Stationary Earth

It seems NASA predicts Lunar and Solar eclipses as well as the positioning of all other planets in our system, by the GEOCENTRIC MODEL!

Geocentric Ephemeris for the Sun, Moon and Planets - NASA

I'm ordering the "Galileo was Wrong" books and all the resources from Geocentricity.com and everything else I can find.

Anything else specifically you'd recommend, Doc?

Two developments in seventeenth-century thought contributed to the celestial craze.

The ancient Greek model of the earth-centered universe, after reigning for 1,500 years, was being overturned in favor of a sun-centered model. The old Ptolemaic geocentric model featured a fixed, immovable world surrounded by spheres on which each of the planets moved, the whole of it encased in a crystalline orb of modest dimension that contained the stars. In his De Revolutionibus Orbium Coelestium, published in Poland in 1573, Nicolaus Copernicus knocked the world literally off its pivot by setting the earth in motion. His theory opened the depths of space to penetration by the optic reed when he proposed the heliocentric model of the solar system. And so the limitless universe we have come to know today was born with the colonies.

http://www.history.org/Foundation/journal/Winter05-06/telescopes.cfm?showSite=mobile

Targeting the Moon!!

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"The Moon rotates about its own axis in 27.322 days, which is also the time that it takes to complete one orbit around the Earth. As a result, the Moon always presents nearly the same face to the Earth. Whereas the actual rate of rotation is uniform, the distance through which the Moon moves in its orbit from day to day varies somewhat. Accordingly, the face that the Moon turns to Earth is subject to a corresponding cyclical variation, the lunar globe oscillating slightly (as seen over time by a terrestrial observer) with a period nearly equal to that of revolution. The amount of this apparent oscillation, which is called libration, is commonly between 6 and 7 degrees." (New Encyclopedia Britannica, vol. 17, p. 299).

In order to intercept the moon for a moon landing, you MUST have a rocket powerful enough to reach the moon and you MUST know the exact coordinates of the moon in the heavens.
You could try the shotgun method e.g. shoot hundreds of rockets at the moon in the hope that one of them will get lucky and intercept it.... The geocentric and heliocentric trajectories of the moon are completely different.

The heliocentric theory has the moon traveling from WEST to EAST at approx. 3600 km per hour even though everybody sees it moving from EAST to WEST like the sun.

According to the heliocentric theory, the moon is moving COUNTERCLOCKWISE from WEST to EAST at an average speed of 1.0 km per second or 3600 km per hour. It takes 27.3 days to circle the earth. The moon is approximately 384,000 km from the earth so to get the circumference of the orbit of the moon we multiply 384,000 x 2 x 3.14 which equals 2,411,528 km. Divide that by the number of seconds in 27.3 days which is 2,358.720. Then we divide 2,411,528 by 2,358,720 which gives us the number of kilometers that the moon travels in one second according to the heliocentric theory. To get the number of kilometers traveled in one hour we multiply by 3,600—the number of seconds in an hour. You definitely do not have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.

Of course, in the heliocentric model, the moon . . . or earth . . . moves a lot faster during solar or lunar eclipses in order to be able to clear the earth's shadow in a few hours!!

The scientific method is based on OBSERVATION . . . not assumption....In other words WYSIWYG —What You See Is What You Get....In the scientific method you are ALLOWED to trust your eyes and believe that what you see is actually happening.

The geocentric model has the moon traveling from EAST to WEST at approx. 98,000 km per hour.

According to the geocentric model, the moon is moving CLOCKWISE from EAST to WEST at an average speed of 27,000 km per second or 98,424 km per hour. It takes 24 hours and 50 minutes to circle the earth. Calculating the orbit is the same as the heliocentric model, but we divide by 24 hours and 50 minutes to get the orbital speed of the moon. This is indeed faster than a speeding bullet and 4 times faster than the space shuttle or the International Space Station.

http://www.reformation.org/targeting-the-moon.html

The invention of the telescope has been credited to Hans Lippershey, a Dutch spectacle maker. But this may or may not be correct (go for here for a bit more). The story goes that in July of 1609 Galileo had heard that a Dutchman had devised an instrument composed of two lenses that made objects appear closer. Not wanting to be scooped, Galileo quickly came up with his own version and:

"In August 1609 he invited the Venetian senate to inspect his own 'spy-glass' which, through a combination of a convex and concave lens, was able to magnify objects nine times greater than normal vision. The senate was greatly impressed, particularly by his suggestion that in matters of defense it would enable them to see the sails of ships two hours before they could be seen by the naked eye. When he presented his spy glass to them as a present they expressed their appreciation by doubling his salary to a thousand scudi a year and guaranteeing his position at Padua for the rest of his life. No doubt he felt some embarrassment when local spectacle makers were soon able to replicate his instruments for just a few scudi, but he committed himself to improving the power of his instruments and began to turn his attention to the heavens.

In March of the following year, 1610, he published Sidereus Nuncius, the 'Messenger of the Stars', which revealed the fruits of his observations. The tract was kept deliberately short in order to make it widely accessible and the style of language was uniquely devoid of philosophy. Combined with explosive contents, it made a remarkable impact worldwide. He wrote about the surface of the Moon, dismissing the common view that it was perfectly smooth, and describing it as full of lofty mountains and deep hollows. He wrote about the fixed stars, and told how he had witnessed "other stars, in myriads, which have never been seen before, and which surpass the old, previously known stars in number more than ten times". Most importantly, he wrote of his discovery of four new planets, the Moons of Jupiter which had never been imagined before.

With this, he justified his first ever 'outing' of his heliocentric beliefs, writing:
"Moreover, we have an excellent and exceedingly clear argument to put at rest
the scruples of those who can tolerate the revolution of the planets about the
Sun in the Copernican system, but are so disturbed by the revolution of the
single moon around the earth while both of them describe an annual orbit
around the Sun, that they consider this theory to be impossible."⁶

Galileo was assembling the ammunition to mount the final assault on the geocentric model. That objects could orbit Jupiter instead of the Earth, showed that the Earth could in no way be considered the sole center of the universe. A page from Galileo's journal showing some observations of the movements of the moons of Jupiter:

http://astronomy.nmsu.edu/tharriso/ast105/Ast105week04.html

Good schtuff, zonest! I lub it. :-)

There is another danger imposed by psychiatry that should concern everyone. It is the application of questionable psychiatric techniques and the availability of government psychiatrists that allows agencies such as the CIA and FBI to develop "psychological operations" (psy ops) programs.

Some of these dangerous programs that were under the power of this psychic mumbo-jumbo included the infamous LSD experiments, the current MK ULTRA Mind Control program and the CIA's STARGATE program.

These experiments could be considered unethical, illegal, unconstitutional and damaging to one's mental health, and is why psychiatry needs to be eradicated. It is destroying our society! It is an established cult that has mesmerized our nation in such a way, that to disagree with its techniques, outcomes, and programs is to be falsely accused of mental illness; as were tens of thousands of anti-government protestors and political dissidents that received virtual death sentences in the many Jewish run gulags of the “formerly communist” Soviet Union.

"We need a program of psychosurgery for political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated. "The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective. "Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain." Dr. Jose M.R. Delgado Director of Neuropsychiatry Yale University Medical School Congressional Record, No. 26, Vol. 118 February 24, 1974



Copernicanism AND The Cataclysmic Impact On Every Field Of Modern Man’s Knowledge



The Christian Bible (and the Koran) both declare the earth to be motionless. The mathematical Copernican model says the earth rotates on an "axis," (at over 1000 MPH) orbits the sun, (at 30 times rifle bullet speed) and is whooshing around a galaxy (at 250 times rifle bullet speed) - all at the same time. Over the centuries, superstars in the physical sciences established the Copernican model as an unchallenged fact. Copernicanism is a concept that is protected in a bunker under a 50 foot thick ceiling of solid "scientific" concrete. It is meant to be impregnable. It is a concept that has become ensconced in men’s minds as an indestructible cornerstone of enlightened modern man’s knowledge. Virtually all people everywhere have been taught to believe - and do believe - that this concept is based on objective science and dispassionate secular reasoning, now long since freed from silly religious superstitions based on the Bible.



Indeed, it was this Copernican heliocentrism concept that gradually broke the back of Bible credibility as the source of Absolute Truth in Western Culture.



Once the Copernican Revolution had conquered the physical sciences of Astronomy and Physics and put down deep roots in Universities and lower schools everywhere, it was only a matter of time until the Biological sciences launched the “Darwinian Revolution.”



This embrace of Darwinism then quite predictably emboldened increasingly secular-minded mankind to further reject Biblical Absolutism and replace its teachings with yet more new "truths," in areas of learning having to do with economics and government. Thus was unsuccessful and floundering Marxism given new life. Marx openly tried to dedicate his own books to Darwin, exulting: "You have given me the basis for my system." Thus, the "Social Science" disciplines were born and began to make their contributions to the destruction of Bible credibility.



Marx’s less famous and under-rated benefactor, Friedrich Ingles, not only recognized the anti-Bible nature of Darwinism and Marxism, he - more than Marx or any of the rest of those early Communist revolutionaries - fully grasped the overriding importance of protecting the Copernican foundation of the envisioned New World Order from any and all attacks.



He worked diligently to fortify against any lingering sporadic counter-attack against the Copernican foundation (by the Lutherans chiefly:lol!: ).



He understood that the continued hardening of the Copernican paradigm into unchallengable "fact" status was absolutely essential to the success of Marxism.



Engles wrote: "...one of the basic theses of dialectic materialism [Communism], is the inseparability of movement from matter...." (Anti-Communists, think on that a minute!!) Also: CHECK pp.25-27 in “THE EARTH IS NOT MOVING,” for this statement and for other quotations by Communist physicists and mathematicians about how mathematics were "created" and how Leninist theory "reconstructed the mathematical sciences" to rule out any non-moving (inert) body in the universe, i.e., to rule out the Biblical model of a stationary Earth at the centre of God’s Creation and simultaneously give atheism its "scientific" foundation.



Notice then the progression after the conquest of the physical sciences, to the biological sciences, to the social sciences and thence to the behavioral sciences. Now enter Sigmund Freud from far left stage. Freud - thoroughly marinated in evolution’s juices and ready to turn every sexual perversion from the Talmud’s pages (HERE) into normal behaviour and world notoriety stated flatly: "Man is not different from, or better than, the animals." He also declared that "...science is no illusion. But it would be an illusion to suppose that we could get anywhere else what IT cannot give us."



http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Illuminati/illuminati_and_communism.htm





Engles wrote: "...one of the basic theses of dialectic materialism [Communism], is the inseparability of movement from matter...."

Leninist theory "reconstructed the mathematical sciences" to rule
out any non-moving (inert) body in the universe, i.e., to rule out the Biblical model of a stationary Earth at the centre of God’s Creation and simultaneously give atheism its "scientific" foundation.

this is really simple.
its always the same families.
the agenda is real - "the mystery of iniquity"
the players were identified by Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself.

Doc i'll move this over to another but related thread. i know its interefering with the fact/data mining on this thread. but there's a simple reason for all this.

i'll be looking at the connection between the abominable idolatries of the Pharisees AND the Sadducees (who i have discovered didn't just convieniently fade away - they became the Mediciis, and later The Sauds.)

PneumaPsucheSoma wrote:Good schtuff, zonest! I lub it. :-)

hi bro.

yup. i love it too (though i aint no scientist).

but i've never forgotten these passages, and incredibly, their context. we're living through it. but Jesus is so Faithful to us. He gives us a heart to know Him and to love the truth, no matter the cost to ourselves. and history shows a certain group hates the truth and works tirelessly to supress it.

the real answer to TRUTH is right here, in the greatest reveal concerning the eschaton.

what was it Abraham DID that God counted as righteousness?

2 Thessalonians 2

New International Version (©1984)
and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

New Living Translation (©2007)
Then they will be condemned for enjoying evil rather than believing the truth.
English Standard Version (©2001)
in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


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And too, lest we forget that the evolution-based revolutions sparked by the Darwin/Marx/Freud triumvirate in the late 1800’s were TOTALLY dependent on the previous success of the Copernican Revolution, consider the bottom line of what was happening over in the Physics and Astronomy Departments while Freud was at the university in Paris in the mid-1880’s: That bottom line is that the negative results of the Michelson-Morley interferometer experiments conducted in Europe and the U.S. in the 1880’s consistently showed no orbital motion of the Earth around the sun. No motion. Period. (Shades of Joshua: "Sun, stand THOU still!" [Jos.10])


"...this unexpected result kept the scientific world long in perplexity....." wrote Hans Reichenbach in his insightful book “From Copernicus To Einstein.” He further noted: "This result, announced in 1887, dumfounded scientists...." ("Dumfounded" means "astonished, amazed, astounded, bewildered, confounded, flabbergasted, shocked and stunned".) This was serious stuff! The whole cult with its "science" idol was in jeopardy! Over three centuries of carefully layered propaganda and indoctrination had defeated, and all but buried the Bible’s account of a stationary Earth. The outer wall of the Bible’s claim to Truth had been battered down by radical members of the scientific priesthood. And now they were on the verge of breaking through the second line of defence with the Evolution battering ram. This breakthrough was designed to defeat and bury not only the Creation account of man created in the image of God, but the whole Creation scenario set out in the Bible. No Creation; no Garden of Eden; no Satan; no Temptation; no Fall; no need for Jesus Christ to redeem from the fallen condition.... What’s left of Christianity but a bunch of rituals and traditions?!)

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Illuminati/illuminati_and_communism.htm






LET'S GET 'ER DUN.

OUR KING IS COMING!

new thread tomorrow, paralleling this one: PART I

The Frankfort School.

and course the money boyz -rockefellers and carnegies.

and there are the photos of the monkeys that came back from the van allen belt.

*cough cough*

In real life... I have many coming to me and asking about many of these things because they know I stand for truth at any cost; and they're hungry to receive real truth instead of what they've been told/taught.

I'm thankful to you and Doc for the wealth of info and resources to put names and phone numbers to all the players in this nightmare of deceit.

PneumaPsucheSoma wrote:In real life... I have many coming to me and asking about many of these things because they know I stand for truth at any cost; and they're hungry to receive real truth instead of what they've been told/taught.

I'm thankful to you and Doc for the wealth of info and resources to put names and phone numbers to all the players in this nightmare of deceit.

that's yer vehicle right thar bubba.

that natmare of deceit. yep.

she runs like a top, works everytime.

the bad guys figgered out "TERRORISM" early on. that 'nightmare of deceit' is that thing....you know....that nagging feeling. something's wrong. it almost seems like....the people on tv are...laughing at me: what? nah. i just imagined that.

anyways, questioning too deeply, or asking weird questions feels scary and people treat ya different. and........well, WHAT IF that thing just outside my field of vision really truly is a huge ugly rabid monster coming right at me?

then what?

........................

nah....it seems easier to raise the kiddies in a matrix (the matrix is already set up....everybody lives that way), don't even need em all to be asleep...use TERROR within, and Terror without to control them (use pharmakia when required).

once they're stunned in sufficient numbers, the culling can begin in earnest.

only tell them partial truth, if ever.

they'll believe lies far more readily than having to face a TRUTH that hurts them. a truth they might have to do something about (even if it just means FACING IT AND TRUSTING GOD)

it takes time and careful preparation, asking God for the means and ability to receive the truth. the truth is not easy. the truth makes people angry. the truth gets you killed. we must PREPARE to receive it. i've seen many step out of the matrix too soon with no support...and they go back; or turn to drink or drugs; or fall into deep depression.

a little bit every day....like:

Governments do not govern, but merely control the machinery of government, being themselves controlled by the hidden hand."
Benjamin Disraeli
English Prime Minister - 1844


"a-a-a-a...hold on.
just one more thing Disraeli.
what's "the hidden hand"?"


We are on the verge of a global transformation.
All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.
David Rockefeller



When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.
Dresden James



TERROR.

it was known at Jerusalem, in 70AD.

the WHY of it should have been understood.

Deuteronomy 3
In the street the sword will make them childless; in their homes terror will reign. Young men and young women will perish, infants and gray-haired men.

Matthew 12:42
The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomon's wisdom, and now one greater than Solomon is here.

Matthew 12:6
I tell you that one greater than the temple is here.

~

Ephesians 2
To the Church in Ephesus

1“To the angel^a of the church in Ephesus write:

These are the words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands: 2I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked men, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false. 3You have persevered and have endured hardships for my name, and have not grown weary.

4Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken your first love. 5Remember the height from which you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place. 6But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

7He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.

To the Church in Smyrna

8“To the angel of the church in Smyrna write:

These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again. 9I know your afflictions and your poverty—yet you are rich! I know the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. 10Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.

11He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death.

PneumaPsucheSoma wrote:I'm ordering the "Galileo was Wrong" books and all the resources from Geocentricity.com and everything else I can find.

Anything else specifically you'd recommend, Doc?

"Galileo was Wrong" will have pretty much everything you need in it. After only reading the samples I could find on the internet and all the articles on their blog I was fully equipped to do cosmic battle with even the heartiest atheistic egghead juggernauts.

If your not bothered about the catholic history and galileo trial then you only really need volume 1 I think.

Definately download all their scientific PDF articles here:

http://galileowaswrong.blogspot.com/

I previously had NO idea Helio was one of the central tenets of all this escalation until Doc brought it up at CC last year. Even not knowing the details, I was aware of modern false Israel and the spirit of antichrist coming out of Assyria (modern Turkey). I was aware of many of the agendas and had a grasp of the econo-political side. I knew about eugenics and food/water source issues, innoculations and pharmaceuticals, and much more in the way of the many individual puzzle pieces.

But... Wilderness helped tie it all together; and Heliocentricity is a primary integrated key part that I never even had a hint of previously.

Others are already receiving it. For some, it's a "What?!!" moment. For others it's an "I KNEW it!!" moment.

The Senior Recovery Pastor and his wife went to lunch with us a few weeks ago. I began asking him about his view of scriptural inspiration in detail as related to helio. After I introduced the Geo topic, he said he'd always wondered why he landed in the same place when he jumped in the air. He's one of the greatest men of faith I've ever known and he readily received the truth.

His wife was incredulous and had many questions once she could keep her chin off the ground. Even after a long conversation, she texted me the next day, FURIOUS about being mind-raped with a lie she never questioned. There's quite a stir about this already, and a demand for me to teach it to the entire church body.

It works right in to Recovery Ministries, too, since we dig around to find everyone's False Belief Systems to help expose the lie(s) that facilitates their addiction(s) and behaviors.

"Be not weary in well doing..." and "Faint not at the promises of God...", my true co-laborers.

PneumaPsucheSoma wrote:There's quite a stir about this already, and a demand for me to teach it to the entire church body.

AMEN!

All the lies will be brought into the light of day. God bless your ministry sir.

PneumaPsucheSoma wrote:
It works right in to Recovery Ministries, too, since we dig around to find everyone's False Belief Systems to help expose the lie(s) that facilitates their addiction(s) and behaviors.

this is what i was mentioning before.
always this question about people being in denial and such.
whether its something in their early lives that caused them to pick up something and get addicted (Sugar Puffs at 4?)

regarding the battle we are in, against the principalities and powers and the evil men who hate the Lord - even the pop stuff about Conpsiracies (JFK, 9-11 etc) - there's this wall most times that just doesn't come down. too many are in denial about just about everything. or worse, are holding on to wrong ideas (pretribbers etc).

i prayed a short prayer for 1 full year before the Lord showed me ANYTHING. and when he did, it ghot it all at once. He must have prepared me and He held me up, but if one is in a fragile state of mind, or hasn't considered the possibility of having believed such monstrous lies (blasphemies, really) it is a delicate time.

i'm glad you're an addictions professional. people can wig out....PTSD resulting from ultra-deception is real. on social level like this too.

it's never cool finding out you've been deceived/lied to.
"what? ME? deceived?" no one wants to think such a thing. but we gotta stay alert. they have plans for all that stuff....

and yet we must. we're born into a world of lies we have to fight (at least for clarity for oursevles). this would be impossible without His supernatural renewing of the mind. i wish more Christians would have faith in that gift and use it!

we have to tear down these strongholds that set themselves up against God and His people. and Jesus delights in revealing the truth to us. He likes it that we LOVE the truth, no matter the cost to ourselves.

Doc said once before that Genesis was the most natural place for satan to start his tricks. and he's still at it. never mind all the ridiculous spinning and high speeds and destinations to nowhere: THE WORSHIP OF THE SUN is at the heart of this thing. recorded forever in Ezekiel too.

I'm glad you met Doc - he's a super-brain like you.

Check out this free software.

http://www.stellarium.org/

(top right to download)

It's the next best thing to having a state of the art telescope. I was on it for HOURS last night watching the wonderous celestial sphere rotate around Gods stationary Earth.

wow that is soooooo cool Doc.
thanks.

i always wanted a tele and a little garden shed. this'll start me off.

love you bro.

True, non-hypothetical SCIENCE (observational data, our senses, physical experiments, and logic) contradicts the assertions of Mainstream Science's existing deceitful, fraud-ridden, unverifiable, State-funded, "mathematical" (exists and works on paper and in imagination only) model of the universe that is saturated with metaphysical nonsense and derived from the mystical Zohar/Kabbala (sorcery/darkmagic/witchcraft) of the Pharisee RELIGION. Moreover, the intelligible Christian Bible's voluntarily-funded Geocentric/Geostationary model of the universe proclaims:

The Sun's PATH Creates and Completes an Orbit Around the Motionless, Spherical Earth Daily.





here are some audios from the fixed earth guy. they're cool for beginners like me. and free:


Audio Series# I
*******************************************
(Download in Series I ranges between c.1 & 2 minutes)

Exposing and Destroying Evolution-Based False Science

Introduction (18:15)

Part I: The Bible
The Bible Emphatically Denies a Moving Earth (11:45)

Part II: Copernicanism Is False Science
1st Session: Six Assumptions; No Science (14:46)
2nd Session: Three More Assumptions (15:26)

Part III: Fraud Rules Space Science
1st Session: NASA's Lead Role (15:23)
2nd Session: Phony Telescopes and Cameras (17:08)
3rd Session: False Redshift & Infrared (19:01)
4th Session: Phony Math, VR Technology, Star Distances (19:36)

Part IV: The Pharisee Religion's Satan-Led Strategies

1st Session: The Big Bang Is Religious, Not Secular (19:44)
2nd Session: Satan Is The Pharisee Religion's G'd (20:20)
3rd Session: The Pharisee's Mortal Wound (17:44)
4th Session: The Pharisee's Target Bible Doctrines (17:43)


Summary of Audio Series # I (16:39)
http://www.fixedearth.com/audio/audiosessions.html

zone wrote:wow that is soooooo cool Doc.
thanks.

i always wanted a tele and a little garden shed. this'll start me off.

love you bro.

Uber-awesome aint it?

zone wrote:here are some audios from the fixed earth guy. they're cool for beginners like me

He's ok but a bit weak on the science. He's not a fan of the Machian model (that explains forces). He may have a problem with the aether. The galileowaswrong guys are by far the best.

THIS IS A MUST LISTEN!

Part IV: The Pharisee Religion's Satan-Led Strategies


1st Session: The Big Bang Is Religious, Not Secular (19:44)
2nd Session: Satan Is The Pharisee Religion's G'd (20:20)
3rd Session: The Pharisee's Mortal Wound (17:44)
4th Session: The Pharisee's Target Bible Doctrines (17:43)

http://www.fixedearth.com/audiosessions_old.html


THESE GUYS ARE FUNNY.
BUT THEY COVER IT ALL.
ITS THE PHARISEES STOOPID.
it always was.
they even cover the trickery through the courts.

DEVILS!!!!
but i admit i love it when they're BUSTED.

Strangelove wrote:Check out this free software.

http://www.stellarium.org/

(top right to download)

It's the next best thing to having a state of the art telescope. I was on it for HOURS last night watching the wonderous celestial sphere rotate around Gods stationary Earth.

Thanx. I'll download it. :-)

zone wrote:
this is what i was mentioning before.
always this question about people being in denial and such.
whether its something in their early lives that caused them to pick up something and get addicted (Sugar Puffs at 4?)

regarding the battle we are in, against the principalities and powers and the evil men who hate the Lord - even the pop stuff about Conpsiracies (JFK, 9-11 etc) - there's this wall most times that just doesn't come down. too many are in denial about just about everything. or worse, are holding on to wrong ideas (pretribbers etc).

i prayed a short prayer for 1 full year before the Lord showed me ANYTHING. and when he did, it ghot it all at once. He must have prepared me and He held me up, but if one is in a fragile state of mind, or hasn't considered the possibility of having believed such monstrous lies (blasphemies, really) it is a delicate time.

i'm glad you're an addictions professional. people can wig out....PTSD resulting from ultra-deception is real. on social level like this too.

it's never cool finding out you've been deceived/lied to.
"what? ME? deceived?" no one wants to think such a thing. but we gotta stay alert. they have plans for all that stuff....

and yet we must. we're born into a world of lies we have to fight (at least for clarity for oursevles). this would be impossible without His supernatural renewing of the mind. i wish more Christians would have faith in that gift and use it!

we have to tear down these strongholds that set themselves up against God and His people. and Jesus delights in revealing the truth to us. He likes it that we LOVE the truth, no matter the cost to ourselves.

Doc said once before that Genesis was the most natural place for satan to start his tricks. and he's still at it. never mind all the ridiculous spinning and high speeds and destinations to nowhere: THE WORSHIP OF THE SUN is at the heart of this thing. recorded forever in Ezekiel too.

I'm glad you met Doc - he's a super-brain like you.

Yes, it was among the few greatest blessings in my life to meet you and Doc. I never liked CC, but was compelled to be there and drawn to your posts immediately if you'll remember. I didn't even know you were a "girl". ROFLMHO. And I hadn't fully made the Kabbalah connection at that time.

I'm all about challenging established paradigms and tearing down "outer walls of partition" and the like.

One precious lady in the church became intrigued with my teaching style and knowledge base, and has come under tremendous conviction that she is indoctrinated and has no idea how to sort everything out; and she's a SCIENCE teacher in a public high school.

Unfortunately, our wonderful Pastor is a published Dispy author, which is very difficult for me as you can imagine. Anyway, I don't want to be schizmatic, but we began conversing about a number of things, including Eschatology. She readily admitted she didn't know what she believed or why, even though she had always believed Pre-Trib Rapture. I asked her a few key questions, and she's just dying to hear truth now.

Wait 'til we get to Helio and Cosmology. She's gonna cry... literally.

That's what it's about. Shine the light. Expose the darkness. Be not ignorant of Satan's devices.

these guys say the Pharisees are getting scared with the internet cuz their "textbooks" can be scrutinized...and are being.

so they've gone into overdrive releasing psyops and limited 'kabbalah' hang-outs.

they prove EVOLUTIONARY teaching is as much a religious teaching (as opposed to its fraudulent claim to be 'secular') as Creationism! now they say the courts have nothing stopping them from teaching BOTH side by side - guess who'll come out the big fat loser?


LOL

Here's what GitRDunn is saying...

If the Earth does not rotate the observations do not match. Go to that link you provided for us and do some experiments like I did. If the Earth is not rotating, then the Sun revolves around the Earth once every 24 hours. When you count the sun going around the Earth as one day, and then watch how long a planet is visible from one location on Earth, it is not only visible for approximately 12 hours, as we see occur each night. I described tests I did with Mars and Jupiter in post #130. Try it out for yourself if you don't believe me.


I've posted a bunch of stuff, including Bowden's YouTubes on the experiments.

PneumaPsucheSoma wrote:Here's what GitRDunn is saying...

If the Earth does not rotate the observations do not match. Go to that link you provided for us and do some experiments like I did. If the Earth is not rotating, then the Sun revolves around the Earth once every 24 hours. When you count the sun going around the Earth as one day, and then watch how long a planet is visible from one location on Earth, it is not only visible for approximately 12 hours, as we see occur each night. I described tests I did with Mars and Jupiter in post #130. Try it out for yourself if you don't believe me.


I've posted a bunch of stuff, including Bowden's YouTubes on the experiments.

PPS
can you link me to your forum so i can read the debate? i won't post or anything.
ta.
zonest.

zone wrote:

PPS
can you link me to your forum so i can read the debate? i won't post or anything.
ta.
zonest.

Here ya go...

http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/235469-Heliocentricity-vs-Geocentricity

It's my first attempt at a Geo discussion. :-)

GitRDunn is a Science Teacher/Professor with a Master's Degree.
RevLogos is a NASA Rocket Scientist who works on the Shuttle Project.
FaithfulOne is an Astrophysicist.

Career Scientists... Yee and Haw! GitRDunn is a long-time acquaintance, as is RevLogos. Both are gracious and respect me personally; but they're wrong about Helio.

I've focused it purely on the Geo/Helio dichotomy without addressing Kabbalah or Freemasons or any of the rest. First, I was tentative. Then I felt like I was dog-paddling. Now it's a bit more fun after just inundating them with info.

I still don't really expect compliance. I'm just trying to graduate from Elementary School on this while learning a thorough Geo Apologetic.

Love ya muches...

hi PPS.
imma rant fer a bit i reckon...k?

PneumaPsucheSoma wrote:
and she's a SCIENCE teacher in a public high school.

zone wrote:True, non-hypothetical SCIENCE (observational data, our senses, physical experiments, and logic) contradicts the assertions of Mainstream Science's existing deceitful, fraud-ridden, unverifiable, State-funded, "mathematical" (exists and works on paper and in imagination only) model of the universe

I know you know all this, but i just be talkin' to myself and eating cheetos cuz it's 2:30am and that's how i roll:)

This is one of the keys to dialoguing with people...starting off with the whole picture.

using that HUGE chalkboard or HUGE ball of yarn to demonstrate that this is a HUGE problem (conspiracy) i.e: - the STATE funded/level issue...

this thing is only possible due to the high level of infiltration, and the depth of the conspiracy. the nearly complete takeover, even though it's just Oz behind a curtain. If people can consider right away the notion that EVERYTHING they were taught is either completely FALSIFIED and/or that the gaps in their knowledge were intentionally and carefully formed and placed they can more readily open their minds to the idea of the world as liar (which scripture tells us already).

picking at a corner of a single issue isn't very efficient. i may get someone to eventually concede that Daniel 9 is fulfilled, but if i can't get them to see WHY they were taught otherwise (who taught them it wasn't and why), its too time-consuming and can blow back because there aren't enough hours in a day and peeps don't have the stamina to unravel the whole ball piece by piece. they'll go back into denial sometimes.

I've spent 9 years prying the lid off this thing. They figured out through experiments and observation of us how to use cause and effect so they could engineer our social behaviour. how else could one shrivelled up little wizard behind a curtain deceive the whole world? they needed our help. they needed us to regulate ourselves and our neighbours - PEER PRESSURE. Political Correctness....Hate Crimes, Thought Crimes.

nothing new. Stazis. Brownshirts. Patriot Acts.

its very very good to be familair with the few 'scientists'/EXPERTS who worked that angle: Pavolov, Bernays, Freud etc. pop novelists and the ivy league writers are often their biographers and mappers (i.e: HG Wells, Orwell, Hemmingway, etc). Even Marvel Comic Books was an internal communications method for them.

anyways, regarding trying to wake people up.....sometimes i can literally get some time with someone...a few hours or days where they are away from their normal environment...a weekend away for example.

to to close their eyes and ponder something like Plato's Cave. To listen for a little while to the proposal that there is a secret/hidden class of men who for thousands of years have been doing what they call "The Great Work": building their own Utopia. they need us to build it, without knowing about it....but the twisted part is that according to their sick religion, they must also reveal to us what they are doing..."Hidden in Plain View", or "Revelation of the Method".

their dualistic gnsotic thing says they can do anything they want to us, but in their weird morality, they have to inform us of it. but we can learn their language and now i see them do it all the time. i know who is who and what they are saying. its fascinating. the mystery of iniquity.

~
regarding helping someone CONSIDER the possibility that what they think is true in life is not (or any combination of that), I have found starting at HISTORY (and what has been done to it) works best for me. because it's verifiable! PROOF of anything is found in history! and critically, proof of conspiracy to deceive is found in the coverup of history.

it becomes easier and easier to get quickly to the truth of a matter by looking for what is MISSING! for what they are NOT saying, etc. One can become quite skillful at this. and its fun sometimes.

in fact, TRUTH SEEN IN HISTORY is such a problem for the bad guys, they have to destroy history by any means. one reason we got the internet and digitial info is so they can get rid of the books and rewrite history in real time.

their methods for changing history are legion, and nothing new.
this is just the old Soviet Model. though we're getting something much more advanced now...

the fact that THIS ALONE (covering up historical truth) is so easily proven is key - when someone can be shown that men with enough clout to actually alter history books and make lying documentaries, or stage televised deceptions like 9-11 are operating furiously all around us, the person gets mad/curious enough to listen: no one likes to be lied to.....but more importantly, if the Holy Spirit is working with that individual, he or she will be OPEN TO TRUTH.

they will be taught of the Spirit of Truth. they will KNOW the Truth, and just like Jesus said, the truth will set them free. this is and always has been a battle for the mind primarily, for by capturing the mind so goes the soul.

[i knoiw you know all this....i'm just yakkin.]

anyways....for me, this is a sign of one who loves the Lord - one loves the truth! and searches for it at ANY COST. this isn't just dime store 'conspiracy theories' stuff (another clever pavlovian psyop they came up with)...this is LOVE FOR THE SPIRITUAL TRUTHS of Our God. searching for the truth with the Bible as our Infallible Source and the Spirit as our Teacher makes this such a fantastic journey! upsetting and lonely at times, frustrating and kerfuzzling too: but what greater joy is there than when The Lord reveals truth to us?

MEMBER WHEN YOU KEPT TEACHING AND I FINALLY UNDERSTOOD THE SON OF HIMSELF? woohoo!


so anyways:

They've given us an entirely false "reality", an highly controlled matrix so that we believe in the Accidental View of History vs the Conspiratorial View:




The Unseen Hand: An Introduction to the Conspiratoral View of History


by Ralph Epperson
The Unseen Hand: An Introduction to the Conspiratoral View of History 3.83 ·

It is the contention of the author that the major events of the past, the wars, the depressions and the revolutions, have been planned years in advance by an international conspiracy. This view is called the Conspiratorial View of History, and is definitely not the view held by the majority of historians today. The more traditional view is called The Accidental View of History, and it holds that no one really knows why events happen--they just do.

~

see this?

"The Accidental View of History, and it holds that no one really knows why events happen--they just do"



how handy is that?

anyways....
By having taken over governments (now metastasizing via the NGOs in preparation for service under THE Government) they were able to grab the controls of all our institutions, resulting in a highly efficient machine that is exactly like the Masons' BEEHIVE:


"Looking at the regulated labor of these insects when congregated in their hive, it is not surprising that a beehive should have been deemed an appropriate emblem of systematized industry."

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/symbolism/bees.html



~

the profane/workers are easily compartmentalized - like your Christian sister the Science teacher- to unknowingly perform the work and rituals of the dark priesthood (who merely put on white jackets/robes and pretended to be 'secular')

In the closing Acts of the Play where they devised and acted out the false dichotomies and dialectics for Capitialism vs Communism, what they really had going on the whole time, but "Hidden in Plain View" was Fascism.

as you know, this is marriage of corporation and state.

the Fasci in the background (hidden in plain view) are wrapped in laurels, signifying that the rulers are ruling over a conquered people. the people don't have to know anything about it, but what is being done to them must be revealed to them.

often there will be something like a Hollywood movie depicting planes flying into buildings in NY, then something like that will happen. its part of their religion.

just one big joke for the psychos as the sheeple wave big foam hands and giant cowboy hats and signs with stars on them....cheering on their Xtian leaders who wanna nuke Iran for Israel and such.

but that's ok. The Lord knows those that are His and He won't lose any.

back shortly to our new priesthood of experts and scientists (who are just the old ones in different clothes speaking different words - HIDDEN IN PLAIN VIEW.

they lie to us, lie about everything, especially about God.

i am so grateful that i have Doc, and you and a few others in my life (you know who you are:flower: ). i like our forum. i love my church and my pastor....and my kids and family.

and we are going into the eschaton and we have to keep working. deception is the hallmark of the eschaton, and we must keep knocking down the lies.
plus its fun.

Matthew 28
The Great Commission
16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

PneumaPsucheSoma wrote:
Unfortunately, our wonderful Pastor is a published Dispy author, which is very difficult for me as you can imagine. Anyway, I don't want to be schizmatic, but we began conversing about a number of things, including Eschatology. She readily admitted she didn't know what she believed or why, even though she had always believed Pre-Trib Rapture. I asked her a few key questions, and she's just dying to hear truth now.

Wait 'til we get to Helio and Cosmology. She's gonna cry... literally.

this part is cool. let me know how it goes...i like hearing it! Praise You Father!

mebbe later i post in another thread somewhere about this part:

PneumaPsucheSoma wrote:
Unfortunately, our wonderful Pastor is a published Dispy author, which is very difficult for me as you can imagine. Anyway, I don't want to be schizmatic.....

???
i love you brother.
Zoney

PneumaPsucheSoma wrote:

Here ya go...

http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/235469-Heliocentricity-vs-Geocentricity

It's my first attempt at a Geo discussion. :-)

GitRDunn is a Science Teacher/Professor with a Master's Degree.
RevLogos is a NASA Rocket Scientist who works on the Shuttle Project.
FaithfulOne is an Astrophysicist.

Career Scientists... Yee and Haw! GitRDunn is a long-time acquaintance, as is RevLogos. Both are gracious and respect me personally; but they're wrong about Helio.

I've focused it purely on the Geo/Helio dichotomy without addressing Kabbalah or Freemasons or any of the rest. First, I was tentative. Then I felt like I was dog-paddling. Now it's a bit more fun after just inundating them with info.

I still don't really expect compliance. I'm just trying to graduate from Elementary School on this while learning a thorough Geo Apologetic.

Love ya muches...

suhweet!

thank you! i'll be checkin the forum later today.

what're you doin' up? wanna cheeto?


LOL.

love z

zone wrote:





suhweet!

thank you! i'll be checkin the forum later today.

what're you doin' up? wanna cheeto?


LOL.

love z

Sure! I love Flamin' Hots, Crunchy, OR Puffs. :-D