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Roots of the NAR and NOLR
by zone Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:59 pm
the NAR is the New Apostolic Restoration movement.
the NOLR is the New Order of the Latter Rain movement.
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following are a series of short posts which make up larger articles on the subject.
i'll break up the articles because the subject matter is intense.
following post is just a short wiki intro to both movements.
oversimplified summary: Kabbalah (a marker of Mystery Babylon) is the root of the NAR and NOLR. the occultism of Kabbalah is making inroads into the church in any number of ways, but if these 2 bad trees (NAR and NOLR) can be understood, their branches can be recognized as well.
side note: this subject should prompt us to address cessationism, and Sola Scriptura.
the NOLR is the New Order of the Latter Rain movement.
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following are a series of short posts which make up larger articles on the subject.
i'll break up the articles because the subject matter is intense.
following post is just a short wiki intro to both movements.
oversimplified summary: Kabbalah (a marker of Mystery Babylon) is the root of the NAR and NOLR. the occultism of Kabbalah is making inroads into the church in any number of ways, but if these 2 bad trees (NAR and NOLR) can be understood, their branches can be recognized as well.
side note: this subject should prompt us to address cessationism, and Sola Scriptura.
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Re: Roots of the NAR and NOLR
by zone Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:05 pm
this entry is a jumping off point for NOLR (New Order of The Latter Rain)
Latter Rain Movement
Latter Rain Movement may refer to:
Latter Rain Movement
Latter Rain Movement may refer to:
- "Latter Rain" is a term used in Holiness and Pentecostal movements.
- Latter Rain (1880s movement) was a precursor to modern Pentecostalism.
- Latter Rain (post–World War II movement) originated within Pentecostalism during the late 1940s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latter_Rain_Movement
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this is a starting place re: the NAR
(wiki uses the word Reformation instead of Restoration: either are used, though Restoration is more common)
New Apostolic Reformation
The New Apostolic Reformation is a movement in Protestant Christianity largely associated with the Pentecostal and Charismatic movements. The basic thesis asserts that God is restoring the lost offices of church governance, namely the offices of Prophet and Apostle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Apostolic_Reformation
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Re: Roots of the NAR and NOLR
by zone Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:21 pm
lastly, Zohar: i don't recommend trying to make sense of it from within, it's pure occult. but understanding it as one root of the trees NOLR and NAR is key....its fruit will become evident as seen in its infiltration of the Christian Church.
Zohar
The Zohar (Hebrew: זֹהַר, lit Splendor or Radiance) is the foundational work in the literature of Jewish mystical thought known as Kabbalah.[1] It is a group of books including commentary on the mystical aspects of the Torah (the five books of Moses) and scriptural interpretations as well as material on Mysticism, mythical cosmogony, and mystical psychology. The Zohar contains a discussion of the nature of God, the origin and structure of the universe, the nature of souls, redemption, the relationship of Ego to Darkness and "true self" to "The Light of God," and the relationship between the "universal energy" and man. Its scriptural exegesis can be considered an esoteric form of the Rabbinic literature known as Midrash, which elaborates on the Torah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zohar
Zohar
The Zohar (Hebrew: זֹהַר, lit Splendor or Radiance) is the foundational work in the literature of Jewish mystical thought known as Kabbalah.[1] It is a group of books including commentary on the mystical aspects of the Torah (the five books of Moses) and scriptural interpretations as well as material on Mysticism, mythical cosmogony, and mystical psychology. The Zohar contains a discussion of the nature of God, the origin and structure of the universe, the nature of souls, redemption, the relationship of Ego to Darkness and "true self" to "The Light of God," and the relationship between the "universal energy" and man. Its scriptural exegesis can be considered an esoteric form of the Rabbinic literature known as Midrash, which elaborates on the Torah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zohar
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Re: Roots of the NAR and NOLR
by zone Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:28 pm
Wisdom Sophia, the Zohar, Christian Kabbalah
The following is excerpted from blog comments by NOLR History. It is important for Christians to understand the occult roots of the Latter Rain movement that has infiltrated the modern church.
Wisdom Sophia, the Zohar, Christian Kabbalah
Exposing the Forerunners, Exposing the Cause and Effect
We can say that John was indeed a forerunner for Jesus Christ.
We can also say that Madame Guyon and Zinzendorf were also forerunners, but for a hybrid antichrist that was developed during renaissance-era Europe and imported into North America. This history behind the belief system that Guyon and Zinzendorf endorsed is well-documented in many history books. That NOLR leaders re-animate the original quests and objectives of Guyon, Leade, Zinzendorf, Beissel, Kelpius, etc. as they played out their utopian communities in America should provide a blatant expectation that the NAR/ICA will fail is the very same spectacular manner as did the originators....
...The treatment is exposing the history of their forerunners in identifying their occult practices and objectives. This will simultaneously expose the longterm occult doctrines and practices. All the hard work; the research, has already been done.
Your going to have to get beyond the metaphysical however. Yes, there are indeed powers, principalities and spiritual wickedness bound up in the mix, but the Bible tells us that it is the “Doctrines of Demons” that provide the demons a place within the minds, hearts and communities of these Christian Kabbalists. You’ve already seen the video confirmation in numerous places where NOLR leaders like Chuck Pierce, C. Peter Wagner, Barbara Wentroble and dozens of others lead their congregants into physical actions based upon a Christian Kabbalist interpretation of the beginning of entering into a New Age. Their 2008 Denton, Texas meeting “Starting the Year off Right” shows that the NOLR/NAR admit they believe the Kabbalah is divinely-inspired and equal to the Bible. Their actions speaks louder than words.
Summary
Central questions that already have been answered:
1) For the Christian, is the Kabbalah a divinely-inspired set of writings from with to spiritually and practically embrace i.e. for doctrine and practice? If so, why? If not, and they are embraced, what are the consequences?
2) Can the doctrines and practices that the NOLR/NAR promotes be historically identified with those leaders/spiritual heros that they embrace? If so, what are the consequences?
3) Is the Christ of the NOLR/NAR the same Christ of the Bible, or is their Christ really the Adam Kadmon of the Lurian Kabbalah coupled with the mysterious fourth part of the Godhead known as “Wisdom Sophia” as identified by Jacob Boehme, Jane Leade, Count von Zinzendorf, etc. etc.?
These and other question can be answered and serve as direction for reaching out to the young occultists led by Lou Engle, Mike Bickle, Francis Frangipane, Rick Joyner, Barbara Wentroble, Cindy Jacobs, Dutch Sheets, C. Peter Wagner, Bill Johnson, Bill Hamon, and many, many others
[key terms/identifiers to watch for]:
IHOP, MorningStar, Every Nations, NAR/ICA, Bridal Mysticism, Kabbalah, Creation, Zinzendorf, Hernhutt, Bob Jones, Paul Cain, Bride Company, Corporate Christ
http://truthspeaker.wordpress.com/2009/09/19/wisdom-sophia-the-zohar-christian-kabbalah/
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becoming familiar with the players, doing a little research into the "ministries" and activities of each indicates where they are in the church, the continuity of their "doctrines", and what the effect is.
if we haven't already, we absolutely WILL run into these people personally, online, or the effect of their movements will become personally familiar. even a little understanding of these trees makes it possible to recognize someone either knowingly active in it, or victimized by it - the language and "isms" will ring.
The following is excerpted from blog comments by NOLR History. It is important for Christians to understand the occult roots of the Latter Rain movement that has infiltrated the modern church.
Wisdom Sophia, the Zohar, Christian Kabbalah
Exposing the Forerunners, Exposing the Cause and Effect
We can say that John was indeed a forerunner for Jesus Christ.
We can also say that Madame Guyon and Zinzendorf were also forerunners, but for a hybrid antichrist that was developed during renaissance-era Europe and imported into North America. This history behind the belief system that Guyon and Zinzendorf endorsed is well-documented in many history books. That NOLR leaders re-animate the original quests and objectives of Guyon, Leade, Zinzendorf, Beissel, Kelpius, etc. as they played out their utopian communities in America should provide a blatant expectation that the NAR/ICA will fail is the very same spectacular manner as did the originators....
...The treatment is exposing the history of their forerunners in identifying their occult practices and objectives. This will simultaneously expose the longterm occult doctrines and practices. All the hard work; the research, has already been done.
Your going to have to get beyond the metaphysical however. Yes, there are indeed powers, principalities and spiritual wickedness bound up in the mix, but the Bible tells us that it is the “Doctrines of Demons” that provide the demons a place within the minds, hearts and communities of these Christian Kabbalists. You’ve already seen the video confirmation in numerous places where NOLR leaders like Chuck Pierce, C. Peter Wagner, Barbara Wentroble and dozens of others lead their congregants into physical actions based upon a Christian Kabbalist interpretation of the beginning of entering into a New Age. Their 2008 Denton, Texas meeting “Starting the Year off Right” shows that the NOLR/NAR admit they believe the Kabbalah is divinely-inspired and equal to the Bible. Their actions speaks louder than words.
Summary
Central questions that already have been answered:
1) For the Christian, is the Kabbalah a divinely-inspired set of writings from with to spiritually and practically embrace i.e. for doctrine and practice? If so, why? If not, and they are embraced, what are the consequences?
2) Can the doctrines and practices that the NOLR/NAR promotes be historically identified with those leaders/spiritual heros that they embrace? If so, what are the consequences?
3) Is the Christ of the NOLR/NAR the same Christ of the Bible, or is their Christ really the Adam Kadmon of the Lurian Kabbalah coupled with the mysterious fourth part of the Godhead known as “Wisdom Sophia” as identified by Jacob Boehme, Jane Leade, Count von Zinzendorf, etc. etc.?
These and other question can be answered and serve as direction for reaching out to the young occultists led by Lou Engle, Mike Bickle, Francis Frangipane, Rick Joyner, Barbara Wentroble, Cindy Jacobs, Dutch Sheets, C. Peter Wagner, Bill Johnson, Bill Hamon, and many, many others
[key terms/identifiers to watch for]:
IHOP, MorningStar, Every Nations, NAR/ICA, Bridal Mysticism, Kabbalah, Creation, Zinzendorf, Hernhutt, Bob Jones, Paul Cain, Bride Company, Corporate Christ
http://truthspeaker.wordpress.com/2009/09/19/wisdom-sophia-the-zohar-christian-kabbalah/
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becoming familiar with the players, doing a little research into the "ministries" and activities of each indicates where they are in the church, the continuity of their "doctrines", and what the effect is.
if we haven't already, we absolutely WILL run into these people personally, online, or the effect of their movements will become personally familiar. even a little understanding of these trees makes it possible to recognize someone either knowingly active in it, or victimized by it - the language and "isms" will ring.
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Re: Roots of the NAR and NOLR
by zone Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:36 pm
Excerpts from:
Lachman, Gary. Politics and the Occult : The Left, the Right, and the Radically Unseen (Wheaton, IL: Quest Books/Theosophical Pub. House, 2008) pp. 56-57.
p.56
Sexual Metaphysics
By the time Zinzendorf established the Fetter Lane mission, he was convinced that the mysticism of the Jewish cabala—the esoteric reading of the Jewish holy books—could bring Jews and Christians as well as Catholics and Protestants together. His belief that followers of different faiths could unite in a common piety chimed in many ways with Masonic notions of universal brotherhood and a common belief in a Supreme Being, and it certainly resonated with the Rosicrucian ethos. His epiphany in Dusseldorf concerning Christ’s carnal nature seemed to prime him for cabalistic notions of what we can call “sexual metaphysics.” According to the cabalists, the unmanifest source of creation, in the Ein Sof, performed an act of love when “He” manifested his essence in the male and female emanations that make up the ten sephiroth, or “vessels,” of the Tree of Life...
[click back on wiki's Zohar to see an illustration of the so-called "tree of life"]
Lachman, Gary. Politics and the Occult : The Left, the Right, and the Radically Unseen (Wheaton, IL: Quest Books/Theosophical Pub. House, 2008) pp. 56-57.
p.56
Sexual Metaphysics
By the time Zinzendorf established the Fetter Lane mission, he was convinced that the mysticism of the Jewish cabala—the esoteric reading of the Jewish holy books—could bring Jews and Christians as well as Catholics and Protestants together. His belief that followers of different faiths could unite in a common piety chimed in many ways with Masonic notions of universal brotherhood and a common belief in a Supreme Being, and it certainly resonated with the Rosicrucian ethos. His epiphany in Dusseldorf concerning Christ’s carnal nature seemed to prime him for cabalistic notions of what we can call “sexual metaphysics.” According to the cabalists, the unmanifest source of creation, in the Ein Sof, performed an act of love when “He” manifested his essence in the male and female emanations that make up the ten sephiroth, or “vessels,” of the Tree of Life...
[click back on wiki's Zohar to see an illustration of the so-called "tree of life"]
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Re: Roots of the NAR and NOLR
by zone Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:48 pm
this part is offensive...have snipped it to the basics:
As in spiritual alchemy, for the cabala, in sexual union, the male and female overcome the rifts in the fallen world and achieve an ecstasy that echoes the original unity of being. Likewise, the climax of intercourse, when the male explodes into the female, echoes the Godhead’s original emanation of the sephiroth, which gave birth to the cosmos—a rather different take on the big bang. God himself has sex, the cabalists believe, in the cosmic lovemaking he enjoys with his Shekinah, his female emanation, Zinzendorf Christianized this cabalistic holy marriage and declared that the Holy Spirit was feminine, the Mother of Christ. Sex wasn’t sinful and degrading, as the Church preached; for the cabalists it was perhaps the most important part of religious life—provided, of course, that one’s spiritual intention, one’s kawanah, remained pure and didn’t sink into mere carnal satisfaction, an accusation that, understandably, Zinzendorf and his followers had to face on more than one occasion... end section
As in spiritual alchemy, for the cabala, in sexual union, the male and female overcome the rifts in the fallen world and achieve an ecstasy that echoes the original unity of being. Likewise, the climax of intercourse, when the male explodes into the female, echoes the Godhead’s original emanation of the sephiroth, which gave birth to the cosmos—a rather different take on the big bang. God himself has sex, the cabalists believe, in the cosmic lovemaking he enjoys with his Shekinah, his female emanation, Zinzendorf Christianized this cabalistic holy marriage and declared that the Holy Spirit was feminine, the Mother of Christ. Sex wasn’t sinful and degrading, as the Church preached; for the cabalists it was perhaps the most important part of religious life—provided, of course, that one’s spiritual intention, one’s kawanah, remained pure and didn’t sink into mere carnal satisfaction, an accusation that, understandably, Zinzendorf and his followers had to face on more than one occasion... end section
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Re: Roots of the NAR and NOLR
by zone Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:52 pm
There are consequences with Mike Bickle, Rick Joyner and the rest of the NOLR leaders modeling themselves after Rosicrucian leader Count von Zinzendorf and his vision for a utopian society in Moravian Falls.
There are numerous eyewitness testimonies from followers successfully escaping the occult trappings from the IHOP compound in Kansas City and the MorningStar Moravian compounds in North Carolina.
The adepts under the Christian Kabbalah mesmerizing spell are led to visualize themselves as being married to Christ, but upon further investigation, Tens of thousands of youth are being made formed into a “Bride” where the leaders are the “Bridegroom” in a magical act of psychical and sexual theurgy. They claim to hear directly from the Holy Spirit through their many apostles and prophets and undershepherds. If they really did, then the following questions demand answers:
1) If the Holy Spirit was really present at IHOP and MorningStar, then why didn’t He tell IHOP leaders Nick and Rebecca Candler to “Feed your baby!!!!”? Does Bickle play this off as some sort of “Test from God” or what? This act of starving their newborn baby Jeremiah was not only murder at IHOP, but also speaks volumes about the real spirit behind the entire NOLR/NAR movement. Because they continue to draw from their 17th century occult sources, we can only expect to see even more people die – both spiritually and physically – as time goes on. History shows this is the inevitable penalty for embracing the occult.
2) “As in spiritual alchemy, for the cabala, in sexual union, the male and female overcome the rifts in the fallen world and achieve an ecstasy that echoes the original unity of being.” If the Holy Spirit were really present at IHOP in Kansas City and other IHOP boiler room compounds around the country, why wasn’t there any prophetic warnings when Bob Jones sexually molested women in an attempt at sexual theurgy? Why didn’t IHOP and MorningStar’s Holy Spirit warn the congregants that Paul Cain, Reuven Doron, Todd Bentley and others were sexual deviates? Are you really convinced that these supposed “leaders” can be rehabilitated after Joyner tells them to go through a “restoration process” with “Apostle” Larry Alberts in Minneapolis and then afterwards to continue spreading their Spiritually Transferable Disease (STD) aka the “Anointing” to 1000s more youth all under the pretext of “Revival”??
3) What new “spiritual positions” will Bickle, Joyner, Haggard, Wagner, Sheets, Hamon, Jones, Cain, Jacobs, Cocking, Broocks, Murrell, Weiner, etc. engage their followers in with their ongoing quest toward the birth of the “Many-membered Manchild” from the quasi-sexual union between the “Corporate Christ” and their corporate “Bride Company”??
There are numerous eyewitness testimonies from followers successfully escaping the occult trappings from the IHOP compound in Kansas City and the MorningStar Moravian compounds in North Carolina.
The adepts under the Christian Kabbalah mesmerizing spell are led to visualize themselves as being married to Christ, but upon further investigation, Tens of thousands of youth are being made formed into a “Bride” where the leaders are the “Bridegroom” in a magical act of psychical and sexual theurgy. They claim to hear directly from the Holy Spirit through their many apostles and prophets and undershepherds. If they really did, then the following questions demand answers:
1) If the Holy Spirit was really present at IHOP and MorningStar, then why didn’t He tell IHOP leaders Nick and Rebecca Candler to “Feed your baby!!!!”? Does Bickle play this off as some sort of “Test from God” or what? This act of starving their newborn baby Jeremiah was not only murder at IHOP, but also speaks volumes about the real spirit behind the entire NOLR/NAR movement. Because they continue to draw from their 17th century occult sources, we can only expect to see even more people die – both spiritually and physically – as time goes on. History shows this is the inevitable penalty for embracing the occult.
2) “As in spiritual alchemy, for the cabala, in sexual union, the male and female overcome the rifts in the fallen world and achieve an ecstasy that echoes the original unity of being.” If the Holy Spirit were really present at IHOP in Kansas City and other IHOP boiler room compounds around the country, why wasn’t there any prophetic warnings when Bob Jones sexually molested women in an attempt at sexual theurgy? Why didn’t IHOP and MorningStar’s Holy Spirit warn the congregants that Paul Cain, Reuven Doron, Todd Bentley and others were sexual deviates? Are you really convinced that these supposed “leaders” can be rehabilitated after Joyner tells them to go through a “restoration process” with “Apostle” Larry Alberts in Minneapolis and then afterwards to continue spreading their Spiritually Transferable Disease (STD) aka the “Anointing” to 1000s more youth all under the pretext of “Revival”??
3) What new “spiritual positions” will Bickle, Joyner, Haggard, Wagner, Sheets, Hamon, Jones, Cain, Jacobs, Cocking, Broocks, Murrell, Weiner, etc. engage their followers in with their ongoing quest toward the birth of the “Many-membered Manchild” from the quasi-sexual union between the “Corporate Christ” and their corporate “Bride Company”??
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Re: Roots of the NAR and NOLR
by zone Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:00 pm
[PAUSE IN ARTICLE: INSERT EXAMPLE: MARK DRISCOLL - 'emergent church'
we know Driscoll started off as a professing Calvinist and cessationist. he left the reservation some time back...most recently he claims to be receiving direct revelation/visions from God about deviant sexual activity of christians and strangers....z]
A Pastor Speaks Up: Mark Driscoll and the New “Sexual Spirituality”
January 17th, 2009 | 
Author: Lighthouse Trails Editors
“One must wonder, with all the discussion going on about sex nowadays in the New Age/New Spiritual culture, and among Christians who take their cue from that “spirituality,” whether such prurient interests don’t indicate something deeper is going on that is devastating true spirituality in the church.–Pastor Larry DeBruyn
For those who are wondering why Lighthouse Trails is covering issues regarding “sexual spirituality,” we believe what is occurring with Mark Driscoll, Rob Bell (author of Sex God), and many others (including Focus on the Family’s marriage speaker, Gary Thomas) is a disguised version, perhaps at an infant stage, of New Age tantra (please see our article on tantra below).
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=577
we know Driscoll started off as a professing Calvinist and cessationist. he left the reservation some time back...most recently he claims to be receiving direct revelation/visions from God about deviant sexual activity of christians and strangers....z]
A Pastor Speaks Up: Mark Driscoll and the New “Sexual Spirituality”
January 17th, 2009 | Author: Lighthouse Trails Editors “One must wonder, with all the discussion going on about sex nowadays in the New Age/New Spiritual culture, and among Christians who take their cue from that “spirituality,” whether such prurient interests don’t indicate something deeper is going on that is devastating true spirituality in the church.–Pastor Larry DeBruyn
For those who are wondering why Lighthouse Trails is covering issues regarding “sexual spirituality,” we believe what is occurring with Mark Driscoll, Rob Bell (author of Sex God), and many others (including Focus on the Family’s marriage speaker, Gary Thomas) is a disguised version, perhaps at an infant stage, of New Age tantra (please see our article on tantra below).
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=577
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Re: Roots of the NAR and NOLR
by zone Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:05 pm
resuming:
Wisdom Sophia, the Zohar, Christian Kabbalah
From his booklet entitled, “Three Witnesses” Rick Joyner [NAR/Knight of Malta/Morningstar Ministries] writes:
“Without fanfare the Moravians possibly impacted history more during the past 500 years than any other single spiritual…force.....There are no memorials to the Moravians except an almost three hundred year old prayer tower that stands overlooking a much too filled cemetery at Herrnhut. Only Heaven knows the immeasurable fruit of their labors. One thing they did do was to spark a fire in the hearts of the then Christian Church to evangelize the world. It would take about fifty years before other denominations would begin to travel the well worn paths that the Moravians had cleared, finally answering the call of the ” GREAT COMMISSSION.”
From IHOP – KC Overview booklet, “Our Part in the Global Prayer Chain”:
http://www.fotb.com/Publisher/File.aspx?ID=1000011161
Wisdom Sophia, the Zohar, Christian Kabbalah
From his booklet entitled, “Three Witnesses” Rick Joyner [NAR/Knight of Malta/Morningstar Ministries] writes:
“Without fanfare the Moravians possibly impacted history more during the past 500 years than any other single spiritual…force.....There are no memorials to the Moravians except an almost three hundred year old prayer tower that stands overlooking a much too filled cemetery at Herrnhut. Only Heaven knows the immeasurable fruit of their labors. One thing they did do was to spark a fire in the hearts of the then Christian Church to evangelize the world. It would take about fifty years before other denominations would begin to travel the well worn paths that the Moravians had cleared, finally answering the call of the ” GREAT COMMISSSION.”
From IHOP – KC Overview booklet, “Our Part in the Global Prayer Chain”:
http://www.fotb.com/Publisher/File.aspx?ID=1000011161
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by zone Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:19 pm
AD 1727: COUNT ZINZENDORF AND THE MORAVIANS
Within two weeks of an unusual outpouring of the Holy Spirit, twenty-four men and twenty-four women covenanted to pray “hourly intercessions,” thus praying every hour around the clock. The community was committed to see that “the fire must be kept burning on the altar continuously; it must not go out” (Leviticus 6:13). This prayer meeting would go nonstop for the next one hundred years, and is seen by many as the spiritual power behind the impact that the Moravians had on the world.
Suggested Reading:
“When Visions Come Together”: The Kansas City Israel Mandate Conference
http://www.tikkunministries.org/newsletters/dj-jun04.asp
Lachman, Gary. Politics and the Occult : The Left, the Right, and the Radically Unseen (Wheaton, IL: Quest Books/Theosophical Pub. House, 2008).
Fogleman, Aaron Spencer. Jesus is Female : Moravians and the Challenge of Radical Religion in Early America, Early American Studies; (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 2007).
http://truthspeaker.wordpress.com/2009/09/19/wisdom-sophia-the-zohar-christian-kabbalah/
Within two weeks of an unusual outpouring of the Holy Spirit, twenty-four men and twenty-four women covenanted to pray “hourly intercessions,” thus praying every hour around the clock. The community was committed to see that “the fire must be kept burning on the altar continuously; it must not go out” (Leviticus 6:13). This prayer meeting would go nonstop for the next one hundred years, and is seen by many as the spiritual power behind the impact that the Moravians had on the world.
Suggested Reading:
“When Visions Come Together”: The Kansas City Israel Mandate Conference
http://www.tikkunministries.org/newsletters/dj-jun04.asp
Lachman, Gary. Politics and the Occult : The Left, the Right, and the Radically Unseen (Wheaton, IL: Quest Books/Theosophical Pub. House, 2008).
Fogleman, Aaron Spencer. Jesus is Female : Moravians and the Challenge of Radical Religion in Early America, Early American Studies; (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 2007).
http://truthspeaker.wordpress.com/2009/09/19/wisdom-sophia-the-zohar-christian-kabbalah/
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Re: Roots of the NAR and NOLR
by zone Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:21 pm
"When Visions Come Together"
The Kansas City Israel Mandate Conference
| Dr Daniel Juster, Director |
The Kansas City International House of Prayer (IHOP), is a prayer community of about five hundred, many of them young people, who live in Kansas City and are committed to maintaining prayer 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. They are reminiscent of the famous community in Hernhutt, Germany, under Ludwig Von Zinzendorf in the 18th century. (That prayer outpouring launched the modern missions movement.)
Twenty-one years ago on March 7, 1983, Bob Jones prophesied to Mike Bickle of a future House of Prayer in Kansas City, and of a coming global youth prayer movement in the spirit of the tabernacle of David, to be directed towards the nation of Israel. This prophetic word is beginning to come to pass as IHOP has continued in non-stop prayer and worship for the last 5 years. in 2003, the Israel Mandate was birthed and since then, prayer for Israel has been a major focus in their prayer meetings.
The International House of Prayer in Kansas City hosted their first annual Israel Mandate conference on March 7-13th, 2004. Centered around the holiday of Purim, the call went out to churches and ministries internationally to mobilize fervent prayer and fasting for the salvation of the Jewish people and to make a commitment to support the Messianic Jewish ministries that are building the kingdom of God in Israel......
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by zone Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:25 pm
...Mike told the most amazing story of how the Israel mandate was given by God and became one of the seven pillars of the fellowship in Kansas City. Even the choice of Kansas City to carry an Israel mandate was not an accident.
This city was the childhood home of President Harry Truman. Truman gave vital support in the UN vote for the establishment of the state of Israel, contrary to the counsel of his Secretary of State, George Marshall.
Mike Bickle and I became friends and began to correspond starting in 1989 on issues of the ministry of the Holy Spirit, apostolic-prophetic ministry, the end times, the unity of the church, and the restoration of Israel. It was during this time that Mike became convinced of the need to join with Tikkun to truly undertake the Israel mandate. The 2004 Israel Mandate conference marked 21 years to the day from the time that first Bob Jones' prophecy was given to Mike Bickle. Over the years, many people have asked Mike why he had not done something about the "Israel mandate" part of the prophecy, and all he could say was, "God has not told me yet what to do." But now is the time for this vision to come to pass.
This city was the childhood home of President Harry Truman. Truman gave vital support in the UN vote for the establishment of the state of Israel, contrary to the counsel of his Secretary of State, George Marshall.
Mike Bickle and I became friends and began to correspond starting in 1989 on issues of the ministry of the Holy Spirit, apostolic-prophetic ministry, the end times, the unity of the church, and the restoration of Israel. It was during this time that Mike became convinced of the need to join with Tikkun to truly undertake the Israel mandate. The 2004 Israel Mandate conference marked 21 years to the day from the time that first Bob Jones' prophecy was given to Mike Bickle. Over the years, many people have asked Mike why he had not done something about the "Israel mandate" part of the prophecy, and all he could say was, "God has not told me yet what to do." But now is the time for this vision to come to pass.
That was part of the stirring message given by Don Finto, who spoke of those special times when the promise of God and the timing of God intersect. Jim Goll also spoke of the coming together, or "confluence" of prophetic streams.
At the conference, significant teaching was released by Israeli and American leaders. There were times of deep worship lead by Rachel and Avner Boskey, Robert Stearns and the IHOP-KC worship teams.
Over 1,000 guests showed up for the conference over and above the local IHOP community, which made for an overflow situation, so that many of the locals had to give up their places at the conference. Our thanks go to the local volunteers who put a lot of effort into arranging the conference. Our friend Mike Frank has taken responsibility to oversee the IHOP Israel mandate in the coming years.
Mike Bickle gave an urgent call to the western Gentile church to understand the end-time significance of Israel and the importance of prayer, fasting and commitment to stand with God's purposes for Israel. Based on Romans 11:20-33, he shared revelation about the coming apostasy (falling away) of the church due to ignorance of the mystery of Israel, under the pressure and persecution that is coming. There was a strong warning against deception and distractions that are preventing Christians from praying God's will and being prepared for end-times trouble....
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Asher's evening message spoke of seeing Yeshua as the King of Israel coming back to take dominion over the earth. Many were impacted with new revelation, relationships and deep insight into the realities of life and ministry in Israel. The young adults were particularly impassioned by Ayal Frieden's message on youth evangelism to visit and serve in Israel.
The conference ended with a deep, symbolic marriage of covenant friendship between the Jewish and Gentile leadership present, inspiring full-scale "wedding" worship celebration by all present. This relationship speaks of the unity of the Church and Israel, as well as the covenant of cooperation between Tikkun and IHOP.
The IHOP-KC community has a commitment to make the establishment of the Messianic Jewish Body in Israel a top priority in prayer. They will pray for us. This was a conference worth waiting for. There was great worship, preaching, prophetic power and practical commitment. May God bring many more into such commitments for the restoration of the Church and the salvation of Israel. This restoration will lead to the redemption of the World. The two communities have received the same vision and understanding of the word. These visions are now coming together. When people with common vision come together, great things happen.
The full series of tapes and DVDs can be ordered at the Kansas City bookstore at www.fotb.com or (816) 763-0200.
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Apostolic-Prophetic Movement
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The Apostolic-Prophetic Movement in Charismatic Christianity is seen by its participants as a restoration of the neglected elements of the Five-Fold Ministry described in the New Testament book of Ephesians, "some apostles, and some prophets; and some evangelists; and some pastors and teachers; for the equipping of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the building up of the body of Christ". This movement is rooted in the Third Wave Charismatic or Pentecostal experience.
This movement is Primitivist, in that it defers more to the authority of original documents and doctrines than to the later developments and elaborations transmitted by the authorities of the Catholic and Orthodox churches. It may also be associated with primitivism inasmuch as outsiders interpret prophetic interpretation. Prophecy has been a part of Pentecostal and Charismatic Christian practice, more notably during times of revival in the Body of Christ; for example the Kimbanguist Church in Belgian Congo began with vigor in the 1920s and flourished through 40 years of rigorous, often violent, suppression.
Kansas City Prophets
Some of those who shaped the current Apostolic-Prophetic Movement in the United States were based in Kansas City, Missouri and became known as the "Kansas City Prophets". Members of this group were Bill Hamon, Rick Joyner, Paul Cain, Bob Jones, Mike Bickle, James Goll, John Paul Jackson, and Lou Engle. Cain had participated in the Voice of Healing Revival initiated by William Branham during the 1950s. The Kansas City Prophets continue to be active in ministry throughout North America and are often seen and heard as speakers at charismatic Christian conferences and meetings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City_Prophets#Kansas_City_Prophets
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The Apostolic-Prophetic Movement in Charismatic Christianity is seen by its participants as a restoration of the neglected elements of the Five-Fold Ministry described in the New Testament book of Ephesians, "some apostles, and some prophets; and some evangelists; and some pastors and teachers; for the equipping of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the building up of the body of Christ". This movement is rooted in the Third Wave Charismatic or Pentecostal experience.
This movement is Primitivist, in that it defers more to the authority of original documents and doctrines than to the later developments and elaborations transmitted by the authorities of the Catholic and Orthodox churches. It may also be associated with primitivism inasmuch as outsiders interpret prophetic interpretation. Prophecy has been a part of Pentecostal and Charismatic Christian practice, more notably during times of revival in the Body of Christ; for example the Kimbanguist Church in Belgian Congo began with vigor in the 1920s and flourished through 40 years of rigorous, often violent, suppression.
Kansas City Prophets
Some of those who shaped the current Apostolic-Prophetic Movement in the United States were based in Kansas City, Missouri and became known as the "Kansas City Prophets". Members of this group were Bill Hamon, Rick Joyner, Paul Cain, Bob Jones, Mike Bickle, James Goll, John Paul Jackson, and Lou Engle. Cain had participated in the Voice of Healing Revival initiated by William Branham during the 1950s. The Kansas City Prophets continue to be active in ministry throughout North America and are often seen and heard as speakers at charismatic Christian conferences and meetings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City_Prophets#Kansas_City_Prophets
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Third Wave of the Holy Spirit
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The Third Wave of the Holy Spirit is a Christian theological theory first introduced by C. Peter Wagner to describe what he believed to be three historical periods of the activity of the Holy Spirit in the 20th century and beyond. In his 1988 book, The Third Wave of the Holy Spirit: Encountering the Power of Signs and Wonders Today, Wagner defines the three waves as follows:
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The Third Wave of the Holy Spirit is a Christian theological theory first introduced by C. Peter Wagner to describe what he believed to be three historical periods of the activity of the Holy Spirit in the 20th century and beyond. In his 1988 book, The Third Wave of the Holy Spirit: Encountering the Power of Signs and Wonders Today, Wagner defines the three waves as follows:
- The first wave at the beginning of the twentieth century with the rise of the Pentecostal movement, beginning with the Azusa Street Revival;
- A second wave during the 1960s as the Charismatic movement spread throughout some Protestant denominations, as well as the Roman Catholic Church; and
- A third wave during the mid 1980s.[1]
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Wave_of_the_Holy_Spirit
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Jane Leade & The Philadelphian Society
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Roots of the NAR and NOLR: Jane Leade & The Philadelphian Society
The NAR’s Fairy Godmother? Jane Leade & The Philadelphian Society
“[The New Apostolic Reformation] belief that “God is restoring the office of Apostles and Prophets.” … can be traced to the “1679 Prophecy” by the occult Christian Kabbalist sect called the Philadelphian Society. The Philadelphians believed in the Kabbalah doctrine of “Gilgul” or the Transmigration of souls.
They believed that the souls of ancient Israel would reincarnate into their genetic descendants, which include to souls of the *original* apostles and prophets.
Mike Bickle, Bob Weiner, John Wimber, Bill Hamon, Rick Joyner, C. Peter Wagner and all the many Latter Rain “Apostles and Prophets” get their “Apostolic Authority” through doctrines of reincarnation and it is because of this that *ALL* of the Latter Rain “Apostles and Prophets” can be rightly labeled “occult” in both senses of the word i.e. 1) hidden and 2) inherently evil.....
The NAR’s Fairy Godmother? Jane Leade & The Philadelphian Society
“[The New Apostolic Reformation] belief that “God is restoring the office of Apostles and Prophets.” … can be traced to the “1679 Prophecy” by the occult Christian Kabbalist sect called the Philadelphian Society. The Philadelphians believed in the Kabbalah doctrine of “Gilgul” or the Transmigration of souls.
They believed that the souls of ancient Israel would reincarnate into their genetic descendants, which include to souls of the *original* apostles and prophets.
Mike Bickle, Bob Weiner, John Wimber, Bill Hamon, Rick Joyner, C. Peter Wagner and all the many Latter Rain “Apostles and Prophets” get their “Apostolic Authority” through doctrines of reincarnation and it is because of this that *ALL* of the Latter Rain “Apostles and Prophets” can be rightly labeled “occult” in both senses of the word i.e. 1) hidden and 2) inherently evil.....
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...Classic Latter Rain doctrine, including fasting [is propogated through IHOP]. The young IHOP participants/members are indoctrinated and then “married to Jesus” en masse through Bridal Mysticism rites carried out in their large and frequent gatherings named “The Call”, “OneThing”, “Friends of the Bridegroom FOTB” Prophetic and apostolic training.
What Bickle, Joyner and the rest of the Latter Rain leaders are quite about is that they believe they are the “Corporate Christ” or “Many-Membered Manchild” and that the 10s of 1000s of youth who have already gone under the “Bridal Canopy” to be “Married to Jesus” have unwittingly been theosophically tricked into marrying the leaders themselves!!!! Now you know what these people really mean by “elected-seed.”
Just like the classic Greek Mystery Schools of old, including Freemasonry, Rosicrucians and Mormons, the New Apostolic Reformation NAR needs warm bodies to carry forth their New World Order NWO and they are duping an entire generation with classic Christian Kabbalah doctrines and practices....
What Bickle, Joyner and the rest of the Latter Rain leaders are quite about is that they believe they are the “Corporate Christ” or “Many-Membered Manchild” and that the 10s of 1000s of youth who have already gone under the “Bridal Canopy” to be “Married to Jesus” have unwittingly been theosophically tricked into marrying the leaders themselves!!!! Now you know what these people really mean by “elected-seed.”
Just like the classic Greek Mystery Schools of old, including Freemasonry, Rosicrucians and Mormons, the New Apostolic Reformation NAR needs warm bodies to carry forth their New World Order NWO and they are duping an entire generation with classic Christian Kabbalah doctrines and practices....
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I will give a bit more info to clarify what I stated using the lens of chronology and language of the New Order of the Latter Rain Revival of 1947-1953 that became what C. Peter Wagner et al. repackaged today the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) led by the Int’l Coalition of Apostles. BTW, I must say that these people have laid down a framework and are intentionally moving in a direction that mirrors that of their Philadelphian Society (PS) predecessors. I am seeing this from the vantage point of history. All on has to do to see this is to go to a Big Ten campus library that has the Eighteenth Century Online (ECO) database and download the PDFs of two PS documents. There are many more that expose the history of the PS, but the following two are a good primer to see how it all relates using their own words:
I will give a bit more info to clarify what I stated using the lens of chronology and language of the New Order of the Latter Rain Revival of 1947-1953 that became what C. Peter Wagner et al. repackaged today the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) led by the Int’l Coalition of Apostles. BTW, I must say that these people have laid down a framework and are intentionally moving in a direction that mirrors that of their Philadelphian Society (PS) predecessors. I am seeing this from the vantage point of history. All on has to do to see this is to go to a Big Ten campus library that has the Eighteenth Century Online (ECO) database and download the PDFs of two PS documents. There are many more that expose the history of the PS, but the following two are a good primer to see how it all relates using their own words:
Roach, Richard. The Great Crisis: or, The Mystery of the Times and Seasons Unfolded; With Relation to The late Disorder and Confusion of the Seasons of the Year, and other SIGNS of the Times. With Considerations and Observations, tending to better Understanding the Wisdom of Providence in the Order of the Ages; and as couch’d in the Prophetick Schemes and Emblems : AND Some Calculations of the Numbers of Time, as pointing out the Introduction of the Blessed Age, or Great Sabbath of the World. (London: printed and sold by N. Blandford, 1725, 1727).
“A further Care in the Divided Parties, as such, will be, to remove all Stumbling-blocks, and occasions of Offence out of the Way of their Brethren, to stand Loose to all their Particulars Forms as such, and ready to run into the Embrace of each other, and Combine together into the Unity of That Church, which is to be wholly Re-form’d and Establish’d by the Spirit in a Second Pentecostal Effusion, or rather Profusion of the Latter and Harvest Rains, (with Relation to Church Time at Large;) which are to Increase and abound, and that without Cessation, till they have overflow’d the whole Earth.” p.87.
Roach, Richard, 1662-1730. The Imperial Standard of Messiah Triumphant; Coming Now in the Power, and Kingdom of His Father, To Reign with his Saints on Earth. By R. Roach, B.D. (London: Printed and Sold by N. Blandford, at the London Gazette, Charing Cross: and to be had at the sign of the Peruke next the White Horse Inn, in Fleet-Street, 1727).
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SEE IT?
“A further Care in the Divided Parties, as such, will be, to remove all Stumbling-blocks, and occasions of Offence out of the Way of their Brethren, to stand Loose to all their Particulars Forms as such, and ready to run into the Embrace of each other, and Combine together into the Unity of That Church, which is to be wholly Re-form’d and Establish’d by the Spirit in a Second Pentecostal Effusion, or rather Profusion of the Latter and Harvest Rains, (with Relation to Church Time at Large;) which are to Increase and abound, and that without Cessation, till they have overflow’d the whole Earth.” p.87.
“A further Care in the Divided Parties, as such, will be, to remove all Stumbling-blocks, and occasions of Offence out of the Way of their Brethren, to stand Loose to all their Particulars Forms as such, and ready to run into the Embrace of each other, and Combine together into the Unity of That Church, which is to be wholly Re-form’d and Establish’d by the Spirit in a Second Pentecostal Effusion, or rather Profusion of the Latter and Harvest Rains, (with Relation to Church Time at Large;) which are to Increase and abound, and that without Cessation, till they have overflow’d the whole Earth.” p.87.
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....Starting my research into the NOLR in 1999, my curiosity of the peculiar language and meaning of terms led me to the hypotheses that somehow the leaders had tapped into the Philadelphian Society writings. Since becoming a Christian in 1975 starting with the Charismatic movement, I’d never heard phrases like, “Manifest Sons of God”, “Corporate Christ”, “Elected-Seed Generation”, “Many-Membered Manchild” etc. etc. Mike Bickle is only one leader of many who have promoted teachings using these terms for well over 20-years. I mean really, you don’t have to go to Harvard to see YouTube videos showing Mike Bickle and his Kansas City Prophet buddies Paul Cain and Bob Jones.
Prayer for Bob Jones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2HX0Vn6G8I
Excerpt from Ernie Gruen’s Report on Bickle’s Grace Ministries in 1990
http://www.intotruth.org/kcp/Abberent%20Practises.pdf:
Prayer for Bob Jones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2HX0Vn6G8I
Excerpt from Ernie Gruen’s Report on Bickle’s Grace Ministries in 1990
http://www.intotruth.org/kcp/Abberent%20Practises.pdf:
“I’m going to live to see this, friends, I really believe it. If I can get through this message.. . If you have intimacy with God, they can’t kill you. They just can’t.” (Paul Cain) p.13
CITYWIDE BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION FOR BOB JONES, FEBRUARY 4, 1990. From Advertisement:
Bob Jones (BJ): “Everyone that God has–the Father has called, go under the Shepherd’s rod. As Paul Cain (PC) said, ‘You go under it once a year.’ And I got all the scriptures…
“Yep, it’s all in Scripture. When you go under it, He just turns you upside down and He looks every place on your body. And if you be found alright, He marks you to be sacrificed as a living, holy sacrifice unto Him. One out of ten is marked totally unto the Lord. That’s a Shepherd’ a rod.” (F89, p. 7 – 8] p.89.
Mike Bickle glorifying Bob Jones:
“We also invite you to join us at KCF’s Grandview Worship Center at 6:00 p.m., February 4, for a special birthday celebration of Bob Jones’ 60th birthday. John Wimber and Paul Cain will be special quests at this evening.” p.95.
As mentioned previously, it is also an annual event for Mike to interview Bob Jones for hours upon hours regarding his visions and mystical experiences....
MB: “…But Bob Jones comes again and says, ‘One of my missions in this whole supernatural thing is to convince you it’s real…things won’t be secure until you believe that. You’ll be prone to do this or that or the other that will end up being contrary to this movement if you do not understand that something more than a local fellowship is being birthed…’ And the Lord speaks to us and says, ‘Repentance.’ And He speaks audibly to Bob Jones Psalms 130, that He’d
forgiven us.” (OPH, p. 11, 19)
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Mike Bickle exalting mystical experiences:
MB: “So a period of time left, and he (Bob Jones) comes back to his body and he’s standing–well, he’s not in his body, it’s kind of like Howard Pitman, he’s still hovering over his body in the room, just like anybody who has an out-of-body experience like that. . .And it’s amazing, almost anybody with a true prophetic ministry is, that’s going to be of a high level, has had visitations in their childhood that were staggering… (P.His 2, p. 6) p. 99-100.
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Bickle, Jones and Cain on the “Elected-Seed Generation”:
PROPHETS AND PROPHESYING
Mike Bickle and Kansas City Fellowship’ s promotion of the prophetic ministry and so-called “prophets” is fraught with error and deception. It is damaging to the lives of many individuals, and spiritually dangerous.
A. THE COMMON REVELATION of the so-called “prophets” of Kansas City Fellowship is that KCF is the start of an end-time ‘new breed” generation that these prophets have seen in visions and revelations before coming to KCF.
1. KCF’S “CHIEF PROPHETS” ALL PROCLAIM THE KCF END-TIME GENERATION.
PROPHETS AND PROPHESYING
Mike Bickle and Kansas City Fellowship’ s promotion of the prophetic ministry and so-called “prophets” is fraught with error and deception. It is damaging to the lives of many individuals, and spiritually dangerous.
A. THE COMMON REVELATION of the so-called “prophets” of Kansas City Fellowship is that KCF is the start of an end-time ‘new breed” generation that these prophets have seen in visions and revelations before coming to KCF.
1. KCF’S “CHIEF PROPHETS” ALL PROCLAIM THE KCF END-TIME GENERATION.
MB: “But Bob and John Paul and Paul Cain and others have seen a generation not where there’d be a 2-year anointing, but the spirit would be a permanent abiding of the Spirit in the anointing of God in a pure way…” (VM, p. 4) p.116
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So where do these people get this peculiar terminology and what do they mean?
After doing a word search, I discovered that the terminology and meaning stem from the writings of the Philadelphian Society. This was around 2001. But, I had to eliminate accusations of the “Genetic Fallacy” and/or cries of “Guilt by Association” but how? I decided to contact the original leaders of the 1948-1953 North Battleford Revival (if they were still alive…). Here’s the three major proofs I came up with:
1) I wrote George H. Warnock an open letter regarding Jacob Boehme and Jane Lead. His written response was that he never heard of Jacob Boehme but he became familiar with the writings of Jane Lead and he believed they were prophetic for the End Times church. So far I’m batting a 1000, but I’m getting creeped out bigtime. I ask God, “What have I discovered? What is this stuff?”
2) I discovered that Benny Hinn and his brothers Henry and Sam are also Latter Rain by virtue of their writings and language. This was 2002. Another early leader was George Robert Hawtin, one of the original “Sharon Brethren” in North Battleford. Though he died sometime in the 90s, he had a newsletter called The Page from about 1962-1984. One of his followers republished the articles as a 34-volume set that were at one time free for the asking.
Volume 9 contains extensive quotes from Jacob Boehme and the infamous “1619 Prophecy” attributed to an unknown prophet. The reason Hawtin didn’t know this was from Jane Lead was because by the time he was given a copy of this prophetic declaration, the “7″ was mistranslated as a “1″ and since Lead was born in 1623, it couldn’t have been written by her, or so they thought until the error was discovered some years later. BTW, this prophecy came down from the effects of an English freemason-turned-evangelist name Charles Sydney Price.
3) After the original Canadian-based Latter Rain Revival waned down around 1952-53, it splintered as most movements do. A minister named John Robert Stevens in rebellion to God’s warning, continued the NOLR teachings and formed the Church of the Living Word (CLW).
They published an extraordinary amount of Latter Rain teachings in the form of teaching tapes and booklets before Stevens died in 1983.
Many of Steven’s disciples back in the 70s and 80s are today’s NAR leaders.
Bob and Rose Weiner, Rick Joyner, Francis Frangipane, etc. all came out of the CLW aka “The Walk.” One of Stevens’ “Apostles” was Royal DeWayne Cronquist (1929-1998]. Cronquist laid hands to “impart the anointing” into Bob Weiner’s mind and body on Thanksgiving Day 1967 –five years before he started Maranatha in 1972. Just a few years later, Weiner linked up with the Fab 5 i.e. Mumford, Simpson, Basham, Baxter, Prince and spiritually, economically, and psychologically force-raped 10s of 1000s of college students by using the Fab 5’s religious scheme of “Discipleship/Shepherding.”
After doing a word search, I discovered that the terminology and meaning stem from the writings of the Philadelphian Society. This was around 2001. But, I had to eliminate accusations of the “Genetic Fallacy” and/or cries of “Guilt by Association” but how? I decided to contact the original leaders of the 1948-1953 North Battleford Revival (if they were still alive…). Here’s the three major proofs I came up with:
1) I wrote George H. Warnock an open letter regarding Jacob Boehme and Jane Lead. His written response was that he never heard of Jacob Boehme but he became familiar with the writings of Jane Lead and he believed they were prophetic for the End Times church. So far I’m batting a 1000, but I’m getting creeped out bigtime. I ask God, “What have I discovered? What is this stuff?”
2) I discovered that Benny Hinn and his brothers Henry and Sam are also Latter Rain by virtue of their writings and language. This was 2002. Another early leader was George Robert Hawtin, one of the original “Sharon Brethren” in North Battleford. Though he died sometime in the 90s, he had a newsletter called The Page from about 1962-1984. One of his followers republished the articles as a 34-volume set that were at one time free for the asking.
Volume 9 contains extensive quotes from Jacob Boehme and the infamous “1619 Prophecy” attributed to an unknown prophet. The reason Hawtin didn’t know this was from Jane Lead was because by the time he was given a copy of this prophetic declaration, the “7″ was mistranslated as a “1″ and since Lead was born in 1623, it couldn’t have been written by her, or so they thought until the error was discovered some years later. BTW, this prophecy came down from the effects of an English freemason-turned-evangelist name Charles Sydney Price.
3) After the original Canadian-based Latter Rain Revival waned down around 1952-53, it splintered as most movements do. A minister named John Robert Stevens in rebellion to God’s warning, continued the NOLR teachings and formed the Church of the Living Word (CLW).
They published an extraordinary amount of Latter Rain teachings in the form of teaching tapes and booklets before Stevens died in 1983.
Many of Steven’s disciples back in the 70s and 80s are today’s NAR leaders.
Bob and Rose Weiner, Rick Joyner, Francis Frangipane, etc. all came out of the CLW aka “The Walk.” One of Stevens’ “Apostles” was Royal DeWayne Cronquist (1929-1998]. Cronquist laid hands to “impart the anointing” into Bob Weiner’s mind and body on Thanksgiving Day 1967 –five years before he started Maranatha in 1972. Just a few years later, Weiner linked up with the Fab 5 i.e. Mumford, Simpson, Basham, Baxter, Prince and spiritually, economically, and psychologically force-raped 10s of 1000s of college students by using the Fab 5’s religious scheme of “Discipleship/Shepherding.”
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[PAUSE: simplified history and a personal testimony from someone who was in the movement]
Four Movements
Don Matzat
Four movements from the past
Pastors today find themselves being drawn in a variety of directions. There are numerous movements and ideologies hankering for attention. Being a pastor today in a confessional denomination is not easy. The questions are many: Should I embrace the Church Growth Movement? Should I send my men to Promise Keepers? Should I incorporate contemporary music into my worship service? Should I adopt some of the methods of psychology? Should I be more seeker-sensitive and give people what they want?
The problem is further com-pounded by the fact that pastors who have embraced these various movements readily proselytize for the movements. Church Growth pastors promote the Church Growth Movement. Charismatics want to make more Charismatics. Promise-keeping pastors are sold on the movement. They want their fellow-pastors to experience what they have experienced.
Of course, many voices are raised on the other side of the fence, warning of the dangers, distortions and bad theology. So the pastor asks, "To whom should I listen? Whose advice should I follow?"
Allow me to offer to you some advice. Do your own homework!
Every movement and emphasis in the church today is rooted in a movement and theology that emerged in the past. Nothing comes from nothing. Only as we understand the movements of the past can we properly discern their offspring. In addition, we can predict that the theological distortions of the "parents" will be seen in their "offspring."
I will briefly share with you some of the tenets of four movements that have emerged in American Christianity. I will also include some additional sources for further research.
1. Evangelical Revivalism
One cannot understand decision theology, holiness teaching, Pentecostalism, or, for that matter, the Promise Keepers without understanding Revivalism.
Revivalism emerged in the middle of the nineteenth century in what has been called the Second Great Awakening. Under the leadership of Charles Grandison Finney, an eastern lawyer with no theological training, "new measures" were developed to produce on-going revival. Finney taught that conversion was an act of the human will. The unbeliever had to be educated, motivated, and moved by emotions to choose to live a holy life.
Finney was a heretic who rejected the doctrine of original sin, the vicarious atonement, and the imputation of the righteousness of Christ to the believer.
Resources:
Iain Murray, Revival and Revivalism, (Edinburgh: The Banner of Truth Trust, 1994).
Michael Horton, Made in America, (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1991).
2. Neo-Evangelicalism
Out of reaction to Fundamentalism, the new Evangelicals emerged in the 40’s. Neo-Evangelicalism sought to reach the culture with the Gospel. The National Association of Evangelicals was formed in 1940. Christianity Today became the evangelical answer to The Christian Century. Fuller Theological Seminary trained the new evangelical pastor. Time magazine declared 1976 as the "Year of the Evangelicals."
Over the past twenty years it has become clear that Evangelicalism, rather than influencing the culture, has widely embraced the culture and does theology with a view to the culture. Thus, we have the Church Growth Movement, "seeker sensitivity," contemporary Christian worship and music, Christian publishing, radio and television, the Religious Right, the psychology of self-esteem, Willow Creek etc. In Richard Niebuhr’s paradigm, it is "culture over Christ."
Many of the theologians of neo-evangelicalism have minimized the truth of human sin, blood-bought redemption, and the doctrine of eternal punishment since these concepts are not appealing to the culture.
Resources:
David Wells, No Place for Truth, (Grand Rapids: Eerdmanns, 1992).
Michael Horton, Beyond Culture Wars, (Chicago: Moody Press, 1994)
Modern Reformation magazine
3. Latter Rain Movement
Emerging in 1948 in North Battleford, Saskatchewan among the Sharon Brethren Pentecostals, the Latter Rain Movement has widely influenced both Charismatics and Evangelicals. In fact, Charismatic theology including the definition of the charismata, the use of speaking and singing in tongues, the practice of laying on hands for the "baptism in the Spirit," the idea that Christians can be demon-possessed is Latter Rain teaching.
The "signs and wonders ministry" of the Jesus-only heretic and occultist William Branham was the primary influence behind the Latter Rain Movement.
Built on the notion that there will be a great end-time restoration called the Latter Rain (Pentecost being the "early rain"), the movement promoted the restoration of all the supernatural gifts of the Spirit and New Testament authority exercised through modern apostles and prophets. C. Peter Wagner is one of the present leaders of this movement.
The Latter Rain Movement was condemned by the Pentecostal Assemblies of God as heresy in 1959. The teachings were kept alive through Demos Shakarian and the Full Gospel Businessmen’s Fellowships and resurfaced in the 1960’s as the Charismatic Movement. The Vineyard Fellowships, the "Toronto Blessing," and the Pensacola Revival are all Latter Rain influenced, even though the leaders will not admit it since the LRM was heretical.
Latter Rain teachers promoted the restoration of "Davidic Tabernacle Worship." Services began with the emotional, repeated singing of praise choruses whereby the assembly came into the presence of God (or brought God into the assembly). This has become the format of typical Charismatic gatherings and has even influenced some "Lutheran" contemporary worship services.
Resources:
Michael G. Moriarity, The New Charismatics, (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1992)
4. Postmodernism
Postmodernist thinkers reject the role of reason and the validity of absolute truth claims. In so doing, they have become champions of the irrational. They refute themselves. They fill books with propositions against propositionalism. With many words they promote the deconstruction of words. They cut their own throats!
Postmodernist theologians suggest a Biblical hermeneutic that rejects the objective truth of Scripture. It is only truth from the perspective of the reader who filters the Biblical content through his own thought process. Of course, if you apply the same hermeneutic to the theologians who promote it, you have no reason to buy nor read their books. After all, they are only presenting their perspectives. Who cares?
The ecclesiastical promoters of the postmodern philosophy seek a "kinder and gentler" relativism, producing the distorted notion that we should speak truth without refuting error, or "do dogmatics without polemics." Truth is only "our truth." The fact is, if there is no error worth refuting, there is no truth worth promoting.
I agree. Postmodern thinkers do reject reason. They demonstrate it by what they write.
Resources:
Gene Edward Veith, Postmodern Times, (Wheaton: Crossway Books, 1994.)
David McCallum, The Death of Truth, (Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1996)
Henry Knight, A Future for Truth, (Nashville: Abingdon, 1997)
James W. Voelz, What Does this Mean? (St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1995).
Conclusion:
I wasted fifteen years in the Charismatic Movement because I jumped in without doing research. Don’t make the same mistake!
http://www.mtio.com/articles/aissar108.htm
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Four Movements
Don Matzat
Four movements from the past
Pastors today find themselves being drawn in a variety of directions. There are numerous movements and ideologies hankering for attention. Being a pastor today in a confessional denomination is not easy. The questions are many: Should I embrace the Church Growth Movement? Should I send my men to Promise Keepers? Should I incorporate contemporary music into my worship service? Should I adopt some of the methods of psychology? Should I be more seeker-sensitive and give people what they want?
The problem is further com-pounded by the fact that pastors who have embraced these various movements readily proselytize for the movements. Church Growth pastors promote the Church Growth Movement. Charismatics want to make more Charismatics. Promise-keeping pastors are sold on the movement. They want their fellow-pastors to experience what they have experienced.
Of course, many voices are raised on the other side of the fence, warning of the dangers, distortions and bad theology. So the pastor asks, "To whom should I listen? Whose advice should I follow?"
Allow me to offer to you some advice. Do your own homework!
Every movement and emphasis in the church today is rooted in a movement and theology that emerged in the past. Nothing comes from nothing. Only as we understand the movements of the past can we properly discern their offspring. In addition, we can predict that the theological distortions of the "parents" will be seen in their "offspring."
I will briefly share with you some of the tenets of four movements that have emerged in American Christianity. I will also include some additional sources for further research.
1. Evangelical Revivalism
One cannot understand decision theology, holiness teaching, Pentecostalism, or, for that matter, the Promise Keepers without understanding Revivalism.
Revivalism emerged in the middle of the nineteenth century in what has been called the Second Great Awakening. Under the leadership of Charles Grandison Finney, an eastern lawyer with no theological training, "new measures" were developed to produce on-going revival. Finney taught that conversion was an act of the human will. The unbeliever had to be educated, motivated, and moved by emotions to choose to live a holy life.
Finney was a heretic who rejected the doctrine of original sin, the vicarious atonement, and the imputation of the righteousness of Christ to the believer.
Resources:
Iain Murray, Revival and Revivalism, (Edinburgh: The Banner of Truth Trust, 1994).
Michael Horton, Made in America, (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1991).
2. Neo-Evangelicalism
Out of reaction to Fundamentalism, the new Evangelicals emerged in the 40’s. Neo-Evangelicalism sought to reach the culture with the Gospel. The National Association of Evangelicals was formed in 1940. Christianity Today became the evangelical answer to The Christian Century. Fuller Theological Seminary trained the new evangelical pastor. Time magazine declared 1976 as the "Year of the Evangelicals."
Over the past twenty years it has become clear that Evangelicalism, rather than influencing the culture, has widely embraced the culture and does theology with a view to the culture. Thus, we have the Church Growth Movement, "seeker sensitivity," contemporary Christian worship and music, Christian publishing, radio and television, the Religious Right, the psychology of self-esteem, Willow Creek etc. In Richard Niebuhr’s paradigm, it is "culture over Christ."
Many of the theologians of neo-evangelicalism have minimized the truth of human sin, blood-bought redemption, and the doctrine of eternal punishment since these concepts are not appealing to the culture.
Resources:
David Wells, No Place for Truth, (Grand Rapids: Eerdmanns, 1992).
Michael Horton, Beyond Culture Wars, (Chicago: Moody Press, 1994)
Modern Reformation magazine
3. Latter Rain Movement
Emerging in 1948 in North Battleford, Saskatchewan among the Sharon Brethren Pentecostals, the Latter Rain Movement has widely influenced both Charismatics and Evangelicals. In fact, Charismatic theology including the definition of the charismata, the use of speaking and singing in tongues, the practice of laying on hands for the "baptism in the Spirit," the idea that Christians can be demon-possessed is Latter Rain teaching.
The "signs and wonders ministry" of the Jesus-only heretic and occultist William Branham was the primary influence behind the Latter Rain Movement.
Built on the notion that there will be a great end-time restoration called the Latter Rain (Pentecost being the "early rain"), the movement promoted the restoration of all the supernatural gifts of the Spirit and New Testament authority exercised through modern apostles and prophets. C. Peter Wagner is one of the present leaders of this movement.
The Latter Rain Movement was condemned by the Pentecostal Assemblies of God as heresy in 1959. The teachings were kept alive through Demos Shakarian and the Full Gospel Businessmen’s Fellowships and resurfaced in the 1960’s as the Charismatic Movement. The Vineyard Fellowships, the "Toronto Blessing," and the Pensacola Revival are all Latter Rain influenced, even though the leaders will not admit it since the LRM was heretical.
Latter Rain teachers promoted the restoration of "Davidic Tabernacle Worship." Services began with the emotional, repeated singing of praise choruses whereby the assembly came into the presence of God (or brought God into the assembly). This has become the format of typical Charismatic gatherings and has even influenced some "Lutheran" contemporary worship services.
Resources:
Michael G. Moriarity, The New Charismatics, (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1992)
4. Postmodernism
Postmodernist thinkers reject the role of reason and the validity of absolute truth claims. In so doing, they have become champions of the irrational. They refute themselves. They fill books with propositions against propositionalism. With many words they promote the deconstruction of words. They cut their own throats!
Postmodernist theologians suggest a Biblical hermeneutic that rejects the objective truth of Scripture. It is only truth from the perspective of the reader who filters the Biblical content through his own thought process. Of course, if you apply the same hermeneutic to the theologians who promote it, you have no reason to buy nor read their books. After all, they are only presenting their perspectives. Who cares?
The ecclesiastical promoters of the postmodern philosophy seek a "kinder and gentler" relativism, producing the distorted notion that we should speak truth without refuting error, or "do dogmatics without polemics." Truth is only "our truth." The fact is, if there is no error worth refuting, there is no truth worth promoting.
I agree. Postmodern thinkers do reject reason. They demonstrate it by what they write.
Resources:
Gene Edward Veith, Postmodern Times, (Wheaton: Crossway Books, 1994.)
David McCallum, The Death of Truth, (Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1996)
Henry Knight, A Future for Truth, (Nashville: Abingdon, 1997)
James W. Voelz, What Does this Mean? (St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1995).
Conclusion:
I wasted fifteen years in the Charismatic Movement because I jumped in without doing research. Don’t make the same mistake!
http://www.mtio.com/articles/aissar108.htm
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for me, truly studying and understanding WHY CESSATIONISM was God's Plan is critical. as Pilate uttered: 'WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN STAYS WRITTEN']
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[PAUSE: again, here's Bob Dewaay on the matter]:
http://cicministry.org/radio.php
| The Roots and Fruits of the New Apostolic Reformation, Part 2 |
| Presented by Bob DeWaay and Dick Kuffel |
| Broadcast Monday, November 14, 2011 |
| In this part on C. Peter Wagner's New Apostolic Reformation we describe the origin of elitist ideas from 17th century mystic Jane Leade through the 20th century Latter Rain movement to the Shepherding movement of the 1970's and we warn against many ideas. |
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| The Roots and Fruits of the New Apostolic Reformation, Part 1 |
| Presented by Bob DeWaay and Dick Kuffel |
| Broadcast Monday, November 7, 2011 |
| In this part on C. Peter Wagner's New Apostolic Reformation we trace the concept of apostles in the church in church history. We cover statements by Clement of Rome in 97 AD, the idea of the Papacy, and how the Reformation understood apostolic authority. |
| MP3 (duration 00:29:15) |
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Roots of the NAR and NOLR: Jane Leade & The Philadelphian Society
....Back to “Apostle Cronquist” in 2004, I obtained his writings and books. In one journal he explodes with spiritual exuberance that Jane Lead’s “1679 Prophecy” was meant for him to be an Apostle. Here’s a few revealing excerpts from “Epistles of the Kingdom Unto Royal by the Holy Spirit, 4th ed.” pp. 59-62, (circa 1980s)
EPISTLE 155 – 1985 A PROPHECY GIVEN IN 1679
This prophecy was found in the papers of Brother Charles S. Price after his death. It was written by a 16th century Scribe-Prophetess named Jane Leade, and came into my hands when I was about a year old in Christ [1959]. I bear powerful witness in my spirit to the validity of it’s words.
For the past thirty-two years I have ordered my motivations, attitudes and commitments to do God’s will, including the prophecy’s sayings within my heart with hope. I have added the validating Scriptures, to authenticate it’s verity. The attending anointing of the Holy Spirit revealed the correct Scriptures to add, calling them into remembrance (JN 14:26).
All the added Scripture references are in parentheses. You will have to concentrate and dig out the confirmation of this prophecy in the Scriptures for understanding, but it will be worth your while. Also, I have taken the liberty in God, to add my own commentary remarks and observations in brackets. My prayer is that as you read this prophecy, the Spirit of God will quicken to you it’s relevance and connection to the time we now live in – for it speaks of this generation, not of another.
Roots of the NAR and NOLR: Jane Leade & The Philadelphian Society
....Back to “Apostle Cronquist” in 2004, I obtained his writings and books. In one journal he explodes with spiritual exuberance that Jane Lead’s “1679 Prophecy” was meant for him to be an Apostle. Here’s a few revealing excerpts from “Epistles of the Kingdom Unto Royal by the Holy Spirit, 4th ed.” pp. 59-62, (circa 1980s)
EPISTLE 155 – 1985 A PROPHECY GIVEN IN 1679
This prophecy was found in the papers of Brother Charles S. Price after his death. It was written by a 16th century Scribe-Prophetess named Jane Leade, and came into my hands when I was about a year old in Christ [1959]. I bear powerful witness in my spirit to the validity of it’s words.
For the past thirty-two years I have ordered my motivations, attitudes and commitments to do God’s will, including the prophecy’s sayings within my heart with hope. I have added the validating Scriptures, to authenticate it’s verity. The attending anointing of the Holy Spirit revealed the correct Scriptures to add, calling them into remembrance (JN 14:26).
All the added Scripture references are in parentheses. You will have to concentrate and dig out the confirmation of this prophecy in the Scriptures for understanding, but it will be worth your while. Also, I have taken the liberty in God, to add my own commentary remarks and observations in brackets. My prayer is that as you read this prophecy, the Spirit of God will quicken to you it’s relevance and connection to the time we now live in – for it speaks of this generation, not of another.
THE PROPHECY
There shall be a full redemption of Christ (an anointed Corporate Son) (JN 17:18; 20:21; PS 2:1-2; RE 11:1-5). This is a hidden mystery (not to be revealed or understood without the revelation workings of the Holy Spirit) (EP 1:17-18]. The Holy Spirit is at hand to reveal the same to whosoever will be holy seekers and inquirers (JE 29:11-14a; 33:3; HE 11:6).
The completion of such redemption is withheld and abstracted by the Seals of Revelation (RE 5:1). Wherefore, the Spirit of God shall open up seal after seal, so that this redemption can come to be revealed, both particularly and universally (1 PE 1:3-5). In the gradual opening of the eternal, infinite, progressive mysteries of this redemption, does consist the unsearchable Wisdom of God, Who throughout eternity will continually reveal new and fresh things to the worthy seeker (JN 16:12; JE 33:3).
In order to which the Ark of the Testimony in heaven (Jesus), shall be opened before the end of the age. The living (Inchristed) testimony (the perfected Bride/Sons people, Remnant Body of believers on earth) (EP 4:13c, 15; HE 6:1 kj; MT 5:48; RE 19:7; RO 8:19; 9:25-27; 8:29-30; HE 2:10-11), shall be unsealed (revealed and manifested) (RE 6:1; RO 8:19). The Incarnate Presence of the Divine Ark (Jesus completed within) (COL 2:10a), will constitute the life of this Virgin Church.
Wherever this (perfected remnant) Body is (RO 9:27), there must, of necessity, be the Divine Ark (Jesus completed within) (COL 1:15-19; 2:9-10a; EP 4:13, 15; 3:19; 2:5b-6; 1:17-20; JN 17:18; 20:21; 1 JN 2:6; 4:17; 1 PE 2:21). The unsealing of this living testimony (those believers who have risen into His overcoming perfection) (RE 1:7, 11, 17, 26-27; 3:5, 12, 21), this side of death and the Tribulation (RE 2:11, 26-27), being those co-equal Sons (JN 17:18; 14:12; RO 8:17; RE 2:26-27; 3:21) with the Latter Glory (HAG 2:9; IS 60:1-22). These (Bride/sons) must begin the promulgation (announce, proclaim, instruct) of the Everlasting Gospel (RE 14:6).
The proclamation of this testimony (Jesus incarnate within these Sons brethren) (RO 8:29-30; HE 2:10-11), will be as the sounding of a trumpet, to alarm the nations of all professed Christendom (JL 2:1-11; 1:5-17; ZEP 1:14-18; 2:1-3; PS 2:1-12; RE 19:11-15; 17:14; 2:7, 11, 17, 26-27; 3:5, 12, 21).
Authority will be given by Christ Jesus to put an end to all controversies (of doctrines, revelations and eschatologies, of attitudes and motives, of all unsanctified, and unforgiven, unrepented, of unholy, frayed relationships) concerning the true Church, which is to be born of the true Jerusalem Mother (IS 66:5, 7-8 kj/nas; RE 12:1-2; 3:12; 21:2-3, 9d-10; MT 5:14).
His (Jesus – their Qualifier) decision will be the actual, literal sealing of the Remnant (RO 9:25-27) out from the universal Body of Christ (RE 12:1-2, 5; PS 2:1-9; IS 6:5-8 kj/nas; 3:13-20; EZK 9:4; RE 7:3; 14:1 kj/nas) by God Himself, giving them commission to act by that same authority (OBD 21; PS 149:5-9; IS 24:1-6; JE 51:19-23; JUDE 14-15; MIC 1:15; JN 17:18; 5:27; 8:26, 28de, 16, 29; 4:34; 6:38; 14:12; AC 3:20-23).
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...So, by 2004, I proved beyond beyond any shadow of doubt that several pioneer leaders of the NOLR from which C. Peter Wagner derived his NAR/ICA entity had hardcopies of the 1679 Prophecy from the Philadelphian Society and they all embraced it like it came directly from the Throne room of Almighty God. So far, so good. The final part of my investigation involved the following questions:
Q1: If these early NOLR leaders embraced and taught the doctrines of Philadelphian Society’s “1679 Prophecy” then what did the PS mean in historical context. In other words,
Q2: Who was Jane Lead and who were the rest of the members of the Philadelphian Society?
Q3: What did they believe and in what context?
Q4: How do their writings compare with those of the Latter Rain leaders?
Q5: Are the 20th-century Latter Rain leaders carrying out the doctrines and objectives that were started by the 17-Century Philadelphian Society and if so, then wouldn’t it behoove all NAR/ICA researchers to learn as much as they possible can about the Philadelphian Society so as to decode the bizarre and deadly doctrines and practices being carried out now?
The answers to these questions were historically hard to learn and come by since I had to somehow obtain primary source documents from the 16th and 17th century. In an answer to prayer, I obtained a research partner....
Q1: If these early NOLR leaders embraced and taught the doctrines of Philadelphian Society’s “1679 Prophecy” then what did the PS mean in historical context. In other words,
Q2: Who was Jane Lead and who were the rest of the members of the Philadelphian Society?
Q3: What did they believe and in what context?
Q4: How do their writings compare with those of the Latter Rain leaders?
Q5: Are the 20th-century Latter Rain leaders carrying out the doctrines and objectives that were started by the 17-Century Philadelphian Society and if so, then wouldn’t it behoove all NAR/ICA researchers to learn as much as they possible can about the Philadelphian Society so as to decode the bizarre and deadly doctrines and practices being carried out now?
The answers to these questions were historically hard to learn and come by since I had to somehow obtain primary source documents from the 16th and 17th century. In an answer to prayer, I obtained a research partner....
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In the mean time, I started to witness that all of the expose’s and lessons learned on this deadly movement were being forgotten by the victims of the 1970s and 1980.
They simply were not being passed on to this current generation who, like youth in other generations, couldn’t care less about history.
The very same NOLR leaders and their mind-controlled disciples were now zeroing-in on today’s youth and had only changed the names of the very same doctrines and practices to hide their past history.
In one sense, this is good since I realized these cult leaders are like a broken record or a repeating message machine. They cannot break out of their heresies.
The Lord has literally trapped them in their own doctrines and save for divine intervention, they simply cannot escape. The are like a vortex straight to the Lake of Fire and are sucking 10’s of 1000s into hell with Todd Bentley and the Lakeland Revival being a recent example.
They simply were not being passed on to this current generation who, like youth in other generations, couldn’t care less about history.
The very same NOLR leaders and their mind-controlled disciples were now zeroing-in on today’s youth and had only changed the names of the very same doctrines and practices to hide their past history.
In one sense, this is good since I realized these cult leaders are like a broken record or a repeating message machine. They cannot break out of their heresies.
The Lord has literally trapped them in their own doctrines and save for divine intervention, they simply cannot escape. The are like a vortex straight to the Lake of Fire and are sucking 10’s of 1000s into hell with Todd Bentley and the Lakeland Revival being a recent example.
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I am making the original claim that by understanding who that Philadelphian Society was and more importantly, what is the hybrid religious belief system of Christian Kabbalah, one can understand the bizarre anti-Christian beliefs of the New Order of the Latter Rain (NOLR), Wagner’s NAR/ICA and forward into the new United Stated Apostolic Alliance now headed up by the illustrious “Dr.” Dutch Sheets!
Of course, there are no new heresies since the 4th century, but this particular one is a very clever amalgam that has been little understood since the 17th century.
Of course, there are no new heresies since the 4th century, but this particular one is a very clever amalgam that has been little understood since the 17th century.
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Philadelphian Society Writings
The vast majority of Philadelphian Society writings are online here:
http://www.passtheword.org/Jane-Lead/
Since the Philadelphian Society took the Christian Kabbalist teachings of Jacob Boehme and some were known as Behmenists, you will also find Jacob Boehme’s writing on this website as well.....
The vast majority of Philadelphian Society writings are online here:
http://www.passtheword.org/Jane-Lead/
Since the Philadelphian Society took the Christian Kabbalist teachings of Jacob Boehme and some were known as Behmenists, you will also find Jacob Boehme’s writing on this website as well.....
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