Re: Post Millenialism

by KingdomSeeker Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:55 am

Adstar wrote:

No PRe-millenialism is not related to Domination theology. PRe-millenialism
teaches that Jesus will establish the 1000 years upon the day of His return at Armageddon.
Dominion theory states that followers of Jesus will establish the kingdom
through carnal struggle in taking over the world. Dominion theology is more
like what the muslims have with their doctrine on a global islamic state gained
through jihad.
yeah I know, that was a Miss-type on my part. sorry. I apparently blank out while im typing, and end up making matters worse.

Yes postmillennial fits in with it well but PRe-millenialism does not.
Right. Agreed.

I agree, it is not. It panders to the pride of man needing to justify themselves
to God and earn the Kingdom rather then it being a loving gift from God.
...so if you understand that...then why dont others?

All Praise The Ancient OF Days

Hitch wrote:Fist off I've never heard of this guy. So your quotes are valid ,but I dont know who or anyone he speaks for. Actually AL Dagger is on my side. But what he said about DT in his book holds true. Yes?

Second ; Exactly what is antichrisitan in anything you posted? Thats the Whole point. its not anti christian as "Christianity" stands now...in 2011. Actually that all seems very nice. (seemingly) It IS however, Anti-Christ. What Jesus Stood for, and came for...he came not to make THIS world his. He Came to make US his. For HIS heavenly kingdom. This World is going to pass away. Thats The Emphasis of the New testement. That the WORLD is passing, but those with the spirit of God, those led by the spirit, are A part of Jesus, The WORD of GOD, who will never pass away.

Third what qualfies Al Dager as spokesman, as antichristian ?
Again, Al Dagger is AGAINST Dominionism. (C. Peter Wagner is FOR it.)

But Where is the Gospel in all of this? Where is the change of heart and repentance? Where is the crucifying the flesh? Where is the Cross of Christ in all of this?
Christianizing nations, as has been evident throughout history, does not make individuals Christians. Forced baptisms, or group agreements by psycho-social consensus methods, do nothing to convert the heart. This only creates a church/state with immense power over people's lives. Its Constantine. Its The Crusades. Its King James. Even if these people had a change of heart, adn maybe they did coem to repentance later on in there life...they STILL ruined the name of Christ. Forced Christianity is NOT Christianity. ITs Religiosity. its "churchianity" But it really has NOTHING to do with Jesus. The Great commision is not a Cultural Mandate.

So Looking over all this :

One, I am not, nor should I be, a public speaker.
Two, I still hope you can see what i was getting at.

by Hitch Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:04 am

Hitch wrote:Fist off I've never heard of this guy. So your quotes are valid ,but I dont know who or anyone he speaks for. Actually AL Dagger is on my side. But what he said about DT in his book holds true. Yes? [/quote] Like I said I've never heard of Dager and anm not familiar with his work

Second ; Exactly what is antichrisitan in anything you posted? Thats the Whole point. its not anti christian as "Christianity" stands now...in 2011. Actually that all seems very nice. (seemingly) It IS however, Anti-Christ.
That is a logical impossibility, nothing or no one can be antichristan and not antichrisitan at the same time
What Jesus Stood for, and came for...he came not to make THIS world his. He Came to make US his. For HIS heavenly kingdom. This World is going to pass away. Thats The Emphasis of the New testement. That the WORLD is passing, but those with the spirit of God, those led by the spirit, are A part of Jesus, The WORD of GOD, who will never pass away.
see above

Third what qualfies Al Dager as spokesman, as antichristian ?
Again, Al Dagger is AGAINST Dominionism. (C. Peter Wagner is FOR it.)

But Where is the Gospel in all of this? Where is the change of heart and repentance? Where is the crucifying the flesh? Where is the Cross of Christ in all of this?
From the quote ;Evangelism, of course, is a legitimate name and a legitimate endeavor. It is the work of believers to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ in order to bring souls into the Kingdom of God. True evangelism follows the spreading of the pure Gospel with the planting of churches and the discipling of believers that will guard the biblical truths and practices vital to sustaining a viable relationship between individual believers and the Lord Jesus Christ

Christianizing nations, as has been evident throughout history, does not make individuals Christians. Forced baptisms, or group agreements by psycho-social consensus methods, do nothing to convert the heart.
Has this guy condoned or supported forced baptisms,or anyof these other things your spoke of, in any published work ?
This only creates a church/state with immense power over people's lives. Its Constantine. Its The Crusades. Its King James. Even if these people had a change of heart, adn maybe they did coem to repentance later on in there life...they STILL ruined the name of Christ. Forced Christianity is NOT Christianity. ITs Religiosity. its "churchianity" But it really has NOTHING to do with Jesus. The Great commision is not a Cultural Mandate.
see above [quote]

by **strangelove** Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:23 am

So Post Mil. folk are all for getting involved in politics and stuff?

Is that right?

by Hitch Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:11 am

Strangelove wrote:So Post Mil. folk are all for getting involved in politics and stuff?

Is that right?

I hope so.

by **strangelove** Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:56 am

Are post mil. folk looking for a physical return of Jesus in the sky?

by KingdomSeeker Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:07 am

Hitch, sorry friend, but that last post was all messy. Im not even going to attempt at that anymore.

lets agree to dissagree, and maybe some time in the future we can truly understand each other. Jesus bless you.

by **strangelove** Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:17 am

KingdomSeeker wrote:that last post was all messy

Ya can we try and seperate our talk out a bit better plz. If your gonna put your speach in someone elses quote can you at least color it different.

by Hitch Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:58 pm

Strangelove wrote:Are post mil. folk looking for a physical return of Jesus in the sky?

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Maker of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:

Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead, and buried;

He descended into hell. The third day He arose again from the dead;

He ascended into heaven,
and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

by **strangelove** Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:01 pm

So...whats the difference between Postmil and Amil?

by Hitch Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:07 pm

Strangelove wrote:So...whats the difference between Postmil and Amil?

Technically the PM view is a fraction of the A-Mill view. Niether allow for the bodily presence of Christ in history. On the practical side, the PM view is much more positive wrt Christian advancement in history and usually more preteristic than the A-Mill outlook.

by **strangelove** Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:09 pm

Hitch wrote:Niether allow for the bodily presence of Christ in history.

What does this mean plz?

by Hitch Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:11 pm

Strangelove wrote:
What does this mean plz?

As in contrast to the 'pre-millennialist' who expect Christ to reign bodily from Jerusalem.

by **strangelove** Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:16 pm

Hitch wrote:As in contrast to the 'pre-millennialist' who expect Christ to reign bodily from Jerusalem.

But the postmil view holds that Christ will be bodily present in the sky at the second advent?

by Hitch Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:19 pm

Strangelove wrote:
But the postmil view holds that Christ will be bodily present in the sky at the second advent?

Both stricly adhere to the bodily return of Christ, as per the Apostle's Creed.

by **strangelove** Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:23 pm

Hitch wrote:Both stricly adhere to the bodily return of Christ, as per the Apostle's Creed.

Roger that.

So....whats the difference between Amil and postmil again?

by Hitch Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:32 pm

Usually the PM will have a more positive overview, as compared to the A-Mil

by **strangelove** Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:40 pm

Hitch wrote:Usually the PM will have a more positive overview, as compared to the A-Mil

Amil has Christians living in eternal salvation....does the overview get more positive than that?

by Hitch Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:00 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Amil has Christians living in eternal salvation....does the overview get more positive than that?

I must admit the extent of the vacuum surprizes me. I shoud have said;

the PM will have a more positive overview of history,, as compared to the A-Mil.

History here referes to how the church will fare in time.

by **strangelove** Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:14 pm

Hitch wrote:I must admit the extent of the vacuum surprizes me. I shoud have said;

the PM will have a more positive overview of history,, as compared to the A-Mil.

History here referes to how the church will fare in time.

I thought this was an endtimes view?

by Hitch Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:20 pm

Strangelove wrote:

I thought this was an endtimes view?

Well Doc history is what takes place between now and the end.

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