Talmudism

ada wrote:
The brainwashing is subtle and incessant, emanating from folks like David Aaronovitch (whose mission is to convince us that life is an unplanned disordered
theatre proceeding from human error and the various forms of chaos that
error precipitates).......

yes: the ACCIDENTAL VIEW of History vs what is truly called THE CONSPIRATORIAL VIEW,

i studied this several years ago: it was a real lamp in the mind, helped me chop the last few limbs off those briar bushes (accidental history) that kept me from connection dots (true history).

i'll see if i can find the online source.


this idea was concocted by the Darwinian crowd, and honed by the boyz at the Frankfort School, as we've discussed: CATACLYSMIC EVOLUTION/everything (revolution).

Winston's job at the Ministry of Truth was to put History down the memory hole.

good one ada.

RAPING RABBI USED RELIGION AS LURE
By Rev. Ted Pike
16 Jun 11



Continuing a wave of child abuse indictments, another Orthodox rabbi has been arrested
in Israel this week. Rabbi David Hafuta, age 64, is charged with
forcing intercourse on a 12-year-old girl multiple times over a
10-month period. Hafuta is known as a “neighborhood rabbi and a
familiar figure with a reputation in the field,” who abused the girl’s
trust.
In an Orthodox culture in which rabbis are held in superstitious
awe, the girl approached Hafuta with sincere religious questions. The
rabbi then used religious pressures suffused with Kabbalistic/Messianic
superstition and pedophile grooming techniques to molest his victim.
Hafuta drove the girl to the beach and told her she must "atone for
all the bad deeds that she has done so far" by allowing him to rape
her. Using manipulation techniques shared by other pedophiles, the
rabbi conducted a pretend marriage ceremony and described intercourse
as possessing magical power to control destructive forces in the girl
and even save her mother. The rabbi also sought access to other girls
by asking his victim to bring her friends to his office, where some of
his assaults had taken place.
As I have documented in previous articles (See, Child Sex Indictments Plague Orthodox Judaism and Pedophilia: The Talmud's Dirty Secret)
the Talmud could not be more explicit that Jewish men have the right
to “marry” three-year-old girls via sexual penetration and Jewish women
have the right to sexually assault nine-year-old boys. In the dozens
of child abuse cases emerging against Orthodox rabbis, we find them
evidently feeling justified by the Talmud to abuse minors, both male
and female. The Talmud says sexual assault by an adult Jew upon a minor
is not like sexual contact with an adult. Under certain circumstances
it may be indulged in with no moral consequences. The child is not a
“man” and is thus outside the Mosaic command against illicit sexual
intercourse.
The sexual neutrality of minors is laid down in Sanhedrin
52b. This tractate, of all in the vast Babylonian Talmud, is considered
by Orthodox authorities to be most definitive concerning legal
matters.

GEMARA. Our Rabbis taught [and the man that
committeth adultery with another man’s wife, even he that committed
adultery…shall surely be put to death.] ‘The Man’ excludes a minor;
that committeth adultery with another man’s wife ‘excludes the wife of a
minor;’ even he that committeth adultery with his neighbor’s wife
‘excludes the wife of a heathen.’ (1)

Because the Pharisees gave two meanings to the word “man,”
pedophile rabbis today may be rationalizing that sex is permitted, not
just between a minor and a minor but, by inference, between a rabbi and
a minor, with the wife of a minor and the wife of a heathen (gentile),
who is not a “man” according to Kerithoth 6b.
In my article “Judaism and Homosexuality: a Marriage Made in Hell,”
I present a number of further examples of the dictum that minors
can’t throw guilt on the adult who rapes them. Suffice to say, this
latest case of child rape by an Orthodox rabbi in Israel combines the
worst theological and moral perversions of the Talmud. This evil
“sacred” literature undoubtedly helped another perverse rabbi justify
his despicable choice to do what Christ said we must never, never do:
betray the trust of a child wanting to learn about God (Luke 17:2).

Footnote:
(1) Sanhedrin 52b asserts that sex with a minor is exempt from punishment.

Why South Koreans are in love with Judaism

Sales of the Talmud are soaring in Seoul, and it’s not to do with religion

By Tim Alper, May 12, 2011


A child in Seoul studies a Jewish text

The South Korean ambassador to Israel, Ma Young-sam, raised eyebrows recently when he told reporters the Talmud was mandatory reading for Korean schoolchildren.
South Korea is a country with a deep Buddhist history, but one which has embraced with vigour the Christianity brought to its shores by missionaries in the late 1800s. Official statistics say some 30 per cent of South Koreans are church-going. In such a country, Jews are few and far between.

http://www.thejc.com/lifestyle/lifestyle-features/48771/why-south-koreans-are-love-judaism

Rob found this...gotta read.
hadn't occured to me to search Talmud + instead of Noahide Laws +...

Who is masmid?
Yitzchok Horowitz, more commonly known as Reb Itche der Masmid, was a famous Orthodox Rabbi in pre-war Europe. Specifically, he served as a Mashpia, Hasidic mentor of the Chabad movement. He was born to Shlomo Menachem Mendel and Elka Horowitz in the city of Bereznehuvate, in the Kherson Governorate.[1] Jewish agricultural settlement in the Kherson area had been initiated and encouraged by the second Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Dovber Schneuri.

From their book: Masmid annual student publication at yeshiva college june 1943

http://www.archive.org/stream/masmid1943#page/10/mode/2up

They are at work today.Have they been at work in OSLO and UTOYA?

WE ARE HEADING directly into World
War III, even before we have achieved
victory in World War II. The groundwork
for the coming catastrophe is swiftly being
laid and "the handwriting on the wall" is
becoming increasingly legible. No exag-
gerated pessimism is required for an
alarmed view of the present trend of things.
To anyone who will only observe and
digest, it is obvious that the dark forces
of reaction are feverishly at work on all
fronts — economic, political and social. They
are busily engaged in a Herculean attempt
to push the clock of time backwards — back-
wards into the abyss of slavery, tyranny
and bigotry.

they were at work in Africa when the
Girauds and Peyroutons ascended to power;
they were at work at Red Cross headquar-
ters where Negro blood was being segre-
gated; they were at work in the State de-
partment when it decided to continue the
appeasement of General Franco; they were
at work in the United States Senate when
the Anti-Poll Tax bill went down to defeat;
they were at work in Downing Street when
Winston Churchill declared that he had not
become His Majesty's first minister to pre-
side over the dissolution of the British Em-
pire; they were at work in the last election
when Ham Fishes were returned to Con-
gress; they were at work simultaneously
throughout the country when the 40-hour
week lie was being broadcast by 95 per
cent of all American newspapers.

And they are still at work now, only
with doubled energy, greater insistence
and more savage determination. They
have grasped the situation fully and have
planned their mode of campaign accord-
ingly. They have correctly understood
present day compulsives and have taken
measures to adapt them to their own ad-
vantage. The tragedy of the situation con-
sists of the fact that the forces of liberalism
and enlightenment, those forces diamet-
rically opposed to the means and ends of
the exponents of reaction, are blind to
their own grave peril and are currently
in a state of torpor which bodes ill to the
cause they represent.

*sigh*

all because of the SATANIC TALMUD.
it breeds psychopaths.

i reckon NORWAY will be RETHINKING its declaration to PULL OUT OF THE LIBYAN GENOCIDE CAMPAIGN.

From the site www.identifyingchabad.org

There are many, many worrisome beliefs and practices common to the contemporary Lubavitch community. Some stand in serious conflict with halacha, others are simply odd. However, we're going ignore most of them and focus primarily on the principle of hiskashrus (a Lubavitcher's attachment to his rebbe).
Why? Because hiskashrus isn't just odd or in conflict with any particular halacha, it would, as we shall soon demonstrate, seem to be minus (a corrupted understanding of G-d and His nature which, among other things, renders the believer unfit to provide religious services).
And because hiskashrus is so central a part of modern Chabad, and is a theme so often repeated in their literature at every level, that no one could ever claim "it's just a few crazy people at the fringe of the movement."
Hiskashrus, in fact, is the movement.

http://www.identifyingchabad.org/Chabad%20Beliefs.html

"...It's the Rebbe who runs this world"

BUMP........

Hmmmm....wonder whether the talmuds loopholes for allowing paedophilia and also child sacrifices helps when recruiting faithful young
luby's and developing their "attachment" to their rebbe?

I think we've barely scratched the surface when it comes to unveiling the horrors that are going on in orthodox judaism.

...Didn't know this....Anyone know how accurate this is?





Hi Doc how are you?

Monsey rabbi Weingarten resentenced to 30 years for molesting daughter

NEW YORK — A Monsey rabbi convicted of molesting his juvenile daughter has been sentenced to 30 years in federal prison — the same penalty he received before his successful appeal.

Israel Weingarten, 61, was convicted in March 2009 of five counts involving sexual abuse by a jury in U.S. District Court in Brooklyn. He's being held in prison.

Jurors found he took his daughter out of the United States to Israel and Belgium for the purpose of sexually abusing her during the spring and summer of 1997.

SOURCE: lohud.com

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Strangelove wrote:Hmmmm....wonder whether the talmuds loopholes for allowing paedophilia and also child sacrifices helps when recruiting faithful young
luby's and developing their "attachment" to their rebbe?

I think we've barely scratched the surface when it comes to unveiling the horrors that are going on in orthodox judaism.

Doc, the guy over at failedmessiah covers all this.

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/

Do you think we've pretty much got talmudism covered now sister?

lolz....

Five men arrested for sexually abusing minors in J'lem
By MELANIE LIDMAN
09/15/2011 03:29
Jerusalem Post

Police arrested five men in the Jerusalem neighborhood of Nahlaot over the past six weeks for sexually abusing dozens of minors in the neighborhood starting as early as 2006, though the abuse got significantly worse in the past two years.

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Four of the men are from the haredi portion of the neighborhood. Ben Ruby said that due to the closed nature of the community, the police often have a difficult time identifying and arresting suspects.

SOURCE: Jerusalem Post

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SOURCE: Failed Messiah blog

Agudath Israel Of America Says You Have To Ask A Rabbi Before You Can Call The Police On A Child Molester



Except in cases where the abuser is caught red handed, Agudah says you
should ask a senior rabbi with experience in these issues and, even
better, you should ask a full beit din (religious court) made up of
senior rabbis with experience in these issues. This means Agudah is
advocating for you to violate mandatory reporting laws in many states,
and it is advocating turning over the lives of abused children to rabbis
who have often covered up for abusers.

Agudath Israel of America (often called Agudah for short) is the
umbrella organization of the vast majority of ultra-Orthodox Jews in the
United States.

The summation of Agudah's position is given at approximately 1:02 of
the recording, followed by some brief words from Rabbi David Zwiebel,
Agudah's executive vice president. Zwiebel tries to say that there are
different secular standards for reporting sexual abuse of minors, and
implies that this somehow justifies Agudah's stand. But the law is clear
and Agudah is advocating violating it.

Zwiebel is an attorney, so he can't claim to be unfamiliar with the implications of his words or the words that preceded his.

Just before Zwiebel speaks, Rabbi Gottesman takes several brief
questions. The first questioner asks what should be done if a state's
mandatory reporting law mandates reporting a particular case to police
or child protection services but Jewish law (as understood by the rabbi
asked or as explained by a published rabbinic ruling) does not. Rabbi
Gottesman tells the questioner that a rabbi should be consulted to
determine if the mandatory reporter must "expose yourself to possible
legal ramifications under the Mandated Reporting Act."

This audio file was recorded this week at a Agudath Israel conference.

Please click the gray bar to listen.

If no gray bar or media player appears on your screen, please right
click the link below and choose either to download the audio file or
open it in another window or tab. If you choose the latter, it should
play there.

Download Abuse Issues and Reporting - Halachik and Legal Overview with Rabbi Sh Gottesman and

Strangelove wrote:Do you think we've pretty much got talmudism covered now sister?

lolz....

i don't. you've read all of hoffman, i wish i had the patience for the online version.

there's one thing i do want to see what i can find out more about, is b'nai brith.

zone wrote:

Strangelove wrote:Do you think we've pretty much got talmudism covered now sister?

lolz....

i don't. you've read all of hoffman, i wish i had the patience for the online version.

there's one thing i do want to see what i can find out more about, is b'nai brith.

I heard there was a level above b'nai brith called b'nai Moshe.

A google search brings up not much.

I dont think outsiders will ever know the real mechanics of the top of the SoS.

My lovely sister zone!
Thank you very much!
I am on this since some month..

In Christ my Dear!

ada wrote:
My lovely sister zone!
Thank you very much!
I am on this since some month..

In Christ my Dear!

ada if you have factual, documented historical data on the young turks i am currently running a thread in misc. called Great fire of Symrna.

i'd appreciate any connections you might make.
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israel has green light for attack on iran, within 3 weeks,so we should expect skyhigh fuel costs, false flags and executive orders all around. eventually ww3.

we may even lose touch. i s'pose i'll keep going till i decide its time to split.

Jesus shelter our children, call the lost to you, protect us from our enemies and Come Soon, Lord.

A major component of Khazar shamanism was, and remains, its deep attachment to, and close relationship with the Solar World. The sun, the moon, the planets and the stars were the breath of the steppes, the essentially nomadic spirit, and their home in other worlds. When Bulan became a Jew, many Khazar shamanists, even amongst those closest to him, retained their original links with the Cosmic Powers and other worlds. As a little boy, his Siberian grandmother, a High Shaman in her own right, taught him all he knew in preparation for his later elevation to the Dual Monarchy. Following his decision, she left the court at Itil and went to a cave in the Caucasian foothills to die alone in sorrow and bereavement. She had brought to her marriage the gift of dreaming and journeying which the Khazars developed into a powerful shamanic way of life. The most gifted amongst them made contact with Mayan and Toltec dreamers in ancient Mexico and Guatamala. Together, they built up their contacts with the other worlds of the solar systems. The Khazar shamans used the Lodestar as a guide and a "power point" on their travels. When Khazaria broke apart, a viable gathering of men, women and children began a great nomadic journey across Central Asia, Siberia, the Berings, across Canada and North America, down the coast of California, to finally settle in Guatamala, amongst the Mayan dreamers. Later, some moved on to South America, and east to Mexico, to meet the Toltec dreamers. The people that Martin Prechtal thought spoke a language with Hebrew words and sounds are, surely, their descendents, living, if unaware, Khazars, who mixed and inter- married with the indigenous people. Through my own contact with the Toltec and Mayan world, and a growing ability to dream and track, (stalking , in older usage), I was gifted with contact with my ancestral Khazars. As my book went to publication, I was gifted yet again with the dream of the Khazar Lodestar. The development of its design took place over several weeks. I believe the Khazar Lodestar has been remanifested at this time for a specific reason and for a specific purpose. It is the fruit seeded in the pomegranate orchards by the dying Bulan. I believe that, in his final vision, he saw the people of the other worlds and their gift to us, the Crystal Skulls. It is time for them to be gathered in, and for those of us who can, to tune in to the knowledge they carry, to secure the future of the Cosmos, and ours, in other worlds. The synchronicity of our development of modern communications systems through the use of the powers of crystals with the re-manifestation of the Khazar Lodestar, based on the Crystal Skulls, is surely a powerful omen for the future. If you are a SEASONED Warrior, with a high sense of responsibility and discipline and focus, drawn to the powers of the Cosmos and its ancient shamanic ideals, please read the section on the Khazar Lodestar. For further information email: lodestar13[email=%20kalli@khazarsgathering2012.com]@khazarsgathering2012.com[/email].

http://khazarsgathering2012.com/shamanic%20khazars1.html

Judaism vs. Christianity Part 1

Series: Reasons Why Jews Don't Believe · 2 of 16

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There is a book that has gained popularity among Jewish people written by Asher Norman called 'Twenty-Six Reasons Why Jews Don't Believe In Jesus.' It supposedly 'provides Jews with the information necessary to refute Christian missionaries.'

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=521102215361

DON'T MISS THIS...EDUCATION ON THE ORAL TRADITIONS.

We Are All Jews Now

The issue of 'Deicide', the killing of Christ by "the Jews", has (astonishingly in this Talmud-dominated* age) been recently raised in the mainstream media.

Bishop
Williamson of the traditionalist Catholic SSPX order has accused Jews
of killing Jesus in a (privately circulated) blog posting entitled "How
can Pope Benedict let go of ancient truths?" (his article can be read on
Michael Hoffman's website here)

BW
is correct to state that his position was the mainstream Catholic view
for nearly 2000 years until 1962 and the publishing of Nostra Aetate
(“In Our Time”), a document contradicting the New Testament and agreeing
with the Rabbis that the ancient Jews were not responsible for the
execution of Christ.

Williamson states the case thus...."Originally
raised by God to cradle the Messiah, alas, when he came they refused,
collectively to recognize him. Collectively also, meaning there are always noble exceptions,
they have remained faithful to that rejection, so that they changed
their religion from that of Abraham and Moses and the Old Testament to
that of Anas, Caiphas and the Talmud. Tragically, their very messianic
training by God drives them to go on rejecting the one whom they hold to
be a false messiah. Until they convert at the end of the world, as the
Church has always taught they will do (cf. Rom. XI, 26-27), they seem
bound to choose to go on acting, collectively, as enemies of the true
Messiah."

Jewish convert to Christianity, Roy Tov, presents some detail about how the Pharisees altered 'the religion of Abraham and Moses' to serve their purposes.

Michael Hoffman surely nails the essence of this issue here and here
when he says that those modern Jews who accept The Talmud can rightly
be accused of 'Deicide' by Christians because the 'holy book' they
follow openly celebrates Christ's murder. It says, amongst other
horrible things, that Christ is in hell drowning in boiling excrement
and that his mother is a whore.

The Talmud promotes a moral code
that is to be practiced amongst Jews only. It promotes hatred (indeed
murder and sexual exploitation) of gentiles (we're only 'cattle' you
know) and the idea of Jewish supremacism over all other races. A Jew can
say a prayer once a year (the Kol Nidre) that undoes all promises and
contracts with gentiles for that year.

Let Christians be clear.

And be unafraid to say it.

THE TALMUD IS AN UTTERLY SATANIC DOCUMENT.

As
a child attending Mass before 1962 I remember that we always used to
says prayers at the end of the service 'for the conversion of Russia'
(i.e. the Jews)

This was surely a work of spiritual mercy that the prodigal sons and daughters of 'Israel' return to God.

Catholicism's
(and Christianity's at large) abandonment of this aspect of our
spiritual and religious focus has proved a greater disaster than we
could have imagined.

International banking interests have taken
over our governments. Western societies allow their owned leadership to
exercise an ideology that is, in practice, Talmudic supremacism on a
global stage. The Christian churches have no effective or even mildly
useful criticism to make of this diabolical situation.

Our
children in Europe are flown (aided by government subsidy) to Auschwitz
to witness the scene of ultimate human sacrifice. Auschwitz has
displaced Golgotha. Work-shy predators and parasites have thus been
protected by a victim-status while they have soared above and gained
control of society at large.

It
needs to be emphasised that there are legions of gentiles happy to
collaborate in the supremacist mission......and that many, many Jews
reject the Talmudic ideology. It is unfortunate that some of these buy
into that ideology second-hand by accepting precepts of Zionism.

And
yet in spite of current Jewish hegemony (this is not too strong a word)
over western countries, Rabbis respond to Williamson's statements with
something approaching panic.

Rabbi Pinchas Goldschmidt of the European Council of Rabbis said: "Comments
like these take us back decades to the dark days before there was a
meaningful and mutually respectful dialogue between Jews and Roman
Catholics. There must be no rapprochement within the Catholic church for
those of its flock who seek to preach words of hate."

Meaningful?

Mutually respectful?

There has been no sincerity whatsoever in this dialogue on the part of the Talmudists.

None.

Their 'Holy Book' still curses Christ and His mother.

The
Christian churches (and the Catholic Church in particular) are in ruins
as a result of their abandonment of tradional principle and their
willingness to submit to the secular-humanistic Frankfurt-School-created
agenda, so heavily funded and promoted by financier-funded think-tanks
and Foundations.

Money rules. Global supremacism is our governments' policy of choice. We have abandoned God and are helpless because of it.

For the moment we have no power to stop the Leviathan.

Our choice today is the same as it was for Jews 2000 years ago.

Christ
warned us against the Pharisees, those supremacist Jews who abandoned
the traditions of Abraham and Moses and put themselves on an equal (or
superior when it suited their purpose) footing with God.

He did not even argue with the money-changers. Christ's first act in Holy Week was to drive them from the temple.

We have collectively stopped listening to Christ, upon whom our civilisation was once founded.

We have embraced the enemies of God and the results are there for all to see.

We are all Jews now.
http://kevboyle.blogspot.com/2011/10/we-are-all-jews-now.html

i just found this, and am posting here for examination. no clue what it is.

any input anyone? help me dissect this thing and see if this is found in the talmud. its ultimatley about schneerson but the Talmudic thing and the earthly king messiah thing coming when iran falls to the west i gotta find.

zone

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Dear Messiah Watch International Visitor,

www.rabbiyess.com


Superficially it appears like a family dispute. Daddy Bush telling intransigent son Iran that he can’t play with dangerous toys. Let’s look deeper.


War involving America vs. Iran is discussed in Talmud Yoma p.10A. My mentor, Yakov, sent me this about this Yoma citation….


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[LOOK! what?? ......]

…which says that, Ben David [Judaism’s King Messiah] doesn't come until that the Parasiyim (Persians) will fall to the Romiyim (Romans or Edom [the Christian West]). It continues to say that if the time of the ketz [end] has been reached, never the less the Redemption will be delayed until the Persians fall into the hand of the Romans. It emphasizes that this delay is to be for 9 months, the length of the term of pregnancy which is also the length of time needed for Rome to become strong enough to conquer Persia.


It states that the gemarra [Talmud] questions the concept of the "builders" falling to the hands of the "destroyers" (meaning those who enabled the Holy Temple to be rebuilt, namely the Persians falling to the those who destroyed the Temple, namely the Romans) and that it is learned that this is a decree of the King [God]!

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Why have I now invested 3 hours into authoring this email? Because the world we live in is now well within the End of Days forecasted in Judaism’s Book of Prophets. Much of what you see and know about in this world cannot and chooses not to be elevated to Holiness. Self aggrandizement, unspeakable depravity, lust for dominance over others, lust to kill, lust to harm innocents now corrupts this Earth. All the political turmoil is focused on one thing and one thing only, namely, the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. That is where Judaism’s true and only King Messiah, Rabbi M. M. Schneerson, goes from “presumed to be” or “assuredly is” King Messiah to being “definitely” King Messiah for those who now mock the claims being made by his students around the world...myself being one.

Let me put this differently. This is a done deal. A horrific amount of people are going to die in natural disasters, wars, plagues, famines and the like. This present and imminent time frame we live in has been likened in Jewish Sacred Sources to the unbearable pain of childbirth. Nonetheless…a new life emerges thereafter. And that new life is solely where one should keep one’s focus. There is little one can do regarding what is to come… as all of these matters are God driven. Survival will come from intense trust in God alone. All else is indeed going to fail…quite literally.

More than most people realize…religion drives world politics. The three major world religions share a seemingly similar theme, namely, Messiah. Each religion presents its definition of Messiah differently. One of the three, Judaism, was the place of origin of this idea of a Final Redeemer. Specifically there are 3 passages from Torah, the Five Books of Moses, which birth this idea. Let’s go check this out because this Messiah topic is coming to a rapid boil geopolitically and will, in no uncertain terms, dramatically impact your personal life in ways you never even imagined possible.

1) Deuteronomy 30: 3-5

“And the Lord your G-d will bring back your captivity and have compassion upon you. He will return and gather you [from among all the nations].... Even if your dispersed ones are in the furthest reaches of the heavens, [from there will G-d gather you in].... G-d will bring you [to the land].…”

These explicit words of the Torah include all that was said [on the subject] by all the [Jewish] Prophets.

So the essential Messiah idea (in the above passage) relates to an ingathering of Jews to the Holy Land at some time in the future from the time frame of the giving of the Torah some 3,315 years ago.


The Talmud discusses this above passage and the question is asked whether this ingathering is done by God, Himself…or whether another agent is involved in making this happen. The answer to this question is found in Source #2...

2) Numbers 24: 17-18

Bilaam, the Gentile Prophet (as gifted with Prophesy and comparable thereby to Moses) prophesies about two [future] anointed [Jewish kings]: the first anointed [king] being King David, who saved Israel from her oppressors, and the final anointed [king], King Messiah, who will arise from amongst his [King David’s] descendants and save Israel [at the End of Days]. The following [quoted] phrases [red text] are from our Numbers 24: 17-18 passage written in couplet format. Bilaam is conveying what he sees via Prophecy to occur in the future.

"I see it, but not now" - This refers to King David;

"I perceive it, but not in the near future" - This refers to King Messiah.

"A star shall go forth from Jacob" - This refers to King David;

"and a staff shall arise in Israel" - This refers to King Messiah.

"He shall crush all of Moab's princes" - This refers to King David, (as it is written [II Samuel 8], "He smote Moab and measured them with a line");

"he shall break down all of Seth's descendants" - This refers to King Messiah, (about whom it is written [Zechariah 9], "He will rule from sea to sea").

"Edom will be demolished" - This refers to King David, (as it is written [Cf. II Samuel 8:6 and 8:14], "Edom became the servants of David");

"his enemy, Seir, will be destroyed" - This refers to King Messiah, (as it is written [Ovadiah 1], "Saviors will ascend Mount Zion [to judge the mountain of Esau....]").

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The ingathering of Jews to the Holy Land will occur not by God’s doing alone…but through the agency of a human Jewish King descended from the House of David. That is what the Jewish Sages extracted from Bilaam’s Prophecy.

I will briefly address Source #3:-

3) Deuteronomy 19:8-9

"When G-d will expand your borders... you shall add three more cities [of refuge]."

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The Jewish Sages teach on this # 3 King Messiah Torah passage that it removes any possible claim that the Final Redemption will be a matter which occurs in Heaven alone. The event, rather, will occur here on Earth.

So the summary message we get from our three Torah Sources above is this:-God promises that a total (literally every Jew on Earth) ingathering (of Jews to the Holy Land) will occur through the agency of a human Jewish King in this Earthly world.

For what purpose one should ask? To bring all mankind to Monotheism which is nothing less than the purpose for Creation.

Along comes Christianity which hijacks the definition of both Judaism’s God and King Messiah from Judaism’s Torah and repackages and sells it (quite successfully) to a gullible, Torah-ignorant world which is lead down the garden path into idolatry of a crucified Jew whom they imagine died to atone for their sins. An awakening is now afoot within Christianity that questions these lies of the Church and the New “Testament.” We are watching Christianity’s axioms implode from within, literally. See here:-

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/catholic-country-moviegoers-ignore-vatican-and-sell-out-da-vinci-code/

Well…if two Messiahs are good then how’s about three? Will the real King Messiah please stand up!

According to the Shiite version of Islam, the 12th descendant of prophet Mohammed, Mehdi or the “Lord of All Ages”, went into hiding when he was a child, some 1300 years ago. Shiites believe he will reappear again when the world has become full of oppression and tyranny.

So according to Kamal, Ahmadinejad's [Iran’s President] cabinet is looking for the supernatural return of the 12th Iman to help them deal with the U.S. For they actually believe in the spread of tyranny and oppression. They argue that if the “Lord of All Ages” is to reappear when the world is full of oppression and tyranny, then we [Islam] ought to help spread evil, tyranny and oppression in order to facilitate the coming of the 12th Imam, Mehdi [Islam’s “Messiah”.

We see from our 3rd (now Islamic) “Messiah” that the President of Iran is specifically driven to provoke a global nuclear holocaust to hasten their perverse definition of “Redemption.” One does not bring peace to the world by adding to its evil, tyranny and oppression intentionally. His premeditated provocations of “wiping Israel off the face of the map” and defying all UN efforts to stop Iran’s playing with nuclear weapons is driven by Islam’s Shiite King Messiah concept.

For every influx of actual Holiness there is a counterbalanced influx of Spiritual impurity. E.g. the giving of the Torah was negatively counterbalanced by the idolatry of the Golden Calf. Additionally, every entity in the realm of Holiness has its counterpart in the realm of spiritual impurity. That allows for free choice which is a must-have component of the structure of the universe.

So everybody in this world’s three major religions is waiting for the Messiah. Three Messiah definitions seemingly vie for global acceptance.

It dawned on me recently that my life has witnessed (and is witnessing) the two most significant events in Jewish and human history. That ingathering promise which God made in Torah Source #1 above began to manifest (early stages) in 1948 with the founding of the State of Israel now collapsing under a non-kosher government.

It won’t be President Bush, nor the next U.S. Presidents, nor the Delta Forces, the UN, nor the Israeli Armed Forces who will take care of the Islamic terrorists now poised, dedicated and able to humble America to its knees. That job is the job of Rabbi Schneerson who will be Empowered like no other Jew (nor any other leader of any prior world superpower empire) in the entire history of the world.

He will not need weapons. For the Holy Prayers of his lips will manifest God’s Plan for Creation. And those who mock or doubt what I say…literally won’t know what hit them.

Now for this summer’s hurricane forecast:-

"Last year we were looking at 12 to 15 storms and this year the forecast is for about 17. No one would go out on a limb and say it is going to be just as bad as last year, but the indications are there that it is still going to be another active season, almost twice as active as normal."

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060508/hurricanes_atlantic_060508/20060508?hub=Canada&s_name=

Rabbi Moshe Yess
http://www.rabbiyess.com/Iran.html

Noah Feldman, a contributing writer for the magazine, is a law professor at Harvard University and adjunct senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.

from NYTimes

July 22, 2007


Orthodox Paradox

By NOAH FELDMAN

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Fitting In

Since the birth of modern Orthodox Judaism in 19th-century Germany, a central goal of the movement has been to normalize the observance of traditional Jewish law — to make it possible to follow all 613 biblical commandments assiduously while still participating in the reality of the modern world. You must strive to be, as a poet of the time put it, “a Jew in the home and a man in the street.” Even as we students of the Maimonides School spent half of every school day immersed in what was unabashedly a medieval curriculum, our aim was to seem to outsiders — and to ourselves — like reasonable, mainstream people, not fanatics or cult members.

This ambition is best exemplified today by Senator Joe Lieberman. His run for the vice presidency in 2000 put the “modern” in modern Orthodox, demonstrating that an Orthodox Jewish candidate could be accepted by America at large as essentially a regular guy. (Some of this, of course, was simply the result of ignorance. As John Breaux, then a senator from Louisiana, so memorably put it with regard to Lieberman during the 2000 campaign, “I don’t think American voters care where a man goes to church on Sunday.”) Whatever concerns Lieberman’s Jewish identity may have raised in the heartland seem to have been moderated, rather than stoked, by the fact that his chosen Jewish denomination was Orthodox — that he seemed to really and truly believe in something. His Orthodoxy elicited none of the half-whispered attacks that Mitt Romney’s Mormonism has already prompted in this electoral cycle, none of the dark hints that it was, in some basic sense, weird.

Lieberman’s overt normalcy really is remarkable. Though modern Orthodox Jews do not typically wear the long beards, side curls and black, nostalgic Old World garments favored by the ultra-Orthodox, the men do wear beneath their clothes a small fringed prayer shawl every bit as outré as the sacred undergarments worn by Mormons. Morning prayers are accompanied by the daily donning of phylacteries, which, though painless, resemble in their leather-strappy way the cinched cilice worn by the initiates of Opus Dei and so lasciviously depicted in “The Da Vinci Code.” Food restrictions are tight: a committed modern Orthodox observer would not drink wine with non-Jews and would have trouble finding anything to eat in a nonkosher restaurant other than undressed cold greens (assuming, of course, that the salad was prepared with a kosher knife).

The dietary laws of kashrut are designed to differentiate and distance the observant person from the rest of the world. When followed precisely, as I learned growing up, they accomplish exactly that. Every bite requires categorization into permitted and prohibited, milk or meat. To follow these laws, to analyze each ingredient in each food that comes into your purview, is to construct the world in terms of the rules borne by those who keep kosher. The category of the unkosher comes unconsciously to apply not only to foods that fall outside the rules but also to the people who eat that food — which is to say, almost everyone in the world, whether Jewish or not. You cannot easily break bread with them, but that is not all. You cannot, in a deeper sense, participate with them in the common human activity of restoring the body through food.

And yet the Maimonides School, by juxtaposing traditional and secular curricula, gave me a feeling of being connected to the broader world. Line by line we burrowed into the old texts in their original Hebrew and Aramaic. The poetry of the Prophets sang in our ears. After years of this, I found I could recite the better part of the Hebrew Bible from memory. Among other things, this meant that when I encountered the writings of the Puritans who founded the Massachusetts Bay Colony, I felt immediate kinship. They read those same exact texts again and again — often in Hebrew — searching for clues about their own errand into the American wilderness.

In our literature classes we would glimpse Homer’s wine-dark sea, then move to a different classroom and dive headlong into the sea of the Talmud. Here the pleasure of legal-intellectual argument had no stopping place, no end. A problem in Talmud study is never answered, it is only deepened. The Bible prohibits work on the Sabbath. But what is work? The rabbis began with 39 categories, each of which called for its own classification into as many as 39 further subcategories. Then came the problem of intention: What state of mind is required for “work” to have occurred? You might perform an act of work absent-mindedly, having forgotten that it was the Sabbath, or ignorantly, not knowing that action constituted work. You might perform an action with the goal of achieving some permissible outcome — but that result might inevitably entail some prohibited work’s taking place. Learning this sort of reasoning as a child prepared me well, as it has countless others, for the ways of American law.

Beyond the complementarities of Jewish learning and secular knowledge, our remarkable teachers also offered access to a wider world. Even among the rabbis there was a smattering of Ph.D.’s and near-doctorates to give us a taste of a critical-academic approach to knowledge, not just a religious one. And the teachers of the secular subjects were fantastic. One of the best taught me eighth-grade English when he was barely out of college himself, before he became a poet, a professor and an important queer theorist. Given Orthodoxy’s condemnation of homosexuality, he must have made it onto the faculty through the sheer cluelessness of the administration. Lord only knows what teachers like him, visitors from the real world, made of our quirky ways. (In the book of poems about his teaching years, we students are decorously transformed into Italian-Americans.)

In allowing us, intentionally or not, to see the world and the Torah as profoundly interconnected, the school was faithful to the doctrines of its eponym, the great medieval Jewish legalist and philosopher Moses Maimonides. Easily the most extraordinary figure in post-biblical Jewish history, Maimonides taught that accurate knowledge of the world — physical and metaphysical — was, alongside studying, obeying and understanding the commandments, the one route to the ultimate summum bonum of knowing God. A life lived by these precepts can be both noble and beautiful, and I believe the best and wisest of my classmates and teachers come very close indeed to achieving it.

The Dynamics of Prohibition

For many of us, the consilience of faith and modernity that sometimes appears within the reach of modern Orthodoxy is a tantalizing prospect. But it can be undermined by the fragile fault lines between the moral substructures of the two worldviews, which can widen into deep ruptures on important matters of life and love.

One time at Maimonides a local physician — a well-known figure in the community who later died tragically young — addressed a school assembly on the topic of the challenges that a modern Orthodox professional may face. The doctor addressed the Talmudic dictum that the saving of a life trumps the Sabbath. He explained that in its purest form, this principle applies only to the life of a Jew. The rabbis of the Talmud, however, were unprepared to allow the life of a non-Jew to be extinguished because of the no-work commandment, and so they ruled that the Sabbath could be violated to save the life of a non-Jew out of concern for maintaining peaceful relations between the Jewish and non-Jewish communities.

Depending on how you look at it, this ruling is either an example of outrageously particularist religious thinking, because in principle it values Jewish life more than non-Jewish life, or an instance of laudable universalism, because in practice it treats all lives equally. The physician quite reasonably opted for the latter explanation. And he added that he himself would never distinguish Jewish from non-Jewish patients: a human being was a human being.

This appealing sentiment did not go unchallenged. One of my teachers rose to suggest that the doctor’s attitude was putting him in danger of violating the Torah. The teacher reported that he had himself heard from his own rabbi, a leading modern-Orthodox Talmudist associated with Yeshiva University, that in violating the Sabbath to treat a non-Jew, intention was absolutely crucial. If you intended to save the patient’s life so as to facilitate good relations between Jews and non-Jews, your actions were permissible. But if, to the contrary, you intended to save the patient out of universal morality, then you were in fact guilty of violating the Sabbath, because the motive for acting was not the motive on the basis of which the rabbis allowed the Sabbath violation to occur.

Later, in class, the teacher apologized to us students for what he said to the doctor. His comments, he said, were inappropriate — not because they were wrongheaded, but because non-Jews were present in the audience when he made them. The double standard of Jews and non-Jews, in other words, was for him truly irreducible: it was not just about noting that only Jewish lives merited violation of the Sabbath, but also about keeping the secret of why non-Jewish lives might be saved. To accept this version of the tradition would be to accept that the modern Orthodox project of engagement with the world could not proceed in good faith.

~snip~

Noah Feldman, a contributing writer for the magazine, is a law professor at Harvard University and adjunct senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/magazine/22yeshiva-t.html?ei=5087%0A&em=&en=4f9d372ba8aa7e8a&ex=1185336000&pagewanted=print

zone wrote:

War involving America vs. Iran is discussed in Talmud Yoma p.10A. My mentor, Yakov, sent me this about this Yoma citation….

…which says that, Ben David [Judaism’s King Messiah] doesn't come until that the Parasiyim (Persians) will fall to the Romiyim (Romans or Edom [the Christian West]). It continues to say that if the time of the ketz [end] has been reached, never the less the Redemption will be delayed until the Persians fall into the hand of the Romans. It emphasizes that this delay is to be for 9 months, the length of the term of pregnancy which is also the length of time needed for Rome to become strong enough to conquer Persia.

It states that the gemarra [Talmud] questions the concept of the "builders" falling to the hands of the "destroyers" (meaning those who enabled the Holy Temple to be rebuilt, namely the Persians falling to the those who destroyed the Temple, namely the Romans) and that it is learned that this is a decree of the King [God]!

Rabbi Moshe Yess
http://www.rabbiyess.com/Iran.html

just look at this insanity....

Monday, November 14, 2005


The Heavenly Court Cases Continue


As a response to someone's letter to me, I have decided to make it my next post until I have more time for lengthier posts. I have just completed setting up our new family LAN with the help of, believe it or not, Meturgaman who is one of my neighbors. Thanks a bunch to him for his knowledge of router technology. Here is my response to one of the readers:

You are correct as far as your analysis that the last great war with Edom comes from Persia (Iran). This is based on the Gemorrah in Yoma and the famous Gemorrah on the first Mishna in Avodah Zarah. Yet, even though the leaders of Iran may not be direct descendents of Yishmael, they are the leading nation at the End of Days under Yishmael's "sphere of influence". According to the Gaon of Vilna, 35 of the 70 nations are under Edom's "sphere" and 35 nations are under Yishmael's and the Bnei Ketura's "sphere of influence". Because the sin offering for the first, second, and fourth days of Sukkot is called Seir Izim, Yishmael and the children of Ketura are judged on those days. Because the sin offering for the third, fifth, sixth, and seventh day of Sukkot is called Seir, the 35 nations under Edom's sphere of influence are judged on those days. Do the math yourself. On the first, second, and fourth day of Sukkot 13, 12, and 10 bulls are offered up on those days for a total of 35 bulls representing the 35 nations under the influence of Yishmael and the Bnei' Ketura. On the remaining days 35 more bulls are offered up representing the 35 nations under Edom's dominance. At the End of Days Yishmael's principle nation is Iran and Edom's principle nation is Magog (which includes the United States, Canada, Eastern and Central Siberia, and modern Mongolia). The principle nation in this case of course is the USA.

Because this is the Second year of Sukkot, if Gog W. prosecutes the war this year, he will probably win, for in this year Yishmael is judged. If he delays the inevitable until next year, Iran will probably win, for in the third year of Sukkot, Edom is judged. The relative merits of both empires are weighed in the Gemorrah in Avodah Zarah and in Yoma. Edom's main merits are that he provides a high level of prosperity and markets to permit Jews under his sphere of influence leisure time to engage in the toil of Torah. Of course he does it for his own benefit, and he builds markets in order to pedal in sexual immorality. See the Gemorrah itself! Why would he rebuild New Orleans except to party. All other forms of commerce there can be performed in a city that exists above sea level. The only real puropose of rebuilding (Tzoar) aka New Orleans is to engage in sin. Of course with this argument Edom is thrown out of the Heavenly Throne Room in Avodah Zarah. Persia swaggers in claiming many things. He historically built bridges between the West and the Far East before commerce by sea became more economical. He conquered cities such as Fallujah, a.K.a. Pumpeditha in the Middle Ages so that Jews could study Torah there, so he claims. Of course at this time in history the one city that he wants to conquer more than any other city in the world is Yerushalayim for the sole purpose of making it Judenrein. So much for modern Persia's merit. Out of the Heavenly Court Room he makes a quick exit as he gets no reward for Israel's Torah Study.

Yet, until this day Persia has one great true merit that no other nation can claim. Under his benevolent authority during the reigns of Koresh and Daryavush (Darius) the Second Temple was started and completed respectively. Except for the notorious reign of Xerxes (Achashverosh), the Temple building project proceeded and was completed under Persian rule. No matter that Darius was Queen Esther's son, and therefore a Jew, and was destined to allow the completion of the heretofore greatest reconstruction project in history. There is a tremendous merit to providing the political stability and sanction to build G-d's Sanctuary. In contrast to Persia, Edom had the distinct curse to destroy the Temple that was built under Persian auspices. It is one of the reasons that the Gemorrah mentions that after Edom is seen running out of the Heavenly Courtroom, Persia has the legitimate audacity to think that maybe G-d will be more favorably disposed towards it. By the way the other reason the Gemorrah in Avodah Zarah mentions Persia without mentioning the the other 70 nations coming into Court to retrieve their reward is that none of these other nations are around to try to retrieve their reward when Mashiach comes. The Gemorah plainly indicates that the last two gentile nations in the boxing ring for world dominance at the End of Days are Edom and Persia.

At this juncture in history Persia would like to reverse all of its great merit through total annihilation of Israel. Edom seems predisposed to simply dividing the Holy Land in two. Their historic roles are now reversed. Persia, our greatest historical benefactor is now our most implacable foe. Edom now wants to share half of the Holy City with us. Of course he wants to keep the holier half for his international capital, but at least he won't close down Ben Yehudah Mall, and Jews will continue to live in their ghettos within the 1949 armistice lines. Whether Jews get to continue to live in Pisgat Ze'ev and Ma'aleh Adumim, it depends on whom you talk to, Gog W. or Tony Blair. One thing they agree on is that Jews will forever be praying at the base of those Herodian stones which make up the Western retaining wall to the Temple Mount. And a Palestinian Capital (read international presence) will perpetually exist stretching from Ramallah to the Temple Mount. Ayn Yichud b'Rishut. There is only true unity in G-dliness. These Titans of the ancient world are bound to duke it out. Whether it is this year or in 5767, the entire world is waiting to see whom the Creator has decided who will win.
http://yearsofawe.blogspot.com/2005/11/heavenly-court-cases-continue.html

Heres the British Israel take on it:

The Sages of Judah: the Terror of the Persian Iran and its demise by Edom