Talmudism

zone wrote:DOC!

PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT THIS.

PLEASE.

I will. I'm fighting a spot of writers block on the Gospel section of the Noahide series.

Strangelove wrote:

I will. I'm fighting a spot of writers block on the Gospel section of the Noahide series.

What do you need?

zone wrote:What do you need?

It's ok I'm past it now. Halfway through 4th episode.

If you have anymore relavent verses regarding Jesus' warnings of the pharisees post them in the leaven thread plz.

Hoffman's Blog


Wednesday, April 13, 2011


Israeli-First, Zionist Warhawk Glenn Beck Is No Martyr



Editor’s Note: Lately we have observed “anti-Zionist” and even supposed “anti-Talmud” right wingers blame “the Jews” for Glenn Beck’s derogation at Fox News. With blind guides like these Beck-sympathizers leading us, is it any wonder we’re losing the battle for hearts and minds? These alleged "anti-Talmudic Conservatives Christians" are beyond obtuse. When Nikita Krushchev sacked Lavrenty Beria, did it make Beria less of a Communist? Beck is no less a Zionist because Fox News has distanced itself from him.


Because Beck’s apocalyptic mystification of history and politics is viewed as an increasingly buffoonish, demoagogic detraction from the sophisticated, professional public relations image the Zionist power structure wishes its talking heads to project, he has been moved off center stage. Big deal. We’re supposed to weep for our poor, persecuted populist oracle who has been viciously repressed by his masters.


Mr. Beck is a case-hardened Zionist, just like “Christian Conservative” Sarah Palin (who wore not a cross, but a hexagram [so-called “Star of David”] on her recent rear-end kissing tour of “Israel”). Beck is being transfered to the John Hagee circuit; in other words, to be used as the sideshow Israeli propagandist, not the main attraction. Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes believe that the mystic-Mormon Beck is not as professional in his demeanor and presentation as he should be. In response to this tactical move, right wingers have declared Beck to have been martyred by “the Jooze.”


The right wing has a terminal disease: from Ronald Reagan to Glenn Beck, they worship their executioners. Even right wing supposed experts on Judaism have fallen for the false opposition mirage projected by the rabbinic, pillar of chesed/pillar of gevurah Temple of permissible Left/Right ideology, which has been imposed on the political framework of the West ever since the masonic French Revolution. Having suckered-in for this hallucination, right wing reverends proclaim Beck to be part of the noble opposition to the Temple!


It’s five minutes to midnight on the clock of destiny and most of those who have appointed themselves as our guides and visionaries don’t have a clue. You want to weep? Weep for the hypnotic right wing herd that is simultaneously puffed up on its own imaginary grasp of the secret mind control methods of Judaism, while in actuality being just as dumbed-down as any other boob-tube bovine chewing its kosher cud.

Jesus Bless you brother Michael!


Thursday, February 17, 2011


Russian Orthodox theologian: Hoffman unjust to Prof. Brant Pitre



On Feb 17, 2011, at 8:46, V.M. wrote:

I think you are being a little unjust to Prof. Pitre here. I fully accept that the Talmud is a hateful book, which has to be treated with extreme caution. And I also agree that Christ rejected the man-made traditions of the Pharisees....do you not accept that there may have been some authentic traditions from Old Testament times that did not enter the text of the Old Testament? And that even in the Mishnah there may be some trace of these authentic traditions?

Dear V.


In her public debate with the Judaic Stalinist Lillian Hellman, Mary McCarthy stated, "Everything Miss Hellman says is a lie, including 'and' and 'the.'"


Of the Cretans St. Paul said they were all dishonest (Titus 1:12-13).


You are most welcome to uphold, as a source of inspiration and guidance for Christians, the traditions that were compiled by authentic Christians who were dedicated to truth. The fact that rabbinic tradition is riddled with lies, fantasies, half-truths and preposterous hyperbole does not nullify or detract from Christian traditions. Though my understanding of sola Scriptura differs from yours, I am not formulating a Protestant epistemology of discounting all tradition, when I expose the worthlessness of a specific tradition, the Torah SheBeal Peh that constitutes the corpus of the rabbis.


Furthermore, you did not address my point: who is going to sift rabbinic tradition for alleged truths contained within it? How would this quicksand be navigated? Are we in any way required to undertake so nearly impossible a task when Jesus Christ did not? He did not quote rabbinic tradition except to condemn it. Shouldn't that teach us something?


On Feb 17, 2011, at 8:46, V.M. wrote:


I do not accept the argument that since the evidence is from Jewish rabbinic tradition, it must be wrong.


Michael Hoffman replies:


I will concede your point, in theory, by putting the case another way: even a blind chicken picks up some corn. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. In that sense, rabbinic tradition is not wrong in every case, and only in that sense.




On Feb 17, 2011, at 8:46, V.M. wrote:


Since Pitre's account of eucharistic traditions in Jewish tradition does not, to my knowledge, contradict any facts or teachings of the True Church, but on the contrary, fits in with them very well, I am inclined to accept it as a describing a genuine tradition...


Michael Hoffman replies:


Your criterion is disturbing. You have fallen into a very tight snare. You concede some semblance of credibility and reliability and worst of all, a degree of faithful witness, to rabbinic texts which are a palimpsest of fraud and perjury. By way of analogy, Anton LaVey, the founder of the Church of Satan, was in favor of home-schooling and opposed to abortion. What would you say if I were to author a book seeking to buttress the validity of home-schooling and anti-abortion in which I quoted Anton LaVey in support of my position?


How is the Roman Catholic/Orthodox dogma on the Eucharist advanced one jot by quoting rabbinic tradition in support of it? Is there something inadequate about the Christian testimony and theology that requires the support of the Mishnah of the Pharisees to buttress it?


I do not mean any offense, but Truth compels me to state that your position is double-minded and self-defeating. Why, oh why, are certain Christians forever seeking after rabbinic approbation for their beliefs?


How is it that we must have recourse to the blind-guide Pharisees and their farrago of filthy stories, replete with institutionalized deception and murderous treachery against their own Messiah, to support Jesus' words at the Last Supper? I cannot in my wildest dreams countenance Jesus doing this or approving of it. Moreover, almost none of the Church Fathers who are esteemed by your Orthodox tradition ever engaged in such folly.


How is it that the Church and its sacred deposit of Faith existed for 2,000 years without having to use promo blurbs from the Babylonian tradition of the rabbis of fallen and decayed Judaism to advertise the validity of the teachings of Christ? Is there not a macabre alchemical mélange brewing in this cauldron's mixture of opposites?


I reject Prof. Pitre's modernist pandering, which inevitably lends cachet and cleans up the image of the texts that inculcate the darkest evil on this planet, containing traditions that led most of the Jews of first century Palestine to reject and crucify Yahweh's Divine Son, and which continue to hold in thrall millions of Judaics today.


Quoting the Talmud in support of the Eucharist is like quoting Anton LaVey is in support of home-schooling. By so doing one is burnishing an evil root. When the Renaissance Catholic neo-Platonists first sought to gain acceptance for the Kabbalah inside the Church, they promoted it as a document that testified to the truth of Jesus Christ. Catholic university Prof. Brant Pitre is promoting the Talmud as testifying to the truth of Jesus Christ. Coincidence?


On Feb 17, 2011, at 8:46, V.M. wrote:


...do you not accept that there may have been some authentic traditions from Old Testament times that did not enter the text of the Old Testament? And that even in the Mishnah there may be some trace of these authentic traditions?


Hoffman replies:


I will answer your question from the Mishnah itself, from Mishnah Hagiga i, 8. Commenting on its own enormous compendium of meaningless and ungodly laws, which nullify the Word of God, the Mishnah concedes that these laws are "as mountains hanging by a hair, for they have scant Scriptural basis but many laws."


The rabbis are witnesses against themselves. Woe to those like Pitre who defend the indefensible in the Name of the Most High. Please do not partake of their transgression. I believe you to be a sincere seeker after the Gospel. The confusion you exhibit is typical of millions of modern Christians.


Thank you for writing and giving me the opportunity to defend the unchanging Truth. "For this end was I born and for this cause came I into the world."


Sincerely in Christ,
Michael Hoffman







http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/search/label/Babylonian%20Talmud

"The panel discussion on 'Haredim and the Holocaust' that recently
aired on (television) Channel 1 should have included the views of the
Lubavitcher Rebbe (Chabad's so-called 'King Messiah'), Rabbi Menachem
Schneerson. On the subject of the Holocaust, the Rebbe. ..c ompare(s) God to a
surgeon who amputates a patient's limb in order to save his life. The limb 'is
incurably diseased ... The Holy One Blessed Be He, like the professorsurgeon
... seeks the good of Israel, and indeed, all He does is done for the
good .... In the spiritual sense, no harm was done, because the everlasting
spirit of the Jewish people was not destroyed.'

"The Rebbe's stance, therefore, is clear: The Holocaust was a good thing
because it lopped off a disease-ravaged limb of the Jewish people - in other
words, the millions who perished in the Holocaust - in order to cleanse the
Jewish people of its sins

(cf. Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, Mada Ve'emuna, Machon Lubavitch, 1980, Kfar Chabad)"

- Yehuda Bauer writing in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz

You see, the Jews who died in the holocaust were sinners according to the Rebbe coz they rejected talmudic authority and oral law. So they deserved what they got??

These people.....are sick.

this came from Gilad today. it's an Israeli tv show.
SHOCKING AND UNSPEAKABLY OFFENSIVE: PROCEED WITH EXTREME CAUTION.
blasphemy of the highest order.
i'm going to be sick.

Israeli Humour- Mocking Jesus on Israeli TV

Sunday, April 24, 2011 at 12:08AM Gilad Atzmon

Easter Weekend Special......


http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/israeli-humour-mocking-jesus-on-israeli-tv.html

Right...this is unacceptable...I'm calling the ADL...

Strangelove wrote: Right...this is unacceptable...I'm calling the ADL...

exactly!!!!!!

but they're prolly busy with this:

(arutz)
6. EU Panel Chooses Passover to Approve Anti-Semitic Food Labeling
by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu



A European Union food safety committee chose the first day of Passover to approve a proposal designed to steer consumers away from buying meat from animals slaughtered according to Jewish ritual by labeling it as “meat from slaughter without stunning.”

The proposal will be presented to the EU parliament in July and differs from a decision two years ago by the European Union Council of Agricultural Ministers, which officially recognized shechita – Jewish kosher slaughter.

The new draft proposal does not restrict the sale of meat that is slaughtered according to Jewish law but highlights the lack of stunning, which animal rights activists claim is a more humane method for killing animals.

Rabbi Aryeh Goldberg, Deputy Director of the Rabbinical Centre of Europe (RCE), decried the timing of the vote with the first day of the Passover holiday and vowed to convince EU legislators to defeat the proposal, the European Jewish Press reported.

"It is inconceivable that members of the European Parliament, representing Jewish communities across Europe, could not have chosen another day to vote on such a tendentious issue that gravely affects European Jewry," Rabbi Goldberg said.

~

meanwhile, you and i can be beheaded for cruelty to animals....

Hoffman said (pp): "at one time the murder of Jesus was the greatest ontological event (crime) in history....until WW2"

Kabbalist Doctrine Explains World Events


April 24, 2011

Left, a man looks over the expanse of ruins left by the explosion of the atomic bomb in Hiroshima, Japan. (AP Photo)


by Henry Makow Ph.D

The Kabalist Doctrine of Destruction provides a key to understanding world events.

According to the Kabbalah, which is the secret doctrine of Judaism and Freemasonry, "Evil and catastrophe [are] endemic factors in the process of creation. Without evil there could be no good, without destruction, creation could not take place." (Kabbalah: An Introduction to Jewish Mysticism, by Byron L. Sherwin, p. 72.)

Kabbalists believe the Old (Christian) Order must be ruthlessly destroyed before the New (Satanic) World Order, based on the Kabala, can be built.

Hence, the Illuminati motto: "Order Out of Chaos." Hence, the Communist Manifesto advocates the destruction of nation, religion and family and the transfer of all private wealth to the Illuminati bankers, in the guise of the state.

The Doctrine of Destruction explains why war and revolution have been characterized by a gratuitous orgy of genocide, terror and destruction.

It explains the banishment of God from public discourse and the widespread acceptance of obscenity, pornography and the occult. It explains the attack on gender and the promotion of homosexuality to heterosexuals.

It explains why humanity seems cursed by never-ending crises and catastrophes -- economic, political and natural. I believe they are engineered by the Illuminati to attack and destroy anything that smacks of the healthy divine order -- spiritual or natural.

THE ILLUMINATI

The present day Illuminati grew out of the satanic "Sabbatean-Frankist" Jewish heresy in the 17th and 18th centuries. The bankers and half the Jews of Europe adopted this pestilence and spread it to the Gentile elites through Freemasonry.

Thus, Illuminati Jews characterize the "Jewish" role in terms of the destruction of civilization.

For example, in the book "You Gentiles" (1924) Maurice Samuel writes:

"In everything, we are destroyers--even in the instruments of destruction to which we turn for relief...We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers for ever. Nothing that you will do will meet our needs and demands. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own." (p. 155)

In 1928, Marcus Ravage, a Jewish Rothschild biographer wrote an essay entitled, "The Real Case Against the Jews."

"You have not begun to appreciate the real depth of our guilt. We are intruders. We are disturbers. We are subverters. We have taken your natural world, your ideals, your destiny, and played havoc with them. We have been at the bottom not merely of the latest great war but of nearly all your wars, not only of the Russian but of every other major revolution in your history. We have brought discord and confusion and frustration into your personal and public life. We are still doing it. No one can tell how long we shall go on doing it."

(THE CENTURY MAGAZINE, JANUARY 1928, Vol. 115, No. 3, pp. 346-350.)

Most Jews (and liberals/leftists in general) are unaware of this kabbalistic plot. They have been duped and manipulated by spurious appeals to ideals of "social justice" and "equality."


WHY THE KABBALAH IS SATANIC

Religio means "to go within" i.e. "to know and obey" God. In any true religion, God comprises absolute spiritual ideals -- love, truth, justice, goodness, beauty, harmony -- pure and unalloyed. God is nothing if not Moral - i.e. Good.

Evil is the absence of God, just as darkness is the absence of light.

The Kahbalah is satanic because it says evil is part of God: "God has two sides; [both] are essentially one thing; what we experience as evil is as Divine as what we experience as good."

Hence the expression gaining currency today: "It's all good."

The Kabalist exegesis continues:

"Many texts in the Kabbalah, including the Zohar, say that the task is not to destroy evil but to return it to its source -- to "include the left within the right," in the Zoharic metaphor, "to uplift the fallen sparks" in the Lurianic one. In Chabad Hasidism, it is stated that evil exists as part of the Divine revelation itself. Indeed, to think that evil really is separate from God is, itself, the essence of evil, which is precisely the illusion of separation."

"Letting go of the reality of separate evil, and really accepting that the sitra achra [impurity, occult, evil] is a side of Divinity, is easy on paper and very difficult in reality. ... Still, to the extent it is possible to do so, the notion is indeed life-changing. Everything is a flavor of Divinity."

Kabalists also believe in "redemption through sin" i.e. deliberately flaunting the Old Law by doing evil (adultery, incest, pedophilia.) The destruction of civilization (i.e. chaos) will provoke the return of the Messiah (the anti-Christ) who will rebuild the world according to Kabbalist specifications, with the Illuminati bankers playing God.

In true religion, you do not obey God by doing evil.

Kabbalists also believe God is unknowable and has no form. In contrast, true religion assumes God is present in the human soul. Obeying this voice, (conscience) is what makes us human.


SATANICALLY POSSESSED

Call it illuminism, secularism, luciferianism, humanism or paganism: It's all Kabbalah.

Modern Western civilization has no moral legitimacy (and no future) because it is based on a rebellion against God, who represents the path of our spiritual development.

Humanity had been hijacked by psychopaths intent on destroying the "old order" (Reality) and building a bizarre, solipsistic, violent, depraved dystopia in its place.

These psychopaths control our government's credit and the mass media. Thus, they are able to purchase our leaders and dupe society into embracing its own downfall.

--

Related - "Liberals are Unwitting Shills for Communism, Satanism"

The Kabala is a Hoax
http://www.henrymakow.com/whats_wrong_with_the_kabbalah.html

Livingstone- The NWO's Satanic Bible
http://www.henrymakow.com/david_livingstone.html

http://www.henrymakow.com/

but not for these folks. now it means THE LAND.


Passover's Gift

by Victor Sharpe

This is Passover's gift--a promised and undivided land

Millions, perhaps billions, of the world’s population do not know the meaning of the towering festival of freedom and liberty known as Passover; a festival recognizing an event that has blessed the world for some 3,300 years: This creation and deliverance of an entire nation.

Such a seminal event in humanity’s history became the foundation for freedom and liberty – created many centuries before democracy was first enunciated by Greek philosophers who nevertheless lived within a polytheistic society.

Judaism has given the world monotheism in its purest and most undiluted nature. The Unity of God is what Jews have defended against all who attempted to suggest a plurality: even to enduring martyrdom.

The long suffering Jews under Egyptian bondage were led to freedom by the Jewish prophet, Moses, who brought them to their own very special and promised Land of Israel. Moses spoke with God in Sinai and brought a wondrous divine gift to the Jewish people and through them to all humanity – the Decalogue; the Ten Commandments, and the basis of today’s laws of Western and Judeo-Christian civilization and jurisprudence. These ten brief commandments – a mere 120 Hebrew words – are written on the walls of synagogues and churches.

But, as in all Jewish practice, Moses was never deified. He was shown in the Torah, the first five books of the Bible, as a man; nothing else. Indeed in order not to deify him or exalt him over others he is shown in the Holy Bible with human failings and his burial place remains unknown. He sought the mountain top and beheld the Promised Land of Israel, yet was never to enter. In fact, in the Torah Moses is described merely as “the humblest and meekest of all human beings.” For in Judaism, only God is divine and besides Him there are no others.

Passover (Pesach in Hebrew) is the first of the Jewish holidays and festivals, coinciding with the coming of the Spring in the Jewish people’s ancestral, biblical and native land: the land given by God in an everlasting Covenant to the Jewish people; a land extending from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea and including Gilead (the possession of the tribes of Manasseh, Gad and Reuben) east of the river, in the present day Arab state of Jordan.

Mankind was, and is, blessed through the Passover for it is a veritable gift to those who accept its divine message and perform the ritual meal, the Seder, recording the Exodus story.

But there is an evil in men’s hearts, and it is a profound evil, for those who hate and envy this Jewish gift to humanity and its message of freedom, liberty and foundational democracy. They have chosen since time immemorial to rise up to destroy all that it stands for and persecute those – the Jews – who received it from God and who have shared it with all humanity.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/10139

Jewish apologist, Bernard Lazare refers to the TALMUD as "the creator of the Jewish nation, and the mould of the Jewish soul" (L 'ANTISEMITISME, p.293)

Holy quotemine Batman!

Any lack of a response is not indicative of a lack of interest to any of these threads on my behalf guys and gals. Problem is (not really a problem ), I'm reading. And reading and reading and reading the links attached with much of what is being discussed here and on the other threads. The scope and depth is fascinating, to say the least. I confess to being "one of the duped" for much of my lifetime. It's only been these past few years where I've come to accept that "things do not seem quite right" in regards to the unfolding of events. I say this not so much as an apology but rather a confession of ignorance on my part. This is not a forum whose topics can be discussed with little information ....and I will not attempt to do so without first understanding the depth and content. Nonetheless folks, I am intrigued and interested in what this forum has to say. Bear with a simple-minded man that has much to learn.....but who has been blessed with that which matters most.....being counted righteous by His grace through faith. Back to more reading

unclefester wrote:Any lack of a response is not indicative of a lack of interest to any of these threads on my behalf guys and gals. Problem is (not really a problem ), I'm reading. And reading and reading and reading the links attached with much of what is being discussed here and on the other threads. The scope and depth is fascinating, to say the least. I confess to being "one of the duped" for much of my lifetime. It's only been these past few years where I've come to accept that "things do not seem quite right" in regards to the unfolding of events. I say this not so much as an apology but rather a confession of ignorance on my part. This is not a forum whose topics can be discussed with little information ....and I will not attempt to do so without first understanding the depth and content. Nonetheless folks, I am intrigued and interested in what this forum has to say. Bear with a simple-minded man that has much to learn.....but who has been blessed with that which matters most.....being counted righteous by His grace through faith. Back to more reading

dear Father Guido Sarducci

i love the way you said this. very cool. we were all duped at one time: the scope of the conspiracy is beyong mind boggling. by its very nature, this thing has had to be hidden.

and, as you said, it is only by Grace we here even see what we do see.

i give thanks every day, for the Lord promised He would keep His elect from the deception in THE HOUR OF TEMPTATION which appears to be coming at us now.

i'm so glad you're here Fester. quite a difference from some other forums where peeps are still telling each other to "let go and let G-d for the "giftings" (i.e: gibbering and blowing each other over backwards), huh?

don't worry about posting and not knowing anything inside/out: none of us do....we're working.
love you
zonest.

Strangelove wrote:.... In the spiritual sense, no harm was done, because the everlasting spirit of the Jewish people was not destroyed.'

"The Rebbe's stance, therefore, is clear: The Holocaust was a good thing
because it lopped off a disease-ravaged limb of the Jewish people - in other
words, the millions who perished in the Holocaust - in order to cleanse the
Jewish people of its sins

(cf. Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, Mada Ve'emuna, Machon Lubavitch, 1980, Kfar Chabad)"

- Yehuda Bauer writing in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz

RED ALERT!
THERE IT IS!!!!!!!!!
keep this in your mind and do not forget the implication.
and, if the time comes, remember what has been said here.

unclefester wrote:Any lack of a response is not indicative of a lack of interest to any of these threads on my behalf guys and gals. Problem is (not really a problem ), I'm reading. And reading and reading and reading the links attached with much of what is being discussed here and on the other threads. The scope and depth is fascinating, to say the least. I confess to being "one of the duped" for much of my lifetime. It's only been these past few years where I've come to accept that "things do not seem quite right" in regards to the unfolding of events. I say this not so much as an apology but rather a confession of ignorance on my part. This is not a forum whose topics can be discussed with little information ....and I will not attempt to do so without first understanding the depth and content. Nonetheless folks, I am intrigued and interested in what this forum has to say. Bear with a simple-minded man that has much to learn.....but who has been blessed with that which matters most.....being counted righteous by His grace through faith. Back to more reading

Fester....

None of us want this stuff to be true. Least of all me being one who was born and brought up in the judaic faith (liberal though it was). But finding out that the originators of the antisemitism that I've been a victim of all my life are the same people who call themselves 'Jews' (the pharisees and their modern incarnation of global zionism) just makes me boiling hot mad and I just have to expose this mess.

Theres plenty of conspiratorial material to rest the case against the false jews who are running this thing from a worldly point of view. And yes I understand it can take a decade to get through this stuff. We discuss things like that here because its REAL and its happening NOW so we can relate to it in our lives.

The most telling part of all this though, is the BIBLICAL evidence that allows us to seperate the light from the darkness. Jesus Christs own words!

(John 8:42) Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
(John 8:43) Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
(John 8:44) Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
(John 8:45) And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
(John 8:46) Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
(John 8:47) He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Really really dont want this to be about the 'Jews' but...it is sadly.

And His revelation through John regarding the Whore of Babylon.

(Revelation 11:8) And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

This can only be one 'great city' no?

(by the way I was a stonewall 'Rome as the Harlot' preacher until zone showed me the truth in scripture so we are all duped at some point). Glad to have you here bud.

KOL NIDRE OATH

"All vows, obligations, oaths, anathemas, whether called 'kona' or 'konas,' or by any other name which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound from this DAY OF ATONEMENT until the next, whose happy coming we await, we do repent! May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled and void, and made of none effect. They shall not bind us nor have any power over us. The vows shall not be reckoned as vows; the obligations as obligations, nor the oaths as oaths."

Doc is all this from Hoffman?

dear Father Guido Sarducci

i love the way you said this. very cool. we were all duped at one time: the scope of the conspiracy is beyong mind boggling. by its very nature, this thing has had to be hidden.

and, as you said, it is only by Grace we here even see what we do see.

i give thanks every day, for the Lord promised He would keep His elect from the deception in THE HOUR OF TEMPTATION which appears to be coming at us now.

i'm so glad you're here Fester. quite a difference from some other forums where peeps are still telling each other to "let go and let G-d for the "giftings" (i.e: gibbering and blowing each other over backwards), huh?

don't worry about posting and not knowing anything inside/out: none of us do....we're working.
love you
zonest.

Thanks kiddo I'll tell ya ....I start reading a thread,... any thread and it's hard to pull myself away from it without reading it in it's entirety. Sometimes time doesn't allow for me to finish it but I go back to where I left off and continue again. It hasn't taken long to realize that what is said here is the truth. And to be frank, I just finished watching the vids posted by Ada (another thread)) and can at least say that I was already aware of the things spoken of by the defected KGB agent. Sheep led to slaughter if I've ever seen any and the poor saps are totally unaware that they themselves are the ones sharpening the sheers. Truly amazing to be alive and watch things unfold as they are. Maybe if we too learn to "trust" and start barking like a dog in the spirit or sumpin', just maybe it will all just go away ....lol I'll find my place here.....and you guys are just going to have to put up with me

Fester....

None of us want this stuff to be true. Least of all me being one who was born and brought up in the judaic faith (liberal though it was). But finding out that the originators of the antisemitism that I've been a victim of all my life are the same people who call themselves 'Jews' (the pharisees and their modern incarnation of global zionism) just makes me boiling hot mad and I just have to expose this mess.

Theres plenty of conspiratorial material to rest the case against the false jews who are running this thing from a worldly point of view. And yes I understand it can take a decade to get through this stuff. We discuss things like that here because its REAL and its happening NOW so we can relate to it in our lives.

The most telling part of all this though, is the BIBLICAL evidence that allows us to seperate the light from the darkness. Jesus Christs own words!

(John 8:42) Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
(John 8:43) Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
(John 8:44) Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
(John 8:45) And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
(John 8:46) Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
(John 8:47) He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Really really dont want this to be about the 'Jews' but...it is sadly.

And His revelation through John regarding the Whore of Babylon.

(Revelation 11:8) And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

This can only be one 'great city' no?

(by the way I was a stonewall 'Rome as the Harlot' preacher until zone showed me the truth in scripture so we are all duped at some point). Glad to have you here bud.

Thanks again Doc. I too am discovering (much to my chagrin) what is the truth and what isn't. My brother's three daughters have a Jewish mother. Through the years, I got to know her now deceased parents quite well......concentration camp tattoo's and all. I too was convinced that Rome was the harlot for quite some time,....forgot about Revelations for a while and then crossed paths with Zone on another forum....lol Just re-reading the scriptures you supplied in your response and I'm thinking .....what in the heck was I reading before ??? Or more accurately, was I even paying attention ? For what it's worth Doc, it is comforting to hear you say that you wished this really wasn't about the Jews (you have more reason than I to desire otherwise, obviously)... even though we both know that it is. Always had a soft spot in my heart for them. This forum promises to be quite the journey. I'm glad I'm here as well

unclefester wrote:
Thanks again Doc. I too am discovering (much to my chagrin) what is the truth and what isn't. My brother's three daughters have a Jewish mother. Through the years, I got to know her now deceased parents quite well......concentration camp tattoo's and all. I too was convinced that Rome was the harlot for quite some time,....forgot about Revelations for a while and then crossed paths with Zone on another forum....lol Just re-reading the scriptures you supplied in your response and I'm thinking .....what in the heck was I reading before ??? Or more accurately, was I even paying attention ? For what it's worth Doc, it is comforting to hear you say that you wished this really wasn't about the Jews (you have more reason than I to desire otherwise, obviously)... even though we both know that it is. Always had a soft spot in my heart for them. This forum promises to be quite the journey. I'm glad I'm here as well

Fester:
this is about APOSTATE BAD GUYS and they both jew and gentile, as we all know.
nothing has changed. its the same crew playing the same old games.

what's interesting now though is the number of gentiles claiming to be jews and vice versa.

the plot thickens.

none of us want this to be true...but, WE HAVE A GREAT GOD AND REDEEMER Who had laid down His Life and taken it up again to rescue us from the RIGHTEOUS ANGER to come.

we are looking for a new Home, we are just passing through.

~

i'm an audio (MP3er), cuz i multitask.

here's one of my favorite sites:

http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/

enjoy.
love zone.