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"What are you writing?" the Rebbe asked. "Stories," I said. He wanted to know what kind of stories: true stories. "About people you knew?" Yes, about things that happened or could have happened. "But they did not?" No, not all of them did. In fact, some were invented from almost the beginning to almost the end. The Rebbe leaned forward as if to measure me up and said with more sorrow than anger: "That means you are writing lies!" I did not answer immediately. The scolded child within me had nothing to say in his defence. Yet, I had to justify myself: "Things are not that simple, Rebbe. Some events do take place but are not true; others are - although they never occurred."

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"Neither in Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in Buchenwald were Jews or other prisoners gassed. The gas chamber in Dachau was never entirely finished or put "into operation." Hundreds of thousands of prisoners who perished in Dachau and other concentration camps in the Old Reich were victims, above all, of the catastrophic hygienic and provisioning conditions: according to official SS statistics, during the twelve months from July 1942 through June 1943 alone, 110,812 persons died of disease and hunger in all of the concentration camps of the Reich."

- Dr. Martin Broszat, from a letter that appeared in the Hamburg weekly Die Zeit under the headline "Keine Vergasung in Dachau." It appeared in the German edition of August 19, 1960, and in the US edition of August 26, 1960 (p. 14).

Martin Broszat (August 14, 1926 – October 14, 1989) was a German historian specializing in modern German social history whose work has been described by The Encyclopedia of Historians as indispensable for any serious study of the Third Reich

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Post by Strangelove on Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:48 pm

“I have heard of the allegations of former prisoners in Auschwitz referring to a gas chamber there, the mass executions and whippings, the cruelty of the guards employed, and that all this took place either in my presence or with my knowledge. All I can say to all this is that it is untrue from beginning to end.”

- Joseph Kramer ('Beat of Belsen') excerpt of very lengthy 1st statement as it appears in Raymond Phillips, ed., 'Trial of Josef Kramer and Forty-Four Others' (The Belsen Trial), William Hodge, London, 1949.

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Post by Strangelove on Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:42 pm

"The Chief of the Security Police and the SD then gave a short report of the struggle which has been carried on thusfar against this enemy, the essential points being the following:

a) the
expulsion of the Jews from every sphere of life of the German people,

b) the
expulsion of the Jews from the living space of the German people.

In carrying out these efforts, an increased and planned acceleration of the
emigration of the Jews from Reich territory was started, as the only possible present solution.

By order of the Reich Marshal, a
Reich Central Office for Jewish Emigration was set up in January 1939 and the Chief of the Security Police and SD was entrusted with the management. Its most important tasks were

a) to make all necessary arrangements for the preparation for an
increased emigration of the Jews,

b) to direct the flow of
emigration,

c) to
speed the procedure of emigration in each individual case.

The aim of all this was to cleanse German living space of Jews in a legal manner."

- THE WANSEE PROTOCOL (excerpt) as reproduced in John Mendelsohn, ed., _The Holocaust: Selected Documents in Eighteen Volumes._ Vol. 11: The Wannsee Protocol and a 1944 Report on Auschwitz by the Office of Strategic Services (New York: Garland, 1982), 18-32.

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Post by Strangelove on Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:08 pm

"As regards the conception properly called of the plan for a total extermination, the three or four principal actors committed suicide in May of 1945. No document has survived or perhaps has ever existed."

- Léon Poliakov, Bréviaire de la haine: Le IIIe Reich et les Juifs, Calmann-Levy, 1951, Livre de Poche, 1974, p.171


Léon Poliakov (Russian: Лев Поляков; November 25, 1910 in Saint Petersburg – December 8, 1997 in Orsay) was a French historian who wrote extensively on the Holocaust and anti-Semitism.

Born into a Russian Jewish family, Poliakov lived in Italy and Germany until he settled in France.

He co-founded the Centre de documentation juive contemporaine, established to collate documentation relating to the persecution of Jews during World War II. He also assisted Edgar Faure at the Nuremberg Trial. Poliakov went on to serve as director of research at the National Center for Scientific Research (CNRS) from 1954 until 1971.


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Post by Strangelove on Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:59 pm

"Last but not least there is what may perhaps be termed the hyperhistorical complex of the survivors. Never before was an event so deeply sensed by its participants as being part of an epoch-shaping history in the making, never before was a personal experience felt to be so historically relevant. The result of this hyperhistorical complex has been that the brief post-war years have seen a flood of "historical materials" -- rather "contrived" than "collected" -- so that to-day one of the most delicate aspects of research is the evaluation of the so-called "research material."

The hyperhistorical complex may be described as judeocentric, logocentric and egocentric. It concentrates historical relevance on Jewish problems of local events under the aspect of personal experience. This is the reason why most of the memoirs and reports are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilletante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies. The question thus arises whether participants of such a world-shaking epoch can at all be its historians and whether the time has already come when valid historic judgment, free of partisanship, vindictiveness and ulterior motives, is possible."


- Jewish writer Samuel Gringauz, article in Jewish Social Studies published in New York City in January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65.

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Post by Strangelove on Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:05 pm

"Over half of the 20,000 testimonies from Holocaust survivors on record at Yad Vashem are "unreliable" and have never been used as evidence in Nazi war crimes trials, Yad Vashem Archives director Shmuel Krakowski has told The Jerusalem Post. Krakowski says that many survivors, wanting "to be part of history" may have let their imaginations run away with them. "Many were never in the places where they claim to have witnessed atrocities, while others relied on second-hand information given them by friends or passing strangers" according to Krakowski.

"A large number of testimonies on file were later proved inaccurate when locations and dates could not pass an expert historian's appraisal."


- "Doubts Over Evidence Of Camp Survivors", The Jerusalem Post, August 17, 1986.

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Post by Strangelove on Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:29 pm

"Everything had been provided for down to the smallest detail in 1944 at Buchenwald. They had even lengthened a railroad line so that the deportees might be led directly to the gas chamber. Certain of the gas chambers had a floor that tipped and immediately directed the bodies into a room with the crematory oven."

- Official French prosecution exhibit entered as document 274-F at the Nuremberg trial, (IMT vol. 37, pp.116-187)

"Neither in Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in Buchenwald were Jews or other prisoners gassed."

- Dr. Martin Broszat

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Post by Strangelove on Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:36 pm

"…. on the lowest computation 12 million men, women, and children, are done to death. Not in battle, not in passion, but in the cold, calculated, deliberate attempt to destroy nations and races, to disintegrate the traditions, the institutions, and the very existence of free and ancient states. Twelve million murders. Two-thirds of the Jews in Europe exterminated, more than 6 million of them on the killers’ own figures. Murder conducted like some mass production industry in the gas chambers and the ovens of Auschwitz, Dachau, Treblinka, Buchenwald, Mauthausen, Maidanek, and Oranienburg."

- Closing statement of Sir Hartley Shawcross at the Nuremberg IMT.

"Neither in Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in Buchenwald were Jews or other prisoners gassed."

- Dr. Martin Broszat

"there were no extermination camps on German soil."

- "Nazi hunter" Simon Wiesenthal.

...did Browning say that the western camps, such as Dachau, Ravensbrück and Buchenwald, did not have Jews in them?

...They are not, in my opinion, extermination camps, though many people died there."

- Summary of the transcript, cross examination of Christopher Browning by Attorney Douglas Christie at the second trial of Ernst Zundel, Canada, 1988.

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Post by Strangelove on Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:42 pm

"Around the world, the Jewish people were persecuted for centuries, and anti-Semitism in Europe culminated in an unprecedented Holocaust. Tomorrow, I will visit Buchenwald, which was part of a network of camps where Jews were enslaved, tortured, shot and gassed to death by the Third Reich. Six million Jews were killed – more than the entire Jewish population of Israel today."

- President Obama, speech in Cairo, Egypt, 2009

"Neither in Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in Buchenwald were Jews or other prisoners gassed."

- Dr. Martin Broszat

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Nazis Suffocate Jews in Groups of 500 in Special “steam Chambers”

LONDON, May. 21 (JTA) –

Thousands of Jews in Poland who are being deported by the Nazis to "unknown destinations" are actually being exterminated by suffocation in groups of 500 in special "steam chambers" erected in several concentration camps, it was learned here today when a 63-page report giving details of the mass-extermination reached this country.

The report, which will be published as a "Black Paper," reveals that in the notorious Treblinka concentration camp "installations have been set up to enable the suffocation of 5,000 Jews daily." These installations are now being enlarged, the report adds. It describes how the victims, before being driven into the steam chambers, are forced to take off their clothing and stand naked for hours in the open. Similar procedure is followed in other "Jewish camps."

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Post by Strangelove on Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:16 pm

"If the Holocaust can be shown to be a 'Zionist myth', the strongest of all weapons in Israel's propaganda armory collapses. " Knock that shield away, and they will have no choice but to defend themselves on their own merits. Without the self-bestowed "victim " status and without their copyright on pain and suffering, they will be revealed to be a rather paranoid, shrill, whining group of shysters, common racketeers, distorters of history, falsifiers of documents who created a gangster enclave in the Middle East called Israel to which thieves, crooks, swindlers, real estate and stock market frauds and Mafia king pins like Meyer Lansky, Flatto Sharon and thousands of other can retire to a safe haven. From there they can send forth their hit men and assassination squads, riding in bombers or on the banks of tanks, terrorizing their neighbors or even individuals in far off lands, sometimes even governments or heads of state."

"Until now, the "Holocaust " story and their stranglehold on the media in many parts of the world have made them immune, so far, from exposure - but now their defenses are crumbling, for every day brings to light more misdeeds, more con games, more insider trading, more lies and more cheating - and more and more crimes against the Germans, the Palestinians, the Lebanese, the Iraqis and the hapless Russians during their Bolshevik reign of terror and destruction there."

The day of global reckoning is dawning. The Jewish Century is drawing to a close. The Age of Truth is waiting to be ushered in, and we will be its ushers."


- Jewish Professor W.D. Rubenstein, "The Left, the Right, and the Jews," Quadrant (Australia), Sept. 1979, p. 27.

Rubinstein was President of the Jewish Historical Society of England from 2002 to 2004 and was the editor of the articles on Britain and the Commonwealth (except Canada) in the second (2006) edition of the standard reference work, The Encyclopaedia Judaica.

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Post by Strangelove on Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:35 pm

"During the first weeks considerable numbers of Jews fell under our control, whereas in the central and eastern Ukrainian districts it has been observed that in many cases 70 to 90 percent, and sometimes 100 percent, of the Jewish population has fled. This can be seen as an indirect result of the work of the Security Police, since the removal at no cost of hundreds of thousands of Jews -- most of them reportedly to beyond the Urals -- represents a considerable contribution to the solution of the Jewish question in Europe."

- Excerpt from The Einsatzgruppen report of September 12, 1942, [No. 81, p. 14]

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Post by Strangelove on Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:37 pm

Lagacé was asked to comment on the claims made by Raul Hilberg in The Destruction of the European Jews (2nd ed., page 978) with respect to the capacities of the 46 retorts in the four crematories at Birkenau. Hilberg claimed:

The theoretical daily capacity of the four Birkenau crematoria was somewhat over 4,400, but, with breakdowns and slowdowns, the practical limit was almost always lower.

Lagacé stated that this claim was "preposterous" and "beyond the realm of reality." To claim that 46 retorts could cremate over 4,400 bodies in a day was "ludicrous." Based on his own experience, Lagacé testified that it would only have been possible to cremate a maximum of 184 bodies a day at Birkenau. (27-7436, 7437, 7438)


Lagacé testified that the plans for the Birkenau crematory indicated that it had been built to almost the exact specifications of the Bow Valley Crematorium. Using an overhead of the Birkenau plan, Lagacé pointed out the crematory's cremation chamber, the flame port, the smoke channel and settling chamber and the afterburner.


- Summary of the witness testimony of Ivan Lagacé at the second trial of Ernst Zundel.

Ivan Lagacé was tendered as an expert in the practical aspects of crematorium practices. Lagacé worked as a professional embalmer-funeral director, and crematory manager and operator at the Bow Valley Crematorium in Calgary, Alberta.

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Post by Strangelove on Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:27 pm

"The amounts required by Auschwitz were not large, but they were noticeable. Almost the whole Auschwitz supply was needed for the gassing of people; very little was used for fumigation. The camp administration itself did not buy the gas. The purchaser was Obersturmführer Gerstein, Chief Disinfection Officer in the Office of the Hygienic Chief of the Waffen-SS (Mrugowski). As a rule, all orders passed through the hands of TESTA, DEGESCH, and Dessau. From the Dessau Works, which produced the gas, shipments were sent directly to Auschwitz Extermination and Fumigation Division (Abteilung Entwesung und Entseuchung)."

- Raul Hilberg, The Destruction of the European Jews (1st Edition), page 570.

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Post by Strangelove on Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:36 pm

"But what began in 1941 was a process of destruction not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget for destructive measures. They [these measures] were taken step by step, one step at a time. Thus came about not so much a plan being carried out, but an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus -- mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy."

- Raul Hilberg as quoted in: George De Wan, "The Holocaust in Perspective," Newsday (Long Island, New York), Feb. 23, 1983, p. II/3.

Mind reading - "The faculty of discerning another's thoughts through extrasensory means of communication; telepathy."

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Secret Command Matter. Folder of Pictures. Introduced weapons and equipment. Motor Vehicle Equipment, Communication Equipment, Optical Equipment, Gas Protection Equipment.

Secret Command Matter. Sheet no. G31. Personnel Detoxication Truck. (Motor Vehicle 92) Application: Detoxication of personnel and of the heavy gas clothing of the fog units. Technical Data: Chassis -- for 3-ton truck Hot water preparation using a water turbulence brake, powered by vehicle engine, having a capacity of 44,000 kcal/hr. for heating the detoxication tub for heavy gas clothes and for shower water for two shower baths. Water stock carried along: 800 litres. Filling of the water bin by electric floater pump. Gross weight: 9,300 kg.

Secret Command Matter. Sheet Number G32. Clothes Detoxication Truck 93 (Motor Vehicle 93/1) Application: Allocated to the troop detoxication companies (Tek) for the detoxication of uniforms, leather gear and gas masks using hot air and water steam. Technical Data: Chassis for 3-ton truck Steam of 0.2 atmosphere UE -- 50 kg./hr. Air of 120 degrees centigrade -- 3,600 cubic metres/hr. Two chambers for 30 uniforms each with 2 cubic metre content. Duration of detoxication: 1-1/2 hours for uniforms (combined steam, hot air process); 12 hours for leather gear (Hot air process) Gross Weight: 9,700 kg.

Secret Command Matter. Sheet No. G33. Clothes Detoxication Truck (Motor Vehicle 93/2) Application: Allocated to the troop detoxication companies (Tek) for the detoxication of uniforms, leather gear and gas masks using hot air. Technical Data: Chassis -- 4-1/2 ton truck -- Bussing Air of 100 degrees Centigrade, 4,000 cubic metres/hr. 1 chamber for 40 uniforms Duration of detoxication: 4 hours for uniforms using hot, fresh and environment air in alternate operation.


- Document from the Federal Military Archives in Freiburg, West Germany. Bundesarchiv gas van documents filed as Exhibit 129 at 31-8523 in the second Zundel trial.

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Post by zone on Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:10 pm

Strangelove wrote:"The amounts required by Auschwitz were not large, but they were noticeable. Almost the whole Auschwitz supply was needed for the gassing of people; very little was used for fumigation. The camp administration itself did not buy the gas. The purchaser was Obersturmführer Gerstein, Chief Disinfection Officer in the Office of the Hygienic Chief of the Waffen-SS (Mrugowski). As a rule, all orders passed through the hands of TESTA, DEGESCH, and Dessau. From the Dessau Works, which produced the gas, shipments were sent directly to Auschwitz Extermination and Fumigation Division (Abteilung Entwesung und Entseuchung)."

- Raul Hilberg, The Destruction of the European Jews (1st Edition), page 570.

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Abteilung Entwesung und Entseuchung

Department of Disinfestation and Disinfection.

disinfestation /dis·in·fes·ta·tion/ (-in-fes-ta´shun) destruction of insects, rodents, or other animal forms present on the person or their clothes or in their surroundings, and which may transmit disease.

extermination /mass killing of animals or other pests. Implies complete destruction of the species or other group.

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Extermination and Fumigation....of Lice
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Abteilung Entwesung und Entseuchung

Department of Disinfestation and Disinfection.

disinfestation /dis·in·fes·ta·tion/ (-in-fes-ta´shun) destruction of insects, rodents, or other animal forms present on the person or their clothes or in their surroundings, and which may transmit disease.

extermination /mass killing of animals or other pests. Implies complete destruction of the species or other group.
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Post by Strangelove on Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:09 pm

"Die Menschen stehen einander auf den Füssen, 700-800 Menschen auf 25 Quadratmetern in 45 Kubikmetern ... 750 Menschen in 45 Kubikmetern"

("The people stand on each other's feet, 700-800 people on 25 square meters in 45 cubic meters ... 750 people in 45 cubic meters.")


- Kurt Gerstein as quoted page 5 of Nuremberg document PS-2170.

"It is obviously impossible for 700 to 800 people to stand on a surface of 25 square meters and inside a space of 45 cubic meters. That would be the same as trying to fit 28 to 32 persons in a space that is one square meter in surface area, and 1.8 meters high."


- Robert Faurisson.

"The naked people stand on each other's feet. About seven to eight hundred people in an area of about a hundred square meters."

- Martin Gilbert, Final Journey: The Fate of the Jews in Nazi Europe (New York: Mayflower Books, p. 91)

"Seven to eight hundred people in ninety-three square meters."

- Martin Gilbert, The Holocaust: The Jewish Tragedy, New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, p. 427.

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Post by Strangelove on Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:54 pm

Article 19: 'The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence'.

Article 21: 'The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge, but shall take judicial notice thereof.'


-International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg Trials, articles 19, 21.

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Post by zone on Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:54 pm

Strangelove wrote:Article 19: 'The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence'.

Article 21: 'The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge, but shall take judicial notice thereof.'


-International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg Trials, articles 19, 21.


shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence
shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge

OKAY. END OF LEGITIMACY OF Nuremberg Trials. simple.
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Post by zone on Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:22 pm

Strangelove wrote:"Die Menschen stehen einander auf den Füssen, 700-800 Menschen auf 25 Quadratmetern in 45 Kubikmetern ... 750 Menschen in 45 Kubikmetern"

("The people stand on each other's feet, 700-800 people on 25 square meters in 45 cubic meters ... 750 people in 45 cubic meters.")


- Kurt Gerstein as quoted page 5 of Nuremberg document PS-2170.

"It is obviously impossible for 700 to 800 people to stand on a surface of 25 square meters and inside a space of 45 cubic meters. That would be the same as trying to fit 28 to 32 persons in a space that is one square meter in surface area, and 1.8 meters high."


- Robert Faurisson.

"The naked people stand on each other's feet. About seven to eight hundred people in an area of about a hundred square meters."

- Martin Gilbert, Final Journey: The Fate of the Jews in Nazi Europe (New York: Mayflower Books, p. 91)

"Seven to eight hundred people in ninety-three square meters."

- Martin Gilbert, The Holocaust: The Jewish Tragedy, New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, p. 427.

Revising history to conceal absurdities to uphold the myth. Suspect

this needs to link to the testimonies of the 4 living KAPOS (3 are brothers). the one guy claims he opened the doors after gassings and saw them standing up dead cuz they were crammed in so tight, holding babies etc....that they were black and blue.

in reality victims of this kind of poisoning are bright red.

for the kapos, and the rest see:



disclaimer - if there's any hate or neonazi tilt to this video i reject that part.

why would anyone be against one form of supremacism but for another kind? pffft.
anyways.....watch the vid and see what you think.
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Post by Strangelove on Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:39 pm

"In the monograph on Mauthausen that I published in Revue d’Histoire de la [Deuxième] Guerre mondiale in 1954, I mentioned a gas chamber on two occasions. When the time of reflection had arrived, I said to myself: where did you arrive at the conviction that there was a gas chamber in Mauthausen? This cannot have been during my stay in this camp, for neither myself nor anybody else ever suspected that there was one there. This must therefore be a piece of ‘baggage’ that I picked up after the war; this was [an] admitted [fact] but I noticed that in my text - although I have the habit of supporting most of my affirmations by references-there was none referring to the gas chamber . . ."

Journalist: "You were president of the Calvados (Normandy) Association of Deportees, and you resigned in May, 1985, why?"

"I found myself torn between my conscience as a historian and the duties it implies, and on the other hand, my membership in a group of comrades whom I deeply love, but who refuse to recognize the necessity of dealing with the deportation as a historical fact in accordance with sound historical methods. I am haunted by the thought that in 100 years or even 50 years the historians will question themselves on the particular aspect of the Second World War which is the concentration camp system and what they will find out. The record is rotten to the core. On one hand a considerable amount of fantasies, inaccuracies, obstinately repeated (in particular concerning numbers), heterogeneous mixtures, generalizations and, on the other hand, very close critical studies that demonstrate the inanity of those exaggerations. I fear that those future historians might then say that the deportation, when all is said and done, must have been a myth There lies the danger. That haunts me."


- Michel de Boüard, a former inmate of Mauthausen in the 'NN' category, a professor of history at the University of Caen (Normandy), a member of the Committee for the History of the Second World War and a member of the Institute of France and former head of the Association of Deportees as quoted in 'Ouest-France', August 2-3, 1986, p. 6.

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Post by Strangelove on Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:17 pm

"Every one is free to interpret a phenomenon like the Hitlerite genocide according to his own philosophy. Everyone is free to compare it with other enterprises of murder committed earlier, at the same time, later. Everyone is free to offer such or such kind of explanation; everyone is free, to the limit, to imagine or to dream that these monstrous deeds did not take place. Unfortunately they did take place and no one can deny their existence without committing an outrage on the truth. It is not necessary to ask how technically such mass murder was possible. It was technically possible, seeing that it took place. That is the required point of departure of every historical inquiry on this subject. This truth it behooves us to remember in simple terms: there is not and there cannot be a debate about the existence of the gas chambers."

- Pierre Vidal-Naquet, professor at the School of Higher Studies in the Social Sciences in Paris, 'Le Monde' newspaper, 21 February 1979.

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Post by Strangelove on Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:44 pm

"When Auschwitz was transformed into a museum after the war, the decision was taken to concentrate the history of the whole complex into one of its component parts. The infamous crematoria where the mass murders had taken place lay in ruins in Birkenau, two miles away. The committee felt that a crematorium was required at the end of the memorial journey, and crematorium I was reconstructed to speak for the history of the incinerators at Birkenau. This program of usurpation was rather detailed. A chimney, the ultimate symbol of Birkenau, was re-created; four hatched openings in the roof, as if for pouring Zyklon B into the gas chamber below, were installed, and two of the three furnaces were rebuilt using original parts. There are no signs to explain these restitutions, they were not marked at the time, and the guides remain silent about it when they take visitors through this building that is presumed by the tourist to be the place where it happened."

- Van Pelt and Dwork, "Auschwitz 1270 to the Present", page 363.

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Post by zone on Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:08 pm



THAT "Nazi-Zionist" medallion was issued by the Berlin daily Der Angriff to commemorate a joint visit to Zionist Palestine by SS officer Leopold von Mildenstein and Zionist Federation official Kurt Tuchler. A series of articles on their tour, appearing under the heading "A Nazi Travels to Palestine," appeared in Der Angriff in late 1934.

For more on this, see my article, "Zionism and the Third Reich," posted at

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

Mark Weber


YOU'VE probably received hundreds of replies about the medallion, but here is my contribution.

"... Thus, in early 1933, Baron Leopold Itz Edler von Mildenstein, a man who a few years later was to become chief of the Jewish section of the SD (the Sicherheitsdienst, or security service, the SS intelligence branch headed by Reinhard Heydrich), was invited along with his wife to tour Palestine and to write a series of articles for Goebbels's Der Angriff. And so it was that the Mildensteins, accompanied by Kurt Tuchler, a leading member of the Berlin Zionist Organisation, and his wife, visited Jewish settlements in Eretz Israel. The highly positive articles, entitled "A Nazi Visits Palestine," were duly published, and, to mark the occasion, a special medallion cast, with a swastika on one side and a Star of David on the other."
http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/a-list/2003w27/msg00029.htm


Nazis and Zionists were not evenly matched in the nightmare of the 1930s and nor were their motives equally evil. But today's Holocaust revisionism and denial, whether from neo-Nazis or their dupes, has as the other side of its coin, or medal, the way the Zionist propaganda machine has sought to monopolise and distort this piece of history for its own ends, leaving out and denying whatever does not fit its myth. History must be rescued from both sets of foes.

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Post by zone on Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:09 pm

European (mostly German) Jews made a similar arrangement with Hitler's Nazi German government some seven months or so after Hitler came to power in 1933. The arrangement became known as Ha'avara (the Transfer Agreement). Nazi Germany and the Jewish Agency concluded the transfer negotiations, allowing Jews emigrating from Germany to Palestine to deposit their assets in Germany and receive Palestine pounds upon their arrival in Palestine. The Zionist Federation of Germany, the Anglo-Palestine Bank, and the German economic authorities signed the Agreement on August 25, 1933, permitting the transfer of Jewish capital from Germany to Palestine by immigrants or investors.

Through this unusual arrangement, those Jews bound for Palestine deposited money in a special account in Germany. The money was used to purchase German-made agricultural tools, building materials, pumps, fertilizer, motor transport, and other goods of all kinds and descriptions, which were exported to Palestine and sold there by the Jewish-owned Ha'avara company in Tel-Aviv. Money from the sales was given to the emigrants upon their arrival in Palestine in an amount corresponding to their deposits in German banks.

German goods poured into Palestine through the Ha'avara, which was supplemented a short time later with a barter agreement by which Palestine's oranges and agricultural products were exchanged for German timber, automobiles, agricultural machinery, and other goods. The Agreement enabled German Jews to meet the requirements of the British certificate of immigration and served the Zionist aim of bringing Jewish settlers and development capital to Palestine, while it simultaneously served the German economy with an increase in the production and export of German goods to offset its economic depression. For a time, the Ha'avara Agreement helped the Nazis in undermining the anti-Nazi boycott initiated by the American Jewish Congress only weeks before the agreement was signed.

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Post by zone on Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:10 pm

"Zionism believes that the rebirth of the national life of a people, which is now occurring in Germany through the emphasis on its Christian and national character, must also come about in the Jewish national group. For the Jewish people, too, national origin, religion, common destiny and a sense of its uniqueness must be of decisive importance in the shaping of its existence … because we, too, are against mixed marriage and are for maintaining the purity of the Jewish group and reject any trespasses in the cultural domain, we&emdash;having been brought up in the German language and German culture&emdash;can show an interest in the works and values of German culture with admiration and internal sympathy …"

As a result, the Hitler government vigorously supported Zionism's proposal for Jewish emigration to Palestine from 1933 until 1940-41. So thorough was the collaboration that the SS became particularly enthusiastic in its support for Zionism's transfer agreement. SS officer Leopold von Mildenstein and Zionist Federation official Kurt Tuchler and their wives toured Palestine together for six months to assess Zionist development there. Based on his firsthand observations, von Mildenstein wrote a series of twelve illustrated articles for the important Berlin daily Der Angriff that appeared in late 1934 under the heading "A Nazi Travels to Palestine," praising the success of the transfer agreement. The publishers of Der Angriff issued a special medal, with a swastika on one side and a Star of David on the other, to commemorate the joint SS-Zionist visit. A few months after the articles appeared, von Mildenstein was promoted to head the Jewish affairs department of the SS security service in order to support Zionist migration and development more effectively.
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Post by zone on Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:13 pm

By 1934 the SS had become the most pro-Zionist element in the Nazi Party. Other Nazis were even calling them "soft" on the Jews. Baron von Mildenstein had returned from his six-month visit to Palestine as an ardent Zionist sympathiser. Now as the head of the Jewish Department of the SS's Security Service, he started studying Hebrew and collecting Hebrew records; when his former companion and guide, Kurt Tuchler, visited his office in 1934, he was greeted by the strains of familiar Jewish folk tunes. There were maps on the walls showing the rapidly increasing strength of Zionism inside Germany. Von Mildenstein was as good as his word: he not only wrote favourably about what he saw in the Zionist colonies in Palestine; he also persuaded Goebbels to run the report as a massive twelve-part series in his own Der Angriff (The Assault), the leading Nazi propaganda organ (26 September to 9 October 1934). His stay among the Zionists had shown the SS man "the way to curing a centuries-long wound on the body of the world: the Jewish question". It was really amazing how some good Jewish boden under his feet could enliven the Jew: "The soil has reformed him and his kind in a decade. This new Jew will be a new people." To commemorate the Baron's expedition, Goebbels had a medal struck: on one side the swastika, on the other the Zionist star. [19]
19. Jacob Boas, A Nazi Travels to Palestine, History Today (London, January 1980), p.38.

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Post by zone on Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:14 pm

PPS - Mr. Brenner is one of the last true Communists, and not at all friendly to "right wing" revisionists (He expressed a desire to burn down the IHR building when contacted about stocking his books). He was clearly disgusted by the fascist collaboration of the Zionists though, and detailed it in both the above work and 51 Documents. Both are well worth reading, and carefully footnoted.

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