THE BIG BANG and other lies they told me.

PROJECT PAPERCLIP AND THE SPACE RACE

ON MAY 19, 1945, JUST TWELVE DAYS AFTER GERMANY’S unconditional surrender, Herbert Wagner, creator of the first Nazi guided missile used in combat, landed in Washington, D.C., in a U.S. military aircraft with blacked- out windows.

Wagner was the first of a stream of Nazi scientists, technicians, and others to arrive in the United States in a program that came to be known as Project Paperclip. It began as Operation Overcast, a program authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to exploit the knowledge of Nazi scientists. (Overcast was mentioned but not clearly explained in the 2006 film The Good German starring George Clooney.)

This operation was renamed Paperclip and formally authorized in August 1945 by President Harry Truman, who was assured that no one with “Nazi or militaristic records” would be involved.

By mid-November, more Nazi scientists, engineers, and technicians were arriving in America, including Wernher von Braun and more than seven hundred other Nazi rocket scientists.

By 1955, nearly a thousand German scientists had been granted citizenship in the United States and given prominent positions in the American scientific community.

Many had been longtime members of the Nazi Party and the Gestapo, had conducted experiments on humans at concentration camps, used slave labor, and committed other war crimes.

Von Braun, who in later years became the head of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), is one of the more recognizable names of the Paperclip scientists.

Others included:

Major General Walter Dornberger, a close associate of von Braun’s

Werner Heisenberg, physicist and Nobel laureate who founded quantum mechanics

gaseous uranium centrifuge expert Dr. Paul Harteck

Nazi atomic bomb physicist and military project leader Kurt Diebner

uranium enrichment expert Erich Bagge

1944 Nobel Prize winner Otto Hahn, called the “father of nuclear chemistry”

scientists Carl Friedrich von Weizsaecker, Karl Wirtz, and Horst Korsching

physicist Walter Gerlach

CNN reporter Linda Hunt’s 1991 book Secret Agenda: The United States Government, Nazi Scientists, and Project Paperclip, 1945–1990 first revealed the extent to which Nazi infiltration was aided by persons within the U.S. federal government and military.

Like other researchers, Hunt found many government files pertaining to recruited Nazis “missing” or otherwise unavailable. Despite government claims that Paperclip was ended in 1947, according to Hunt, this project was,

“the biggest, longest-running operation involving Nazis in our country’s history.”

“The project continued nonstop until 1973 - decades longer than was previously thought. And remnants of it are still in operation today,” she wrote.

By the 1990s, when details of Paperclip finally reached the public’s ears, the infusion of Nazis into America’s military-industrial complex was complete.

IN 1952 , NEWLY elected President Dwight D. Eisenhower was persuaded to name John Foster Dulles as his secretary of state, and his brother, Allen Dulles, as the director of the CIA.

“The reigning Dulles brothers were the ‘Republican’ replacements for their client and business partner, ‘Democrat’ Averell Harriman. Occasional public posturing aside, their strategic commitments [to the globalists] were identical to his,” stated authors Webster Griffin Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin in their well-documented 1992 Unauthorized Biography of George H. W. Bush.

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[George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography]


http://tarpley.net/online-books/george-bush-the-unauthorized-biography/

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It should be noted that the Dulles brothers were both attorneys for and business partners with Averell Harriman.

It should also be noted that Allen Dulles, as OSS station chief in Bern, Switzerland, sat at the nexus of U.S. intelligence as well as Soviet intelligence, such as the infamous Rote Kapelle, or Red Orchestra, spy network. It was during his stint as assistant to the U.S. ambassador that Dulles used SS Brigadefuehrer, or brigadier general, Walter Schellenberg to communicate with his immediate superior, Reichsfuehrer Heinrich Himmler.

Dulles constantly sent intelligence reports to Washington, although, as stated by Adam LeBor,

“there are questions as to whether his motive was supplying genuine economic intelligence or merely building a complicated empire of information and disinformation that reached from Bern to Berlin and back again.”

Dulles moved from Bern to become OSS station chief in Berlin at the end of the war. In 1947, when the OSS was rolled into the newly created CIA, Dulles’s translator was an army intelligence officer named Henry Kissinger, who would go on to become secretary of state under President Richard Nixon, a lifelong friend to Dulles.

Project Paperclip quickly came under the control of an “old boy” network encompassing members of the globalists centered in the Council on Foreign Relations.

After its inception, Paperclip was run by the intelligence division of the
U.S. Army’s European Command, directed by Robert Walsh operating out of Berlin.

“The Paperclip office operated out of the intelligence division’s headquarters in Heidelberg, under Deputy Director Colonel Robert Schow, who would become assistant director of the CIA in 1949 and assistant chief of staff for intelligence in 1956,” Hunt wrote in Secret Agenda

ON MAY 19, 1945, JUST TWELVE DAYS AFTER GERMANY’S unconditional surrender, Herbert Wagner, creator of the first Nazi guided missile used in combat, landed in Washington, D.C., in a U.S. military aircraft with blacked- out windows.....

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_paperclip03.htm

An important example of the tight inner government control by secret society members may be found in the NSC, which has come to dominate U.S. policy decisions, including the use of armed force. Most Americans have no idea who exactly comprises the powerful NSC.



The council principals are the president, vice president, and secretaries of state and defense, positions predominantly held throughout the later twentieth century by members of the globalist societies, the Council on Foreign Relations, or the Trilateral Commission. The NSC staff is directed by the president’s national security adviser.



To coordinate covert operations, the NSC created the 5412 Committee, also called the Special Group, which has changed names several times to avoid public exposure. In 1964, it was known as the 303 Committee and in 1970 it was renamed the 40 Committee.



Within this organization - which included such familiar names as Nelson Rockefeller, Robert McNamara, McGeorge Bundy, Gordon Gray, and Allen Dulles - was a subcommittee dealing with science and technology. It is here that the connection between the corporate and financial world and government-held technological secrets may be found.



Here is centered control over rocketry, space, alternative energy sources, and even UFOs. And it is here that researchers have tracked the mysterious group known as Majic Twelve, later known as The MJ-12 issue was first publicly raised in 1984 when a TV producer and UFO researcher received an undeveloped roll of 35-mm black-and-white film in his mail. The film contained eight pages of what appeared to be official U.S. government documents stamped TOP SECRET/MAJIC EYES ONLY and dated November 18, 1952.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_paperclip03.htm

MAJESTYTWELVE

by William Cooper


Veritas News Service - The following is fact. It is not a theory it is a genuine conspiracy. I witnessed the Top Secret/Majic documents from which this information is excerpted while a member of the United States Navy attached to the Intelligence Briefing Team of Admiral Bernard Clarey, Commander in Chief of the United States Pacific Fleet.


I certify that the following information is true and correct to the best of my memory and the research that I have accomplished. I will swear to it in any court of Law.
I can produce the names of approximately 38 U.S. Navy officers and enlisted men who witnessed these documents while in the service of their country. I can produce the names of approximately 8 people involved in the UFO deception who have witnessed these documents. I can produce the names of approximately 80 others whom I suspect have witnessed these same documents.

I will not reveal the names except in a court of Law that is willing to prosecute the People and organizations involved in the conspiracy to overthrow the government of the United States of America to bring about a socialist totalitarian world government.

For many years I sincerely believed that an extraterrestrial threat existed and that it was the most important driving force behind world events. I was wrong and for that I most deeply and humbly apologize.

CONT...

Many years ago I had access to a set of documents that I eventually realized was the plan for the destruction of the united States of America and the formation of a socialist totalitarian world government.

The plan was contained within a set of Top Secret documents with the title "MAJESTYTWELVE". There was no space between majesty and twelve.

The term honored the planned placement of ultimate power in a body of wise men who are destined to rule the world as the disciples of a Messiah front man.

This Messiah will serve as a buffer between the wise men and the sheople. I discovered these documents between 1970 and 1973 while I was a member of the Intelligence Briefing Team of the Commander in Chief of the United States Pacific Fleet....

....The plan outlined the formation of a world totalitarian socialist government. It is to be ruled by a behind-the-scenes council of wise men. A so-called benevolent dictator, will be presented as the Messiah.

The Constitution for the united States of America and its Bill of Rights will be scrapped. A parliamentary form of government will take its place. All military forces and individuals are to be disarmed except for an internal police force which will carry only the minimum weapons needed to maintain internal order.

The only military force will be a world police force under the United Nations in sufficient numbers with state-of-the-art technology so that it can field overwhelming force against any perceived threat to the world supra government - see State Department Publication 7277. The military of the united States of America is currently filling the requirement. The senior officer corps of all of our military forces have betrayed their oaths of allegiance to the Constitution and have joined the conspiracy. They are turncoats who are actively engaged in High Treason.

The source of this conspiracy will be found in the body known as the Illuminati. It is made up of the highest adepts of the combined total of the so-called fraternal orders and secret societies. They are bound together by blood oaths, a secret religion, and the promise of an elite status within regional government, or the world supra government.

Their religion is based upon the Kabbalah, the Luciferian Philosophy, and the worship of the Sun.

They are not bound by any oath or allegiance save their own. They are loyal to no government or People save their own. And they are Citizens of no country save their already in place secret world government. In their own words, "If you are not one of us you are nothing." To garner some sense of "feel" for the concept see the movie They Live.

http://www.hourofthetime.com/majestyt.htm

You cannot hope to understand the philosophy (Illuminism) of any branch of the "Mystery School" (Illuminati) without many years of study and a complete knowledge of their "symbolic" language. You must understand that like many other organizations they attract those who completely miss the boat... or are just too stupid to "get it". When an individual joins a branch of the "Brotherhood," by any name, Freemasonry, Theosophical Society, Anthroposophic Society, Fraternitis Rosae Crucae, Knights Templar, Sovereign and Military Order of the Knights of Malta, or any other fraternal order or secret society, no one ever sits down with them and explains the meaning of anything. An actual literal esoteric education would be too dangerous. It could result in a public expose'... something which the Illuminati must avoid at all cost. But to give those who might understand a shortcut... Illuminism is COMMUNISM.

According to MAJESTYTWELVE the Knights Templar have become the driving influence at the highest levels of all the secret societies among the adepts known as the Illuminati. The most accessible font of their influence will be found in the (Cecil Rhodes) Roundtable Group (The Group), The Royal Institute Of International Affairs, the Church of Saint John the Divine in New York City, the Council On Foreign Relations, the Jason Society, the Skull and Bones Society (Russell Trust), the Scroll and Key Fraternity, the highest Degrees of the York and Scottish Rites of Freemasonry, the Ancient Order of Rosae Crucae, and many other secret societies which collectively make up the modern equivalent of the "Brotherhood of the Snake" also known as (a.k.a.) the "Guardians," the "Builders," the "Philosophers of Fire," or the "Illuminati".

The Philosophy of the Mystery Schools is the Luciferian Philosophy as espoused by General (Christopher) Albert Pike, one of the founders of the KKK. But it is not his original thought... he just expounded upon it in forms that eventually became accessible to those who seek it out. Christopher means Christ-like. To the adept, Albert Pike achieved a mystical apotheosis in the Lodge of Perfection and brought forth the Christ within. He thus became Christed taking on the name Christopher.

Very simply the Luciferian philosophy is, "Adam and Eve were held prisoner in the bonds of ignorance by an unjust and vindictive God in the Garden of Eden. They were set free from their chains (Evolution through "Primordial Knowing") by Lucifer (Prometheus) through his agent Satan in the guise of a serpent (ancient symbol of Wisdom) with the gift of Intellect (Fire). << TIKKUN <, THE DIVINE SPARKS

Through the use of his intellect man will perfect the race (Anglo/Aryan) and will himself become God (promise of Satan to Adam and Eve)." Any religion, church, organization, or People who believe they are God, will become God, or are becoming God is practicing the Luciferian philosophy of the Mystery Schools, and are acting in furtherance of the conspiracy....


HERE IT IS IN A NUTSHELL:


The Luciferian philosophy is a metaphor for the development of the perfected man (Marxist/Leninist) through the process of evolution by learning how to dominate and control nature (called science).

The result (they say) will be the apotheosis of the race of mankind and the elimination of all who cannot make this paradigm shift in the coming New Age.

The Soviet Union was the most perfect expression of illuminist secular humanist philosophy that has ever been presented before the eyes of an ignorant but gullible public. Now they strive for enslavement of the human race in the new utopia.

This will be brought about through deception, manipulation, and psychological operations which make up the art of illusion called magic.

This will be brought about through deception, manipulation, and psychological operations which make up the art of illusion called magic.

This will be brought about through deception, manipulation, and psychological operations which make up the art of illusion called magic.

http://www.hourofthetime.com/majestyt.htm


DOC I KNOW WE'VE COVERED THIS A MILLION TIMES BUT I GUESS WE GOTTA KEEP DOING IT.


2 Thessalonians 2
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

16Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, 17Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

What does the "Soul" mean in Kabbalah?

As Above, so Below

The Sefirotic Nature of the Soul

Introduction

A KEY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN Kabbalistic philosophy and Christian theology concerns their respective views of human nature. For the Kabbalist, human nature is essentially "asleep" or in a state of
"forgetfulness" regarding its divine origin.

People are really made in the "image of God," which (for the Kabbalist) means that each of us are essentially divine beings... Each soul is a miniature version of God Himself, like a fragmented holographic image ("monads").

Human beings are not "totally depraved" or victims of "original
sin," but are rather covered up with kelipot ("shells") that need to
be removed so that the "original spark" of God can shine through.

According to Kabbalah, every soul is "pure in essence," and the only
"salvation" to speak of is to become enlightened (i.e., to remember
the truth of who and what we really are).

The "Fall of Man" is a metaphor of our preexistent soul's concealed desire to "decend in order to (re)ascend." Our present condition is one of ignorance, and therefore there is no need for a flesh-and-blood Savior (much less for a vicarious atonement made by the Savior on a cross).

"Salvation" is the process of "clearing out" whatever obstructs our
manifestation of the concealed divine image so that the inner light
of God can freely shine through us. Performing mitzvot
(commandments) as ritual acts are intended to reawaken the latent
power of the soul (i.e., following the "yellow brick road" of tikkun
olam and "raising of the sparks").

At its heart, then, Kabbalah is a self-refinement process, a mystical approach to the meritocracy that is foundational to normative Judaism. Ironically, (i.e., despite its pantheism), Kabbalah leads to the conclusion that ultimately we must rely on ourselves -- for we alone have the power to save ourselves.

People don't need a real, flesh-and-blood "Jesus," they need gnosis, enlightenment, and release from the ego.

http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Articles/kabbalah/The_Soul/the_soul.html

Each soul is a miniature version of God Himself, like a fragmented holographic image ("monads").

Each soul is a miniature version of God Himself, like a fragmented holographic image ("monads").

mon·ad

   /ˈmɒnæd, ˈmoʊnæd/ Show Spelled[mon-ad, moh-nad] Show IPA

noun
1.
Biology .
a.
any simple, single-celled organism.
b.
any of various small, flagellate, colorless ameboids with one to three flagella, especially of the genus Monas.
2.
Chemistry . an element, atom, or group having a valence of one. Compare dyad ( def. 3 ) , triad ( def. 2a ) .
3.
Philosophy .
a.
(in the metaphysics of Leibniz) an unextended, indivisible, and indestructible entity that is the basic or ultimate constituent of the universe and a microcosm of it.
b.
(in the philosophy of Giordano Bruno) a basic and irreducible metaphysical unit that is spatially and psychically individuated.
c.
any basic metaphysical entity, especially having an autonomous life.
4.
a single unit or entity.



SO THERE'S THE WHOLE 'BIG BANG' 'SPARKS' THEORY WRAPPED UP IN a NICE NEAT PACKAGE: JEWS (since they are Adam, gentiles are subhuman) ARE MONADS OF THE DIVINE, WHO SHATTERED at the BIG BANG.

mkay. sure.

THE 'SPARKS' HAVE TO BE COLLECTED AND REGATHERED, THEREBY THE JEWISH PEOPLE, REPAIRERS OF THE WORLD, ARE COLLECTIVELY BECOMING G-D.

whatevah.

MEANWHILE: here's what beauty and talent look like. gifted, and modest.
just look at how pretty she is. and that smile. check the bass player. just sweet, that's all.

there's ZERO point picking away at ONE PIECE of a giant deception unless its understood that's what it is. a piece of a counterfeit picture..

here's another way to examine "the plan", to reaffirm that NOTHING is what it first appears to be...but that all the institutions/movements/forces/etc are cogs.

...........................

what does the BIG BANG (a Pantheistic G-d shattering into divine sparks/monads (resulting in certain human beings) eons ago have to do with a GLOBAL GULAG?

example:
understand "COMMON PURPOSE" (known in the U.S. as Communitarianism)

http://www.cpexposed.com/

just a simple bird's eye view of the "system" and the the players reveals (or confirms) that this was always the "the plan" and that its a done deal.

its just the Global Plantation. on steroids.

if only we understood that its just OZ BEHIND THE CURTAIN - that it could be be stopped virtually overnight.

but the surging masses can always be counted on to not-want-to-know. so, though ANYONE should know what's happening and what to do about it, here we are again, because the surging masses CHOOSE not to know.

he knew:
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn

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i do believe possibly the most dangerous beings on earth are those who believe/live by the Scofield "Bible".

all lined up like good little soldiers UNITED for a COMMON PURPOSE.

the greater good.

SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST

Now I better understand your resistance to MY resistance to the doctrine of Original Sin and a few other things.

Original Sin is still a problematic doctrine, but I despise the Kabbalah garbage.

PneumaPsucheSoma wrote:Now I better understand your resistance to MY resistance to the doctrine of Original Sin and a few other things.

Original Sin is still a problematic doctrine, but I despise the Kabbalah garbage.

LOL PPS. u r funnee, man.

re Original sin:

like the Creation account itself (we've been looking at the geo/helio thingee), ORIGINAL SIN is another example of a doctrine that is core.

core, not because the church SAYS its 'necessary' to believe but because none of the Biblical account; none of our existence makes any sense at all without it, imo.

whatever dogma has been built around 'original sin' isn't really the issue but may explain why we question it....'nother thread i reckon.

i guess the obvious question is: what are we each meaning by ORIGINAL SIN?


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for now...

up for a few questions PPS? (cuz this is an interesting issue and i'd love to examine it). i'm open for an attitude adjustment. you're a much better debater than i am but if i close one eye, and hold my breath sometime i can grasp the problem.

imma start a new thread on it for fun - maybe we can have a freewheeling convo about it.

QUESTIONS

1) are we/our existence/destiny at the very LEAST effected by the FALL - Adam's?
if so, in what ways?

2) if the wages of sin is DEATH, and our sins are blotted out and forgiven when we are regenerated and raised with Christ yet still alive in the flesh - why do we have an appointment with the grave anyway?

this question is a real problem for Finneyites and the Holiness crowd: they believe, as you know, that after the new birth they STOP SINNING. in fact they say if one hasn't reached sinless perfection they aren't saved.

(i ABHOR that 'doctrine' as you may recall from CC - 1,000 posts on it:oops: : http://www.ligonier.org/blog/heresy-perfectionism/ - < this stuff is the REAL antinomian heresy)

if that is true - that the wages of sin is death, but they reach sinless perfection - why then do they die?

if the answer is merely consequences of THEIR OWN 'original sins' (before their 'new birth' and their new state of 'sinless perfection' ), why then is consequences all the way back to Adam not applicable?

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re: the Kabbalah thing and the Big Bang and all that....

there are a couple of things right out of the gate that make it clearly part of the antichrist agenda.

one thing is:

did the Apollo Moon Landings happen?
(i don't want to flog a dead horse but its fun this old nag is such a joke)



forget the 'no wheel tracks' thing

i ask any of the heli/space eggs heads to stand up and say with a straight face this vehicle went to the moon and did all the stuff they say.

i mean COME ON!

its a VW dune buggy! in the American desert & film studios

look at the HORIZON/sky line! ROTFLMHO! really....anyways.



around 6:30ish the dune buggy is shown. this vid just simply shows how they slowed the film speed. we've all presumably seen all this junk.

the point is, if they're willing to go to all that trouble to set the thing up to lie to the people, and then perpetuate the lie for so long, why should ANYTHING that lot says be trusted?

it shouldn't. not one single thing. if they'd come out at some point and said HEY...weirdos lied back in the day and they're in jail but we really DO go to space now and here's the proof that'd be enough for me.

but that's never happened. its the same bunch.

and it's rubbish.

and i HATE lies. can't stand deception. refuse to accept anythung they say. NADA.

OKAY....so (for me at least) the entire NASA/space thing is stupid and i reject it all as lies and deception.

so the next thing i have to ask is why do we need these INCREDIBLY LONG (unimaginably long) peridos of time for stuff to happen in the universe/creation/BIG BANG?

why the billions and trillions of years?

welp, because of evolution obviously....we know that.

but what's at the core of evolutionary theory that makes it so critical to the antichrist agenda?

as near as i can figure, COSMIC TIKKUN requires PRIMORDIAL CHAOS:

Greek χάος means "emptiness, vast void, chasm, abyss", from the verb χαίνω, "gape, be wide open, etc.", from Proto-Indo-European *ghen-, cognate to Old English geanian, "to gape", whence English yawn.

Hesiod and the Pre-Socratics use the Greek term in the context of cosmogony. Hesiod's chaos has often been interpreted as a moving, formless mass from which the cosmos and the gods originated, but Eric Voegelin sees it instead as creatio ex nihilo,^[2] much as in the Book of Genesis. The term tohu wa-bohu of Genesis 1:2 has been shown to refer to a state of non-being prior to creation rather than to a state of matter.^[3] The Septuagint makes no use of χάος in the context of creation, instead using the term for גיא, "chasm, cleft", in Micha 1:6 and Zacharia 14:4.

Nevertheless, the term chaos has been adopted in religious studies as referring to the primordial state before creation, strictly combining two separate notions of primordial waters or a primordial darkness from which a new order emerges and a primordial state as a merging of opposites, such as heaven and earth, which must be separated by a creator deity in an act of cosmogony.^[4] In both cases, chaos refers to a notion of a primordial state contains the cosmos in potentia but needs to be formed by a demiurge before the world can begin its existence.

This model of a primordial state of matter has been opposed by the Church Fathers from the 2nd century, who posited a creation ex nihilo by an omnipotent God.^[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_(cosmogony)



okay..........so as a Christian, i am for Creation ex nihilo.

the NASA and occult and kabbalah guys are for that other junk. and the christians who allowed the GAP THEORY in Genesis have left the reservation.


the reality is that their stuff is NOT SCIENCE and never was. its religion.

so what's the key word?

CHAOS.

Artificial Intelligence, often noted as 'the science of complexity'. This science has some connections with chaos-theory.



cont....

tsk: i lost 1/2 the post.

Artificial Intelligence, often noted as 'the science of complexity'. This science has some connections with chaos-theory.


cont.....


Artificial intelligence

Cognitive science in Sussex has a homepage integrating artificial intelligence and evolutionary thought.
cellular automata to simulate darwinian evolution
Australian National University's Complex Systems homepage.
SFI / MIT Press Artificial Life Online
A page of Complex (Adaptive) Systems Information availiable on the net.
The University of Illinois IlliGAL (Illinois Genetic Algorithms Laboratory) home page.
The The Santa Fe Institute
The The Tierra home page Of Tom Ray (artificial life)
The Artificial life software.
The Biotopia IIThe best artificial life game for fast viewing on a dos/windows system. Only 200 kb, and easy to install and to run. View evolving little 'animals' and decide whether you like it before going further in downloading a-life games.
The Artificial life links.
T.S. Ray: An evolutionary approach to synthetic biology (paper on artificial life)
Illinois Genetic Algorithms Lab
Interactive genetic art (evolves according to user preferences)
Genetically programmed music
FAQ's on Genetic Algorithms
The cellular automata faq is now on the web.
newsgroupcomp.ai.genetic : about evolutionary computation, including genetic algoritms [GA] and genetic programming [GP]. Also very usefull, but not on W3 yet is their FAQ available through anonimous ftp: rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/news.answers/ai-faq/genetic/ as the files part1 to part6
Chaos theory

Chaos theory is connected to evolutionary theory in a quantitative way. It appears that evolutionary systems are mostly systems that are far from equilibrium, and that the dynamics of such systems, or clusters of systems cannot be described by linear-dynamics. Therefore there are a lot of connections between chaos-theory and evolutionary theory.

Chaos in Maryland: maryland chaos, where the picture is from featuring lots of pictures and some theory.
The Society for Nonlinear Dynamics and Econometrics (SNDE) homepage.
A hypertext Bibliography of Measures of Complexity at Manchester Metropolitan University.
Los Alamos National Labs CNLS Welcome
The chaos Network at prairienet
Nonlinearity and Complexity home page at DUTh (Democritus University of Thrace in Xanthi, Greece)
ChaoPsyk Browser
gopher://gopher.tmn.com

http://web.inter.nl.net/users/hanscees/evolu.htm#Artificial

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what is this actually saying?:

Chaos theory is connected to evolutionary theory in a quantitative way. It appears that evolutionary systems are mostly systems that are far from equilibrium, and that the dynamics of such systems, or clusters of systems cannot be described by linear-dynamics. Therefore there are a lot of connections between chaos-theory and evolutionary theory.


its saying there is no ORDER.

NO LOGOS.

cont.

so what's the real agenda and why all this rubbish to prop it up?

EUGENICS. that's all.

killing off the SUBHUMANS (to repair the world and take back the divine sparks ). you can follow up on that if you want to. that's what the talmud and Kabbalah say.

they needed theories and a "worldview" sold the masses so they could proceed with the CHAOS (clearly, since they rejected LOGOS) part - the perpetual killing off of the masses.

in case we don't know its the same group, the usual suspects who came up with this stuff, check out a simple Google search with CHAOS THEORY EVOLUTION EUGENICS:


Charles Darwin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
He published his theory with compelling evidence for evolution in his 1859 book On ...... him amidst evolution from chaos to Victorian gentleman with the title Man Is But A Worm. .... Francis Galton named this field of study "eugenics" in 1883.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin

Revolutions in evolution: Stephen Jay Gould in perspective
'Perhaps the most important advance in evolutionary theory since Darwin .... the key figure in population genetics, R A Fisher, unashamedly pushed for eugenics, ...... to Laplace, has been undermined forever by developments in chaos theory ...
pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk/isj100/mcgarr.htm

Social Darwinism
Charles Darwin's theory of evolution was put forward in his book The Origin of Species. .... The eugenics movement, led by Francis Galton, emerged as another .... they may then resort to violence, which can then give rise to conflict and chaos .
antidarwinism.com/socialdarwinism.html

Historical race concepts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Though ancient peoples likely had no knowledge of evolutionary theory or genetic ..... The eugenics movement of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, inspired by ... barriers, and that "race-mixing" breaks those barriers and leads to chaos.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_race_concepts

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how do we know its the same group? EXAMPLE: its all in here -

Sir Julian Sorell Huxley FRS^[1] (22 June 1887 – 14 February 1975) was an English evolutionary biologist, humanist and internationalist. He was a proponent of natural selection, and a leading figure in the mid-twentieth century evolutionary synthesis. He was Secretary of the Zoological Society of London (1935–1942), the first Director of UNESCO, and a founding member of the World Wildlife Fund.

Huxley was well known for his presentation of science in books and articles, and on radio and television. He directed an Oscar-winning wildlife film. He was awarded UNESCO's Kalinga Prize for the popularisation of science in 1953, the Darwin Medal of the Royal Society in 1956,^[1] and the Darwin–Wallace Medal of the Linnaean Society in 1958. He was also knighted in that same year, 1958, a hundred years after Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace announced the theory of evolution by natural selection. In 1959 he received a Special Award of the Lasker Foundation in the category Planned Parenthood – World Population. Huxley was a prominent member of the British Eugenics Society and its president from 1959–1962.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Huxley

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He was awarded UNESCO's Kalinga Prize for the popularisation of science in 1953, the Darwin Medal of the Royal Society in 1956,^[1] and the Darwin–Wallace Medal of the Linnaean Society in 1958.

what?

the Royal Society

Freemasons have always been in the forefront of the scientific community; from the founding of the British Royal Society to today’s NASA programme in the United States. The following is a short and incomplete list 1 of Brethren who have contributed to the exploration of outer space.

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/spacemason/



oh ya....same guys.

so long story short, i don't believe a single thing they say.
its not possible for them to KNOW TRUTH let alone speak it.

Ordo ab Chao

re Original sin:

like the Creation account itself (we've been looking at the geo/helio thingee), ORIGINAL SIN is another example of a doctrine that is core.

core, not because the church SAYS its 'necessary' to believe but because none of the Biblical account; none of our existence makes any sense at all without it, imo.

whatever dogma has been built around 'original sin' isn't really the issue but may explain why we question it....'nother thread i reckon.

i guess the obvious question is: what are we each meaning by ORIGINAL SIN?

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for now...

up for a few questions PPS? (cuz this is an interesting issue and i'd love to examine it). i'm open for an attitude adjustment. you're a much better debater than i am but if i close one eye, and hold my breath sometime i can grasp the problem.

imma start a new thread on it for fun - maybe we can have a freewheeling convo about it.

QUESTIONS

1) are we/our existence/destiny at the very LEAST effected by the FALL - Adam's?
if so, in what ways?

Yes. Man's soul faculties (mind-will-emotion) functioned apart from the faculties of his spirit (conscience-communion-intuition). The soul was designed as a responsive "conduit" between body and spirit, not to self-initiate.

2) if the wages of sin is DEATH, and our sins are blotted out and forgiven when we are regenerated and raised with Christ yet still alive in the flesh - why do we have an appointment with the grave anyway?

Because the "flow" of life from God's own Spirit into man's spirit was abrogated when man's soul functioned apart from man's spirit and "took the reins". Man's spirit was "buried" within man's soul, devoid of communion with God. The Logos must divide*asunder (merismos: partition for separation and distribution) the soul-spirit and body-soul to quicken man's spirit and regenerate man's whole being.

It was a structural compromise of man's constitution. My issue with Original Sin is that is describes (NOT defines) the "what", but doesn't tell anything about the "how". A structural constitutional change is a more substantial position to defend or to have to refute.

this question is a real problem for Finneyites and the Holiness crowd: they believe, as you know, that after the new birth they STOP SINNING. in fact they say if one hasn't reached sinless perfection they aren't saved.

(i ABHOR that 'doctrine' as you may recall from CC - 1,000 posts on it:oops: : http://www.ligonier.org/blog/heresy-perfectionism/ - < this stuff is the REAL antinomian heresy)

if that is true - that the wages of sin is death, but they reach sinless perfection - why then do they die?

if the answer is merely consequences of THEIR OWN 'original sins' (before their 'new birth' and their new state of 'sinless perfection' ), why then is consequences all the way back to Adam not applicable?

Agreed. It's about sin, not sinS.

I'll watch for your thread. :-)

zone wrote:so what's the real agenda and why all this rubbish to prop it up?

EUGENICS. that's all.

killing off the SUBHUMANS (to repair the world and take back the divine sparks ). you can follow up on that if you want to. that's what the talmud and Kabbalah say.Ordo ab Chao

EUGENICS

The Ethics of Killing Babies with Investigative Reporter Jon Rappoprt

Infowars.com
Thursday, March 8, 2012

A new article in the Journal of Medical Ethics proposes that newborn babies are not real persons, and therefore it is as ethical to kill them as it is to abort the unborn.

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THE ETHICS OF KILLING BABIES

THE ETHICS OF KILLING BABIES

MARCH 6, 2012. Buckle up.

A new article in the Journal of Medical Ethics proposes that newborn babies are not real persons, and therefore it is as ethical to kill them as it is to abort the unborn.

Here is the abstract of the article.
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Abortion is largely accepted even for reasons that do not have anything to do with the fetus’ health. By showing that (1) both fetuses and newborns do not have the same moral status as actual persons, (2) the fact that both are potential persons is morally irrelevant and (3) adoption is not always in the best interest of actual people, the authors argue that what we call ‘after-birth abortion’ (killing a newborn) should be permissible in all the cases where abortion is, including cases where the newborn is not disabled.

http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2012/03/06/the-ethics-of-killing-babies/

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newborn babies are not real persons

newborn babies are not real persons

‘after-birth abortion’

‘after-birth abortion’

the new name for Eugenics is BIOETHICS.

a simple search reveals the usual suspects.

zone wrote:

a little follow up on this guy is enlightening also: Dr. Guy Kahane

Manipulating morals: scientists target drugs that improve behaviour

Researchers say morality treatments could be used instead of prison and might even help humanity tackle global issues...

A pill to enhance moral behaviour, a treatment for racist thoughts, a therapy to increase your empathy for people in other countries - these may sound like the stuff of science fiction but with medicine getting closer to altering our moral state, society should be preparing for the consequences, according to a book that reviews scientific developments in the field.

Drugs such as Prozac that alter a patient's mental state already have an impact on moral behaviour, but scientists predict that future medical advances may allow much more sophisticated manipulations.

The field is in its infancy, but "it's very far from being science fiction", said Dr Guy Kahane, deputy director of the Oxford Centre for Neuroethics and a Wellcome Trust biomedical ethics award winner.

"Science has ignored the question of moral improvement so far, but it is now becoming a big debate," he said. "There is already a growing body of research you can describe in these terms. Studies show that certain drugs affect the ways people respond to moral dilemmas by increasing their sense of empathy, group affiliation and by reducing aggression."

Researchers have become very interested in developing biomedical technologies capable of intervening in the biological processes that affect moral behaviour and moral thinking, according to Dr Tom Douglas, a Wellcome Trust research fellow at Oxford University's Uehiro Centre. "It is a very hot area of scientific study right now."

He is co-author of Enhancing Human Capacities, published on Monday, which includes a chapter on moral enhancement.

Drugs that affect our moral thinking and behaviour already exist, but we tend not to think of them in that way. [Prozac] lowers aggression and bitterness against environment and so could be said to make people more agreeable. Or Oxytocin, the so-called love hormone ... increases feelings of social bonding and empathy while reducing anxiety," he said.

"Scientists will develop more of these drugs and create new ways of taking drugs we already know about. We can already, for example, take prescribed doses of Oxytocin as a nasal spray," he said.

But would pharmacologically-induced altruism, for example, amount to genuine moral behaviour? Guy Kahane, deputy director of the Oxford Centre for Neuroethics and a Wellcome Trust biomedical ethics award winner, said: "We can change people's emotional responses but quite whether that improves their moral behaviour is not something science can answer."

He also admitted that it was unlikely people would "rush to take a pill that would make them morally better.

"Becoming more trusting, nicer, less aggressive and less violent can make you more vulnerable to exploitation," he said. "On the other hand, it could improve your relationships or help your career."

Kahane does not advocate putting morality drugs in the water supply, but he suggests that if administered widely they might help humanity to tackle global issues.

"Relating to the plight of people on other side of the world or of future generations is not in our nature," he said. "This new body of drugs could make possible feelings of global affiliation and of abstract empathy for future generations."

Ruud ter Meulen, chair in ethics in medicine and director of the centre for ethics in medicine at the University of Bristol, warned that while some drugs can improve moral behaviour, other drugs - and sometimes the same ones - can have the opposite effect.

"While Oxytocin makes you more likely to trust and co-operate with others in your social group, it reduces empathy for those outside the group," Meulen said.

The use of deep brain stimulation, used to help those with Parkinson's disease, has had unintended consequences, leading to cases where patients begin stealing from shops and even becoming sexually aggressive, he added.

"Basic moral behaviour is to be helpful to others, feel responsible to others, have a sense of solidarity and sense of justice," he said. "I'm not sure that drugs can ever achieve this. But there's no question that they can make us more likeable, more social, less aggressive, more open attitude to other people," he said.

Meulen also suggested that moral-enhancement drugs might be used in the criminal justice system. "These drugs will be more effective in prevention and cure than prison," he said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/apr/04/morality-drugs-improve-ethical-behaviour

Revelation 18:23
And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

sorceries
φαρμακεια noun - dative singular feminine
pharmakeia far-mak-i'-ah: medication (pharmacy), i.e. (by extension) magic -- sorcery, witchcraft.

nations
εθνη noun - nominative plural neuter
ethnos eth'-nos: a race (as of the same habit), i.e. a tribe; specially, a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually, by implication, pagan) -- Gentile, heathen, nation, people.

deceived
επλανηθησαν verb - aorist passive indicative - third person
planao plan-ah'-o: to (properly, cause to) roam (from safety, truth, or virtue) -- go astray, deceive, err, seduce, wander, be out of the way.;

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Kahane does not advocate putting morality drugs in the water supply, but he suggests that if administered widely they might help humanity to tackle global issues.


Kahane does not advocate putting morality drugs in the water supply, but he suggests that if administered widely they might help humanity to tackle global issues.