whole problem is in putting things into
practice, to be practical, establishing a climate of safety, of sincerity, and of love and fervor. It can

be done very quickly in such a climate"

Here is some more sites that I beleive, are setting theframework for whats to come:

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/relations-jews-docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_20070313_commissione-bilaterale_en.html

http://www.mcleanministries.com/ICA.html

Sigh....Why doesnt anyone read Ezekiel 8...


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Post by Strangelove on Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:28 am

It can happen very fast. The whole problem is in putting things into
practice, to be practical, establishing a climate of safety
, of sincerity, and of love and fervor.


This means putting the theoretical noahide laws into practice and having them enforced. 'Climate of safety' means law enforcement.

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Post by KingdomSeeker on Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:00 am

yup.


Funny, i found this: http://www.joelstrumpet.com/?p=2395

And here is a quote from Rabbi Glick(one of the founders of the temple institute.

"RABBI YEHUDAH GLICK: La ilahe illa Allah (There is no god only Allah)."

...seriously? ...me thinks I have been looking at allot of things in the wrong...

ummm... I know that Allah is the "arabic word for 'God' " but really? somthings fishy...

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Post by zone on Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:25 pm

KingdomSeeker wrote:talmudism

excellent work Rob!!!
we take our eyes off that tiger for a moment and it's moved and grown.
i'll be coming back to this later today.
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Post by zone on Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:26 pm

Strangelove wrote:

This means putting the theoretical noahide laws into practice and having them enforced. 'Climate of safety' means law enforcement.
that's exactly right Doc.
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Post by zone on Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:28 pm

KingdomSeeker wrote:yup.


Funny, i found this: http://www.joelstrumpet.com/?p=2395

And here is a quote from Rabbi Glick(one of the founders of the temple institute.

"RABBI YEHUDAH GLICK: La ilahe illa Allah (There is no god only Allah)."

...seriously? ...me thinks I have been looking at allot of things in the wrong...

ummm... I know that Allah is the "arabic word for 'God' " but really? somthings fishy...
part of the strategy, and the "Legal" ability to lie is built right into the Talmud.
if they have to say false things to get the desired result they can.
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Post by Strangelove on Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:31 pm

~Gospel Break~

Mar 7:1 Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.
Mar 7:2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.
Mar 7:3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
Mar 7:4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
Mar 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

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Post by Strangelove on Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:34 pm

"My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament). for in the laws of the Torah there are positive and negative precepts;15 but, as to the laws of the Scribes, whoever transgresses any of the enactments of the Scribes incurs the penalty of death."

-Talmud - Erubin 21b (Soncino edition)

"Those who devote themselves to reading the Bible exercise a certain virtue, but not very much; those who study the Mishnah exercise virtue for which they will receive a reward; those however who take upon themselves to study the Gemara exercise the highest virtue"

- Bava Metzia 33a




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Post by Strangelove on Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:57 pm

The Talmud (Babylonian edition) records other sins of "Jesus the Nazarene":

  1. He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).
  2. He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).
  3. He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh—which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).

Admitted by Jewish source here - http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm

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Post by Strangelove on Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:21 pm

The Jewish Encyclopedia says that Jesus is described in the talmud.

"The Jewish legends in regard to Jesus are found in three sources, each independent of the others—(1) in New Testament apocrypha and Christian polemical works, (2) in the Talmud and the Midrash, and (3) in the life of Jesus ("Toledot Yeshu'") that originated in the Middle Ages. It is the tendency of all these sources to be-little the person of Jesus by ascribing to him illegitimate birth, magic, and a shameful death. In view of their general character they are called indiscriminately legends."

"It is certain, in any case, that the rabbinical sources also regard Jesus as the "son of Pandera", although it is noteworthy that he is called also "Ben Sṭada" (Shab. 104b; Sanh. 67a)."

"According to Celsus (in Origen, "Contra Celsum," i. 28) and to the Talmud(Shab. 104b), Jesus learned magic in Egypt and performed his miracles by means of it;"


"Different in nature is the witchcraft attributed to Jesus in the "Toledot."

"A passage of the Talmud (Sanh. 43a) ascribes five disciples to Jesus: "Matthai" (Matthew), "Nakai" (Luke), "Nezer" (Nazarene, a general designation for Christian in antiquity), "Boni" (probably the Nicodemus mentioned by John), and "Thoda" (Thaddæus). The following are mentioned in the "Toledot" (Huldricus, p. 35): "Simeon" (Peter), "Matthia" (Matthew), "Elikum" (Luke), "Mordecai" (Mark), "Thoda" (Thaddæus), and "Johannos" (John)—that is, the four evangelists plus Peter and Thaddæus. Paul is mentioned in another connection, and (p. 48) Judas "the betrayer": it is to be noted that the last-named does not occur at all in Talmudic legends."

"some medieval apologists for Judaism, as Naḥmanides and Salman Ẓebi, based on this fact their assertion that the "Yeshu'" mentioned in the Talmud was not identical with Jesus; this, however, is merely a subterfuge."

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Maimonides



Moses ben-Maimon, called Maimonides and also known as Rambam, was a preeminent medieval Jewish philosopher and one of the greatest Torah scholars and physicians of the Middle Ages. He was born in Córdoba, Spain on Passover Eve, 1135, and died in Egypt (or Tiberias) on 20th Tevet, December 12, 1204.[8] He was a rabbi, physician and philosopher in Morocco and Egypt.

Although his writings on Jewish law and ethics were met with respectful opposition during his life, he was posthumously acknowledged to be one of the foremost rabbinical arbiters and philosophers in Jewish history, his copious work a cornerstone of Jewish scholarship. His fourteen-volume Mishneh Torah still carries canonical authority as a codification of Talmudic law. In the Yeshiva world he is known as "haNesher haGadol" (the great eagle) in recognition of his outstanding status as a bona fide exponent of the Oral Torah, particularly on account of the manner in which his Mishneh Torah is elucidated by Talmudic scholar, Chaim Soloveitchik.

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Post by Strangelove on Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:58 pm

Mishneh Torah » Sefer Madda » Avodah Kochavim » Chapter Nine

Halacha 4

The Canaanites are idol worshipers, and Sunday is their festival. Accordingly, in Eretz Yisrael, it is forbidden to conduct transactions with them on Thursday and Friday each and every week, and, needless to say, on Sunday itself, when transactions with them are forbidden everywhere.

Mishneh Torah » Sefer Kedushah » MaAchalot Assurot » Chapter 11

With regard to any gentile who does not serve false deities, e.g., the Arabs: It is forbidden to drink his wine, but it is permitted to benefit from it. The Geonim rule in this manner. With regard to those who worship false deities, by contrast, it is forbidden to benefit from their ordinary wine

FOOTNOTE: [Our translation follows the standard version of the Mishneh Torah. The uncensored text reads: "Christians, by contrast, are idolaters. It is forbidden to benefit...." The Rama (Orach Chayim 155:1) rules that Christianity violates only the prohibition against shituf, worshipping another entity together with God, and gentiles are not prohibited against such worship. It must be emphasized that today, though many gentiles are nominally Christian, their observance is minimal and they have an awareness of monotheism.
See also the statements of the Rama (Yoreh De'ah 123:1, 124:24) who quotes opinions that maintain that in the present age, it is not customary for gentiles to pour wine as libations to false deities. Nevertheless, the prohibition against drinking such wine, however, remains intact.]

Mishneh Torah » Sefer Shofetim » Melachim uMilchamot » Chapter 8

By the same regard, Moses was commanded by the Almighty to compel all the inhabitants of the world to accept the commandments given to Noah's descendants.

If one does not accept these commands, he should be executed. A person who formally accepts these commands is called a resident alien. This applies in any place. This acceptance must be made in the presence of three Torah scholars.

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Why involve non-Jews in this discussion?
The Temple was meant to serve the whole world, not just Jews. Therefore, the destruction of the Temple was a great loss for all, as recounted in the Talmud. Sharing in common discussion of the dream for a rebuilt Temple in some small way can fill the gap of that loss for the entire world, and can help all the world's peoples, Jews and non-Jews, turn our hearts toward the time in which God will again be triumphant on earth and all the world will worship the One God together.
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Post by Strangelove on Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:18 pm

R. Kattina said: Six thousand years shall the world exist, and one [thousand, the seventh], it shall be desolate, as it is written, And the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day

- Talmud: Tractate Sanhedrin Folio 97a

Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Sanhedrin Folio 97a


Looks like the talmud certainly teaches some kind of endtimes millenial kingdom?

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Post by Strangelove on Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:32 pm

The Tanna debe Eliyyahu teaches: The world is to exist six thousand years. In the first two thousand there was desolation; two thousand years the Torah flourished; and the next two thousand years is the Messianic era,

- Talmud: Tractate Sanhedrin Folio 97a

Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Sanhedrin Folio 97a

Hang on a sec?

This looks like the talmudists even acknowledge the correct timeframe of when their Messiah would come.

We have:

2 thousand years of desolation (Adam to Moses)
2 Thousand Years of Torah (Moses to Christ)
2 Thousand Years Messianic Kingdom (Footnote in talmud reads = "I.e., Messiah will come within that period."

Oh boy.....He came...exactly on schedule...and they ARE STILL WAITING!! Sad

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Post by Strangelove on Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:22 pm

What is the belief in Mashiach?

One of the principles of Jewish faith enumerated by Maimonides is that one day there will arise a dynamic Jewish leader, a direct descendant of the Davidic dynasty, who will rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem and gather Jews from all over the world and bring them back to the Land of Israel.

All the nations of the world will recognise Mashiach to be a world leader and will accept his dominion. In the messianic era there will be world peace, no more wars nor famine and, in general, a high standard of living.

All mankind will worship one G–d and live a more spiritual and moral way of life. The Jewish nation will be preoccupied with learning Torah and fathoming its secrets.

The coming of Mashiach will complete G–d’s purpose in creation: for man to make an abode for G–d in the lower worlds; to reveal the inherent spirituality in the material world.

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Sounds a lot like Christian pre-millenialism.

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Post by Strangelove on Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:01 pm

Could Mashiach come at any time in any generation?

Yes. In every generation there is a person who potentially could be the Mashiach. When G–d decides the time has arrived, He will bestow upon that individual the necessary powers for him to precipitate that redemption.

Any potential Mashiach must be a direct descendant of King David as well as erudite in Torah learning. It should be noted that many people living today can trace their lineage back to King David. The Chief Rabbi of Prague in the 16th Century, Rabbi Yehuda Loew (the Maharal), had a family tree that traced him back to the Davidic dynasty. Consequently, any direct descendant of the Maharal is of Davidic descent.

Maimonides, a great Jewish philosopher and codifier of the 12th Century, rules that if we recognise a human being who possesses the superlative qualities ascribed to Mashiach we may presume that he is the potential Mashiach. If this individual actually succeeds in rebuilding the Temple and gathering in the exiles then he is the Mashiach.

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Interesting descendants of Rabbi Yehuda Loew (the Maharal):

Oppenheimer Family
Hirsch Family
Loeb Family

Descended from LOEB Family:

Menahem Mendel SCHNEURSOHN (1902-1994), descendant of Maharal along with the other Lubavitcher Rabbis. (Very Interesting!)
Albert EINSTEIN
Karl MARX
Jacob Moses TOLEDANO (1880-1960) [Minister of Religious Affairs in the Ben Gurion government]
Otto BRAUN
Senator John F. KERRY
Ralph LAUREN
ROTHSCHILD family (Whoa!)

Leob Family Tree

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Post by Strangelove on Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:21 pm

What exactly will happen when Mashiach comes?

Maimonides states in his Mishnah Torah – a compendium of the entire halachic tradition – that Mashiach will first rebuild the Temple and then gather in the exiles. Jerusalem and the Temple will be the focus of Divine worship and “From Zion shall go forth Torah, and the word of the L–rd from Jerusalem.”

The Sanhedrin – a supreme Jewish law court of 71 sages – will be established and will decide on all matters of law. At this time all Jews will return to full Torah observance and practice. It should be noted that in this present age of great assimilation and emancipation an unprecedented return of Jews to true Torah values has taken place. This “Baal Teshuvah” phenomenon is on the increase and paves the way for a full return in the messianic era.

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The Rothschilds & the rebuilding of the temple

The Rothschilds have been the main financial sponsors of archaeological digs in Israel. The Masada Dig was first known to the Israeli as the "Edmond de Rothschild Masada Dig" under the auspices of the Rothschilds' Palestine Exploration Fund. The PEF established the Biblical Archaeology Society which publishes the Biblical Archaeology Review touting it as the authority on Solomon's temple.

In December of 1995, a month after Rabin was assassinated, the Jerusalem Masonic Lodge was established adjacent to the Temple Mount in the underground Grotto of King Solomon. The lodge was founded by the Grand Master of the Italian illuminati Giuliano Di Bernardo who at the opening ceremony declared, "The rebuilding of the Temple is at the center of our studies."

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